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	{{Quote\|We both strive for the same end, Ezio. Only our methods differ. Do you not see that? Peace. Stability. A world where men live without fear.\|Prince Ahmet, leader of the Byzantine Templars from 1509 to 1512.\|Assassin's Creed: Revelations}}		{{Quote\|We both strive for the same end, Ezio. Only our methods differ. Do you not see that? Peace. Stability. A world where men live without fear.\|Prince Ahmet, leader of the Byzantine Templars from 1509 to 1512.\|Assassin's Creed: Revelations}}
	[[File:Vilified 9 v.png\|thumb\|250px\|Cesare Borgia about to execute Mario Auditore at the Siege of Monteriggioni.]]		[[File:Vilified 9 v.png\|thumb\|250px\|Cesare Borgia about to execute Mario Auditore at the Siege of Monteriggioni.]]

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	{{Dialogue\|Connor\|Freedom IS peace.\|Haytham\|Oh, no. It's an invitation to chaos. Only look at this little revolution your friends have started. I have stood before the Continental Congress and listened to them stamp and shout. All in the name of liberty. But it is just noise.\|Connor and Haytham Kenway discussing freedom.\|Assassin's Creed III}}		{{Dialogue\|Connor\|Freedom IS peace.\|Haytham\|Oh, no. It's an invitation to chaos. Only look at this little revolution your friends have started. I have stood before the Continental Congress and listened to them stamp and shout. All in the name of liberty. But it is just noise.\|Connor and Haytham Kenway discussing freedom.\|Assassin's Creed III}}
	[[File:BoF 9.png\|thumb\|left\|250px\|The Italian Templars planning the murder of Doge Mocenigo.]]		[[File:BoF 9.png\|thumb\|left\|250px\|The Italian Templars planning the murder of Doge Mocenigo.]]
	I personally believe that the "Dark Age of the Order", as the Templars refer to the time under the leadership of the Borgia, is the main blame for this. But of course, the concept of "peace through control" is understandably not put in a very positive light either, by both the Assassins and [[Erudito]]. When you put "control" against "freedom", it is understandable that people would go for the latter. But I don't think it is ever clearly defined that the Assassins want peace through freedom and the Templars want freedom through control. ~~But it~~ is never explicitly explained what they would do and what would happen if the Assassins achieve freedom for all, or the Templars acquire control - so how can we really favor any over the other? In the end, both of them want peace, and the concepts of "freedom" and "control" have		I personally believe that the "Dark Age of the Order", as the Templars refer to the time under the leadership of the Borgia, is the main blame for this. But of course, the concept of "peace through control" is understandably not put in a very positive light either, by both the Assassins and [[Erudito]]. When you put "control" against "freedom", it is understandable that people would go for the latter. But I don't think it is ever clearly defined that the Assassins want peace through freedom and the Templars want freedom through control. It is never explicitly explained what they would do and what would happen if the Assassins achieve freedom for all, or the Templars acquire control - so how can we really favor any over the other? In the end, both of them want peace, and the concepts of "freedom" and "control" have

	The Assassins understand that the people do not want to be under the control of the Templars: freedom is what every human being wants. Freedom to do what they want to do. In some aspects, I suppose you could see the Assassins as being anarchists ("No. The strings should be severed. All should be free."); but through most of their history, they do seem to be in support of one government or another in most cases. Democracy is likely the Assassins' favored form of government, as it gives the people freedom to choose who to lead their country. However - as the Templars do continuously emphasize - people are flawed.		The Assassins understand that the people do not want to be under the control of the Templars: freedom is what every human being wants. Freedom to do what they want to do. In some aspects, I suppose you could see the Assassins as being anarchists ("No. The strings should be severed. All should be free."); but through most of their history, they do seem to be in support of one government or another in most cases. Democracy is likely the Assassins' favored form of government, as it gives the people freedom to choose who to lead their country. However - as the Templars do continuously emphasize - people are flawed.

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	==Conclusion==		==Conclusion==
	{{Dialogue\|Desmond\|Have... Have we ever tried to make peace with the Templars?\|William\|Throughout our history, there have been moments... Several, in fact. But... It's impossible. There are... existential differences. Insurmountable. If there were to be unity, it wouldn't be a truce so much as a submission.\|Desmond and William Miles, discussing a truce between the Assassins and Templars.\|Assassin's Creed III}}		{{Dialogue\|Desmond\|Have... Have we ever tried to make peace with the Templars?\|William\|Throughout our history, there have been moments... Several, in fact. But... It's impossible. There are... existential differences. Insurmountable. If there were to be unity, it wouldn't be a truce so much as a submission.\|Desmond and William Miles, discussing a truce between the Assassins and Templars.\|Assassin's Creed III}}
	In the end, it would seem to me that the Assassins and Templars will ~~both~~ keep fighting for flawed ideals, considering their different ideas for peace each to be the right one and too different. And if the player were too really choose between either of them, if they even do want to do so, I'd say they have to think long and hard over who is really 'right' rather than limit themselves to the division between good and bad.		In the end, it would seem to me that the Assassins and Templars will keep playing king-of-the-hill, fighting for flawed ideals, considering their different ideas for peace each to be the right one and too different. And if the player were too really choose between either of them, if they even do want to do so, I'd say they have to think long and hard over who is really 'right' rather than limit themselves to the division between good and bad.

