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Seeing as they are never actually called the Assassins except in the modern day, and how the proto-[[Templars]] have their own page as the [[Order of the Ancients]], should we make a page for the [[Hidden Ones]]? They would include [[Marcus Junius Brutus]], [[Aya]], [[Bayek]], [[Gaius Cassius Longinus]], and [[Tahira]]. Such a page could include the fact that they were eventually morphed into the [[Roman Brotherhood of Assassins]] and the [[Egyptian Brotherhood of Assassins]], but for some time, neither of those even existed.[[User:GZilla311|GZilla311]] ([[User talk:GZilla311|talk]]) 01:32, October 27, 2017 (UTC) | Seeing as they are never actually called the Assassins except in the modern day, and how the proto-[[Templars]] have their own page as the [[Order of the Ancients]], should we make a page for the [[Hidden Ones]]? They would include [[Marcus Junius Brutus]], [[Aya]], [[Bayek]], [[Gaius Cassius Longinus]], and [[Tahira]]. Such a page could include the fact that they were eventually morphed into the [[Roman Brotherhood of Assassins]] and the [[Egyptian Brotherhood of Assassins]], but for some time, neither of those even existed.[[User:GZilla311|GZilla311]] ([[User talk:GZilla311|talk]]) 01:32, October 27, 2017 (UTC) | ||
:Technically speaking, the term "Hidden Ones" applied to the Order as a whole, not just these two branches. Also, they did establish bureaus that were seperate from each other. In any case, the Roman Brotherhood was already established to have a different name (Liberalis Circulum), and the term "Roman Brotherhood" is definitely retroactive, used by later Assassins to identify their predecessors. I think most people are in favor of simply combining the Hidden Ones with the Assassins, as there isn't really a difference aside from what they call themselves. [[User:The Wikia Editor|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor|talk]]) 11:01, October 28, 2017 (UTC) | :Technically speaking, the term "Hidden Ones" applied to the Order as a whole, not just these two branches. Also, they did establish bureaus that were seperate from each other. In any case, the Roman Brotherhood was already established to have a different name (Liberalis Circulum), and the term "Roman Brotherhood" is definitely retroactive, used by later Assassins to identify their predecessors. I think most people are in favor of simply combining the Hidden Ones with the Assassins, as there isn't really a difference aside from what they call themselves. [[User:The Wikia Editor|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor|talk]]) 11:01, October 28, 2017 (UTC) | ||
::I once again would like to reiterate that the term Liberalis Circulum is one taken from the semi-canon French comics and based on Aymar's latest remarks we cannot be too certain if they're still canon at all. Additionally it was only used in 259 and seemed to refer to a very small circle of people. I personally am not in favour. While including information on the Hidden Ones on the Assassins page is a given, having a separate article on Hidden Ones to go more in-depth on their differences and history is also required. Based on ''Origins'' we now know there is no such thing as Persian and Babylonian Brotherhoods, and considering the Hidden Ones influence seems to only spread throughout the Roman Empire so far, I do not think it right to any longer assume there be any such thing as Brotherhoods or Rites pre-Crusades, much as that atrocity of an Essential Guide likes to say there are. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 16:08, October 28, 2017 (UTC) | |||
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Egyptian Brotherhood vs. Hidden Ones?
Seeing as they are never actually called the Assassins except in the modern day, and how the proto-Templars have their own page as the Order of the Ancients, should we make a page for the Hidden Ones? They would include Marcus Junius Brutus, Aya, Bayek, Gaius Cassius Longinus, and Tahira. Such a page could include the fact that they were eventually morphed into the Roman Brotherhood of Assassins and the Egyptian Brotherhood of Assassins, but for some time, neither of those even existed.GZilla311 (talk) 01:32, October 27, 2017 (UTC)
- Technically speaking, the term "Hidden Ones" applied to the Order as a whole, not just these two branches. Also, they did establish bureaus that were seperate from each other. In any case, the Roman Brotherhood was already established to have a different name (Liberalis Circulum), and the term "Roman Brotherhood" is definitely retroactive, used by later Assassins to identify their predecessors. I think most people are in favor of simply combining the Hidden Ones with the Assassins, as there isn't really a difference aside from what they call themselves. The Wikia Editor (talk) 11:01, October 28, 2017 (UTC)
- I once again would like to reiterate that the term Liberalis Circulum is one taken from the semi-canon French comics and based on Aymar's latest remarks we cannot be too certain if they're still canon at all. Additionally it was only used in 259 and seemed to refer to a very small circle of people. I personally am not in favour. While including information on the Hidden Ones on the Assassins page is a given, having a separate article on Hidden Ones to go more in-depth on their differences and history is also required. Based on Origins we now know there is no such thing as Persian and Babylonian Brotherhoods, and considering the Hidden Ones influence seems to only spread throughout the Roman Empire so far, I do not think it right to any longer assume there be any such thing as Brotherhoods or Rites pre-Crusades, much as that atrocity of an Essential Guide likes to say there are. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 16:08, October 28, 2017 (UTC)