Talk:Malik Al-Sayf

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Descendant

Anybody else thinks that Malik may be an ancestor of Lucy? I mean it is possible, remember the writing on the wall there were two symbols that pointed out that history repeats itself, the Mandelbrot Set and the Lorenz Attractor. Here's a quote from the Lucy Stillman page.

"We have the Mandlebrot Set - an example of set theory and the repeating overall patterns of history."

I think the Mandelbrot Set represents that all the characters in Modern Times are just new versions of the same characters in the Third Crusade, remember, history repeats itself.

Anyway, continue the discussion so we can get some input.

Even if it does make sense, there's absolutelly nothing right now that points that direction. Therefore I think we can keep it on the article, but only as a possibility and as such should be moved to the "Trivia" section. -- D. Cello 04:05, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

I personally don't think that Malik may be related to Lucy. I think him being related to Antonio is more logical seeing as both have similar roles in the games. Aiding the game's protagonist as well as being the protagonist's friend. Also, their voices are a bit similar... - Master Sima Yi 11:39, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

It's far fetched. I mean she looks like Maria as well.

I have never played AC2 but I always beleived that we can trace Lucy's ancestry back to Malik. Desmond is the descendant of Altair, Vidic is the descendant of Al Mualim, it'd be unfair if Malik is not present! By the way modern day DNA studies shows that a Y-chromosomal lineage with patterns suggesting that it originated from Mongolia circa 1000 years ago can now be found in 8% of the men in parts of Europe. These European men do not look Asiatic at all, yet they have Mongol ancestors. It’s possible that anyone today had an ancestor in any other place. If you are into genealogy then you might see what I mean. Roam 07:28, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Where did you get that Al Mualim is Vidic's ancestor? That wasn't in game. AgentValentine 07:56, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

That's just a fandom theory spreaded like that bloody Feudal Japan setting... -- D. Cello 17:19, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Name

Where is it said his name is Malik Al-Sayf? If this is true, the page could be moved to that, no? Master Sima Yi 11:41, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

"Malik" means "owner" so the name "Owner of the Sword" makes sense I guess. Cyberaltair 14:16, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

No changes will be made unless a verifiable source is given. Period. We already had the "Maria Thorpe" thing and it was enough. I wanna check and recheck those surnames to make sure it isn't fandom. -- D. Cello 02:50, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Malik means "King" or "Ruler".

Your honorable servant,

-Beirut

His last name ias a-sayf, it saasys in the credits.

Smiliey 08:58, January 22, 2010 (UTC)smiliey

Asked a friend who is of Arabic descent and he told me that Al-Sayf is actually a common surname where A-Sayf is not.

Someone put A-Sayf? I totally didn't notice. Good spot. 68.48.225.39 14:48, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that's nice and all, but he clearly appears as Malik A-Sayf in the credits, not Al-Sayf. And this wiki is about a game, not real surnames. Could a mod move it back? -- Master Sima Yi 13:30, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Done. Not only the credits say that, but IMDB confirms it. -- D. Cello 14:57, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

IMDB information comes from the credits and it most likely is just a typo or a mistake. The word"A-Sayf" is completely senseless and meaningless. In Arabic "Al" is just a prefix; notice the words that come from Arabic: "Alcohol" or "Algebra". Even "Altair" has this prefix; since "tair" itself means bird or something that flies. Same thing with Al-Mualim (mualim means teacher/master). It's common for many people who hail from Arab-speaking regions to have the “Al-“ attached to their last names. I know "it's just a game", but I still believe it is meant to be "Al-Sayf" which means "Summer". "A-Sayf" however does NOT mean summer. Roam 07:51, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

At least this issue needs to be addressed in the article.

Then add a trivia note stating that the common surname is Al-Sayf, but maybe due to a typo mistake or creative liberty from Ubisoft the name in the game credits is stayed as A-Sayf. Simple. -- D. Cello 17:21, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

I need to emphasis that A-Sayf does NOT mean summer. Al-Sayf means summer, and is written الصيف . There is an error in the article. Roam 08:04, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, we believe you, you can remove it. =]
There's any possible meaning for A-Sayf? -- D. Cello 14:11, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

No Missing finger?

I like to talk about this. Though at the time when the first game was made, there was another possible reason, why Altaïr's finger was missing. It was said he removed it himself to prove his loyalty to the Creed and had no functionality to use the Hidden Blade at all. I'd like to hear from others to consult about this. It's just more as trivia to post, rather as fact, cause later we know that the finger was removed for the Hidden Blade, but at the development of the first game, I have my doubts if it was actually an error that Malik still has all his fingers. Altaïr February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Age

How old is Malik exactly? PassiveNeoluna 23:20, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found out. PassiveNeoluna 23:58, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Err... do you have a source? Not just AC1 game, somethingo more specific like "Assassin's Creed - Memory Sequence 3" or whatever? Sry, it's wiki policy. -- D. Cello 15:54, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

• I checked the strategy guide myself and it indeed states he's 26. Hope that helps. Altaïr 17:08, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
• Sorry for not mentioning where I found the info PassiveNeoluna 21:04, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Added sources for everything in the article. -- D. Cello 23:37, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

• Sorry, I thought the notes and references always go at the bottom at the article. -- Altaïr 01:43, March 14, 2010 (UTC)