Talk:Maria Thorpe/Archive 1

In the strange way that karma and reincarnation work, maybe Lucy is a descendent of Maria ;) Maskim xul 02:42, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

It could very well be possible, good thinking. --Hells Angel 02:24, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

she couldn't be a ansestor of lucy becuese maria was a templar Theresa The Seer 23:55, 15 July 2009 (UTC)Theresa The Seer

I believe that she may actually be Desmond's ancestor and will get with Altair in blood lines. I know that sounds like fan matchmaking but if you think about it Blood lines is supposed to explain the blood links between Altair and his descendants and Maria is supposed to appear in blood lines and is hinted to have a big part in the story. Sounds like a good story to me.

Lastname

We have any sources for the surname listed in the article? -- D. Cello 21:13, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering WHERE the last name is mentioned? -- Beirut

Well, seeing as no one is replying, could you make a move back to Maria, D. Cello? Master Sima Yi 08:19, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, it seems we have a possible source. At PSP, Maria's sword is called Maria Thorpe's Sword or something like that. -- D. Cello 21:42, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Well, that seems good enough. Well, I'm afraid you have to make a move back then, no? Master Sima Yi 16:29, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

If this page is renamed to Maria Thorpe then shouldn't we have a disambiguation page for "Maria", with links to both this Maria and Ezio's mother Maria? -- BADavid 21:13, January 1, 2010 (GMT)

Yeah, you're right. We should. - Master Sima Yi 06:35, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Connection to Robert

I think we still have to settle what exactly her connection is to Robert. I read in Altaïr's profile, with his personality, that she is his daughter. The character is based on the actual Robert De Sable's daughter, however why would he give his own daughter a ring? That doesn't sound like a father's love to me... Altaïr 2:39, Februari 19, 2010 (UTC)

I agree her relationship to Robert is unclear, with Bloodlines mentioning her as "Robert de Sable's girl" but I assume the relationship is more a close student/teacher when she mentioned the ring was a gift when Robert "took [her] under his wing." The last name Thorpe is a Norse last name where de Sable is more French, so it's likely they're not blood related.PassiveNeoluna 03:03, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if the source was official and I can't remember where it was from. It could be from this Wiki, but it said something that she had a failed marriage and escaped to the Middle East, though that does not reveal much of her relationship with Robert. I always thought before I knew she was based on De Sable's daughter, that they were lovers, considering the ring, and if you look at their facial features, they don't seem to be that different in age either Altaïr Februari 19, 2010 (UTC)

I heard the source was from the statagy guide of the first game, but I'm not entirely sure. If it's there, is should typed on her page.PassiveNeoluna 06:43, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

I have the strategy guide in my possession. I'll take a look and see if the source is official. Then we can add this to this page perhaps. Altaïr Februari 19, 2010 (UTC)

There is indeed a profile of Maria in the strategy guide, in short she was a tomboy, parents couldn't get her to be lady, she married, but her wanderlust being too strong and she fled England discracing herself. At first she disguised her true gender, but she grew stronger, attracting the attention of Robert. He discovered her true gender, but did not care. It says she does not share the same beliefs as him. However she'll do anything for him, including dying. The strategy guide does not suggest any connection however as his daughter or lover. She is labelled as his steward but nothing more.

Then he was probably admired by her and made her his student? -- D. Cello 16:25, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Well I'll type out the full thing from the strategy guide, so it might be more clear what went on between the two:

"Maria always dreamed of being a knight. A tomboy as a child, she was often ridiculed by other children and punished by her parents for refusing to "be a lady". She dreamed of leaving England for Jerusalem. -and winning honor and glory alongside the Crusaders. Alas, her parents forced her to marry and these dreams were crushed. After little more than a year, her wanderlust had grown to be unmanageable, and she fled England (disgracing herself) to sail for the Holy Land. She disguised herself as a man and rose to prominence amongst the Crusaders, eventually attracting the attention of Robert de Sable. He quickly discovered her true gender... but didn't care. Though she does not share his beliefs, he gives her the opportunity to be who she is. He accepts her. She'll do anything for him, including dying for him and his cause if she must. Maria is serious and severe in her thoughts, words, and actions."

I've posted like a short version based on this description in her profile for her 'early life. So she is definately not his daughter. But in the second game it is said that she received a ring. However I don't think reasons were given why. So it is either for romantic reasons or as some reward. There is some additional information which is more about her personality. Factions says, "Robert's Steward, Knights Templar". Also in Robert's profile in the strategy guide, it doesn't mention nothing at all about Maria, which would suggest that other than a professional relationship, there was nothing between them.