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imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* On Vesta */

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	::::::If you want to pursue this further take it to FANDOM proper. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 00:00, 27 January 2025 (UTC)		::::::If you want to pursue this further take it to FANDOM proper. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 00:00, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
	:::::::It is extremely telling that you are unable to answer a single question or cite one source, only dodge and deflect. Do you not have the intellect to engage in constructive debate to improve an article? [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 00:32, 27 January 2025 (UTC)		:::::::It is extremely telling that you are unable to answer a single question or cite one source, only dodge and deflect. Do you not have the intellect to engage in constructive debate to improve an article? [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 00:32, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::::Beep boop. You have reached our Automated Response System. If you want to pursue this further take it to FANDOM proper. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:46, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

imported>TruthSeeker87: /* On Vesta */

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	:::::My "agenda" is to have a wiki with consistent and reliable information, not political statements. The name "Vesta" is his mother. It is explicitly stated throughout the questline he "hears" his mother and is acting as if he is his mother. That doesn't make him trans, that makes him insane. Or perhaps you are suggesting that those are the same? [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 20:00, 26 January 2025 (UTC)		:::::My "agenda" is to have a wiki with consistent and reliable information, not political statements. The name "Vesta" is his mother. It is explicitly stated throughout the questline he "hears" his mother and is acting as if he is his mother. That doesn't make him trans, that makes him insane. Or perhaps you are suggesting that those are the same? [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 20:00, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
	::::::If you want to pursue this further take it to FANDOM proper. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 00:00, 27 January 2025 (UTC)		::::::If you want to pursue this further take it to FANDOM proper. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 00:00, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
	:::::::It is extremely telling that you are unable to answer a single question or cite one source, only dodge and deflect. Do you not have the intellect to engage in constructive debate to improve an article?		:::::::It is extremely telling that you are unable to answer a single question or cite one source, only dodge and deflect. Do you not have the intellect to engage in constructive debate to improve an article? [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 00:32, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

imported>TruthSeeker87: /* On Vesta */

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	:::::My "agenda" is to have a wiki with consistent and reliable information, not political statements. The name "Vesta" is his mother. It is explicitly stated throughout the questline he "hears" his mother and is acting as if he is his mother. That doesn't make him trans, that makes him insane. Or perhaps you are suggesting that those are the same? [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 20:00, 26 January 2025 (UTC)		:::::My "agenda" is to have a wiki with consistent and reliable information, not political statements. The name "Vesta" is his mother. It is explicitly stated throughout the questline he "hears" his mother and is acting as if he is his mother. That doesn't make him trans, that makes him insane. Or perhaps you are suggesting that those are the same? [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 20:00, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
	::::::If you want to pursue this further take it to FANDOM proper. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 00:00, 27 January 2025 (UTC)		::::::If you want to pursue this further take it to FANDOM proper. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 00:00, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::::It is extremely telling that you are unable to answer a single question or cite one source, only dodge and deflect. Do you not have the intellect to engage in constructive debate to improve an article?

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* On Vesta */

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	::::Wow, false dichotomy and a strawman. Sounds like you have an agenda too. We've all read the article. Both the people you were warring with have edited it. If you'd like we can get the main contributor to chime in as well. But to copy my response from the previous talk page: Nowhere in the quest does the individual in question identify with anything other than the name Vesta. A consensus was reached a couple years ago in conjunction with FANDOM policy that that was enough to for moving the article and the categorization. You can disagree but you are outvoted. If you want to pursue this further take it to FANDOM proper. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 19:28, 26 January 2025 (UTC)		::::Wow, false dichotomy and a strawman. Sounds like you have an agenda too. We've all read the article. Both the people you were warring with have edited it. If you'd like we can get the main contributor to chime in as well. But to copy my response from the previous talk page: Nowhere in the quest does the individual in question identify with anything other than the name Vesta. A consensus was reached a couple years ago in conjunction with FANDOM policy that that was enough to for moving the article and the categorization. You can disagree but you are outvoted. If you want to pursue this further take it to FANDOM proper. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 19:28, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
	:::::My "agenda" is to have a wiki with consistent and reliable information, not political statements. The name "Vesta" is his mother. It is explicitly stated throughout the questline he "hears" his mother and is acting as if he is his mother. That doesn't make him trans, that makes him insane. Or perhaps you are suggesting that those are the same? [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 20:00, 26 January 2025 (UTC)		:::::My "agenda" is to have a wiki with consistent and reliable information, not political statements. The name "Vesta" is his mother. It is explicitly stated throughout the questline he "hears" his mother and is acting as if he is his mother. That doesn't make him trans, that makes him insane. Or perhaps you are suggesting that those are the same? [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 20:00, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::If you want to pursue this further take it to FANDOM proper. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 00:00, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

