User talk:Sol Pacificus - Revision history

Soranin at 14:20, 20 May 2026

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	::3) In future, if we see any similar situations, these are the actions I'm going to be taking: if somebody is suspected of being a sock of anybody else, I can do checks and confirm whether or not they are a sock. If it comes up that they are, and are bypassing an existing block, I will let you know, and we can deal with that as necessary. If they do not come up as being a sock, but their activity has been troll-ish and demands a block, they should be blocked, so a non-match should make no real difference since any accounts would be blocked anyway. And if any other accounts use the names of other editors, those accounts will be banned for impersonation regardless of any checks, as using somebody's exact same name isn't something that I'd consider acceptable in any online community (checks can still happen, of course, to determine if it's an offense based on a prior block - but a ban would be in place no matter what).		::3) In future, if we see any similar situations, these are the actions I'm going to be taking: if somebody is suspected of being a sock of anybody else, I can do checks and confirm whether or not they are a sock. If it comes up that they are, and are bypassing an existing block, I will let you know, and we can deal with that as necessary. If they do not come up as being a sock, but their activity has been troll-ish and demands a block, they should be blocked, so a non-match should make no real difference since any accounts would be blocked anyway. And if any other accounts use the names of other editors, those accounts will be banned for impersonation regardless of any checks, as using somebody's exact same name isn't something that I'd consider acceptable in any online community (checks can still happen, of course, to determine if it's an offense based on a prior block - but a ban would be in place no matter what).

	:Other than the above, I have also just enabled the [[Help:Discussions AbuseFilter\|Discussions AbuseFilter]] for the wiki, and as a protective measure, will be adding a common filter for Discussions + comments that should prevent very nasty words from being part of a message, which I think would've helped with those nasty messages some of you saw and reported to me (it won't stop every troll, but should definitely be of assistance here and there).		:Other than the above, I have also just enabled the [Help:Discussions AbuseFilter\|Discussions AbuseFilter]] for the wiki, and as a protective measure, will be adding a common filter for Discussions + comments that should prevent very nasty words from being part of a message, which I think would've helped with those nasty messages some of you saw and reported to me (it won't stop every troll, but should definitely be of assistance here and there).

	:I hope this alleviates some concerns people have had with all of this, and I do apologize if aspects of this have felt too prolonged to some of you. Situations like these are the least fun part of wiki editing, and Fandom has some interesting things in the pipeline (some feature experiments + other surprises) which I would hate to see overshadowed by this specific issue remaining a big thing. If anyone has extra questions or something else to raise, I'm happy to assist. (I'd only ask that maybe you reach out to me via [[User_talk:ReverieCode\|my talk page]] or Discord rather than here, so that Sol doesn't have to get all these notifications if the message is actually directed to me.) --–[[User:ReverieCode\|ReverieCode]] <staff/> 09:47, 8 April 2024 (UTC)		:I hope this alleviates some concerns people have had with all of this, and I do apologize if aspects of this have felt too prolonged to some of you. Situations like these are the least fun part of wiki editing, and Fandom has some interesting things in the pipeline (some feature experiments + other surprises) which I would hate to see overshadowed by this specific issue remaining a big thing. If anyone has extra questions or something else to raise, I'm happy to assist. (I'd only ask that maybe you reach out to me via [[User_talk:ReverieCode\|my talk page]] or Discord rather than here, so that Sol doesn't have to get all these notifications if the message is actually directed to me.) --–[[User:ReverieCode\|ReverieCode]] <staff/> 09:47, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

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Soranin at 03:59, 9 May 2026

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	::::::What you're describing is circumstantial evidence. While we certainly can't ''rule out'' a connection, pleas be cautious in making conclusions about who is behind a new account based on their name and knowledge. There are certainly people other than MedievalVibes who know about the previous issues, and who may wish to stir up trouble. -- [[User:Kirkburn\|Kirkburn]] ([[User talk:Kirkburn\|talk]]) <staff/> 14:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC)		::::::What you're describing is circumstantial evidence. While we certainly can't ''rule out'' a connection, pleas be cautious in making conclusions about who is behind a new account based on their name and knowledge. There are certainly people other than MedievalVibes who know about the previous issues, and who may wish to stir up trouble. -- [[User:Kirkburn\|Kirkburn]] ([[User talk:Kirkburn\|talk]]) <staff/> 14:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

