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	::::::::We can take it to a discussion, but I think most people do not want to bother with it anyways and would sooner like to have it removed entirely, hence why I wanted to take the initiative to see if we can make it work first. With that having been said, your point really isn't much of a justification. There are barely any articles with media appearances boxes, and even if every page on a video game does have it, that is only at most about a dozen. The need to correct the lists after the change could come before or after, better after even, and it would be swift and easy. Either way, we'd have to correct it before or after the change no matter what, so I don't see how your point is much of a justification to make this so unnecessarily difficult, over what is entirely a simple, grammatical/factual error. In a wiki, we don't normally need to host entire discussions over grammar mistakes; it's inefficient. I would change it myself, but I'm having trouble editing the page. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:06, October 26, 2017 (UTC)		::::::::We can take it to a discussion, but I think most people do not want to bother with it anyways and would sooner like to have it removed entirely, hence why I wanted to take the initiative to see if we can make it work first. With that having been said, your point really isn't much of a justification. There are barely any articles with media appearances boxes, and even if every page on a video game does have it, that is only at most about a dozen. The need to correct the lists after the change could come before or after, better after even, and it would be swift and easy. Either way, we'd have to correct it before or after the change no matter what, so I don't see how your point is much of a justification to make this so unnecessarily difficult, over what is entirely a simple, grammatical/factual error. In a wiki, we don't normally need to host entire discussions over grammar mistakes; it's inefficient. I would change it myself, but I'm having trouble editing the page. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:06, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
	::::::::Your concern over possible, needed corrections to the template after the change is also a bit of a self-defeating point because the template as it is now is glaringly erroneous and desperately needs to be corrected anyways, especially when the game is a day away from release. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:15, October 26, 2017 (UTC)		::::::::Your concern over possible, needed corrections to the template after the change is also a bit of a self-defeating point because the template as it is now is glaringly erroneous and desperately needs to be corrected anyways, especially when the game is a day away from release. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:15, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
			:::::::::I was under the impression that the template had become more used since I last checked. I thought that it would be a bigger deal to make such a change. In this case, I can change it for you. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 04:59, October 26, 2017 (UTC)

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	:::::::I meant that there are articles that list different animals in the species section, which means that we may have to go through every article with the template to correct them if the template is changed. That's partly why I think it might be a good idea to bring it to a discussion and let an Administrator change it. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 18:11, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		:::::::I meant that there are articles that list different animals in the species section, which means that we may have to go through every article with the template to correct them if the template is changed. That's partly why I think it might be a good idea to bring it to a discussion and let an Administrator change it. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 18:11, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
	::::::::We can take it to a discussion, but I think most people do not want to bother with it anyways and would sooner like to have it removed entirely, hence why I wanted to take the initiative to see if we can make it work first. With that having been said, your point really isn't much of a justification. There are barely any articles with media appearances boxes, and even if every page on a video game does have it, that is only at most about a dozen. The need to correct the lists after the change could come before or after, better after even, and it would be swift and easy. Either way, we'd have to correct it before or after the change no matter what, so I don't see how your point is much of a justification to make this so unnecessarily difficult, over what is entirely a simple, grammatical/factual error. In a wiki, we don't normally need to host entire discussions over grammar mistakes; it's inefficient. I would change it myself, but I'm having trouble editing the page. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:06, October 26, 2017 (UTC)		::::::::We can take it to a discussion, but I think most people do not want to bother with it anyways and would sooner like to have it removed entirely, hence why I wanted to take the initiative to see if we can make it work first. With that having been said, your point really isn't much of a justification. There are barely any articles with media appearances boxes, and even if every page on a video game does have it, that is only at most about a dozen. The need to correct the lists after the change could come before or after, better after even, and it would be swift and easy. Either way, we'd have to correct it before or after the change no matter what, so I don't see how your point is much of a justification to make this so unnecessarily difficult, over what is entirely a simple, grammatical/factual error. In a wiki, we don't normally need to host entire discussions over grammar mistakes; it's inefficient. I would change it myself, but I'm having trouble editing the page. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:06, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
			::::::::Your concern over possible, needed corrections to the template after the change is also a bit of a self-defeating point because the template as it is now is glaringly erroneous and desperately needs to be corrected anyways, especially when the game is a day away from release. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:15, October 26, 2017 (UTC)