imported>TruthSeeker87: /* On Vesta */

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On Vesta

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	:::https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Cat_and_Mouse_(Origins). [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2025 (UTC)		:::https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Cat_and_Mouse_(Origins). [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
	::::Wow, false dichotomy and a strawman. Sounds like you have an agenda too. We've all read the article. Both the people you were warring with have edited it. If you'd like we can get the main contributor to chime in as well. But to copy my response from the previous talk page: Nowhere in the quest does the individual in question identify with anything other than the name Vesta. A consensus was reached a couple years ago in conjunction with FANDOM policy that that was enough to for moving the article and the categorization. You can disagree but you are outvoted. If you want to pursue this further take it to FANDOM proper. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 19:28, 26 January 2025 (UTC)		::::Wow, false dichotomy and a strawman. Sounds like you have an agenda too. We've all read the article. Both the people you were warring with have edited it. If you'd like we can get the main contributor to chime in as well. But to copy my response from the previous talk page: Nowhere in the quest does the individual in question identify with anything other than the name Vesta. A consensus was reached a couple years ago in conjunction with FANDOM policy that that was enough to for moving the article and the categorization. You can disagree but you are outvoted. If you want to pursue this further take it to FANDOM proper. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 19:28, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::My "agenda" is to have a wiki with consistent and reliable information, not political statements. The name "Vesta" is his mother. It is explicitly stated throughout the questline he "hears" his mother and is acting as if he is his mother. That doesn't make him trans, that makes him insane. Or perhaps you are suggesting that those are the same? [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 20:00, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* On Vesta */

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	:::https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Cat_and_Mouse_(Origins). [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2025 (UTC)		:::https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Cat_and_Mouse_(Origins). [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Wow, false dichotomy and a strawman. Sounds like you have an agenda too. We've all read the article. Both the people you were warring with have edited it. If you'd like we can get the main contributor to chime in as well. But to copy my response from the previous talk page: Nowhere in the quest does the individual in question identify with anything other than the name Vesta. A consensus was reached a couple years ago in conjunction with FANDOM policy that that was enough to for moving the article and the categorization. You can disagree but you are outvoted. If you want to pursue this further take it to FANDOM proper. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 19:28, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

imported>TruthSeeker87: /* On Vesta */

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	:Please share what was discussed. I have cited multiple sources showing why this character is misrepresented on this wiki and no one reverting the changes can cite a single source to prove why they are considered trans or use feminine pronouns. There seems to be agendas at hand and I can only assume these reverts are in bad faith. [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 16:08, 26 January 2025 (UTC)		:Please share what was discussed. I have cited multiple sources showing why this character is misrepresented on this wiki and no one reverting the changes can cite a single source to prove why they are considered trans or use feminine pronouns. There seems to be agendas at hand and I can only assume these reverts are in bad faith. [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 16:08, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
	::Are the agendas in the room with us? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 17:28, 26 January 2025 (UTC)		::Are the agendas in the room with us? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 17:28, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::I would assume the people reverting this article are, yes. I was playing ACO the other night and found the questline interesting. At no point did I think of this character as anything but mad but I wanted to see if I missed something during the quest. It was quite the surprise to see that someone anointed a character, ''who happens to be a pretty terrible person'', as trans without proof. I updated the article to be neutral and stated multiple times for doing so. My edits have been reverted without explanation.

			:::No matter where you fall on the political spectrum, I find these reverts to be motivated by an agenda. One on hand, you are taking an insane person who talks to his mother in his head and murders three people (including his own father) and saying "yes, this is an example of a typical trans person". At the other end of the spectrum, you are merely trying to +1 trans representation in media without proof and again, chose a despicable person to do so. Either way, it is not factually correct as shown multiple times in the quest dialogue.

			:::Again, I say to you, give me once source that this character is trans. Reread the quest dialogue, the article on it is well written.

			:::https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Cat_and_Mouse_(Origins). [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* On Vesta */

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	This was something that was discussed among editors and our FANDOM representative. Cease moving the page or you will be banned. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 14:32, 26 January 2025 (UTC)		This was something that was discussed among editors and our FANDOM representative. Cease moving the page or you will be banned. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 14:32, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Please share what was discussed. I have cited multiple sources showing why this character is misrepresented on this wiki and no one reverting the changes can cite a single source to prove why they are considered trans or use feminine pronouns. There seems to be agendas at hand and I can only assume these reverts are in bad faith. [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 16:08, 26 January 2025 (UTC)		:Please share what was discussed. I have cited multiple sources showing why this character is misrepresented on this wiki and no one reverting the changes can cite a single source to prove why they are considered trans or use feminine pronouns. There seems to be agendas at hand and I can only assume these reverts are in bad faith. [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 16:08, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Are the agendas in the room with us? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 17:28, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

imported>TruthSeeker87: /* On Vesta */

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	This was something that was discussed among editors and our FANDOM representative. Cease moving the page or you will be banned. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 14:32, 26 January 2025 (UTC)		This was something that was discussed among editors and our FANDOM representative. Cease moving the page or you will be banned. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 14:32, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Please share what was discussed. I have cited multiple sources showing why this character is misrepresented on this wiki and no one reverting the changes can cite a single source to prove why they are considered trans or use feminine pronouns. There seems to be agendas at hand and I can only assume these reverts are in bad faith. [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 16:08, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

