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Shouldn't Mario Auditore be next to Ezio in the Assassin Ownership column?

Al Mualim

why is Al Mualim placed under the Assassin Associated Ownership?

Well, technically, despite his betrayal, Al Mualim was actually an Assassin Grandmaster. :P Also, please remember to sign your posts! :) --Piratehunter (Talk•Contribs) 23:56, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

First or Second?

All of the related pages say that the First Apple was the one used by Altair and Ezio, as well as the one stolen by Adam and Eve. As far as I'm aware, there's no evidence backing up either of the claims. In fact, the e-mails in AC1 (specifically, the one on the conf. room computer) call the one that was destroyed in the DIA Accident "no. 2". According to Lucy, this was the same one found by Altair. As for Adam and Eve, at this point, we have no way of knowing which one was the one they stole. 98.192.42.30 18:50, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Cyprus?

I can only assume from the ending of Bloodlines that Altiar took the Apple with him from Cyrus as he headed east with Maria. Also the Templar Archive in Cyprus was destroyed. How then do the Templars in AC2 get the Apple from Cyprus? It shouldn't be there. I can't recall where Armand Bouchart had the Archive moved but that seems like the place they would find it, though i don't know how Altiar lost it in the first place.

- Altair went back in his older age and put it there before his death for safekeeping. He says this in the Codex.

inconsistency napoleon-houdini

Maybe i have a solution for it. It's offcours unlikely that the apple that Houdini and Napoleon used, would be placed back at his precise location where Ezio left it. But is it certain Ezio uses nr.1? As we have seen on the map of altair at the end of AC 1, and by the numbering of the pieces, thee are a lot of PoE's, so why not more than 5 apples? Assume that the apple used by Ezio is nr.6, and because it has been 500 years under the colloseum, it hasn't been used by anyone in history, so it doesn't show up in the truth puzzles in ACII.

Just a thought

EXistenZ! 09:15, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

No, there is no proof that it is the First Apple. Therefore, we must create a separate article for the Apple seen in-game. -- Master Sima Yi 00:16, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering the same thing as EXistenZ. Since there is no proof it's the same Apple, I'm thinking the trivia bit about the inconsistency should be removed or at least edited. Anyone disagree?

Hylian90 04:50, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

We will put any information about the in-game Apple in Sixth Apple. -- Master Sima Yi 09:58, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

I can move it in the next couple of hours, if no one disagrees. I was really wondering about this too, since it seemed like such a huge inconsistency for Ubisoft to make. -- A Black Rabbit 23:11, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Hey,Im glad that some one cleared this up,as this apple has been used through out history and could not be the same one used by Ezio and Altair,which is the Sixth Apple.FrazzleDazzle 09:22, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

It's Piece of Eden, not apple

Why do you people call it Apple anyway?
There is no evidence it was apple indeed. All the texts IRL (and in-game i Guess) say about fruit, not apple.

... -- Master Sima Yi 15:06, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

If I remind it well, characters ingame (not presentday) sometimes refer to it as apple. Rodrigo Borgia did it when confronted by ezio in venice, and also Cesare calls it Apple. Out of my head, i cant name any others, but i'm sure there are. I assume it is to make a difference between the staff and the sword, since not all PoE's look alike.

EXistenZ! 17:11, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

If you recall from the "true" history of human kind and the Gods, it was the Pieces of Eden causing "miracles" or other events, although the events in and of themselves actually happened. They were made into different things, like the Staff (Papal and Tsarist staff), the Shroud (what caused Yeshua's ressurrection), the Sword, etc. This Piece of Eden is made into a sphere, and ended up being involved in a //wide// variety of Apple myths, indicated by one of the Glyphs puzzles, where you have to select all of the mythical paintings involving Apples. It's why it earns the moniker (nickname) "Apple of Eden". -- A Black Rabbit 23:07, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

No proof that Templars have any Apples

Apple pages should be no longer edited to say "Under Templar possession" or something similar. Even though glyphs tell us that 5 apples were used by the Templars, we known one was lost when Hitler was killed, and we don't know the status of the other 4.

The Templars clearly don't have access to other apples by 2012, because they are so desperate to acquire another one after the one that they had was destroyed in the DIA incident. 07:11, December 10, 2010 24.76.215.27

First, please sign your post by either using four tildes (~) or pressing the Signature button. It's easier to be able to keep track of conversation. :)

Second, I can agree with your top paragraph to a point. However, I think a "Unknown, last in <group> control." would not be incorrect, and would explain things from the very beginning of the article. Where we go from there is speculation... which is what your second paragraph is. Saying "they've lost it" is just as much a stretch that "they've got it". The e-mail from Alan Rikkin in the Conference room states that they're looking for multiple artifacts, and that the satellite is just one stage in their plans. If you'll remember, people like Altair, Ezio, and Desmond can't be controlled by their minds, but they can be physically inhibited (displayed by the end fight with Al Mualim). There is definitely a need for more than one, and an even greater need that the Assassins don't get a hold of any more to provide a resistance.

There's reasonable evidence that the Templars hold Apples 1, 3, and 5 (and formerly 2, before its destruction, as well as the artifact that was destroyed/went missing/stopped working in the Philadelphia Experiment). Subject 16 only notes their (the five Apples) presence and what large world event it was involved that it ended up changing hands, and the implications of how far the Templars have effected the world. I don't think thats necessarily indicative of saying "the Templars lost them all". They may have lost it, they may still have them. *shrug* But I think a mention that its probably under Templar control wouldn't be amiss. Thats just my two cents, though. -- A Black Rabbit 10:17, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

The game gives little further info on any PoE really... Look at the Sword. It was taken from Joan of Arc in the early 15th century, roughly just a few decades before Borgia became influential in Rome as the Templar leader, yet no mention of the sword is made...

As for the Apples, it's definitely an either way as to who has them now. I say only that they probably don't have any because if the Templars had any Apples, they'd be all clear to launch... but on the other hand, it's very unlikely that Abstergo can just "lose" 3 apples within a few decades. Hopefully the next game clears things up... at least 50 of these artifacts... it's overwhelming to imagine. -- Vaxis 2:21, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

???

why does it say that the assassins didn't had the apple?