User talk:Sol Pacificus/Archive 1 - Revision history

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	Could you link me to this supposed new policy? While I had been gone for a good while, I can't say I understand the need for this, or why it's only present on a small handful of articles. --{{User:The Crimson Eagle/sig}} 19:42, July 27, 2017 (UTC)		Could you link me to this supposed new policy? While I had been gone for a good while, I can't say I understand the need for this, or why it's only present on a small handful of articles. --{{User:The Crimson Eagle/sig}} 19:42, July 27, 2017 (UTC)

	:The discussions for this policy were held [[Thread:209097\|here]] and [[Thread:209373\|here]]. Although not many people participated in the voting, we were ultimately given the approval and go-ahead by Master Sima Yi though progress in implementing it has been slow.		:The discussions for this policy were held [Thread:209097\|here]] and [Thread:209373\|here]]. Although not many people participated in the voting, we were ultimately given the approval and go-ahead by Master Sima Yi though progress in implementing it has been slow.

	:While unnecessary in the earlier years of the franchise, its expansion to a myriad of sources with the release of comics, novels, and reference books is starting to necessitate this change. One of the prime reasons for this policy, though actually not covered in the discussions, can be gleamed in the article [[smoke screen bombs]] which only provides information from a couple of its appearances and is heavily outdated. Equating "Appearances" and "References" thereby causes confusion because people who look at the References might think that that's all the information there ever is on smoke bombs in the series and the only sources that smoke bombs ever make an appearance when that is a mere fraction of the information on the subject. As seen in the Appearances section, the article is missing information from a whole slew of games, and the article presents itself even as exclusive to the few sources it cites to. The Appearances section therefore helps show to editors all the available sources to refer to. As a Wookieepedian, this is definitely essential for larger franchises so that editors can investigate each source to check for information missing from the article. With large franchises, that is inevitable because editors tend to cut out significant details or information in their haste. Likewise, readers can also check for sources if they want additional information that might be missing. Having a sole References section conflating with Appearances means that a list of sources is dependent on whether editors happen to include information that cite to those sources. In many cases, especially with the fewer manpower around here and with us falling greatly behind the series, articles are more and more reaching the state of [[smoke screen bombs]], missing a whole slew of sources.		:While unnecessary in the earlier years of the franchise, its expansion to a myriad of sources with the release of comics, novels, and reference books is starting to necessitate this change. One of the prime reasons for this policy, though actually not covered in the discussions, can be gleamed in the article [[smoke screen bombs]] which only provides information from a couple of its appearances and is heavily outdated. Equating "Appearances" and "References" thereby causes confusion because people who look at the References might think that that's all the information there ever is on smoke bombs in the series and the only sources that smoke bombs ever make an appearance when that is a mere fraction of the information on the subject. As seen in the Appearances section, the article is missing information from a whole slew of games, and the article presents itself even as exclusive to the few sources it cites to. The Appearances section therefore helps show to editors all the available sources to refer to. As a Wookieepedian, this is definitely essential for larger franchises so that editors can investigate each source to check for information missing from the article. With large franchises, that is inevitable because editors tend to cut out significant details or information in their haste. Likewise, readers can also check for sources if they want additional information that might be missing. Having a sole References section conflating with Appearances means that a list of sources is dependent on whether editors happen to include information that cite to those sources. In many cases, especially with the fewer manpower around here and with us falling greatly behind the series, articles are more and more reaching the state of [[smoke screen bombs]], missing a whole slew of sources.

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	By the way, while I'm at it, why the change from "References" to "Appearances"? The "References" was kinda pointing out that everything above came from the game, while with a "Appearances" you're just giving the same information that the character infobox is giving. --[[User:Sekuiya\|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#619DD9;">Sekuiya</span>]][[User talk:Sekuiya\|<sup><span style="color:#FF7B1B;">talk</span></sup>]] 11:02, July 10, 2017 (UTC)<br />:Haha I actually feared that the writing was coming straight out of database pages from ''Assassin's Creed: Rebellion'', but I wasn't too sure because I did catch a few mistakes.		By the way, while I'm at it, why the change from "References" to "Appearances"? The "References" was kinda pointing out that everything above came from the game, while with a "Appearances" you're just giving the same information that the character infobox is giving. --[[User:Sekuiya\|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#619DD9;">Sekuiya</span>]][[User talk:Sekuiya\|<sup><span style="color:#FF7B1B;">talk</span></sup>]] 11:02, July 10, 2017 (UTC)<br />:Haha I actually feared that the writing was coming straight out of database pages from ''Assassin's Creed: Rebellion'', but I wasn't too sure because I did catch a few mistakes.