	Since I did not see the comments, I cannot verify how bad they were, but based on how you're describing them, I ''thought'' I had encountered Medieval2 via their equally-crude reply regarding both myself and Sol when they edited François-Thomas Germain's page. However, looking again at the page history and the user's block log, it actually was a sock of this site's [[User ~~blog~~:Soranin/An Encyclopaedic Tale\|persistent thorn]] BatAlex, who so far as I know is unrelated to Medieval. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 04:05, 5 April 2024 (UTC)		Since I did not see the comments, I cannot verify how bad they were, but based on how you're describing them, I ''thought'' I had encountered Medieval2 via their equally-crude reply regarding both myself and Sol when they edited François-Thomas Germain's page. However, looking again at the page history and the user's block log, it actually was a sock of this site's [[User:Soranin/An Encyclopaedic Tale\|persistent thorn]] BatAlex, who so far as I know is unrelated to Medieval. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 04:05, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

	:Hey everyone. I wanted to add a few comments of my own here - I've spoken to Sol about this situation in private, but wanted to share some points for clarification on this issue, as I'm aware aspects of this have been a source of stress for people for a long while. So:		:Hey everyone. I wanted to add a few comments of my own here - I've spoken to Sol about this situation in private, but wanted to share some points for clarification on this issue, as I'm aware aspects of this have been a source of stress for people for a long while. So:

imported>Piedpiper100: /* Why my post isn't showing in general? */ new section

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	Hello, I've come back to Discord recently and just joined the server @.wkrghost. Just dropping this message to confirm that that is me and not an imposter. [[User:.WKR\|.WKR]] ([[User talk:.WKR\|talk]]) 03:09, 12 November 2024 (UTC)		Hello, I've come back to Discord recently and just joined the server @.wkrghost. Just dropping this message to confirm that that is me and not an imposter. [[User:.WKR\|.WKR]] ([[User talk:.WKR\|talk]]) 03:09, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

			== Why my post isn't showing in general? ==

			Hi, I've been trying to post something about my ideas for next AC setting in general but my entire post is getting filtered without any reason? I thought maybe you can help me with this? Here's the link to my post: https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000137846.

imported>.WKR: /* Discord */ new section

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	:*Your third line says that the Templars established the church in the period (of 5000 BCE to 3300 BCE). When Germain says "the Church", he is referring to the Catholic Church and then by metaphorical extension, to religious authority in general. But the Templars certainly didn't invent "the Church" between 5000 BCE and 3300 BCE because that is long before Christianity was founded.		:*Your third line says that the Templars established the church in the period (of 5000 BCE to 3300 BCE). When Germain says "the Church", he is referring to the Catholic Church and then by metaphorical extension, to religious authority in general. But the Templars certainly didn't invent "the Church" between 5000 BCE and 3300 BCE because that is long before Christianity was founded.
	:For my last edit, I tried to move Germain's description into the early history rather than the prehistory section while fixing its meaning. But I wrote it hastily, so it may not be as succinct as I would like. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:51, 6 October 2024 (UTC)		:For my last edit, I tried to move Germain's description into the early history rather than the prehistory section while fixing its meaning. But I wrote it hastily, so it may not be as succinct as I would like. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:51, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

			== Discord ==

			Hello, I've come back to Discord recently and just joined the server @.wkrghost. Just dropping this message to confirm that that is me and not an imposter. [[User:.WKR\|.WKR]] ([[User talk:.WKR\|talk]]) 03:09, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* States */

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	For centuries we've focused our attentions on the trappings of power: the titles of nobility, the offices of Church and State. So obsessed with clinging to the trappings of power we abandoned our purpose. Caught in the very lie we crafted to shepherd the masses.		For centuries we've focused our attentions on the trappings of power: the titles of nobility, the offices of Church and State. So obsessed with clinging to the trappings of power we abandoned our purpose. Caught in the very lie we crafted to shepherd the masses.
	For the simplicity of our discussion, lets simply get ahead of the expected edit war and discuss how we understand this quote. [[User:ACsenior\|ACsenior]] ([[User talk:ACsenior\|talk]]) 07:10, 5 October 2024 (UTC)		For the simplicity of our discussion, lets simply get ahead of the expected edit war and discuss how we understand this quote. [[User:ACsenior\|ACsenior]] ([[User talk:ACsenior\|talk]]) 07:10, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
			:Oh, I missed that you had already messaged me on the talk page about this beforehand. As I explained in my edit summaries, Germain is describing how the Templars prior to him had always operated by using the nobility and clergy classes as puppets to control state governments and therefore the world. Germain's innovation was to finally overturn this millennia-old practice by abandoning the nobility and clergy for a new class which would serve as the Templars' disguise from then on. This new class is the middle class, or what the socialists would come to call the bourgeoisie. Germain is laying the foundation for Abstergo Industries.

