The Flower Banquet (Part 5) - Revision history

imported>Soranin: /* Translation errors */

2023-08-21T00:55:15Z

Translation errors

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	==Continuity==		==Continuity==
	===Translation errors===		===Translation errors===
	The English edition published by ~~{{wiki\|~~Tokyopop}} is loaded with translation errors.		The English edition published by [[Tokyopop]] is loaded with translation errors.

	In regards to Chapter 5, the errors concerning faithfulness to tone and style of speech is even more apparent than previous chapters owing to the court setting. In particular, Chancellor [[Yang Guozhong]] originally speaks in formal, court language to his servant, but his speech is quite colloquial in the English publication. Although it may be challenging to translate the sophisticated idioms Guozhong employs into English, he borders on slang at various points in English, to the extent that the lines are more paraphrased than translated.		In regards to Chapter 5, the errors concerning faithfulness to tone and style of speech is even more apparent than previous chapters owing to the court setting. In particular, Chancellor [[Yang Guozhong]] originally speaks in formal, court language to his servant, but his speech is quite colloquial in the English publication. Although it may be challenging to translate the sophisticated idioms Guozhong employs into English, he borders on slang at various points in English, to the extent that the lines are more paraphrased than translated.

imported>VilkaIsBack at 05:26, 3 September 2022

2022-09-03T05:26:02Z

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	'''"The Flower Banquet (Part 5)"''' (花都刺客 (其五)), lit. 'Flower Capital Assassin (Part 5)') is the fifth chapter of the manhua ''[[Assassin's Creed: Dynasty]]'' written by [[Xu Xianzhe]].<ref>''[[Assassin's Creed: Dynasty]]''</ref>		'''"The Flower Banquet (Part 5)"''' (花都刺客 (其五)), lit. 'Flower Capital Assassin (Part 5)') is the fifth chapter of the manhua ''[[Assassin's Creed: Dynasty]]'' written by [[Xu Xianzhe]].<ref>''[[Assassin's Creed: Dynasty]]''</ref>

	==~~Behind the scenes~~==		==Continuity==
	===Translation errors===		===Translation errors===
	The English edition ~~of ''[[Assassin's Creed: Dynasty]]''~~ published by {{wiki\|Tokyopop}} is loaded with translation errors.		The English edition published by {{wiki\|Tokyopop}} is loaded with translation errors.

	In regards to Chapter 5, the errors concerning faithfulness to tone and style of speech is even more apparent than previous chapters owing to the court setting. In particular, Chancellor [[Yang Guozhong]] originally speaks in formal, court language to his servant, but his speech is quite colloquial in the English publication. Although it may be challenging to translate the sophisticated idioms Guozhong employs into English, he borders on slang at various points in English, to the extent that the lines are more paraphrased than translated.		In regards to Chapter 5, the errors concerning faithfulness to tone and style of speech is even more apparent than previous chapters owing to the court setting. In particular, Chancellor [[Yang Guozhong]] originally speaks in formal, court language to his servant, but his speech is quite colloquial in the English publication. Although it may be challenging to translate the sophisticated idioms Guozhong employs into English, he borders on slang at various points in English, to the extent that the lines are more paraphrased than translated.

imported>Darman36 at 23:20, 28 July 2021

2021-07-28T23:20:21Z

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	\|Previous= [[The Flower Banquet (Part 4)]]		\|Previous= [[The Flower Banquet (Part 4)]]
	\|Next= [[The Flower Banquet (Part 6)]]}}		\|Next= [[The Flower Banquet (Part 6)]]}}
	'''The Flower Banquet (Part 5)''' (花都刺客 (其五)), lit. 'Flower Capital Assassin (Part 5)') is the fifth chapter of the manhua ''[[Assassin's Creed: Dynasty]]'' written by [[Xu Xianzhe]].<ref>''[[Assassin's Creed: Dynasty]]''</ref>		'''"The Flower Banquet (Part 5)"''' (花都刺客 (其五)), lit. 'Flower Capital Assassin (Part 5)') is the fifth chapter of the manhua ''[[Assassin's Creed: Dynasty]]'' written by [[Xu Xianzhe]].<ref>''[[Assassin's Creed: Dynasty]]''</ref>