	:As for the change from "References" to "Appearances", I should clarify that we're not actually replacing "References" with "Appearances" ''per se'', but correcting the usage of the terms. We're to have both sections. It's kind of confusing, but you should check out examples at Wookieepedia, the ''Star Wars'' wiki. Here are two examples: [[w:c:starwars:Ice (duelist)\|Ice (duelist]] and [[w:c:starwars:Venator-class Star Destroyer/Legends\|''Venator''-class Star Destroyer]]. "References" technically are meant to be a list of citations whereas "Appearances" list out all the media that the subject appears in and which can be used to find further information.		:As for the change from "References" to "Appearances", I should clarify that we're not actually replacing "References" with "Appearances" ''per se'', but correcting the usage of the terms. We're to have both sections. It's kind of confusing, but you should check out examples at Wookieepedia, the ''Star Wars'' wiki. Here are two examples: [w:c:starwars:Ice (duelist)\|Ice (duelist]] and [w:c:starwars:Venator-class Star Destroyer/Legends\|''Venator''-class Star Destroyer]]. "References" technically are meant to be a list of citations whereas "Appearances" list out all the media that the subject appears in and which can be used to find further information.

	:The former practice of this wiki, however, was to ''merge'' the functions of the "Appearances" and "References" sections for some reason, so that if there's only one source, we just list that source and assume all information comes from it, while if there's more than one source, we cite everything to the multiple sources without listing all the sources the subject appears in.		:The former practice of this wiki, however, was to ''merge'' the functions of the "Appearances" and "References" sections for some reason, so that if there's only one source, we just list that source and assume all information comes from it, while if there's more than one source, we cite everything to the multiple sources without listing all the sources the subject appears in.

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	:::Hope all's well with you, [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 02:34, December 28, 2017 (UTC)		:::Hope all's well with you, [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 02:34, December 28, 2017 (UTC)
	::::Hey Darman, to be honest I forgot about your suggestion with the Creed symbols. I think it'd be preferable to include them, but at this moment, I am preoccupied with ''Origins'' articles which must take paramount priority. I am currently about the only editor active in writing articles on that game's lore although [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] is helping out immensely with ''Origins''<nowiki>'</nowiki> weapons. As they stand, working on ''Unity'' weapon pages any further would have to take the lowest priority for me, but I really appreciate you reminding me of the matter. As for the + symbol being redundant with the word "Additional" already present, I actually took the text exactly it appears in the game, and I would prefer to keep it that way. Thanks for asking about it though; it's a good catch! [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 08:08, December 28, 2017 (UTC)		::::Hey Darman, to be honest I forgot about your suggestion with the Creed symbols. I think it'd be preferable to include them, but at this moment, I am preoccupied with ''Origins'' articles which must take paramount priority. I am currently about the only editor active in writing articles on that game's lore although [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] is helping out immensely with ''Origins''<nowiki>'</nowiki> weapons. As they stand, working on ''Unity'' weapon pages any further would have to take the lowest priority for me, but I really appreciate you reminding me of the matter. As for the + symbol being redundant with the word "Additional" already present, I actually took the text exactly it appears in the game, and I would prefer to keep it that way. Thanks for asking about it though; it's a good catch! [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 08:08, December 28, 2017 (UTC)
	:::::Sol,<br />Makes sense ACO is the priority, given its recent release. And we were ''so close'' to finishing the remaining ACU and ACS pages, too, even ''with'' Ubisoft's gap year. :( Anyway, why do you think we should keep "additional"? (Heck, why's the duplicate descriptor/operator even in-game?)<br />re: Creed Points - I'd ask the person who made the Akçe template, [[User:Vatsa1708\|Vatsa1708]], but they've gone dark since June 2016, and judging by [[w:c:prototype:Special:Contributions/Vatsa1708\|their activity]] at the ''Prototype'' wiki, they seem to have relocated there since leaving. Unless they're avoiding spoilers? Maybe [[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]]? They've really gone at it with ''Unity'' pics... [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 04:33, December 29, 2017 (UTC)		:::::Sol,<br />Makes sense ACO is the priority, given its recent release. And we were ''so close'' to finishing the remaining ACU and ACS pages, too, even ''with'' Ubisoft's gap year. :( Anyway, why do you think we should keep "additional"? (Heck, why's the duplicate descriptor/operator even in-game?)<br />re: Creed Points - I'd ask the person who made the Akçe template, [[User:Vatsa1708\|Vatsa1708]], but they've gone dark since June 2016, and judging by [w:c:prototype:Special:Contributions/Vatsa1708\|their activity]] at the ''Prototype'' wiki, they seem to have relocated there since leaving. Unless they're avoiding spoilers? Maybe [[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]]? They've really gone at it with ''Unity'' pics... [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 04:33, December 29, 2017 (UTC)
	::::::I don't really think that it's technically incorrect for there to be a + when the word "additional" is already there. Stylistically, it's a bit redundant, but mathematically, it wouldn't be wrong to write Additional Damage: -25% because you could add a negative value. Hence, writing an integer sign isn't grammatically incorrect even if it might be a bit redundant. I think that staying true to the exact text is the most objective way. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 05:07, December 29, 2017 (UTC)		::::::I don't really think that it's technically incorrect for there to be a + when the word "additional" is already there. Stylistically, it's a bit redundant, but mathematically, it wouldn't be wrong to write Additional Damage: -25% because you could add a negative value. Hence, writing an integer sign isn't grammatically incorrect even if it might be a bit redundant. I think that staying true to the exact text is the most objective way. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 05:07, December 29, 2017 (UTC)

