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Jack the Ripper Identity Theory in AC: S

Here's a crazy thought but; people have been comparing Jack the Ripper and Jacob together, thinking they're the same person because of their outfit, their build, the lack of Jacob in the trailer and the fact that Jack the Ripper's voice sounds like an older version of Jacob's but what if it isn't him? What if it's a different Frye; say, Ethan Frye, the father of Evie and Jacob? He could have used a Piece of Eden to make him younger and because of it's power it turned him mad. It's strange, but it could be possible if a Piece of Eden did that, right? Yes, it's crazy but it's the only explanation I can give for people thinking Jacob is Jack the Ripper. GamerSophie (talk) 19:58, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

Ethan Frye is dead. He died of natural causes prior to Evie and Jacob's journey to London. At this point, I really don't think it's a member of the Frye family; we might not even get to know who Jack the Ripper was in the DLC. Maybe he escapes Jacob and Evie? Crook ^{The Constantine District} 20:02, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

That's where I got the 'make him younger' idea from. It's the only rational explanation I can think of on why people think Jacob would become Jack the Ripper. I don't care who it is but I want to be surprised and kept on my toes. I don't mind if it's Jacob or Evie or even Clara! Yes, Jack the Ripper is suspected to be a woman. Yes, he could escape Jacob and Evie but what if-because the real Jack the Ripper disappears in 1888-he is killed, demasked, his identity is revealed and they hide his identity from the public because he was part of the Order or someone they trusted? GamerSophie (talk) 20:08, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

You can't make a corpse younger :P I think we can definitely rule out Ethan as being Jack the Ripper, unless the Shroud of Eden's healing powers can even bring back those who are long dead. Which, in my opinion, would a bad creative decision to make since it cheapens death. That's a bad idea in a franchise that is all about assassinating people.

I'm curious as to what they'll do with it - reportedly, the writer of the DLC is the person that wrote the Dreadful Crimes content, which means we'll likely have a crime scene to analyze. I don't really want Jack to be an existing character like Clara though, that'd be really awful. There could be various reasons for his disappearance, but it is important to note that Sergeant Abberline worked the case and the Frye twins are allied with him; that means that IF they manage to apprehend Jack the Ripper and potentially kill him, they'd need to have a very good reason to keep that a secret from Abberline. Jack being a former Assassin or driven mad by a Piece of Eden for example. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 20:14, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

The only Piece of Eden capable of restoring youth that we know of is the Fountain of Youth, which if it hadn't been moved or destroyed would still be in Florida at that time. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 20:22, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

Jacob turns crazy and makes a 'monster' out of dead corpses like the story of Frankenstein? Lol. :P

Okay, here is the list of people I made which we can both analyse and see if one is more likely to be Jack the Ripper:

Jacob Frye - Could be but bad plot idea as everyone thinks it's him but it's Ubisoft, they make good DLCs so if it is him they'll give it some spice to keep us riled up. He has a son and possibly a wife at this time and he is mentioned being evacuated to the countryside in WWI, so not him.

Ethan Frye - Dead. (This isn't a revamped story of Frankenstein).

Henry Green - Only on this list because we know nothing of what he did after he and Evie went to India in 1869. His time after that year is unknown to us. Unlikely.

Evie Frye - She's in the trailer in her 'Ball' attire so not her.

Clara O'Dea - It would be funny as hell if it was her but sadly it's unlikely.

George Westhouse - God knows what he's doing, but he is closer to dying at this point as he is now old so unlikely.

An Assassin - More likely.

A police officer - More likely.

He's old enough to have a deep voice, considered to be in his late 30's to late 50's because they casted John Newman to voice him. Also, it is not stated if you will play Evie or Jacob. It says 'the player' so it's not confirmed if we are yet again playing the Frye twins; I do want to play 40 year old Jacob and Evie though. Lol. GamerSophie (talk) 20:31, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

It's not going to be Henry either - that'd be SO out of left field. You know, I just remembered that Lydia was born only five years after the Ripper killings, which means Jacob already has a son by this time. And Evie might have children as well - maybe we'll be playing as one of their children instead, rather than 40-year-old Jacob/Evie (not that I'd mind playing as them).

I'm also not 100% sure I trust the "Evie in a dress" now, as in, I'm not sure if it's actually part of the DLC or something they just threw into the trailer. The Darwin and Dickens Conspiracy trailer has nothing to do with the actual missions it consists of, so maybe it's misleading marketing?