	==Behind the scenes==		==Behind the scenes==

imported>Darman36: Still needs plot summary

2021-07-22T17:55:45Z

Still needs plot summary

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			{{Update\|this painting. Still needs plot summary}}
	{{Manga Chapter Infobox		{{Manga Chapter Infobox
	\|title= The Flower Banquet (Part 5)		\|title= The Flower Banquet (Part 5)

imported>Sol Pacificus: actually used the wrong punctuation here, this should be the Chinese serial comma

2021-06-22T00:10:22Z

actually used the wrong punctuation here, this should be the Chinese serial comma

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	The scene where Emperor Xuanzhong presents a slew of new rewards for An Lushan also contains some notable mistranslations.		The scene where Emperor Xuanzhong presents a slew of new rewards for An Lushan also contains some notable mistranslations.
	<blockquote>~~「節度使安祿山，加封尚書左仆射，賜實封千戶，奴婢十房，莊，宅各一區！」~~</blockquote>		<blockquote>「節度使安祿山，加封尚書左仆射，賜實封千戶，奴婢十房，莊、宅各一區！」</blockquote>
	The official translation is presented immediately below, but the two major errors in this translation is that ''left'' ([[wikt:左\|左]]) has been mistaken for ''right'' ([[wikt:右\|右]]), and Lushan has not been allotted ten ''factions'' of servants—whatever ''faction'' could have even meant—but ten ''rooms'' or ''houses'' of servants.		The official translation is presented immediately below, but the two major errors in this translation is that ''left'' ([[wikt:左\|左]]) has been mistaken for ''right'' ([[wikt:右\|右]]), and Lushan has not been allotted ten ''factions'' of servants—whatever ''faction'' could have even meant—but ten ''rooms'' or ''houses'' of servants.
	<blockquote>"''Military gorvenor'' [sic] ''An Lushan, bestowed with the title of Right Deputy of State Affairs, with governance over a thousand households, ten factions of servants, a manor, and a mansion!''"</blockquote>		<blockquote>"''Military gorvenor'' [sic] ''An Lushan, bestowed with the title of Right Deputy of State Affairs, with governance over a thousand households, ten factions of servants, a manor, and a mansion!''"</blockquote>

imported>Sol Pacificus: I'm probably going to keep tweaking that again and again >.> i'm sorry

2021-06-15T03:16:58Z

I'm probably going to keep tweaking that again and again >.> i'm sorry

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	...with this more faithful—though not necessarily ideal—original translation.		...with this more faithful—though not necessarily ideal—original translation.
	<blockquote>"''The dead are not even prominent officials or nobles. Why the need for a great ~~scare~~ over some tiny thing amiss? That gang of street miscreants was by habitual nature invariably unruly, fond of wresting strength in vicious fights. To have bound themselves to some vengeful enemy was only natural.''"</blockquote>		<blockquote>"''The dead are not even prominent officials or nobles. Why the need for such great fright over some tiny thing amiss? That gang of street miscreants was by habitual nature invariably unruly, fond of wresting strength in vicious fights. To have bound themselves to some vengeful enemy was only natural.''"</blockquote>

	The scene where Emperor Xuanzhong presents a slew of new rewards for An Lushan also contains some notable mistranslations.		The scene where Emperor Xuanzhong presents a slew of new rewards for An Lushan also contains some notable mistranslations.
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	Here is a more accurate translation:		Here is a more accurate translation:
	<blockquote>"Jiedushi ''An Lushan is hereby granted with the additional office of Left Deputy to the Secretary of State Affairs and bestowed with the actual enfeoffment of one thousand households, ten rooms of servants, and one each of manors and residences!''"</blockquote>		<blockquote>"Jiedushi ''An Lushan is hereby granted with the additional office of Left Deputy to the Secretary of State Affairs and bestowed with the actual enfeoffment of one thousand households, ten rooms of servants, and one each of manors and residences!''"</blockquote>

			Apart from this, the previous chapters' mistranslation of 花魁 (Mandarin: ''huākuí''), referring to the grand prize of the flower contest, as ''{{wiki\|oiran}}'' is repeated in this chapter.