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	==Re:Proposed Deletion of Assassin Guilds & Templar Rites pages==		==Re:Proposed Deletion of Assassin Guilds & Templar Rites pages==
	I didn't really know about the policies regarding the Deletion templates, Thank for the info. And yes, I was actually worried that an admin might delete them all before the discussion was over. That being said, I believe that Bovkaffe should have discussed this first before putting them up. I've written on his talk page, but he hasn't replied yet. I've also made [[Thread:212149\|thread]] so that everyone can discuss this. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 13:30, June 30, 2017 (UTC)		I didn't really know about the policies regarding the Deletion templates, Thank for the info. And yes, I was actually worried that an admin might delete them all before the discussion was over. That being said, I believe that Bovkaffe should have discussed this first before putting them up. I've written on his talk page, but he hasn't replied yet. I've also made [Thread:212149\|thread] so that everyone can discuss this. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 13:30, June 30, 2017 (UTC)

	==Kumi Berko==		==Kumi Berko==

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	I hope I could solve the problem ([http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3AWikia.css&diff=689641&oldid=686695 Changes]).		I hope I could solve the problem ([http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3AWikia.css&diff=689641&oldid=686695 Changes]).
	:: Could you please take a screenshot for your version? Because for me it looks fine.<br />::: Upload the picture on imgur and send me the link or upload the picture on [[w:c:de.cyanides-geschreibsel:Spezial:Bilder\|my test wiki]]. [[User:Cyanide3\|Cyanide3]] 05:55, March 30, 2017 (UTC)		:: Could you please take a screenshot for your version? Because for me it looks fine.<br />::: Upload the picture on imgur and send me the link or upload the picture on [w:c:de.cyanides-geschreibsel:Spezial:Bilder\|my test wiki]]. [[User:Cyanide3\|Cyanide3]] 05:55, March 30, 2017 (UTC)

	==Re:Religion of Organizations==		==Re:Religion of Organizations==

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	<div class="notice metadata" id="talkarchive" style="border-top:2px solid #ddd; border-bottom:2px solid #ddd;" align="right">Archived discussions: [[User talk:Sol Pacificus/Archive 1\|2013–2017]] \| [[User talk:Sol Pacificus/Archive 2\|2018–2020]] \| [[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|Current]]</div>		<div class="notice metadata" id="talkarchive" style="border-top:2px solid #ddd; border-bottom:2px solid #ddd;" align="right">Archived discussions: [[User talk:Sol Pacificus/Archive 1\|2013–2017]] \| [[User talk:Sol Pacificus/Archive 2\|2018–2020]] \| [[User talk:Sol Pacificus/Archive 3\|2021–2023]] \| [[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|Current]]</div>
	{{Welcome}}<br />Feel free to contact me on my talkpage if you need anything. [[User:Master Sima Yi\|Master Sima Yi]] ([[User talk:Master Sima Yi\|talk]]) 12:39, November 10, 2013 (UTC)		{{Welcome}}<br />Feel free to contact me on my talkpage if you need anything. [[User:Master Sima Yi\|Master Sima Yi]] ([[User talk:Master Sima Yi\|talk]]) 12:39, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

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	Hi there,		Hi there,

	I don't think we've spoken before. My name is Jake and I'm a [[Help:Global Discussions moderators\|Global Discussions Mod]]. I just noticed that there were a few discussions closed on the Wiki. I just wondered why you choose this route rather than locking and leaving a comment? I only say this because it can help if you lock and leave a reason the post isn't allowed as to app users, this post just vanishes and quite often they will post it again as it looks like some error. They cannot see the deletion log.		I don't think we've spoken before. My name is Jake and I'm a Help:Global Discussions moderators\|Global Discussions Mod. I just noticed that there were a few discussions closed on the Wiki. I just wondered why you choose this route rather than locking and leaving a comment? I only say this because it can help if you lock and leave a reason the post isn't allowed as to app users, this post just vanishes and quite often they will post it again as it looks like some error. They cannot see the deletion log.

	I look forward to working with you! <span style="border: 3px solid #0892d0; border-radius: 20px; background-color:#045072"> [[User:343 TheGuiltyProphet\|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#ec9901 ">343 TheGuiltyProphet</span> <span style="font-family:Arial;color:#ec9901;"> \| </span>]]<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#ec9901;"> Global Discussions Moderator </span>  </span> 20:42, October 24, 2017 (UTC)		I look forward to working with you! <span style="border: 3px solid #0892d0; border-radius: 20px; background-color:#045072"> [[User:343 TheGuiltyProphet\|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#ec9901 ">343 TheGuiltyProphet</span> <span style="font-family:Arial;color:#ec9901;"> \| </span>]]<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#ec9901;"> Global Discussions Moderator </span>  </span> 20:42, October 24, 2017 (UTC)

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	::I can definitely see your point of view, allowing any random guard to get an article would get quite reduntant. However, this particular case has precedent, as shown by the articles of the American Mentor and Al Mualim (1794), of whom we similarly know very little. In case you're wondering, the French Mentor was indeed mentioned within Maréchal's report, which you can read [[Database: Report on the Recruitment of Mlle. La Maupin\|here]]. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 16:13, October 3, 2017 (UTC)		::I can definitely see your point of view, allowing any random guard to get an article would get quite reduntant. However, this particular case has precedent, as shown by the articles of the American Mentor and Al Mualim (1794), of whom we similarly know very little. In case you're wondering, the French Mentor was indeed mentioned within Maréchal's report, which you can read [[Database: Report on the Recruitment of Mlle. La Maupin\|here]]. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 16:13, October 3, 2017 (UTC)