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	::::::That specific issue isn't a matter of style or how it would look. It's a glaring factual error. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:26, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		::::::That specific issue isn't a matter of style or how it would look. It's a glaring factual error. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:26, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
	:::::::I meant that there are articles that list different animals in the species section, which means that we may have to go through every article with the template to correct them if the template is changed. That's partly why I think it might be a good idea to bring it to a discussion and let an Administrator change it. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 18:11, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		:::::::I meant that there are articles that list different animals in the species section, which means that we may have to go through every article with the template to correct them if the template is changed. That's partly why I think it might be a good idea to bring it to a discussion and let an Administrator change it. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 18:11, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
	::::::::We can take it to a discussion, but I think most people do not want to bother with it anyways and would sooner like to have it removed entirely, hence why I wanted to take the initiative to see if we can make it work first. With that having been said, ~~you~~ point really isn't much of a justification. There are barely any articles with media appearances boxes, and even if every page on a video game does have it, that is only at most about a dozen. The need to correct the lists after the change could come before or after, better after even, and it would be swift and easy. Either way, we'd have to correct it before or after the change no matter what, so I don't see how your point is much of a justification to make this ~~into~~ so unnecessarily difficult, over what is entirely a simple, grammatical/factual error. In a wiki, we don't normally need to host entire discussions over grammar mistakes; it's inefficient. I would change it myself, but I'm having trouble editing the page. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:06, October 26, 2017 (UTC)		::::::::We can take it to a discussion, but I think most people do not want to bother with it anyways and would sooner like to have it removed entirely, hence why I wanted to take the initiative to see if we can make it work first. With that having been said, your point really isn't much of a justification. There are barely any articles with media appearances boxes, and even if every page on a video game does have it, that is only at most about a dozen. The need to correct the lists after the change could come before or after, better after even, and it would be swift and easy. Either way, we'd have to correct it before or after the change no matter what, so I don't see how your point is much of a justification to make this so unnecessarily difficult, over what is entirely a simple, grammatical/factual error. In a wiki, we don't normally need to host entire discussions over grammar mistakes; it's inefficient. I would change it myself, but I'm having trouble editing the page. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:06, October 26, 2017 (UTC)

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	::::::That specific issue isn't a matter of style or how it would look. It's a glaring factual error. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:26, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		::::::That specific issue isn't a matter of style or how it would look. It's a glaring factual error. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:26, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
	:::::::I meant that there are articles that list different animals in the species section, which means that we may have to go through every article with the template to correct them if the template is changed. That's partly why I think it might be a good idea to bring it to a discussion and let an Administrator change it. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 18:11, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		:::::::I meant that there are articles that list different animals in the species section, which means that we may have to go through every article with the template to correct them if the template is changed. That's partly why I think it might be a good idea to bring it to a discussion and let an Administrator change it. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 18:11, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
			::::::::We can take it to a discussion, but I think most people do not want to bother with it anyways and would sooner like to have it removed entirely, hence why I wanted to take the initiative to see if we can make it work first. With that having been said, you point really isn't much of a justification. There are barely any articles with media appearances boxes, and even if every page on a video game does have it, that is only at most about a dozen. The need to correct the lists after the change could come before or after, better after even, and it would be swift and easy. Either way, we'd have to correct it before or after the change no matter what, so I don't see how your point is much of a justification to make this into so unnecessarily difficult, over what is entirely a simple, grammatical/factual error. In a wiki, we don't normally need to host entire discussions over grammar mistakes; it's inefficient. I would change it myself, but I'm having trouble editing the page. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:06, October 26, 2017 (UTC)

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	::::::Just change "species" to "sapient species" for now unless you can merge "species" with "creatures". It's a simple factual correction. :-/ We could do a community discussion later. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:33, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		::::::Just change "species" to "sapient species" for now unless you can merge "species" with "creatures". It's a simple factual correction. :-/ We could do a community discussion later. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:33, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
	::::::That specific issue isn't a matter of style or how it would look. It's a glaring factual error. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:26, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		::::::That specific issue isn't a matter of style or how it would look. It's a glaring factual error. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:26, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
			:::::::I meant that there are articles that list different animals in the species section, which means that we may have to go through every article with the template to correct them if the template is changed. That's partly why I think it might be a good idea to bring it to a discussion and let an Administrator change it. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 18:11, October 25, 2017 (UTC)