	==References==		==References==
	{{Reflist}}		{{Reflist}}
	[[Category:Assassin's Creed: Dynasty]]		[[Category:Assassin's Creed: Dynasty]]

imported>Sol Pacificus: Really, "why the need to be so scared" would sound so much better, but I just want to preserve the great vs. tiny rhetorical device....

2021-06-15T01:59:04Z

Really, "why the need to be so scared" would sound so much better, but I just want to preserve the great vs. tiny rhetorical device....

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	...with this more faithful—though not necessarily ideal—original translation.		...with this more faithful—though not necessarily ideal—original translation.
	<blockquote>"''The dead are not even prominent officials or nobles. Why the need for a great scare over ~~a little~~ thing amiss? That gang of street miscreants was by habitual nature invariably unruly, fond of wresting strength in vicious fights. To have bound themselves to some vengeful enemy was only natural.''"</blockquote>		<blockquote>"''The dead are not even prominent officials or nobles. Why the need for a great scare over some tiny thing amiss? That gang of street miscreants was by habitual nature invariably unruly, fond of wresting strength in vicious fights. To have bound themselves to some vengeful enemy was only natural.''"</blockquote>

	The scene where Emperor Xuanzhong presents a slew of new rewards for An Lushan also contains some notable mistranslations.		The scene where Emperor Xuanzhong presents a slew of new rewards for An Lushan also contains some notable mistranslations.
	<blockquote>「節度使安祿山，加封尚書左仆射，賜實封千戶，奴婢十房，莊，宅各一區！」</blockquote>		<blockquote>「節度使安祿山，加封尚書左仆射，賜實封千戶，奴婢十房，莊，宅各一區！」</blockquote>
	The official translation is presented immediately below, but the two major errors in this translation is that ''left'' ([[wikt:左\|左]]) has been mistaken for ''right'' ([[wikt:右\|右]]), and Lushan has not been allotted ten ''factions'' of servants—whatever ''faction'' could have even meant—but ten ''rooms'' or ''houses'' of servants.		The official translation is presented immediately below, but the two major errors in this translation is that ''left'' ([[wikt:左\|左]]) has been mistaken for ''right'' ([[wikt:右\|右]]), and Lushan has not been allotted ten ''factions'' of servants—whatever ''faction'' could have even meant—but ten ''rooms'' or ''houses'' of servants.
	<blockquote>''Military gorvenor'' [sic] ''An Lushan, bestowed with the title of Right Deputy of State Affairs, with governance over a thousand households, ten factions of servants, a manor, and a mansion!''"</blockquote>		<blockquote>"''Military gorvenor'' [sic] ''An Lushan, bestowed with the title of Right Deputy of State Affairs, with governance over a thousand households, ten factions of servants, a manor, and a mansion!''"</blockquote>
	Here is a more accurate translation:		Here is a more accurate translation:
	<blockquote>"Jiedushi ''An Lushan is hereby granted with the additional office of Left Deputy to the Secretary of State Affairs and bestowed with the actual enfeoffment of one thousand households, ten rooms of servants, and one each of manors and ~~houses~~!''"</blockquote>		<blockquote>"Jiedushi ''An Lushan is hereby granted with the additional office of Left Deputy to the Secretary of State Affairs and bestowed with the actual enfeoffment of one thousand households, ten rooms of servants, and one each of manors and residences!''"</blockquote>

	==References==		==References==
	{{Reflist}}		{{Reflist}}
	[[Category:Assassin's Creed: Dynasty]]		[[Category:Assassin's Creed: Dynasty]]

imported>Sol Pacificus: Going to pause here for now.

2021-06-15T01:53:52Z

Going to pause here for now.