			:The thing is that nowhere in this line does he mention the Templars inventing states for humanity, only using religion and states as sources of power. As well, he also doesn't give a time frame for how long the Templars have been doing that, besides noting it has been "centuries". Especially with the retcon in the RPG trilogy, we technically can't even be sure he was referring all the way back to Order of the Ancient times, or even further before Smenkhkare to the time of Cain. (We do know that the Order of the Ancients also controlled countries through nobles and religious figures, but I just mean we don't know the time frame Germain himself is talking about.)

			:I mentioned also that states are natural developments that arise from human association. The state is a basic unit of political organization. Anytime there is a population who forms an organized society with a sense of territoriality (borders do not have to be precisely defined), some form of structure (can be as simple as "tribal"), and an authority that determines inappropriate forms of violence within the community (i.e. when fighting or killing each other is wrong), that is a state. A state is also defined scientifically and objectively, regardless of its status in the wider world or whether other countries perceive it as a country and even regardless of whether or not they call themselves a country.

			:Your claim is that Templars invented states (for humanity), and that doesn't make much sense to me by the political science definition of the state. It is not impossible if you attribute this to Cain, as the son of Eve and Adam, so that he immediately created the first human state after the rebellion, but no ''Assassin's Creed'' source supports this, and it would be even more dubious now with the RPG retcon. Germain doesn't mention state formation or Cain at all.

			:Regarding edit warring, I like your initiative in contacting me right away about it. I generally don't count it as edit warring if editors are working towards a compromise via their edits as opposed to flat-out reverts. This involves communication through edit summaries and trying one's best to make room for the other party's edit in some way. There are also a certain number (more than 3) reverts before it officially constitutes a count of edit warring. I tend to be fine with editing one after another while talking it out through edit summaries, which is why I write longer edit summaries, but it's always good to take it to a talk page.

			:To restate my other reasons for my dispute though:
			:*You re-added the wording "the world's states" despite clarifying to me in your summary that you were excluding Isu states. Isu are part of the world though and predate Templars, so the sentence as worded is still false.
			:*The next line citing to Wikipedia only tells us when states were formed. It doesn't provide any support for the claim that Templars invented states, which would also require an actual ''Assassin's Creed'' source since real-world sources would contradict that claim. As well, although we now permit using external sources and are lenient with citing Wikipedia, I also am not comfortable with this usage because state formation is a complex topic that requires more than a Wikipedia reading to understand (e.g. the idea states arose c. 5000 BCE is also debatable), and I have access to scholarly sources on the subject if you would like help with it.
			:*Your third line says that the Templars established the church in the period (of 5000 BCE to 3300 BCE). When Germain says "the Church", he is referring to the Catholic Church and then by metaphorical extension, to religious authority in general. But the Templars certainly didn't invent "the Church" between 5000 BCE and 3300 BCE because that is long before Christianity was founded.
			:For my last edit, I tried to move Germain's description into the early history rather than the prehistory section while fixing its meaning. But I wrote it hastily, so it may not be as succinct as I would like. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:51, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