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	::::Okay, so can you change it now? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:32, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		::::Okay, so can you change it now? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:32, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
	:::::I'm not sure what to change exactly, in terms of how it would look after the change. Also, should there be a community discussion regarding the way it will look and what changes should be made? [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 11:20, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		:::::I'm not sure what to change exactly, in terms of how it would look after the change. Also, should there be a community discussion regarding the way it will look and what changes should be made? [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 11:20, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
	::::::Just change "species" to "sapient species" for now. It's a simple factual correction. :-/ We could do a community discussion later. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:33, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		::::::Just change "species" to "sapient species" for now unless you can merge "species" with "creatures". It's a simple factual correction. :-/ We could do a community discussion later. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:33, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
			::::::That specific issue isn't a matter of style or how it would look. It's a glaring factual error. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:26, October 25, 2017 (UTC)

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	::::Okay, so can you change it now? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:32, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		::::Okay, so can you change it now? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:32, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
	:::::I'm not sure what to change exactly, in terms of how it would look after the change. Also, should there be a community discussion regarding the way it will look and what changes should be made? [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 11:20, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		:::::I'm not sure what to change exactly, in terms of how it would look after the change. Also, should there be a community discussion regarding the way it will look and what changes should be made? [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 11:20, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
			::::::Just change "species" to "sapient species" for now. It's a simple factual correction. :-/ We could do a community discussion later. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:33, October 25, 2017 (UTC)

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	:::Well, when the appearances template was added, it was just a starting point. I expected it to change over time. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 03:55, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		:::Well, when the appearances template was added, it was just a starting point. I expected it to change over time. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 03:55, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
	::::Okay, so can you change it now? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:32, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		::::Okay, so can you change it now? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:32, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
			:::::I'm not sure what to change exactly, in terms of how it would look after the change. Also, should there be a community discussion regarding the way it will look and what changes should be made? [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 11:20, October 25, 2017 (UTC)

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	::No, there are a lot of creatures already in ''Assassin's Creed'', but there are only two sapient species. Even if the new game has giant creatures, that doesn't change the fact there are only two sapient species. Also, even if splitting the two can be justified, we still would need to rename "species" to "sapient species" because otherwise it's simply factually incorrect to exclude creatures like foxes and snakes from species since all creatures are species as well, just not sapient species. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:27, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		::No, there are a lot of creatures already in ''Assassin's Creed'', but there are only two sapient species. Even if the new game has giant creatures, that doesn't change the fact there are only two sapient species. Also, even if splitting the two can be justified, we still would need to rename "species" to "sapient species" because otherwise it's simply factually incorrect to exclude creatures like foxes and snakes from species since all creatures are species as well, just not sapient species. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:27, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
	:::Well, when the appearances template was added, it was just a starting point. I expected it to change over time. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 03:55, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		:::Well, when the appearances template was added, it was just a starting point. I expected it to change over time. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 03:55, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
			::::Okay, so can you change it now? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:32, October 25, 2017 (UTC)

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	:I'm not sure how to center the appearances boxes. Hopefully it can be figured out. Also, the species and creatures section may come in use after the new game, as there are giant creatures in the trailers. I'm not sure exactly how that will be explained, yet. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 01:22, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		:I'm not sure how to center the appearances boxes. Hopefully it can be figured out. Also, the species and creatures section may come in use after the new game, as there are giant creatures in the trailers. I'm not sure exactly how that will be explained, yet. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 01:22, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
	::No, there are a lot of creatures already in ''Assassin's Creed'', but there are only two sapient species. Even if the new game has giant creatures, that doesn't change the fact there are only two sapient species. Also, even if splitting the two can be justified, we still would need to rename "species" to "sapient species" because otherwise it's simply factually incorrect to exclude creatures like foxes and snakes from species since all creatures are species as well, just not sapient species. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:27, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		::No, there are a lot of creatures already in ''Assassin's Creed'', but there are only two sapient species. Even if the new game has giant creatures, that doesn't change the fact there are only two sapient species. Also, even if splitting the two can be justified, we still would need to rename "species" to "sapient species" because otherwise it's simply factually incorrect to exclude creatures like foxes and snakes from species since all creatures are species as well, just not sapient species. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:27, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
			:::Well, when the appearances template was added, it was just a starting point. I expected it to change over time. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 03:55, October 25, 2017 (UTC)