	But ultimately, as Erudito stated in the hacked files in the [[Abstergo Industries\|Abstergo]]'s privatized [[Animus]], "They are more alike than they think." Both factions fight for undefined goals, plotting and murdering those who stand in their way, and attempting to force their ideals onto the people. Is one really more 'right' than the other?		But ultimately, as Erudito stated in the hacked files in the [[Abstergo Industries\|Abstergo]]'s privatized [[Animus]], "They are more alike than they think." Both factions fight for undefined goals, plotting and murdering those who stand in their way, and attempting to force their ideals onto the people. Is one really more 'right' than the other?
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	==Conclusion==		==Conclusion==
	{{Dialogue\|Desmond\|Have...Have we ever tried to make peace with the Templars?\|William\|Throughout our history, there have been moments...Several, in fact. But...It's impossible. There are...existential differences. Insurmountable. If there were to be unity, it wouldn't be a truce so much as a submission.\|Desmond and William Miles, discussing a truce between the Assassins and Templars.\|Assassin's Creed III}}		{{Dialogue\|Desmond\|Have... Have we ever tried to make peace with the Templars?\|William\|Throughout our history, there have been moments... Several, in fact. But... It's impossible. There are... existential differences. Insurmountable. If there were to be unity, it wouldn't be a truce so much as a submission.\|Desmond and William Miles, discussing a truce between the Assassins and Templars.\|Assassin's Creed III}}
	In the end, it would seem to me that the Assassins and Templars will both keep fighting for flawed ideals, considering their different ideas for peace each to be the right one and too different. And if the player were too really choose between either of them, if they even do want to do so, I'd say they have to think long and hard over who is really 'right' rather than limit themselves to the division between good and bad.		In the end, it would seem to me that the Assassins and Templars will both keep fighting for flawed ideals, considering their different ideas for peace each to be the right one and too different. And if the player were too really choose between either of them, if they even do want to do so, I'd say they have to think long and hard over who is really 'right' rather than limit themselves to the division between good and bad.

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	But ultimately, as Erudito stated in the hacked files in the [[Abstergo Industries\|Abstergo]]'s privatized [[Animus]], "They are more alike than they think." Both factions fight for undefined goals, plotting and murdering those who stand in their way, and attempting to force their ideals onto the people. Is one really more 'right' than the other?		But ultimately, as Erudito stated in the hacked files in the [[Abstergo Industries\|Abstergo]]'s privatized [[Animus]], "They are more alike than they think." Both factions fight for undefined goals, plotting and murdering those who stand in their way, and attempting to force their ideals onto the people. Is one really more 'right' than the other?
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	[[File:Discovery 7.png\|thumb\|250px\|Prince Ahmet discussing the people with Ezio Auditore.]]		[[File:Discovery 7.png\|thumb\|250px\|Prince Ahmet discussing the people with Ezio Auditore.]]
	People make mistakes and bad decisions. With freedom, it is likely the people may cause chaos or start a war. ~~With~~ a democratic government, it is possible a weak-willed or incapable President may be elected. Leaving the fate of the people in the hands of the Templars, who are men of knowledge and science (sans the Borgia etc), will likely prevent these mistakes from being made. After all, the Templars don't mean to make the people into personal slaves, but to achieve {{Wiki\|Utopia}} under their guidance. But when the people are controlled, it is only imminent that they will eventually revolt, as history has shown time and time again.		People make mistakes and bad decisions. With freedom, it is likely the people may cause chaos or start a war. As a straight-forward example, with a democratic government, it is possible a weak-willed or incapable President may be elected. Leaving the fate of the people in the hands of the Templars, who are men of knowledge and science (sans the Borgia etc), will likely prevent these mistakes from being made. After all, the Templars don't mean to make the people into personal slaves, but to achieve {{Wiki\|Utopia}} under their guidance. But when the people are controlled, it is only imminent that they will eventually revolt, as history has shown time and time again.

	To me, it seems to be like an endless cycle, and that both Assassins and Templars are fighting for flawed ideologies. But of course, playing these games puts us right in the middle of the conflict, and it is only logical to take sides - but isn't it a little too easy to just blindlessly take the side the protagonist is a part of?		To me, it seems to be like an endless cycle, and that both Assassins and Templars are fighting for flawed ideologies. But of course, playing these games puts us right in the middle of the conflict, and it is only logical to take sides - but isn't it a little too easy to just blindlessly take the side the protagonist is a part of?