	== RE: Tracing weapon ~~origins~~ ==		== RE: Tracing weapon origins ==

	Well, thanks :D I've been working on a [http://equipment.wikia.com wiki devoted to military equipment and uniforms] for quite some time. My main motivation to start such wiki was because I was very curious what uniforms and gear are depicted in video games, so I have a lot of experience tracing and identifying stuff on the web. You have to remember, the main point is that ALL information regarding these things is on the web and that game devs always use web sources for reference, that makes the identification possible... it is just a matter of time and stubbornness.		Well, thanks :D I've been working on a [http://equipment.wikia.com wiki devoted to military equipment and uniforms] for quite some time. My main motivation to start such wiki was because I was very curious what uniforms and gear are depicted in video games, so I have a lot of experience tracing and identifying stuff on the web. You have to remember, the main point is that ALL information regarding these things is on the web and that game devs always use web sources for reference, that makes the identification possible... it is just a matter of time and stubbornness.
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	#Appears to be a tribalized [http://www.militaryheritage.com/musket13.htm early 17th century doglock] (stock shape) with brown bess metal ramrod<br />#Generic<br />#Highly decorated [http://totalwar.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Nanomat/Ordnance_%26_Equipment:_1650-1720_Dutch_Musket 1650-1720 Dutch Musket] with this [https://www.google.bg/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F0c%2Fb7%2F2a%2F0cb72aea9ebee8ac25f6aa715baf4fc6.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fpin%2F137219119867243770%2F&docid=xKFHoyQXCV2vSM&tbnid=ORZ3mU-CUFBQXM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjawpD-jt_WAhVhM5oKHemZD3YQMwijASgTMBM..i&w=800&h=402&bih=891&biw=1680&q=17th%20century%20musket&ved=0ahUKEwjawpD-jt_WAhVhM5oKHemZD3YQMwijASgTMBM&iact=mrc&uact=8 style of trigger guard] or [https://www.google.bg/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fk30.kn3.net%2Ftaringa%2FA%2F4%2FC%2FE%2F0%2FE%2FCayoCosades%2F8F1.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Frecodatingonline.cf%2Fhomemade-matchlock-musket&docid=z2qMREI9r3CvYM&tbnid=2qs8B9NpzoL6RM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjsw4Pdnt_WAhVGGZoKHT7ADFIQMwhMKB4wHg..i&w=4433&h=881&bih=635&biw=1366&q=homemade%20matchlock%20musket&ved=0ahUKEwjsw4Pdnt_WAhVGGZoKHT7ADFIQMwhMKB4wHg&iact=mrc&uact=8 this one]<br />#[https://earlymodernmilitary.weebly.com/the-matchlock-musket.html 16th century German matchlock musket] with this [https://www.google.bg/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.militaryheritage.com%2Fimages%2Fmatchlock1.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.militaryheritage.com%2Fmusket15.htm&docid=DKpBpSRWfEUUHM&tbnid=rsYddXN_bTys8M%3A&vet=10ahUKEwiGhYe6nd_WAhUBJ5oKHWJ1CKYQMwgmKAIwAg..i&w=996&h=181&bih=635&biw=1366&q=17th%20century%20musket&ved=0ahUKEwiGhYe6nd_WAhUBJ5oKHWJ1CKYQMwgmKAIwAg&iact=mrc&uact=8#h=181&imgdii=MEz5d-66wTznvM:&vet=10ahUKEwiGhYe6nd_WAhUBJ5oKHWJ1CKYQMwgmKAIwAg..i&w=996 style of trigger guard]<br />#[https://www.google.bg/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fi53.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg53%2FTonyBarton%2Fmore%2520dollies%2FDutch-musket.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.onesixthwarriors.com%2Fforum%2Fsixth-scale-action-figure-news-reviews-and-discussion-%2F79962-musket-mania-wip.html&docid=zxjYzAu3StZXtM&tbnid=v65W93w4FDaAVM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjkoeTviN_WAhVnb5oKHb5vBZMQMwi0ASgaMBo..i&w=800&h=275&bih=891&biw=1680&q=17th%20century%20musket&ved=0ahUKEwjkoeTviN_WAhVnb5oKHb5vBZMQMwi0ASgaMBo&iact=mrc&uact=8 Dutch 1630-1650 musket after example in Utrecht]<br />#Similar to above<br />#Very loosely based on [http://www.militaryheritage.com/musket16.htm 17th century doglock musket] with this [https://www.google.bg/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F0c%2Fb7%2F2a%2F0cb72aea9ebee8ac25f6aa715baf4fc6.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fpin%2F137219119867243770%2F&docid=xKFHoyQXCV2vSM&tbnid=ORZ3mU-CUFBQXM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjawpD-jt_WAhVhM5oKHemZD3YQMwijASgTMBM..i&w=800&h=402&bih=891&biw=1680&q=17th%20century%20musket&ved=0ahUKEwjawpD-jt_WAhVhM5oKHemZD3YQMwijASgTMBM&iact=mrc&uact=8 style of trigger guard] or [https://www.google.bg/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fk30.kn3.net%2Ftaringa%2FA%2F4%2FC%2FE%2F0%2FE%2FCayoCosades%2F8F1.