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	...with this more faithful—though not necessarily ideal—original translation.		...with this more faithful—though not necessarily ideal—original translation.
	<blockquote>"''The dead are not even prominent officials ~~and~~ nobles. Why the need for a great scare over ~~tiny disturbances~~? That gang of street miscreants was by habitual nature invariably unruly, fond of wresting strength in vicious fights. To have bound themselves to a vengeful enemy was only natural.''"</blockquote>		<blockquote>"''The dead are not even prominent officials or nobles. Why the need for a great scare over a little thing amiss? That gang of street miscreants was by habitual nature invariably unruly, fond of wresting strength in vicious fights. To have bound themselves to some vengeful enemy was only natural.''"</blockquote>

			The scene where Emperor Xuanzhong presents a slew of new rewards for An Lushan also contains some notable mistranslations.
			<blockquote>「節度使安祿山，加封尚書左仆射，賜實封千戶，奴婢十房，莊，宅各一區！」</blockquote>
			The official translation is presented immediately below, but the two major errors in this translation is that ''left'' ([[wikt:左\|左]]) has been mistaken for ''right'' ([[wikt:右\|右]]), and Lushan has not been allotted ten ''factions'' of servants—whatever ''faction'' could have even meant—but ten ''rooms'' or ''houses'' of servants.
			<blockquote>''Military gorvenor'' [sic] ''An Lushan, bestowed with the title of Right Deputy of State Affairs, with governance over a thousand households, ten factions of servants, a manor, and a mansion!''"</blockquote>
			Here is a more accurate translation:
			<blockquote>"Jiedushi ''An Lushan is hereby granted with the additional office of Left Deputy to the Secretary of State Affairs and bestowed with the actual enfeoffment of one thousand households, ten rooms of servants, and one each of manors and houses!''"</blockquote>

	==References==		==References==
	{{Reflist}}		{{Reflist}}
	[[Category:Assassin's Creed: Dynasty]]		[[Category:Assassin's Creed: Dynasty]]

imported>Sol Pacificus: seems like i can't get to the other mistranslations tonight

2021-06-14T05:54:22Z

seems like i can't get to the other mistranslations tonight

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	==Behind the scenes==		==Behind the scenes==
	===Translation errors===		===Translation errors===
	The English edition of ''[[Assassin's Creed: Dynasty]]'' published by {{wiki\|Tokyopop}} is loaded with translation errors. In regards to Chapter 5, the errors ~~concern~~ faithfulness to tone and style of speech more than ~~translation in meaning~~. In particular, Chancellor [[Yang Guozhong]] originally speaks in formal, court language to his servant, but his speech is quite colloquial in the English. Although it may be challenging to translate the sophisticated idioms Guozhong employs into English, he borders on slang at various points in English.		The English edition of ''[[Assassin's Creed: Dynasty]]'' published by {{wiki\|Tokyopop}} is loaded with translation errors.

			In regards to Chapter 5, the errors concerning faithfulness to tone and style of speech is even more apparent than previous chapters owing to the court setting. In particular, Chancellor [[Yang Guozhong]] originally speaks in formal, court language to his servant, but his speech is quite colloquial in the English publication. Although it may be challenging to translate the sophisticated idioms Guozhong employs into English, he borders on slang at various points in English, to the extent that the lines are more paraphrased than translated.

	Below is one example:		Below is one example:

imported>Sol Pacificus: I basically struggled to translate this sentence for hours in a way that would flow naturally in English but not cost a single word. (i.e. "was invariably unruly by nature" sounded much better but a bit of a loss in Guozhong's meaning there, he's basically saying they always fall back into the unruly habits of their nature)

2021-06-14T04:25:26Z

I basically struggled to translate this sentence for hours in a way that would flow naturally in English but not cost a single word. (i.e. "was invariably unruly by nature" sounded much better but a bit of a loss in Guozhong's meaning there, he's basically saying they always fall back into the unruly habits of their nature)

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	...with this more faithful—though not necessarily ideal—original translation.		...with this more faithful—though not necessarily ideal—original translation.
	<blockquote>"''The dead are not even prominent officials and nobles. Why the need for a great scare over tiny disturbances? That gang of miscreants ~~of the streets~~ was ~~invariably unruly~~ by habitual nature, fond of wresting strength in vicious fights. To have bound themselves to a vengeful enemy was only natural.''"</blockquote>		<blockquote>"''The dead are not even prominent officials and nobles. Why the need for a great scare over tiny disturbances? That gang of street miscreants was by habitual nature invariably unruly, fond of wresting strength in vicious fights. To have bound themselves to a vengeful enemy was only natural.''"</blockquote>

	==References==		==References==
	{{Reflist}}		{{Reflist}}
	[[Category:Assassin's Creed: Dynasty]]		[[Category:Assassin's Creed: Dynasty]]