User talk:SeichanGrey

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Image licenses

Hello SeichanGrey,
As I understand it, per the Licensing Policy by FANDOM, the domain that hosts this site and countless others, all user edits of images or text constitute CC-BY-SA contributions. Any page on a Fandom-hosted wiki will display the message "Community content is available under CC-BY-SA unless otherwise noted." across the bottom of every page as a footer. This site's own Licensing policy follows similar suit on the reasoning that "By default, Ubisoft allow images from their IPs to be used without question, so long as proper attribution is given." I admit that licenses are not a topic I am well versed in, so I will have missed important details that another user may better explain underneath this reply.

Aside from this, I feel that you need not have copy/pasted what is in effect the same message on my, Lady Kyashira's, and Sol Pacificus' talk pages. Not all of us are online at all hours. One of us would have replied when we saw your message or had time, and it is generally considered bad form to duplicate messages without reason just because you have not yet seen response(s). – Darman (talk) 01:25, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Just to clarify on this, uploaded files (like images) don't really become part of the wiki's CC-BY-SA license after being uploaded to the wiki. The Licensing Policy does indicate that edited content becomes part of it, but there's a section there for Non-Text Files that explains this:

Non-text media on Fandom should not be assumed to be available under the same license as the text. Please view the media description page for details about the license of any specific media file.

If you are uploading files to Fandom, you should cite the source of the file, attribute the authors, and note any copyright information, where applicable. Individual communities may elaborate upon and refine requirements for file uploads.

If there are any files that have been switched to CC-BY-SA after having another license prior, then those could have the wrong licensing information, which might cause some problems with the creators/lincense holders - basically, a wiki can't change a file's original license just by using it (otherwise, everyone would do it :P). So unless there's a source indicating the image was CC-BY-SA before - or there's an understanding from Ubi that they're used by CC-BY-SA - images such as this one for instance could have the wrong licensing info. –ReverieCode <staff/> 08:37, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello ReverieCode,
Thank you for clarifying this, I knew I was missing important information and was unaware how detailed Fandom's policy was, as I had not read it thoroughly. Does this mean, though, that the nearly 12,000 images on this site tagged with CC-BY-SA are all incorrect and should be using {{Fairuse}} or {{Permission}} instead? – Darman (talk) 23:40, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I'm checking with staff and that seems to be the case. I will raise this on the Discord server as well so that the admins/mods are aware - it's likely that most need to be using {{Fairuse}} and other templates like {{Permission}} would need to be added to any images where people know they've gotten permission to use them. It's a bit of a mess currently, but I'm sure it can be sorted :P –ReverieCode <staff/> 08:49, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I volunteer to edit all 12000 files. SeichanGrey (talk) 14:29, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

...OK, we have a very big mess to clean. Ouch. Just to try and limit errors going forward correcting this, where would CC-BY-SA apply? I've been told that is for any image where it has been altered from the original, correct? Because among those 12K images are a number of files that are comic panels clipped from the digital issue's full page layout, as well as renders based on screenshots or said panels. – Darman (talk) 13:00, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

So, basically, CC-BY-SA would only apply if the image being used is explicitly stated to be CC-BY-SA before being uploaded here. If you're sourcing them from an official website, and it says "these images are CC-BY-SA", then you would need to indicate them to have that license and attribute to where they're coming from. (Same as if you were to copy a wiki's text into another website - that is CC-BY-SA according to Fandom, so you'd need to indicate this, and link to the original page where it was written first, for instance.)

Fair use tends to be the default used option in the majority of cases, as the images used are just sourced from original games, comics and other media - those images belong to the original copyright holder, but are being used purely for illustrative purposes on a wiki. It's a good "default" to start from, but if any specific groups of images need to be switched later on, bots could always help with that again.

(As for the question asked on my talk page - regarding Wook's Comicpanel template - how the licensing information is displayed is up to each wiki's community/admins. I personally think it's a really good idea to have specific templates for certain media (game, comics, etc.) that go more in depth like that, as it probably helps with specifying how fair use is intended to be used on the wiki, but admins aren't forced to have that same description everywhere - there's some freedom to choose how the licensing templates look as long as the main info is there.) –ReverieCode <staff/> 14:48, 8 May 2023 (UTC)