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Frecodatingonline.cf%2Fhomemade-matchlock-musket&docid=z2qMREI9r3CvYM&tbnid=2qs8B9NpzoL6RM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjsw4Pdnt_WAhVGGZoKHT7ADFIQMwhMKB4wHg..i&w=4433&h=881&bih=635&biw=1366&q=homemade%20matchlock%20musket&ved=0ahUKEwjsw4Pdnt_WAhVGGZoKHT7ADFIQMwhMKB4wHg&iact=mrc&uact=8 this one]<br />[[User:Nanomat\|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat\|talk]]) 17:59, October 7, 2017 (UTC)		#Appears to be a tribalized [http://www.militaryheritage.com/musket13.htm early 17th century doglock] (stock shape) with brown bess metal ramrod<br />#Generic<br />#Highly decorated [http://totalwar.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Nanomat/Ordnance_%26_Equipment:_1650-1720_Dutch_Musket 1650-1720 Dutch Musket] with this [https://www.google.bg/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F0c%2Fb7%2F2a%2F0cb72aea9ebee8ac25f6aa715baf4fc6.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fpin%2F137219119867243770%2F&docid=xKFHoyQXCV2vSM&tbnid=ORZ3mU-CUFBQXM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjawpD-jt_WAhVhM5oKHemZD3YQMwijASgTMBM..i&w=800&h=402&bih=891&biw=1680&q=17th%20century%20musket&ved=0ahUKEwjawpD-jt_WAhVhM5oKHemZD3YQMwijASgTMBM&iact=mrc&uact=8 style of trigger guard] or [https://www.google.bg/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fk30.kn3.net%2Ftaringa%2FA%2F4%2FC%2FE%2F0%2FE%2FCayoCosades%2F8F1.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Frecodatingonline.cf%2Fhomemade-matchlock-musket&docid=z2qMREI9r3CvYM&tbnid=2qs8B9NpzoL6RM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjsw4Pdnt_WAhVGGZoKHT7ADFIQMwhMKB4wHg..i&w=4433&h=881&bih=635&biw=1366&q=homemade%20matchlock%20musket&ved=0ahUKEwjsw4Pdnt_WAhVGGZoKHT7ADFIQMwhMKB4wHg&iact=mrc&uact=8 this one]<br />#[https://earlymodernmilitary.weebly.com/the-matchlock-musket.html 16th century German matchlock musket] with this [https://www.google.bg/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.militaryheritage.com%2Fimages%2Fmatchlock1.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.militaryheritage.com%2Fmusket15.htm&docid=DKpBpSRWfEUUHM&tbnid=rsYddXN_bTys8M%3A&vet=10ahUKEwiGhYe6nd_WAhUBJ5oKHWJ1CKYQMwgmKAIwAg..i&w=996&h=181&bih=635&biw=1366&q=17th%20century%20musket&ved=0ahUKEwiGhYe6nd_WAhUBJ5oKHWJ1CKYQMwgmKAIwAg&iact=mrc&uact=8#h=181&imgdii=MEz5d-66wTznvM:&vet=10ahUKEwiGhYe6nd_WAhUBJ5oKHWJ1CKYQMwgmKAIwAg..i&w=996 style of trigger guard]<br />#[https://www.google.bg/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fi53.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg53%2FTonyBarton%2Fmore%2520dollies%2FDutch-musket.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.onesixthwarriors.com%2Fforum%2Fsixth-scale-action-figure-news-reviews-and-discussion-%2F79962-musket-mania-wip.html&docid=zxjYzAu3StZXtM&tbnid=v65W93w4FDaAVM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjkoeTviN_WAhVnb5oKHb5vBZMQMwi0ASgaMBo..i&w=800&h=275&bih=891&biw=1680&q=17th%20century%20musket&ved=0ahUKEwjkoeTviN_WAhVnb5oKHb5vBZMQMwi0ASgaMBo&iact=mrc&uact=8 Dutch 1630-1650 musket after example in Utrecht]<br />#Similar to above<br />#Very loosely based on [http://www.militaryheritage.com/musket16.htm 17th century doglock musket] with this [https://www.google.bg/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F0c%2Fb7%2F2a%2F0cb72aea9ebee8ac25f6aa715baf4fc6.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fpin%2F137219119867243770%2F&docid=xKFHoyQXCV2vSM&tbnid=ORZ3mU-CUFBQXM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjawpD-jt_WAhVhM5oKHemZD3YQMwijASgTMBM..i&w=800&h=402&bih=891&biw=1680&q=17th%20century%20musket&ved=0ahUKEwjawpD-jt_WAhVhM5oKHemZD3YQMwijASgTMBM&iact=mrc&uact=8 style of trigger guard] or [https://www.google.bg/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fk30.kn3.net%2Ftaringa%2FA%2F4%2FC%2FE%2F0%2FE%2FCayoCosades%2F8F1.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Frecodatingonline.cf%2Fhomemade-matchlock-musket&docid=z2qMREI9r3CvYM&tbnid=2qs8B9NpzoL6RM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjsw4Pdnt_WAhVGGZoKHT7ADFIQMwhMKB4wHg..i&w=4433&h=881&bih=635&biw=1366&q=homemade%20matchlock%20musket&ved=0ahUKEwjsw4Pdnt_WAhVGGZoKHT7ADFIQMwhMKB4wHg&iact=mrc&uact=8 this one]<br />[[User:Nanomat\|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat\|talk]]) 17:59, October 7, 2017 (UTC)

