Talk:Liberalis Circulum
Move to Liberalis Circulum
Since we have all the Templar and Assassin branches at their official names, such as "Chinese Brotherhood of Assassins" or "West Indies Brotherhood of Assassins" or "Ottoman Brotherhood of Assassins, shouldn't we also have this page at its official name? There is an Italian Brotherhood of Assassins, but the one of the Roman times is a distinct branch and also predates the development of Assassin Guilds by Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad. Thus, its official name here is Liberalis Circulum, even if it's not in the same format as the official names of he later guilds, it's still its official name and therefore it would be consistent to have this page moved to Liberalis Circulum even if it's a foreign word. The Essential Guide doesn't confirm if it was also known as the Roman Brotherhood even though the Egyptian Brotherhood of Assassins and the Persian Brotherhood of Assassins bore those names (perhaps applied by modern Assassins retroactively). Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 18:00, February 14, 2017 (UTC)
- I suppose for the sake of consistency it would be preferable to call them the Roman Brotherhood of Assassins. If it helps, the statue of Leonius in Assassin's Creed II explicitly identifies him as a "Roman Assassin". The Wikia Editor (talk) 01:32, February 19, 2017 (UTC)
- I would actually disagree with calling them the Roman Brotherhood of Assassins because not only is that not confirmed to have been one of their official names, but we also know their official name to be Liberalis Circulum. In fact, as far as I know, they didn't go by the name "Assassin" themselves at the time, though I'm sure later Assassins applied that name retroactively to them. I think the only issue with using Liberalis Circulum is that the name is in Latin. I personally would prefer using the English translation "Circle of Liberals", but as a translation, it might not be an ideal choice. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 01:18, February 19, 2017 (UTC)
- I agree that they probably didn't call themselves Assassins, as the word itself did not even exist at the time. We do, however, know that the term was used by modern Assassins to refer to them as such. I don't really have a problem with the name being in Latin, we use untranslated names when it is appropriate (e.g. Château Clique) and this would be such a case. Another thing I just thought about is the possibility that the Liberalis Circulum was merely a public front for the Roman Assassins, or at least a faction within their group. Pretty much how the Narodnaya Volya was a faction of the Russian Brotherhood. The Wikia Editor (talk) 02:39, February 19, 2017 (UTC)
- Hm, the page has just been moved to Roman Brotherhood of Assassins. This is really uncomfortable for me, as this will now mean that we would have to add a "conjectural name" tag when it has a canonically verified name (Liberalis Circulum). Actually come to think of it, perhaps we should've already added that tag even with "Roman Assassins". Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 15:54, March 1, 2017 (UTC)
- Technically, "Roman Assassins" is not a conjectural name because the members of this group were indeed referred to as such by modern Assassins. They were also indirectly referred to as the Roman Brotherhood in the Assassin Brotherhood database entry in Syndicate. I guess it's a matter of whether we want to be consistent with the naming scheme of the other Brotherhoods. The Wikia Editor (talk) 17:38, March 1, 2017 (UTC)
- Hm, the page has just been moved to Roman Brotherhood of Assassins. This is really uncomfortable for me, as this will now mean that we would have to add a "conjectural name" tag when it has a canonically verified name (Liberalis Circulum). Actually come to think of it, perhaps we should've already added that tag even with "Roman Assassins". Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 15:54, March 1, 2017 (UTC)
- I agree that they probably didn't call themselves Assassins, as the word itself did not even exist at the time. We do, however, know that the term was used by modern Assassins to refer to them as such. I don't really have a problem with the name being in Latin, we use untranslated names when it is appropriate (e.g. Château Clique) and this would be such a case. Another thing I just thought about is the possibility that the Liberalis Circulum was merely a public front for the Roman Assassins, or at least a faction within their group. Pretty much how the Narodnaya Volya was a faction of the Russian Brotherhood. The Wikia Editor (talk) 02:39, February 19, 2017 (UTC)
- I would actually disagree with calling them the Roman Brotherhood of Assassins because not only is that not confirmed to have been one of their official names, but we also know their official name to be Liberalis Circulum. In fact, as far as I know, they didn't go by the name "Assassin" themselves at the time, though I'm sure later Assassins applied that name retroactively to them. I think the only issue with using Liberalis Circulum is that the name is in Latin. I personally would prefer using the English translation "Circle of Liberals", but as a translation, it might not be an ideal choice. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 01:18, February 19, 2017 (UTC)