Talk:Precursor box

Embers

This is the same box that Ezio gave Shao Jun? Spanish assassin (Talk) 18:14, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

Yes. It's also the same one Adewale intercepted in Freedom Cry and gave to Bastienne. Apparently it remained in Port-au-Prince until the earthquake. I bet any money the AC Chronicles: China game will explain how the box went from China to Haiti. --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ ^{Walkie-talkie} 18:31, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

Pandora's Box

Since all of the artifacts have been based of ancient legends and myths is it possible that the Box is supposed to be Pandora's Box? —unsigned comment by AndyC89 (talk · contr)

Size

It couldn't be the same box, the size is obviously different, and in the war letters (Family Vacation) it saids that the Templars took it. I saw this picture on how it is used and it opens very differently then a normal box. Shao was going to open it like a normal box but Ezio stopped her Redlotusassassin16 (talk) 22:58, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

As I told you on YouTube, please read the war letter, properly.

"I was unable to find any Precursor sites in the Orient. However, I believe I may have picked up the trail of an artefact thought lost for centuries. The Assassin known as Shao Jun possessed a type of Precursor box, rumoured to contain a strange power. The box remained in China for about a hundred years after her death. I believe that the Assassins secreted the artefact out of China via the Manila Galleons bound for Acapulco.

It will probably be found in the West Indies somewhere. That will be a difficult part of the world for us to infiltrate, as it has been firmly under the control of the Assassins since the murder of Grand Master Torres.

Perhaps if we were to provoke the rivalry between the many European empires, we could search for it under the cover of war?"

It's not different in size at all, and who says it can't be opened like a normal box? Ignoring that, Jun was planning to open it like a normal box but that doesn't mean she would have been able to. This war letter confirms they are one and the same, and the war letter mentioning that it wound up in the West Indies leads directly into Freedom Cry, where the box makes another appearance. You mention that the Templars took the box... and you take the box back from the Templars when you play as Shay during the first sequences of Rogue. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 23:05, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

No difference, hahaha. "As I told you on Youtube"?, I don't know who you are lol. No disrespect but it's silly to think that, Shay can barelly holding it with one hand, and Ezio can hold with one hand. I'm watching Embers and Rogue side by side, It's completely different. I wasn't mentioning that War Letter was I, I mention that they aren't the same, and they said they "believed" they got it, it doesn't mean they have it. Redlotusassassin16 (talk) 23:19, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

You literally said "war letters" there. And you got into a discussion with me about the Precursor box and one of your theory videos that resulted in your insulting me and putting on an all-together poor attitude. I told you there that I was the head of the wiki, but I'll assume your "I'm done talking with you" response made you miss that. Don't start displaying the same kind of attitude here.

You're right about the size being changed for Rogue, that wasn't the case for Freedom Cry. Design changes happen all the time. But saying they're not the same because of that? That would be like arguing that the Apple of Eden from the first game isn't the same one as the one Altaïr had in Revelations because the first Apple was silver and not gold. A design change has zero relevance in regards to it being the same object. There's a very obvious reason they put that war letter in there, and that reason is not to fool everyone into thinking they're the same box, for no reason. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 23:35, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

it's obvious that there is not 1 POE, right? There are a lot of Apples and Swords etc. What if it's the same for the box, they are designed different but do the same thing, or the abilites are different and they called called something else from TWCB Redlotusassassin16 (talk) 23:41, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

~Speculation~

Seriously, you're overcomplicating things. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 23:42, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe there are multiple boxes, but so far the existence of multiple of them has not been alluded to so it's not right to assume that's the case. The "The Manila Galleons" war letter backs that up, and confirms Jun's box is the same one that wound up in the West Indies, then in the possession of a French Templar, then Adéwalé, and later François Mackandal, from whom it was stolen by Lawrence Washington only to again be stolen by Shay Cormac. There's no reason to assume it's a different box when the writers are going out of their way to tell us they're the same. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 23:44, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