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	::::::::We can take it to a discussion, but I think most people do not want to bother with it anyways and would sooner like to have it removed entirely, hence why I wanted to take the initiative to see if we can make it work first. With that having been said, your point really isn't much of a justification. There are barely any articles with media appearances boxes, and even if every page on a video game does have it, that is only at most about a dozen. The need to correct the lists after the change could come before or after, better after even, and it would be swift and easy. Either way, we'd have to correct it before or after the change no matter what, so I don't see how your point is much of a justification to make this so unnecessarily difficult, over what is entirely a simple, grammatical/factual error. In a wiki, we don't normally need to host entire discussions over grammar mistakes; it's inefficient. I would change it myself, but I'm having trouble editing the page. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:06, October 26, 2017 (UTC)		::::::::We can take it to a discussion, but I think most people do not want to bother with it anyways and would sooner like to have it removed entirely, hence why I wanted to take the initiative to see if we can make it work first. With that having been said, your point really isn't much of a justification. There are barely any articles with media appearances boxes, and even if every page on a video game does have it, that is only at most about a dozen. The need to correct the lists after the change could come before or after, better after even, and it would be swift and easy. Either way, we'd have to correct it before or after the change no matter what, so I don't see how your point is much of a justification to make this so unnecessarily difficult, over what is entirely a simple, grammatical/factual error. In a wiki, we don't normally need to host entire discussions over grammar mistakes; it's inefficient. I would change it myself, but I'm having trouble editing the page. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:06, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
	::::::::Your concern over possible, needed corrections to the template after the change is also a bit of a self-defeating point because the template as it is now is glaringly erroneous and desperately needs to be corrected anyways, especially when the game is a day away from release. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:15, October 26, 2017 (UTC)		::::::::Your concern over possible, needed corrections to the template after the change is also a bit of a self-defeating point because the template as it is now is glaringly erroneous and desperately needs to be corrected anyways, especially when the game is a day away from release. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:15, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
			:::::::::I was under the impression that the template had become more used since I last checked. I thought that it would be a bigger deal to make such a change. In this case, I can change it for you. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 04:59, October 26, 2017 (UTC)

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	:::::::I meant that there are articles that list different animals in the species section, which means that we may have to go through every article with the template to correct them if the template is changed. That's partly why I think it might be a good idea to bring it to a discussion and let an Administrator change it. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 18:11, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		:::::::I meant that there are articles that list different animals in the species section, which means that we may have to go through every article with the template to correct them if the template is changed. That's partly why I think it might be a good idea to bring it to a discussion and let an Administrator change it. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 18:11, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
	::::::::We can take it to a discussion, but I think most people do not want to bother with it anyways and would sooner like to have it removed entirely, hence why I wanted to take the initiative to see if we can make it work first. With that having been said, your point really isn't much of a justification. There are barely any articles with media appearances boxes, and even if every page on a video game does have it, that is only at most about a dozen. The need to correct the lists after the change could come before or after, better after even, and it would be swift and easy. Either way, we'd have to correct it before or after the change no matter what, so I don't see how your point is much of a justification to make this so unnecessarily difficult, over what is entirely a simple, grammatical/factual error. In a wiki, we don't normally need to host entire discussions over grammar mistakes; it's inefficient. I would change it myself, but I'm having trouble editing the page. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:06, October 26, 2017 (UTC)		::::::::We can take it to a discussion, but I think most people do not want to bother with it anyways and would sooner like to have it removed entirely, hence why I wanted to take the initiative to see if we can make it work first. With that having been said, your point really isn't much of a justification. There are barely any articles with media appearances boxes, and even if every page on a video game does have it, that is only at most about a dozen. The need to correct the lists after the change could come before or after, better after even, and it would be swift and easy. Either way, we'd have to correct it before or after the change no matter what, so I don't see how your point is much of a justification to make this so unnecessarily difficult, over what is entirely a simple, grammatical/factual error. In a wiki, we don't normally need to host entire discussions over grammar mistakes; it's inefficient. I would change it myself, but I'm having trouble editing the page. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:06, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
			::::::::Your concern over possible, needed corrections to the template after the change is also a bit of a self-defeating point because the template as it is now is glaringly erroneous and desperately needs to be corrected anyways, especially when the game is a day away from release. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:15, October 26, 2017 (UTC)