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	While my proposal for a Hermetics nav template passed even without taking part aside from a message to you after seeing the debates, until I am done with my project as a whole, there's one thing that would very much help organising the Templar pages and that is to include an Abstergo nav template within the already existing Templar nav template. Because Templar pages in general does currently not correspond to any Abstergo positions in the modern day in general, these corporate positions are just mention in passing mostly. Less of an issue on individual Templar pages-Alan Rikkin-but more on pages like of Templar ranks.[[User:ACsenior\|ACsenior]] ([[User talk:ACsenior\|talk]]) 21:27, 22 September 2024 (UTC)		While my proposal for a Hermetics nav template passed even without taking part aside from a message to you after seeing the debates, until I am done with my project as a whole, there's one thing that would very much help organising the Templar pages and that is to include an Abstergo nav template within the already existing Templar nav template. Because Templar pages in general does currently not correspond to any Abstergo positions in the modern day in general, these corporate positions are just mention in passing mostly. Less of an issue on individual Templar pages-Alan Rikkin-but more on pages like of Templar ranks.[[User:ACsenior\|ACsenior]] ([[User talk:ACsenior\|talk]]) 21:27, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
	:This is a fair proposal. I actually have not been so involved in the structuring of navigation boxes even though once in a while editors have asked me about it. I guess it is about time I stop neglecting this, but we will have to ask some of the other editors who have talked more about how navboxes should be organized to get a sense of where our wiki is at about it right now. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:05, 4 October 2024 (UTC)		:This is a fair proposal. I actually have not been so involved in the structuring of navigation boxes even though once in a while editors have asked me about it. I guess it is about time I stop neglecting this, but we will have to ask some of the other editors who have talked more about how navboxes should be organized to get a sense of where our wiki is at about it right now. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:05, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
			Great, I`d rather focus on the articles than solving this myself. So the feedback is appreciated. [[User:ACsenior\|ACsenior]] ([[User talk:ACsenior\|talk]]) 07:10, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

			==States==
			For centuries we've focused our attentions on the trappings of power: the titles of nobility, the offices of Church and State. So obsessed with clinging to the trappings of power we abandoned our purpose. Caught in the very lie we crafted to shepherd the masses.
			For the simplicity of our discussion, lets simply get ahead of the expected edit war and discuss how we understand this quote. [[User:ACsenior\|ACsenior]] ([[User talk:ACsenior\|talk]]) 07:10, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* New Wiki Order project */

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New Wiki Order project

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	While my proposal for a Hermetics nav template passed even without taking part aside from a message to you after seeing the debates, until I am done with my project as a whole, there's one thing that would very much help organising the Templar pages and that is to include an Abstergo nav template within the already existing Templar nav template. Because Templar pages in general does currently not correspond to any Abstergo positions in the modern day in general, these corporate positions are just mention in passing mostly. Less of an issue on individual Templar pages-Alan Rikkin-but more on pages like of Templar ranks.[[User:ACsenior\|ACsenior]] ([[User talk:ACsenior\|talk]]) 21:27, 22 September 2024 (UTC)		While my proposal for a Hermetics nav template passed even without taking part aside from a message to you after seeing the debates, until I am done with my project as a whole, there's one thing that would very much help organising the Templar pages and that is to include an Abstergo nav template within the already existing Templar nav template. Because Templar pages in general does currently not correspond to any Abstergo positions in the modern day in general, these corporate positions are just mention in passing mostly. Less of an issue on individual Templar pages-Alan Rikkin-but more on pages like of Templar ranks.[[User:ACsenior\|ACsenior]] ([[User talk:ACsenior\|talk]]) 21:27, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
			:This is a fair proposal. I actually have not been so involved in the structuring of navigation boxes even though once in a while editors have asked me about it. I guess it is about time I stop neglecting this, but we will have to ask some of the other editors who have talked more about how navboxes should be organized to get a sense of where our wiki is at about it right now. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:05, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Absence again */

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Absence again

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	On a separate issue entirely, I am still working on the Templar pages, I just do so on Notes on my MacBook between my free time and the responsibilities I currently have, and I have a lot of responsibilities that I have taken on me. So I can not promise when it is done, just that it will be eventually. [[User:ACsenior\|ACsenior]] ([[User talk:ACsenior\|talk]]) 14:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)		On a separate issue entirely, I am still working on the Templar pages, I just do so on Notes on my MacBook between my free time and the responsibilities I currently have, and I have a lot of responsibilities that I have taken on me. So I can not promise when it is done, just that it will be eventually. [[User:ACsenior\|ACsenior]] ([[User talk:ACsenior\|talk]]) 14:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
			:Hello ACSenior, sorry for not getting back to you in a little while. I was reviewing the whole discussion regarding the Assassin branches first, but since it sounds like you agree with the consensus, that wasn't necessary. And take your time with the Templar pages! Pretty much almost all of us are too swamped with adult responsibilities now to contribute as much as we would like. So we're all on the same boat. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:00, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