"attitude"? How? I'm just disagreeing with you, how is that attitude? I see it, I'm out of here, ignored! Redlotusassassin16 (talk) 23:59, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

Please read what I said correctly. You misinterpret my message and then ragequit. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 00:02, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not rage quiting. metaphorically walking away. and I do not remember you at all. Lots of people come to me in a disrespectful manner and that makes me mad, humans get mad, simple as that. —unsigned comment by Redlotusassassin16 (talk · contr)

If you want I can look up these 'disrespectul' messages I sent you, but I'm sure you'll find they were as civil as they come. However, I would have no problem doing that on your talk page, as I would prefer this talk page stay on-topic. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 00:13, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

You are seriously going to waste your time on that, do what you will do, I'm not coming back this page. Ignoring, and ignoring. Have a nice life who ever you are. —unsigned comment by Redlotusassassin16 (talk · contr)

It looks like @relotusassassin16 was right about the boxes76.2.2.119 01:35, November 13, 2015 (UTC)

Considering Richard Farrese said that the boxes in Freedom Cry and Rogue are supposed to be the same, no. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 08:36, November 13, 2015 (UTC)

So you are wrong, there are 2 boxes, the one from FC and Rogue are different from Shao's box 76.2.7.8 16:39, November 13, 2015 (UTC)

Nobody denied the fact that there might be multiple boxes, but up until Farrese's statements there was nothing to indicate there were multiple boxes. Even now when he says the boxes from Freedom Cry and Rogue are the same (when the Rogue design is the one that's different from all other boxes) any prior reasoning to that doesn't support it. If Farrese is right, then there are multiple boxes, but he seemed to be unsure of what he was saying. And please act a little more mature; just coming here to get people to say you're right isn't the best of behaviour. This is a wiki, not a primary school competition. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 16:50, November 13, 2015 (UTC)

Instead u can say"@redlotusassassin Sorry I was wrong and you were right about the box" instead of ignoring the fact that your ignorace and immaturity got the best of you based on the conversation above, and the ones below of indenial. Not saying redlotusassassin16 wasn;t a douche cause he was but you were one also.76.2.7.8 17:58, November 13, 2015 (UTC)

Napoleon, the box and the manuscript

Apparently, Napoleon hid a lot more than a silver key in his suitcase. I know it's still speculation but that'd be quite the coincidence, since Arno laid his eyes on what his father was killed for.

TOULOIR, membre du Conseil parisien (discussion) 01:50, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Yep, we actually added that Info sometime ago, i mean, they are similar to the actual Manuscript and Box, but, i asked Jeffrey Yohalem (Lead Writer of Dead Kings, and now Syndicate) about it, and he said that they were not the actual Pieces. It was kinda suspicious because he was... evading those questions and when he finally answered that the Box was just a normal box, it looked like he was inventing everything he said. Oh, and he never answered about the Manuscript. So, as far as we know... he might be lying or telling the truth, but officialy, we cant put that info in the Wikia, Thanks for reading. DipsonDP (talk) 03:15, August 11, 2015 (UTC) 

Not only one

Hi!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aNOdYDnogk Richard Farrese confirming that there is not only one Box. DipsonDP (talk) 20:56, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

Fantastic. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 21:07, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

Not only that, he says that the China Box is a different one. Also, that we will learn more about the Boxes SOON and we will learn the ACTUAL location of one of the Box (He didn't specified if it was about the Box that Abstergo has in Rotterdam, or another one) DipsonDP (talk) 21:23, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

Could you include the specific point in the podcast they talk about this? I really don't have two hours to search through. Stormbeast ♉ ^{The Helpful Place} 21:30, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

The video description gives timestamps for the subjects discussed. You'll want to look around 50:00 when the boxes come up. It becomes very frustrating to listen to imo, I feel like they're really losing their grip on the narrative. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 21:33, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

The Box is returning in the AC 2016 game- DipsonDP (talk) 21:34, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