For now, I'm hedging my bets it's going to be someone (maybe an Assassin) we're introduced to at the beginning of the DLC. One of the historical suspects will appear and it'll seem like they're Jack the Ripper, until the final mission and then we find out it's the person from the very beginning and kill them. That, or Jack gets away. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 20:42, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

Oh yeah! Jacob has an unknown son and wife-if he married-so he can't be Jack the Ripper as it is mentioned that he and Evie are evacuated to the countryside in WWI. It's unknown if Evie did go on to have children, though, but I would rather play as Jacob and Evie. We'll just have to wait and see. GamerSophie (talk) 21:07, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

Evie had to have had children, otherwise we wouldn't be able to play as her. -- Zero-ELEC (talk) 03:47, October 30, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant 'It's unknown if Evie did go on to have children in England' as she and Henry go to India in 1869, probably to get married and have children there. Maybe we won't see the children in the DLC as they could be adults and doing their own thing. GamerSophie (talk) 16:46, October 30, 2015 (UTC)

Now that the game-trailer it out, there is more hints that Evie knows the Ripper from his line 'Welcome to the reunion, Miss Frye.' (And that he either does not know she's married or she isn't married). So, now with the game-trailer released, anymore guesses? GamerSophie (talk) 17:49, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

If i had to make a wild guess, it would be Arthur Doyle. As Crook said, the guy that wrote this DLC also wrote the Dreadful Crimes. Why? Well i don't know, but as soon as i start playing, i will look for those "hints" they always throw at us before revealing the identity, if they do. DipsonDP (talk) 18:01, December 10, 2015 (UTC) 

I never thought of him. It's a possibility, as it has to be someone she knows. I mean, look at her face at the end when he removes the hat and the mask. That's a look which you give to someone you haven't seen in a long time. GamerSophie (talk) 18:09, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

Since I'm still of the belief it's not going to be Jacob, I'm kinda puzzling on who she's "reuniting with". No particular side character sticks out to me as possessing the potential of becoming a serial killer, so I still think it's going to be a new character. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 18:14, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, so considering we'll apparently get to play as the Ripper as a secondary "protagonist", Jack can't be Jacob. His child was obviously around at least fifteen by 1888 if Lydia was born in 1893. So we wouldn't be able to relive Jacob's nor the Ripper's memories if both were one and the same person. Jacob can still be a non-playable character and play a considerable part in the DLC though. My guess is that Jacob trained Jack as an Assassin and was either framed by the police or confined in Bedlam, hence Evie's mission in the asylum to free him (maybe ?) TOULOIR, membre du Conseil parisien (discussion) 18:24, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

That's confirmed? We're playing as Jack the Ripper? :o Oh shit, that's creepy. But yeah, I feel like Jack's a former Assassin that's gone completely bonkers and Jacob's been kidnapped/framed for all the murders. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 18:18, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

Not confirmed, but the trailer and first screenshots speak for themselves. Actually, I just thought for a minute. Jacob COULD be Jack if the descendant the DNA was extracted from were not related to Lydia. But since we got to relive her memories... yeah, so not that likely. Man, that's a mess.TOULOIR, membre du Conseil parisien (discussion) 18:24, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think we're playing as Jack, I think he's framing Evie for all the murders from the line 'You won't make a monster out of me!'. I believe it is not Jacob or anyone we know, unless the DLC has been so cleverly written that when his identity is revealed we all go 'Oh my god!'. Or, I've just thought, that we play Evie in the day but Jack through the night. GamerSophie (talk) 18:21, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

Im still wondering how we can play as Evie when se was 41. I mean, didn't she have children? Having a child after the forties is kinda risky, Miss Frye :v DipsonDP (talk) 18:47, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

It has not been confirmed that Evie had any children, so if that is true then they retrieved her DNA from her remains directly instead of her descendants. GamerSophie (talk) 18:52, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

That's kinda of a longshot considering that she was probably buried as a normal person, and not like a war hero or something. It's like finding the remaining of a random person. DipsonDP (talk) 19:00, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

Come on, it's Abstergo we're talking about. GamerSophie (talk) 19:01, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

You're going to love this : I had that theory back when the Jacob=Jack one was still plausible that Jacob's DNA was collected from Mary Jane Kelly's remains, knowing one of her alledged relatives asked in August 2015 for her great-aunt's remains to beb exhumed for DNA examination (source)

TOULOIR, membre du Conseil parisien (discussion) 19:02, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, i thought of Jacob's children (Which he should have already had by 1888) to confirm that he wasn't the Ripper, but then i remembered that part of Jack's DNA was found DipsonDP (talk) 19:07, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

And the plot thickens... GamerSophie (talk) 19:28, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

Wait, I was watching the trailer again and I recognize the voice from the main game! Especially when he says 'Miss Frye' at the end, but I don't know who it is. GamerSophie (talk) 20:22, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

He is part of Evie's family, as revealed on the last mission's name. Jacob theory just got 50% most likely DipsonDP (talk) 02:51, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