	== Almogavars-Varangian mix up ==		== Almogavars-Varangian mix up ==

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Excuse me

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	:::FYI, Jasca was already permanently banned on Wookieepedia for behavioral issues and edit warring prior to joining this Wiki. He had also received several warnings and bans from other admins here, including [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/User:Master_Sima_Yi Sima] and [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/User:Amnestyyy Amnestyyy]. His final ban was conducted after internal deliberation between admins.<br/><br/>To be honest, I find your entire message very disingenuous as well as cynical, especially the "this is a wiki, not a social media" part. This wiki may not be standard social media like the others, but it does feature several other ways for fans to interact (like the discussion forums, for example). This is not just a wiki but also a meeting place, and in order to keep things cool we need to set some boundaries because sockpuppets and trolls are everywhere; this is just what is right. If we are still in an impasse with MV it's because not only has he refused to listen to advice but he continues to show no signs of remorse whatsoever.<br/><br/>Now, if the staff is considered to be at fault in any way, it'd be in accepting MV as a mod in a way it isn't usually done. And despite some misgivings about his intents in joining, the staff accepted him. Now, you as an acquaintance of his only strengthens the view that MV is not really reflecting on the situation. Complains like this has been publicly addressed by Sol before but somehow these always end up being totally missed.<br/>[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 08:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)		:::FYI, Jasca was already permanently banned on Wookieepedia for behavioral issues and edit warring prior to joining this Wiki. He had also received several warnings and bans from other admins here, including [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/User:Master_Sima_Yi Sima] and [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/User:Amnestyyy Amnestyyy]. His final ban was conducted after internal deliberation between admins.<br/><br/>To be honest, I find your entire message very disingenuous as well as cynical, especially the "this is a wiki, not a social media" part. This wiki may not be standard social media like the others, but it does feature several other ways for fans to interact (like the discussion forums, for example). This is not just a wiki but also a meeting place, and in order to keep things cool we need to set some boundaries because sockpuppets and trolls are everywhere; this is just what is right. If we are still in an impasse with MV it's because not only has he refused to listen to advice but he continues to show no signs of remorse whatsoever.<br/><br/>Now, if the staff is considered to be at fault in any way, it'd be in accepting MV as a mod in a way it isn't usually done. And despite some misgivings about his intents in joining, the staff accepted him. Now, you as an acquaintance of his only strengthens the view that MV is not really reflecting on the situation. Complains like this has been publicly addressed by Sol before but somehow these always end up being totally missed.<br/>[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 08:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

			chill pyrrhic, my reply to Edward wasn't supposed to escalate things to this level, it was only meant to be helpful. Right or wrong, Sol obviously doesn't intend on replying so just leave him be. Randomly reviving this nearly 2 months later doesn't help [[User:.WKR\|.WKR]] ([[User talk:.WKR\|talk]]) 00:58, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

	== New Wiki Order project ==		== New Wiki Order project ==
	While my proposal for a Hermetics nav template passed even without taking part aside from a message to you after seeing the debates, until I am done with my project as a whole, there's one thing that would very much help organising the Templar pages and that is to include an Abstergo nav template within the already existing Templar nav template. Because Templar pages in general does currently not correspond to any Abstergo positions in the modern day in general, these corporate positions are just mention in passing mostly. Less of an issue on individual Templar pages-Alan Rikkin-but more on pages like of Templar ranks.[[User:ACsenior\|ACsenior]] ([[User talk:ACsenior\|talk]]) 21:27, 22 September 2024 (UTC)		While my proposal for a Hermetics nav template passed even without taking part aside from a message to you after seeing the debates, until I am done with my project as a whole, there's one thing that would very much help organising the Templar pages and that is to include an Abstergo nav template within the already existing Templar nav template. Because Templar pages in general does currently not correspond to any Abstergo positions in the modern day in general, these corporate positions are just mention in passing mostly. Less of an issue on individual Templar pages-Alan Rikkin-but more on pages like of Templar ranks.[[User:ACsenior\|ACsenior]] ([[User talk:ACsenior\|talk]]) 21:27, 22 September 2024 (UTC)