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==On Vesta==
This was something that was discussed among editors and our FANDOM representative. Cease moving the page or you will be banned. - [[User:Soranin|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin|talk]]) 14:32, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

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	::::::If you want to pursue this further take it to FANDOM proper. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 00:00, 27 January 2025 (UTC)		::::::If you want to pursue this further take it to FANDOM proper. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 00:00, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
	:::::::It is extremely telling that you are unable to answer a single question or cite one source, only dodge and deflect. Do you not have the intellect to engage in constructive debate to improve an article? [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 00:32, 27 January 2025 (UTC)		:::::::It is extremely telling that you are unable to answer a single question or cite one source, only dodge and deflect. Do you not have the intellect to engage in constructive debate to improve an article? [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 00:32, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::::Beep boop. You have reached our Automated Response System. If you want to pursue this further take it to FANDOM proper. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:46, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

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	::::Wow, false dichotomy and a strawman. Sounds like you have an agenda too. We've all read the article. Both the people you were warring with have edited it. If you'd like we can get the main contributor to chime in as well. But to copy my response from the previous talk page: Nowhere in the quest does the individual in question identify with anything other than the name Vesta. A consensus was reached a couple years ago in conjunction with FANDOM policy that that was enough to for moving the article and the categorization. You can disagree but you are outvoted. If you want to pursue this further take it to FANDOM proper. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 19:28, 26 January 2025 (UTC)		::::Wow, false dichotomy and a strawman. Sounds like you have an agenda too. We've all read the article. Both the people you were warring with have edited it. If you'd like we can get the main contributor to chime in as well. But to copy my response from the previous talk page: Nowhere in the quest does the individual in question identify with anything other than the name Vesta. A consensus was reached a couple years ago in conjunction with FANDOM policy that that was enough to for moving the article and the categorization. You can disagree but you are outvoted. If you want to pursue this further take it to FANDOM proper. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 19:28, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
	:::::My "agenda" is to have a wiki with consistent and reliable information, not political statements. The name "Vesta" is his mother. It is explicitly stated throughout the questline he "hears" his mother and is acting as if he is his mother. That doesn't make him trans, that makes him insane. Or perhaps you are suggesting that those are the same? [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 20:00, 26 January 2025 (UTC)		:::::My "agenda" is to have a wiki with consistent and reliable information, not political statements. The name "Vesta" is his mother. It is explicitly stated throughout the questline he "hears" his mother and is acting as if he is his mother. That doesn't make him trans, that makes him insane. Or perhaps you are suggesting that those are the same? [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 20:00, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::If you want to pursue this further take it to FANDOM proper. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 00:00, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

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	:::https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Cat_and_Mouse_(Origins). [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2025 (UTC)		:::https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Cat_and_Mouse_(Origins). [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
	::::Wow, false dichotomy and a strawman. Sounds like you have an agenda too. We've all read the article. Both the people you were warring with have edited it. If you'd like we can get the main contributor to chime in as well. But to copy my response from the previous talk page: Nowhere in the quest does the individual in question identify with anything other than the name Vesta. A consensus was reached a couple years ago in conjunction with FANDOM policy that that was enough to for moving the article and the categorization. You can disagree but you are outvoted. If you want to pursue this further take it to FANDOM proper. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 19:28, 26 January 2025 (UTC)		::::Wow, false dichotomy and a strawman. Sounds like you have an agenda too. We've all read the article. Both the people you were warring with have edited it. If you'd like we can get the main contributor to chime in as well. But to copy my response from the previous talk page: Nowhere in the quest does the individual in question identify with anything other than the name Vesta. A consensus was reached a couple years ago in conjunction with FANDOM policy that that was enough to for moving the article and the categorization. You can disagree but you are outvoted. If you want to pursue this further take it to FANDOM proper. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 19:28, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::My "agenda" is to have a wiki with consistent and reliable information, not political statements. The name "Vesta" is his mother. It is explicitly stated throughout the questline he "hears" his mother and is acting as if he is his mother. That doesn't make him trans, that makes him insane. Or perhaps you are suggesting that those are the same? [[User:TruthSeeker87\|TruthSeeker87]] ([[User talk:TruthSeeker87\|talk]]) 20:00, 26 January 2025 (UTC)