They didn't even need to make it that complicated. So far, the story fits well enough with just one box.--Bovkaffe (talk) 23:11, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

I don't really want to complain about this but they did a mighty fine job of making this clear with the "The Manila Galleons" war letter in Rogue and continuously referring to it as a singular Precorsor Box. This really feels like something they've just made up. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 06:27, September 19, 2015 (UTC)

And actually, the Rogue's Box (That is supposed to be the Freedom Cry one) has a completely new designe, while the Freedom Cry one is identical to the Embers one. So that might mean that Farrese made a mistake (He clarified that he wasn't sure about which Box was the same and which was a different one, that could explain the Manila Galleons thing, eventhough that means Mackandal's Box is a different one.). What a mess... oh, and the "Not-Box" of Dead Kings, is identical to Rogue's one. Maybe Jeffrey lied to keep what Farrese just revealed (The Boxes and the Box relation with the 2016 AC)  I hope it turns out the way i said, just make things clearer. DipsonDP (talk) 17:11, September 19, 2015 (UTC) 

So, if there's multiple boxes, should this article be split, or should we wait for there to be more information about which box being which? -- Zero-ELEC (talk) 15:38, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

I say wait for more information, and even then, I would prefer keeping it all in one article under the name "Precursor boxes". -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 16:06, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

As can clearly be seen in these two images, the boxes seen in Freedom Cry and Rogue are different. On top of this, the "Manila Galleons" letter reads as such: "It will probably be found in the West Indies somewhere", to me that indicates the possibility of more than one box being in the area, and the assumption some have made that the boxes are one and the same is erroneous. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 08:07, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

Farrese said that the boxes from Freedom Cry and Rogue are the same while the one from Embers is different, so if we're going by what he says this is a moot point. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 18:46, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

I don't know who this Farrese is, but I'm going by the evidence in the games themselves. In-game, the box Shay handles is clearly different from the one Adéwalé possessed (which clearly resembles, but could easily be different to the one Ezio possessed). The Manila Galleons letter does not, in my opinion, prove that the two (possibly three) boxes are the same device. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 19:32, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

Richard Farrese was the lead writer of Assassin's Creed: Rogue. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 19:37, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

Also the person who started this whole "there are multiple boxes" thing, as mentioned above. If we're going by evidence in the games themselves then there aren't any facts saying there are multiple boxes. In fact I think in both conversations and war letters in Rogue it's indicated that the box Adéwalé obtained wound up in Mackandal's hands, to later be stolen by Lawrence Washington. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 19:42, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

The appearance isn't necessarily relevant. Altaïr's Apple of Eden changed appearance in Revelations.--Bovkaffe (talk) 19:46, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

I remember Farrese saying he wasn´t sure about the Boxes, he could had made a mistake, thinking FC and Embers's one were the same. And about the appearance, Altair's Apple barely changed, while the differences between FC and Rogue are too noticeable to be the same. Plus, in Chronicles China the Box has the same appearance as in FC, demostrating the change was intentional. DipsonDP (talk) 01:15, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

I highly they were supposed to be different, considering how dialogue in the game refers to the one in Rogue and Freedom Cry being the same.--Bovkaffe (talk) 06:58, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

As mentioned by Dipson, the change in appearance for Altaïr's Apple's was miniscule, and was most likely done simply to mirror graphical changes (improvements) made since the first game's release; it just looks 'more shiny'. The boxes, however, are completely different shapes, and open in completely different ways. Farrese may well be the lead writer for the game, but we should go by what’s in the game itself (especially when said writer later states that he cannot be sure, and could have been mistaken).

IMO, the boxes are too different for us to consider them the same; we had this same discussion about the Staves of Eden with the release of The Fall. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 08:15, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

If we're going by the games themselves, then we're following what is said in mission dialogue, that the Rogue box is the same one Adéwalé retrieved. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 14:00, October 24, 2015 (UTC)