	== Explaining Religious ~~Affiliations~~ ==		== Explaining Religious Affiliations ==

	Thank you for the insight. Should we ad a page for '''Apophis'''... the Egyptian Serpent Deity given the fact that an extremely large Cobra like desert serpant appears in Assassins Creed Origins? [[User:Callum Konstantin\|Callum Konstantin]] ([[User talk:Callum Konstantin\|Talk]]) 14:21, October 7, 2017 (UTC)		Thank you for the insight. Should we ad a page for '''Apophis'''... the Egyptian Serpent Deity given the fact that an extremely large Cobra like desert serpant appears in Assassins Creed Origins? [[User:Callum Konstantin\|Callum Konstantin]] ([[User talk:Callum Konstantin\|Talk]]) 14:21, October 7, 2017 (UTC)
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	I don't think we've spoken before. My name is Jake and I'm a [[Help:Global Discussions moderators\|Global Discussions Mod]]. I just noticed that there were a few discussions closed on the Wiki. I just wondered why you choose this route rather than locking and leaving a comment? I only say this because it can help if you lock and leave a reason the post isn't allowed as to app users, this post just vanishes and quite often they will post it again as it looks like some error. They cannot see the deletion log.		I don't think we've spoken before. My name is Jake and I'm a [[Help:Global Discussions moderators\|Global Discussions Mod]]. I just noticed that there were a few discussions closed on the Wiki. I just wondered why you choose this route rather than locking and leaving a comment? I only say this because it can help if you lock and leave a reason the post isn't allowed as to app users, this post just vanishes and quite often they will post it again as it looks like some error. They cannot see the deletion log.

	I look forward to working with you! <span style="border: 3px solid #0892d0; border-radius: 20px; background-color:#045072"> [[User:343 TheGuiltyProphet\|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#ec9901 ">343 TheGuiltyProphet</span> <span style="font-family:Arial;color:#ec9901;"> \| </span>]]~~[[Help:Global_Discussions_moderators\|~~<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#ec9901;"> Global Discussions Moderator </span>]]  ~~</span><span style="margin-left: -11px">https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/central/images/4/40/Badge-GlobalDiscussionsModerator.svg/revision/latest?cb=20171014002021~~</span> 20:42, October 24, 2017 (UTC)		I look forward to working with you! <span style="border: 3px solid #0892d0; border-radius: 20px; background-color:#045072"> [[User:343 TheGuiltyProphet\|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#ec9901 ">343 TheGuiltyProphet</span> <span style="font-family:Arial;color:#ec9901;"> \| </span>]]<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#ec9901;"> Global Discussions Moderator </span>  </span> 20:42, October 24, 2017 (UTC)
	:Hey Jake,		:Hey Jake,
	:There's really no need for formalities; we've actually chatted several times on Discord before. While I agree with you, I thought that an exception could be made for spam posts which was indeed how I interpreted at least two of the posts. These were the one titled "Time traveling assassins" by Green1nig whose only content was "the title says it all" and IAMArnodorian's question as to the day of ''Origins'' release in Australia. The latter should be easily known because it is the same day for all countries, at least officially. I suppose it might have been an honest question giving it a second thought now, and I probably let my prior experiences with this user's posts affect my judgment. The same therefore goes for his other post titled "Abstergo SPOILERS". I couldn't help but, in haste, think that it was an insignificant, trivial question, and was eager to streamline the content of the board. I think Green1nig's spam post may have clouded my judgment of IAMArnodorian's posts perhaps. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:57, October 24, 2017 (UTC)		:There's really no need for formalities; we've actually chatted several times on Discord before. While I agree with you, I thought that an exception could be made for spam posts which was indeed how I interpreted at least two of the posts. These were the one titled "Time traveling assassins" by Green1nig whose only content was "the title says it all" and IAMArnodorian's question as to the day of ''Origins'' release in Australia. The latter should be easily known because it is the same day for all countries, at least officially. I suppose it might have been an honest question giving it a second thought now, and I probably let my prior experiences with this user's posts affect my judgment. The same therefore goes for his other post titled "Abstergo SPOILERS". I couldn't help but, in haste, think that it was an insignificant, trivial question, and was eager to streamline the content of the board. I think Green1nig's spam post may have clouded my judgment of IAMArnodorian's posts perhaps. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:57, October 24, 2017 (UTC)
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	You make a good point, I didn't think about that. However, after a while, we'll end up having numerous characters whose death dates would need to be added. With the removal of the "no spoilers" policy at the time of the game's release, I think it's fine to add it in at this point. I've also accidentally chanced upon spoilers in the past, so I know the feeling. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 12:17, November 21, 2017 (UTC)		You make a good point, I didn't think about that. However, after a while, we'll end up having numerous characters whose death dates would need to be added. With the removal of the "no spoilers" policy at the time of the game's release, I think it's fine to add it in at this point. I've also accidentally chanced upon spoilers in the past, so I know the feeling. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 12:17, November 21, 2017 (UTC)