I'm against the Jacob = Jack theory but I think given the "reunion" line from Jack in the story trailer it's likely that he's a member of the Frye family, possibly Emmett Frye. <choose> <option>http://images.wikia.com/assassinscreed/images/7/7f/ArcemzSig.png</option></choose> 03:02, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

I hope so, i dont think they would have added Emmett to Isabelle's list without a reason. --DipsonDP (talk) 03:18, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

Agreed, I doubt they will go with one of the historical suspects or with a generic Assassin or Templar figure since Jack seems to know Evie. My guess is that's Emmett or another Frye who's been driven insane by First Civilization tech like Michel Reuge, only in a more twisted way. <choose><option>http://images.wikia.com/assassinscreed/images/7/7f/ArcemzSig.png</option></choose> 03:32, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

Could be; as the last mission is called 'Family Reunion', but I thought it was just Jacob and Evie reuniting again after she left for India twenty years back. But it would be interesting if the Family Reunion also meant Evie finally finding out that the identity of Jack all this time was Emmett Frye or another family member. Especially when he says 'How long will it take for you to see the truth', he has obviously been leaving clues to his identity for Evie. He wants her to find him. The story trailer for the DLC has George in it! At the end at 1:36 when Jack is coming out of the yard; the small glimpse of the Assassin outfit is definitely his, I compared them many times and they are the same. --GamerSophie (talk) 07:31, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

WAIT, isn't he JACOB? Hear the voice, it's Paul! It can't be George, 68 years and facing Jack The Ripper? I bet Jacob became the Mentor after Eve left London and took his robes. --DipsonDP (talk) 07:40, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I think its Jacob. Jack the Ripper says "Welcome to the reunion, Miss Frye" later in the trailer, so does that mean they're relatives or once great friends? (AND BTW does it mean HENRY AND EVIE ARENT MARRIED YET because he should say 'Mrs. Green/Mir' instead, right?) And Who I think is Jacob wearing George's outfit says "Jack, we can fix you". Does that also mean that Jack is somehow mutated or lost his mind (probably bec of a piece of eden)? -Misphantom (talk) 09:46, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

It's not going to be Jacob, that's way too transparent, too obvious, too predictable - it's clearly what Ubisoft wants us to think. "Reunion" could mean a great many things - is Evie reuniting with Jack the Ripper? Or is this a line where Evie meets a captive of Jack the Ripper? Even if it's the former, it could be any person she's met in the last twenty years, it doesn't necessarily have to be Jacob or Emmett, both of which we know survive into the 20th century, when the trophy for finishing the DLC explicitly states that "Jack the Ripper is dead".

Besides, if it was Jacob, he would totally say "welcome to the reunion, Evie". He's the last person who would call her "Miss Frye". As for Evie still being called "Miss Frye", who knows? It could mean any number of things, though my guess is it's just because she's been in India for so long so people in London don't know about her marital status. I'm still sticking with my theory that Jack is a former Assassin, possibly a pupil of Jacob. "Driven mad by a Piece of Eden" also sounds like a bit of a cop-out, so I hope they won't do that. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 10:00, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

Watching the trailer, for me it is evident that Jack is someone she knows or knew, and that as gamers whe have met him in Syndicate and are emotionally invested in to make the revelation more shocking. I hope they will not conclude the DLC with Jack dying without being unmasked, not my favorite option. Other possibilities:

Henry Raymond: Has survived is fall, love mind games... want revenge on Evie Frye so create an elaborate plan to destoy her body and mind.

Crawford Starrick: He was using a Shroud at the time of his death and was a little mad, so maybe... "It took me time to heal and now I track the traitors who have turned their backs on me, letting me rot in that vault, I will kill them and all the filth that have grown in my city during my absence, then you Miss Frye, after that your brother and all the one you ever loved..."

Henry Green: Have disapeared and Evie is looking for him, so she came back to London, hoping to find him there with the help of Abberline who recruit her to catch Jack the Ripper, delaying her search for her husband to deal with him... later discovering that he is in fact Henry turned mad by an artefact.

Clara O'Dea: Trained as an Assassin by Jacob, could be Jack if she get a throat cancer and trained to have NFL player shoulders. (Not my favorite theory, lol, personaly I hope to discover that she is now Jacob sweetheart. 1888= Jacob 41yo, Clara 30yo, not probable but possible in regard of Ezio's personal case.)

???: the last trophy mention the fact that Evie kept to herself the true identity of Jack the Ripper and take action to kept it secret. It could mean that the impact of the reveal was to great to make the information public, so Jack is maybe a famous and historical character of that time.Maxattac (talk) 10:48, December 11, 2015 (UTC)