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	::::::That specific issue isn't a matter of style or how it would look. It's a glaring factual error. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:26, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		::::::That specific issue isn't a matter of style or how it would look. It's a glaring factual error. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:26, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
	:::::::I meant that there are articles that list different animals in the species section, which means that we may have to go through every article with the template to correct them if the template is changed. That's partly why I think it might be a good idea to bring it to a discussion and let an Administrator change it. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 18:11, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		:::::::I meant that there are articles that list different animals in the species section, which means that we may have to go through every article with the template to correct them if the template is changed. That's partly why I think it might be a good idea to bring it to a discussion and let an Administrator change it. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 18:11, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
	::::::::We can take it to a discussion, but I think most people do not want to bother with it anyways and would sooner like to have it removed entirely, hence why I wanted to take the initiative to see if we can make it work first. With that having been said, ~~you~~ point really isn't much of a justification. There are barely any articles with media appearances boxes, and even if every page on a video game does have it, that is only at most about a dozen. The need to correct the lists after the change could come before or after, better after even, and it would be swift and easy. Either way, we'd have to correct it before or after the change no matter what, so I don't see how your point is much of a justification to make this ~~into~~ so unnecessarily difficult, over what is entirely a simple, grammatical/factual error. In a wiki, we don't normally need to host entire discussions over grammar mistakes; it's inefficient. I would change it myself, but I'm having trouble editing the page. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:06, October 26, 2017 (UTC)		::::::::We can take it to a discussion, but I think most people do not want to bother with it anyways and would sooner like to have it removed entirely, hence why I wanted to take the initiative to see if we can make it work first. With that having been said, your point really isn't much of a justification. There are barely any articles with media appearances boxes, and even if every page on a video game does have it, that is only at most about a dozen. The need to correct the lists after the change could come before or after, better after even, and it would be swift and easy. Either way, we'd have to correct it before or after the change no matter what, so I don't see how your point is much of a justification to make this so unnecessarily difficult, over what is entirely a simple, grammatical/factual error. In a wiki, we don't normally need to host entire discussions over grammar mistakes; it's inefficient. I would change it myself, but I'm having trouble editing the page. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:06, October 26, 2017 (UTC)

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	::::::That specific issue isn't a matter of style or how it would look. It's a glaring factual error. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:26, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		::::::That specific issue isn't a matter of style or how it would look. It's a glaring factual error. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:26, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
	:::::::I meant that there are articles that list different animals in the species section, which means that we may have to go through every article with the template to correct them if the template is changed. That's partly why I think it might be a good idea to bring it to a discussion and let an Administrator change it. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 18:11, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		:::::::I meant that there are articles that list different animals in the species section, which means that we may have to go through every article with the template to correct them if the template is changed. That's partly why I think it might be a good idea to bring it to a discussion and let an Administrator change it. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 18:11, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
			::::::::We can take it to a discussion, but I think most people do not want to bother with it anyways and would sooner like to have it removed entirely, hence why I wanted to take the initiative to see if we can make it work first. With that having been said, you point really isn't much of a justification. There are barely any articles with media appearances boxes, and even if every page on a video game does have it, that is only at most about a dozen. The need to correct the lists after the change could come before or after, better after even, and it would be swift and easy. Either way, we'd have to correct it before or after the change no matter what, so I don't see how your point is much of a justification to make this into so unnecessarily difficult, over what is entirely a simple, grammatical/factual error. In a wiki, we don't normally need to host entire discussions over grammar mistakes; it's inefficient. I would change it myself, but I'm having trouble editing the page. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:06, October 26, 2017 (UTC)

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	::::::Just change "species" to "sapient species" for now unless you can merge "species" with "creatures". It's a simple factual correction. :-/ We could do a community discussion later. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:33, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		::::::Just change "species" to "sapient species" for now unless you can merge "species" with "creatures". It's a simple factual correction. :-/ We could do a community discussion later. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:33, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
	::::::That specific issue isn't a matter of style or how it would look. It's a glaring factual error. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:26, October 25, 2017 (UTC)		::::::That specific issue isn't a matter of style or how it would look. It's a glaring factual error. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:26, October 25, 2017 (UTC)
			:::::::I meant that there are articles that list different animals in the species section, which means that we may have to go through every article with the template to correct them if the template is changed. That's partly why I think it might be a good idea to bring it to a discussion and let an Administrator change it. [[User:Roger Murtaugh\|Roger Murtaugh]] ([[User talk:Roger Murtaugh\|talk]]) 18:11, October 25, 2017 (UTC)