	== Thank You mate. ==		== Thank You mate. ==

	Thank you for the message and for giving me new info about wki policies. And armed with this knowledge, I can better understand the working of this fantastic wiki...definitely my most favorite franchise. And truly sorry for disturbing your work. Honestly had I known, I wouldnt've interfered. ;) [[User:Callum Konstantin\|Callum Konstantin]] ([[User talk:Callum Konstantin\|Talk]]) 15:02, November 22, 2017 (UTC)<br />:No worries Callum! As I said, no harm was done. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:22, November 22, 2017 (UTC)		Thank you for the message and for giving me new info about wki policies. And armed with this knowledge, I can better understand the working of this fantastic wiki...definitely my most favorite franchise. And truly sorry for disturbing your work. Honestly had I known, I wouldnt've interfered. ;) [[User:Callum Konstantin\|Callum Konstantin]] ([[User talk:Callum Konstantin\|Talk]]) 15:02, November 22, 2017 (UTC)<br />:No worries Callum! As I said, no harm was done. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:22, November 22, 2017 (UTC)

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	{{Welcome}}<br />Feel free to contact me on my talkpage if you need anything. [[User:Master Sima Yi\|Master Sima Yi]] ([[User talk:Master Sima Yi\|talk]]) 12:39, November 10, 2013 (UTC)		{{Welcome}}<br />Feel free to contact me on my talkpage if you need anything. [[User:Master Sima Yi\|Master Sima Yi]] ([[User talk:Master Sima Yi\|talk]]) 12:39, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

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	: There are various types of two handed swords like Chinese or even Japanese katanas can be two handed. However, in the European context, the Scottish Claymore and the German Zweihander are the most ''prominent'' two handed sword types. The Scottish Claymore type definitely appears to lack the secondary grip and all of the claymores I have seen are the typical massive bladed with no details on the blade single grip swords. Zweihanders on the other hand ''can'' be with single grip or with dual grips. Is the secondary grip exclusive to the Zweihander? No, as we have already seen with the Indian two handed sword used for inspiration for the [[Viking's Remains]], it is perfectly possible for swords from various cultures to have dual grips. The thing is, in the European context, if a given two handed sword is not of Scottish claymore type then it is most definitely a Zweihander as there are no other two handed swords in the European context, at least which I know of. [[User:Nanomat\|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat\|talk]]) 21:22, November 5, 2017 (UTC)		: There are various types of two handed swords like Chinese or even Japanese katanas can be two handed. However, in the European context, the Scottish Claymore and the German Zweihander are the most ''prominent'' two handed sword types. The Scottish Claymore type definitely appears to lack the secondary grip and all of the claymores I have seen are the typical massive bladed with no details on the blade single grip swords. Zweihanders on the other hand ''can'' be with single grip or with dual grips. Is the secondary grip exclusive to the Zweihander? No, as we have already seen with the Indian two handed sword used for inspiration for the [[Viking's Remains]], it is perfectly possible for swords from various cultures to have dual grips. The thing is, in the European context, if a given two handed sword is not of Scottish claymore type then it is most definitely a Zweihander as there are no other two handed swords in the European context, at least which I know of. [[User:Nanomat\|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat\|talk]]) 21:22, November 5, 2017 (UTC)

	:::Actually there is also another type of European two handed sword I forgot, the [[Wikipedia:Longsword\|Longsword]] or bastard sword. This kind of sword is simply a classical medieval sword but oversized and meant to be used with two hands, though the term bastard sword sometimes is used ambiguously and refers to what is known as hand and a hald sword which is something in between the single handed and two handed swords. Typical AC examples of longsword/bastard are the [[Bastard Sword]] and the [[Broadsword]].~~<br />~~:::I did further research and now I can clarify the Zweihander distinction. The unsharpened part of the blade which is used as secondary grip is known as [[Wikipedia:Ricasso\|Ricasso]]. The secondary crossguard however is known as [http://myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.18719.html Parierhaken], a German term. The fact that the term is German and that I have seen parierhaken only on German/Swiss Zweihanders is clead indication that most of the two handed swords in AC are modeled after the German Zweihander type.~~<br />~~:::And another thing, the [[Prussian Longsword]]/[[Spada Lunga]] also appears to be Zweihander inspired, though [http://wiki.ghiaccioefuoco.com/view/Spada_lunga Spada Lunga] is an Italian term which is also ambiguously used for both single handed and two handed swords. [[User:Nanomat\|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat\|talk]]) 19:37, November 6, 2017 (UTC)		:::Actually there is also another type of European two handed sword I forgot, the [[Wikipedia:Longsword\|Longsword]] or bastard sword. This kind of sword is simply a classical medieval sword but oversized and meant to be used with two hands, though the term bastard sword sometimes is used ambiguously and refers to what is known as hand and a hald sword which is something in between the single handed and two handed swords. Typical AC examples of longsword/bastard are the [[Bastard Sword]] and the [[Broadsword]].
			:::I did further research and now I can clarify the Zweihander distinction. The unsharpened part of the blade which is used as secondary grip is known as [[Wikipedia:Ricasso\|Ricasso]]. The secondary crossguard however is known as [http://myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.18719.html Parierhaken], a German term. The fact that the term is German and that I have seen parierhaken only on German/Swiss Zweihanders is clead indication that most of the two handed swords in AC are modeled after the German Zweihander type.
			:::And another thing, the [[Prussian Longsword]]/[[Spada Lunga]] also appears to be Zweihander inspired, though [http://wiki.ghiaccioefuoco.com/view/Spada_lunga Spada Lunga] is an Italian term which is also ambiguously used for both single handed and two handed swords. [[User:Nanomat\|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat\|talk]]) 19:37, November 6, 2017 (UTC)

