Talk:Ezio Auditore da Firenze

Great news and thanks for the update. I just have one issue with Machiavelli - he would have only been 7 years old in 1476. I can overlook that though to work with da Vinci. --Maskim xul 15:44, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

The GameInformer article says the game takes place in 1476 and that you team up with Machiavelli. I had no clue that he would only be that young around that time. --Droginator1

That is a strange flaw. I know he wont be that young due to his picture in the article, maybe one memory is in 1476, then the one with him is later? AC-42 17:11, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

The game isnt all in 1476. The beginning is, and then you jump through Ezio's life until 1503. I'd assume you meet Machiavelli once he's a little older ;D Tobbsdasock 16:50 21st November (GMT)

Upon looking in to the history of Florence round and about 1476, when Assassin's Creed II is purported to take place, there seems to be a wealth of juicy subject matter that could potentially be built into this game: that is, judging from the way history was handled in AC I. That is to point out, as Desmond observes in a conversation with Vidic, that there are some 'differences' in what we have learned to be true and what Altair experiences - first person. That's also something that Al Mualim points out to Altair - that most people don't bother to notice the difference between what we are told to be true and what we observe to be true. Presumably, the same may be said of whatever Ezio experiences.

We also have Lorenzo de Medici around at that time. Firenze or Florence is where Ezio is living and Lorenzo's turf. We may see Lorenzo in much the same fashion that we see King Richard I in AC I - in cut-out scenes - i.e., Ezio will observe and listen to him but not be able to interact. But that's okay, because there's a whole lot more going on there to sweeten the pot. History is bent already, with this aberration in Machiavelli's age. He may have been a child prodigy, but that's still too young to be giving Ezio advice in political matters. He may even serve as the AC II Al Mualim. Who knows? Afterall, he does have a bit of a reputation for being the master of manipulating people in any way possible - politically, socially, financially, etc. Even today, upper management types consider "The Prince", his most well known tome, necessary reading material. One could hope ;)

Lorenzo had some interesting allies. He also had a lot of enemies. There are two - one ally/one enemy in particular that stand out:

The ally that stands out in this period was the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, Mehmet II - also known as el Fatih, the Conqueror. He's the one who conquered Constantinople and ended the Byzantine Empire. His "beloved" was none other than Radu cel Frumos...the younger brother of Vlad III Dracul. Yes, that Vlad Dracul. At one time, both of them were 'guests' in the Sultan's court, as assurance for their father's good behavior (Vlad II). Vlad III later returned home, but Radu remained behind, being groomed to one day take his older brother's place on the throne of Walachia. Mehmet II sees to it that he does just that, and Vlad III dies in 1476...coincidentally. Very possibly assassinated. An interesting thought but doesn't seem likely Ezio would be the one. Does it?

The Pazzi family wanted the Medici's gone. They wanted to rule Florence. It's called the Pazzi Conspiracy. They were aided and abetted in their schemes by the Archbishop of Pisa and his patron Pope Sixtus the Fourth. Three assassins made an attempt on the lives of Lorenzo and his brother Giuliano, attacking them as they attended mass at the cathedral. The Archbishop was lynched. All the Pazzi's were put to death, as well as the three assassins. This all happened in 1478.

There was war, too - for while Lorenzo de Medici had managed to become allied with the Ottomans, Mehmet II was attempting to conquer a large part of the rest of Italy, including Venice. He had already declared himself the "King of Rome" or "Ceasar" in the early 1460's. Venice was the richest city on the Mediterranean and controlled much of the shipping in that sea.

As for Venice, the 'other' city involved in AC II, let's look at the most powerful man there - the Doge or Duke of Venice. At this time, this position is held by Andrea Vendramin, who also dies in 1478 - perhaps from the Plague. Andrea married off his six daughters in typically politically strategic fashion and was by all accounts a very rich man. However, not all of the Council of Forty-One agreed with his election to the title and seat. He was called "a cheesemonger" and the Council remained divided during his reign. He was buried in what was considered "the most lavish funerary monument in Renaissance Venice." To his defense, he may have been chosen exactly because he and his brother had heaped up the beginnings of their family fortunes by entering into several commercial maritime ventures in their youth. He understood commerce, shipping and how to make a profit. That and he had a lot of influence in the families of his sons-in-law's families.