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	[[File:ACIII-Brokentrust 1.png\|thumb\|250px\|Haytham Kenway explaining George Washington's faults to Connor.]]		[[File:ACIII-Brokentrust 1.png\|thumb\|250px\|Haytham Kenway explaining George Washington's faults to Connor.]]
	Throughout history, the Templars had been responsible for fueling numerous political ideas and making several scientific discoveries. We have the Templars to 'thank' for [[capitalism]], which most of western society seems to support - but of course it is just a part of their plans. When speaking of an honorable Templar, it is not odd that Haytham Kenway is the first to come to mind. He had no trouble declaring his dissatisfaction for the killing of innocents, and was much more tactful and much less ruthless than most of his brethren - to the annoyance of Charles Lee. Despite realizing that Charles Lee may have been aiming to take Haytham's place, Haytham told him to leave when Connor came after Charles, holding his own son off so Charles could escape. It was also Haytham who realized that the men his Assassin son [[Ratonhnhaké:ton\|Connor]] ~~aided~~ would only aid themselves, and in the end they sold the land on which Connor's ~~[[Kanien'kehá:ka]]~~ village stood, paying no respect to Connor's part in the [[American Revolutionary War]].		Throughout history, the Templars had been responsible for fueling numerous political ideas and making several scientific discoveries. We have the Templars to 'thank' for [[capitalism]], which most of western society seems to support - but of course it is just a part of their plans. When speaking of an honorable Templar, it is not odd that Haytham Kenway is the first to come to mind. He had no trouble declaring his dissatisfaction for the killing of innocents, and was much more tactful and much less ruthless than most of his brethren - to the annoyance of Charles Lee. Despite realizing that Charles Lee may have been aiming to take Haytham's place, Haytham told him to leave when Connor came after Charles, holding his own son off so Charles could escape. It was also Haytham who realized that the men his Assassin son [[Ratonhnhaké:ton\|Connor]] supported would only aid themselves, and in the end they sold the land on which Connor's village stood, paying no respect to Connor's part in the [[American Revolutionary War]].

	==Conclusion==		==Conclusion==

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	I personally believe that the "Dark Age of the Order", as the Templars refer to the time under the leadership of the Borgia, is the main blame for this. But of course, the concept of "peace through control" is understandably not put in a very positive light either, by both the Assassins and [[Erudito]]. When you put "control" against "freedom", it is understandable that people would go for the latter. But I don't think it is ever clearly defined that the Assassins want peace through freedom and the Templars want freedom through control. But it is never explicitly explained what they would do and what would happen if the Assassins achieve freedom for all, or the Templars acquire control - so how can we really favor any over the other? In the end, both of them want peace, and the concepts of "freedom" and "control" have		I personally believe that the "Dark Age of the Order", as the Templars refer to the time under the leadership of the Borgia, is the main blame for this. But of course, the concept of "peace through control" is understandably not put in a very positive light either, by both the Assassins and [[Erudito]]. When you put "control" against "freedom", it is understandable that people would go for the latter. But I don't think it is ever clearly defined that the Assassins want peace through freedom and the Templars want freedom through control. But it is never explicitly explained what they would do and what would happen if the Assassins achieve freedom for all, or the Templars acquire control - so how can we really favor any over the other? In the end, both of them want peace, and the concepts of "freedom" and "control" have

	The Assassins understand that the people do not want to be under the control of the Templars: freedom is what every human being wants. Freedom to do what they want to do. In some aspects, I suppose you could see the Assassins as being anarchists; but they do seem to be in support of one government or another in most cases. Democracy is likely the Assassins' favored form of government, as it gives the people freedom to choose who to lead their country. However - as the Templars do continuously emphasize - people are flawed.		The Assassins understand that the people do not want to be under the control of the Templars: freedom is what every human being wants. Freedom to do what they want to do. In some aspects, I suppose you could see the Assassins as being anarchists ("No. The strings should be severed. All should be free."); but through most of their history, they do seem to be in support of one government or another in most cases. Democracy is likely the Assassins' favored form of government, as it gives the people freedom to choose who to lead their country. However - as the Templars do continuously emphasize - people are flawed.

	[[File:Discovery 7.png\|thumb\|250px\|Prince Ahmet discussing the people with Ezio Auditore.]]		[[File:Discovery 7.png\|thumb\|250px\|Prince Ahmet discussing the people with Ezio Auditore.]]

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	In the end, it would seem to me that the Assassins and Templars will both keep fighting for flawed ideals, considering their different ideas for peace each to be the right one and too different. And if the player were too really choose between either of them, if they even do want to do so, I'd say they have to think long and hard over who is really 'right' rather than limit themselves to the division between good and bad.		In the end, it would seem to me that the Assassins and Templars will both keep fighting for flawed ideals, considering their different ideas for peace each to be the right one and too different. And if the player were too really choose between either of them, if they even do want to do so, I'd say they have to think long and hard over who is really 'right' rather than limit themselves to the division between good and bad.

	But ~~in the end~~, as Erudito stated in the hacked files in the [[Abstergo Industries\|Abstergo]]'s privatized [[Animus]], "They are more alike than they think." Both factions fight for undefined goals, plotting and murdering those who stand in their way, and attempting to force their ideals onto the people. Is one really more 'right' than the other?		But ultimately, as Erudito stated in the hacked files in the [[Abstergo Industries\|Abstergo]]'s privatized [[Animus]], "They are more alike than they think." Both factions fight for undefined goals, plotting and murdering those who stand in their way, and attempting to force their ideals onto the people. Is one really more 'right' than the other?
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