Talk:Jesus of Nazareth

There is no evidence Jesus ever lived, or is it? If not, the template stating this is wrong.Flying sheep 17:31, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Jesus is a fact, either you agree with it or not. Some people believes it existed, some people believe it don't, but the character sure is real. Please refrain from those high-religious discussions since it causes unnecessary turmoil in peaceful waters. -- D. Cello 17:14, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

you stumbled here: either something is fact, or “you agree with it or not”. so if some believe in it and some not and there is no evidence for both “this page is about a real/historical person” is a wrong statement and should be changed to “this page is about a person whose existence is believed in, but not proved” or something. that’s not religious. it’s religious to think something’s a fact, no matter it’s proved or not. ‒ Flying sheep 17:31, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

The guy exists, either in our world or in people's minds. Except for atheists and other religions extremists, Christ is mostly regarded to have been a real person. But to keep it in the AC universe, Al Mualim says he existed, so he's real. -- D. Cello 03:53, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

if he is, i want a source: i heard about documents proving his existence, but i don’t know if they exist. and stuff existing in people’s minds and nowhere else is mostly regarded to be delusion. ‒ Flying sheep 16:22, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Join a archeological expedition, then. Use your lifetime to search the Middle-East for proof of his existence. To this wiki (and me, per therefore, since my personal oppinions won't interfere with my wikiduties) only two things matter: Our timetable counts year as AC and BC, Anno Dommini and what not, with the 0 year being Jesus' birth. And Al Mualim says he was just a carpenter who used a PoE, so he was real. -- D. Cello 19:48, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

i am sure many people more interested in jesus than me wasted their lifes searching for his remains/stuff. and this is neither about the in-game world nor about some ancient tradition, i’m talking only about the sentence “This page describes a person, place, thing or event that exists (or existed) in real life.”. ‒ Flying sheep 22:07, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Umm.. if were being that specific and direct, we have no absolute evidence that machiavelli was real, or that da Vinci was real, (anyone could have painted those paintings), or that Pope Alexander VI was real, or King Richard either since they arent alive now, and cameras werent invented to document their existince. no has any photos or video of their lives or even their corpses. the only proof we have of the life of any historical figure before thomas edison and the camera is WRITTEN DOCUMENTS passed down by historians. one such document was the BIBLE, (i assume you arent denying that the bible is a historic document) and if we are to put that into question than whats to stop me from saying that poeple only BELIEVE that De Medici exists because of works such as The Prince and historical ledgers. Now who's to say if the accuracy of these records can be trusted? maybe The Prince was a forgery? the point is the bible is just as much historic record as any other document that ever existed. CarloGrimaldi 23:03, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

well, i know fantasy books containing more facts than the bible. it’s a historical novel at best. ‒ Flying sheep 23:19, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

This is a public wiki, and comments like that are offensive. but nonetheless, no matter how factual you determine the records to be, they are still records. and your religious opinion has no influence on our templates. sorry, but if you would like to debate religion, youll have to go elsewhere CarloGrimaldi 23:25, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, we have members of all religions in this wiki. If just the fact that a tempalte says that Jesus existed bothers you, imagine what your comments about the bible being a fantasy means to religious people. As I said before, "refrain from those high-religious discussions since it causes unnecessary turmoil in peaceful waters."
Religion and/or political discussions are not tolerated here, and I'll have to take a measure if this continues for more than a day. Warning One, and it won't have a second. -- D. Cello 03:12, June 7, 2010 (UTC)