Will any of these other people show up in AC II? Perhaps. Fifteenth century Florence and Venice were riddled with intrigues, assassinations and various other skullduggery. Poison rings and strange elixirs were just as popular as daggers for doing away with one's enemies...but the Hidden Blades (two of them) rule. --Maskim xul 23:44, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

You know, there are some notable distortions in AC I, as well. Garnier de Naplouse (Garnier de Nablus) comes to mind. He was actually AT the Battle of Arsuf with Richard against Saladin. In fact, the Hospitalers broke ranks against Richard's direct orders to Master Garnier to hold formation. The Hospitalers charged the Saracens, because their archers were wiping the horses out from under the knights and things were getting quite intense. It was looking like their counter-attacks were toast. Garnier's surprise move was supported by Richard, who sent in troops to cover them in a moment of quick thinking. That's one for you....

Sibrand was the first Master of the Teutonic Knights, but they were a brotherhood at that point and not a full blown order.

If Majd Addin was in fact based on Baha ad-Din, serious liberties were taken with his character. It was in 1191 when Conrad of Montferrat (William V's son) became the King of Jerusalem, in which case a regent would have been a moot point. Not sure when in 1191, however. --Maskim xul 00:54, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Name

Hold on. Does Ezio really mean Eagle? I've ran his name through a couple translators and Ezio never came out eagle. Then I ran eagle through Italian and it came out something else. Imperialscouts 23:36, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't think Ezio is a literal translation. The full name must come out to Eagle of Florence. Then again, I was never sure what Altair's full name meant; "Son of None" or something was one given while the other involved an eagle.

From what I hear, "Altaïr" means "Eagle" whereas "Ibn-La'Ahad" means "son of none". − Elecbullet 04:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Is it Ezio Auditore de Firenze or di Firenze? The Wikipedia article says "di". − Elecbullet 04:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I am italian myself and Ezio doesn't mean Eagle, "Aquila" is the italian word for that. But I read on an on-line catalogue of names that Ezio probably derives from the greek world for Eagle. 84.222.239.78 17:41, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

All right, thank you. I deleted the statement about the translation. Under "Trivia" it now explains in detail. − Elecbullet 19:01, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

DA Firenze

It's Ezio Auditore da Firenze. Not di Firenze. I understand the GI article says di Firenze. In the game (and in terms of proper Italian naming conventions) it's da. You are free to continue reverting my changes, but you'll inevitably be forced to accept them when the game comes out and you realize I am correct.

About his name

All the fuss over Firenze, is all for not, listen, Da Firenze, is a title of Nobility, it means Of Florence, with a patent of nobility, a member of the state or a states men. When referring to any of the house of Auditore by their last names it should be said "auditore" ot "firenze" as that is the state they serve, and could many any other noble at that level, coincidentally Nobility is paternal, not maternal, therefore all information referring to claudia especially should be scrutinized, unless otherwise noted, she was not noble, she was of noble birth but without death in the family, mainly of her mother, period laws in Firenze where always to the mother of the house, therefore Maria, was probably, Da Firenze, but claudia would have been encouraged to take a husband of nobility in the normal working of noble families, and than would have received the title of the house, or position she inherited. being that lorenzo lived after the assassination attempt and had contact with ezio, he may have bestowed patents of nobility upon the whole family. Furthermore the auditores ability to bestow titles within monteriggioni remains no matter what, therefore we can assume that all had titles, and all were in reception of their patents. this does not change the fact that they should not be refered to as "firenzes" they are auditores, it would be like calling henry tudor VIII of england, "england."

Most likely considering Mario is the elder son, he holds the actual clout in the family,he may be Duke of monteriggioni, and that would make ezio Consiglierre, or counselor, ezio being second, unless mario has some son somewhere we don't know about whom is older than ezio.

Or the third option that Mario's nobility is only locale to monteriggioni, however it is quite unlikely, and the Auditore of Giovanni had a whole new thread of nobility bestowed upon them in addition, or in separate of the previous titles. Furthermore they were not nobles at all considering what we learn in the auditore family crypt, and are actually from the south coast of venice circa 1296 by way of marco polo.Pauci Verentur 23:50, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

If his name is nobility, doesn't that contradict the way the family is described by Domenico Auditore da Firenze (Which I think is ironic, if the name is nobility) "To the Auditore that reads this, remember that you are not a nobleman. You are not one of the deceivers, you are one of the people. Avenge us!"

The Animus (That's my user-name, it's having trouble with the signature)

new info

someone needs to incorporate this http://ps3.ign.com/articles/103/1037168p1.html

Question

now that we have all our information on our subject, would it not be logical to bring this out of the "video game preview" unencyclopedic format, and actually make it represent his life?

i will do a little edit and stop at 1 paragraph if you want me to stop revert it, otherwise ill press on in 48 hours.