	== RE: Cinquedeas ==		== RE: Cinquedeas ==

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	:::Hope all's well with you, [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 02:34, December 28, 2017 (UTC)		:::Hope all's well with you, [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 02:34, December 28, 2017 (UTC)
	::::Hey Darman, to be honest I forgot about your suggestion with the Creed symbols. I think it'd be preferable to include them, but at this moment, I am preoccupied with ''Origins'' articles which must take paramount priority. I am currently about the only editor active in writing articles on that game's lore although [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] is helping out immensely with ''Origins''<nowiki>'</nowiki> weapons. As they stand, working on ''Unity'' weapon pages any further would have to take the lowest priority for me, but I really appreciate you reminding me of the matter. As for the + symbol being redundant with the word "Additional" already present, I actually took the text exactly it appears in the game, and I would prefer to keep it that way. Thanks for asking about it though; it's a good catch! [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 08:08, December 28, 2017 (UTC)		::::Hey Darman, to be honest I forgot about your suggestion with the Creed symbols. I think it'd be preferable to include them, but at this moment, I am preoccupied with ''Origins'' articles which must take paramount priority. I am currently about the only editor active in writing articles on that game's lore although [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] is helping out immensely with ''Origins''<nowiki>'</nowiki> weapons. As they stand, working on ''Unity'' weapon pages any further would have to take the lowest priority for me, but I really appreciate you reminding me of the matter. As for the + symbol being redundant with the word "Additional" already present, I actually took the text exactly it appears in the game, and I would prefer to keep it that way. Thanks for asking about it though; it's a good catch! [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 08:08, December 28, 2017 (UTC)
	:::::Sol,<br />Makes sense ACO is the priority, given its recent release. And we were ''so close'' to finishing the remaining ACU and ACS pages, too, even ''with'' Ubisoft's gap year. :( Anyway, why do you think we should keep "additional"? (Heck, why's the duplicate descriptor/operator even in-game?)<br />re: Creed Points - I'd ask the person who made the Akçe template, [[User:Vatsa1708\|Vatsa1708]], but they've gone dark since June 2016, and judging by [[w:c:prototype:Special:Contributions/Vatsa1708\|their activity]] at the ''Prototype'' wiki, they seem to have relocated there since leaving. Unless they're avoiding spoilers? Maybe [[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]]? They've really gone at it with ''Unity'' pics... [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 04:33, December 29, 2017 (UTC)		:::::Sol,<br />Makes sense ACO is the priority, given its recent release. And we were ''so close'' to finishing the remaining ACU and ACS pages, too, even ''with'' Ubisoft's gap year. :( Anyway, why do you think we should keep "additional"? (Heck, why's the duplicate descriptor/operator even in-game?)<br />re: Creed Points - I'd ask the person who made the Akçe template, [[User:Vatsa1708\|Vatsa1708]], but they've gone dark since June 2016, and judging by [w:c:prototype:Special:Contributions/Vatsa1708\|their activity]] at the ''Prototype'' wiki, they seem to have relocated there since leaving. Unless they're avoiding spoilers? Maybe [[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]]? They've really gone at it with ''Unity'' pics... [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 04:33, December 29, 2017 (UTC)
	::::::I don't really think that it's technically incorrect for there to be a + when the word "additional" is already there. Stylistically, it's a bit redundant, but mathematically, it wouldn't be wrong to write Additional Damage: -25% because you could add a negative value. Hence, writing an integer sign isn't grammatically incorrect even if it might be a bit redundant. I think that staying true to the exact text is the most objective way. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 05:07, December 29, 2017 (UTC)		::::::I don't really think that it's technically incorrect for there to be a + when the word "additional" is already there. Stylistically, it's a bit redundant, but mathematically, it wouldn't be wrong to write Additional Damage: -25% because you could add a negative value. Hence, writing an integer sign isn't grammatically incorrect even if it might be a bit redundant. I think that staying true to the exact text is the most objective way. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 05:07, December 29, 2017 (UTC)