Good idea. Also, when starting the revamp on the page please try to keep it similar to the pattern on others characters page, like merging Background to Biography under "Early Life", separating into history, personality and equipments, etc. -- D. Cello 00:03, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Added info

The Auditore family isn't actually true nobility. If you go through the Family Crypt in the Villa (which you can unlock through uplay), you can read their family history. Giovanni's father or a later ancestor adopted another nobleman's name, and trained himself classically and so gained access to the Florentine elite. --84.250.32.3 00:45, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

I think you learn not that he adopted another nobles name, but that his great grandfather, or Mario's great grandfather (meaning Ezio's great great grandfather), whichever built the villa obtained their money after obtaining the bank account of Marco Polo. After Polo's death and the loss of most of the Codex, the Auditori moved to Montegorri and masqueraded as nobility. With all of Polo's finances behid them no one doubted them. Mjihde 09:54, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Decendants

Not so much discussion as query. Are we actually informed who is the mother of Ezio's heir? Given that Ezio is a womaniser,he could theoretically have any number of decendants. Whoever it is would have to have had the child after Sequence 14, given how we learn that the ancestrial memories swap to the baby right after insemination (the Altair scene in AC2). Mjihde 09:57, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Golden Fleece

The article mentions the Codex alludes to Altair's Armor being made from pieces of the Golden Fleece. This is not the case. The Codex says Altair found a way (using information provided by the apple) to create what is effectively an invincible metal. It goes on to state he fears the effects such a development could have if it fell into templar hands and so he destroyed the formula.

No. It points to him finding out how to make the material that the Golden Fleece was created from. Once he made his armour, he destroyed anything that could lead to someone else working out how to make it, fearing it's widespread use by friend or foe alike. JakCurse 00:53, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Phrase?

What does Ezio say after he kills the important people as they are dying? The phrase he says just before they die and what does it mean?--84.92.16.13 18:07, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Ezio, (in all main assassinations after Memory Block 3) says 'Rest in Peace' at some point in the small scene. Though obviously he says it in Italian, I just am unsure on how to spell it, if you put subtitles on, it's translated for you.

I suppose I should have thought of that yes, but that's annoying, He says "requesta de pache" Must go see in the subtitles, thanks.--84.92.16.13 19:01, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Requiescat im Pace. Rek-wie-ess-cat im pa-chee. JakCurse 20:03, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

"Requiscat in pace" is actually ancient italian, close to modern latin. -- D. Cello 01:33, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Welp, i assure you, that's what he says. JakCurse 02:03, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

In my game, the subtitles say "Requiescat de pache" when hes saying rest in peace in italian. DarthFart 02:31, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Odd, because de means the. JakCurse 02:39, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Ancestor?

Where is it stated that Altaïr is an ancestor of Ezio? Ezio may be descendant of other assassin family, and one of his descendants maybe had a relationship with one of Altaïr's descendants.--Erik1310 09:06, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

He have the same abilities of Altaír. Even if his family had something to do with Altaïr's ancestor, he would still be related to Altaïr. No matter who get involved with who, if Desmond can see both, then they are directly related. I didn't understand the purpose of your question. Or the sense behind it. oO -- D. Cello 00:23, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

I meant that there is possibility that Ezio's descendant and Altaïr's descendant had a relationship (maybe I choosed the wrong word, I'm not good at English) and their child is ancestor of Desmond. In this case Desmond could enter both Ezio's and Altaïr's memory, while Ezio isn't Altaïr's descendant.--Erik1310 15:05, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

But since he would have both Altaïr's lineage genes and Ezio's lineage genes, doesn't that make him technically descendant to both? -- D. Cello 16:02, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

My point is that Ezio may not be Altaïr's descendant. Article states he is, but I want to see proof of this.--Erik1310 20:48, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Ah, yes. It was stated by the Creative director of the game in one of many interviews. Check AC2 wedocs. -- D. Cello 20:53, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Templates

Aren't the templates a bit the contrary of each other (don't know if I said that right)? One says that the article needs a revamp, the other says it's nominated to be a featured article. If the latter is correct, why would it have to be revamped? Master Sima Yi 16:42, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Cause it's good but don't follow our manual of style, which is a requisite to FA. -- D. Cello 02:44, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Love his outfit

'nough said