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	Regarding quotas, you misunderstand Lacrosse. I was referring to a quota for how many categories (e.g. "characters", "locations", "weapons") for the appearances box, not quota on how many items in the list.		Regarding quotas, you misunderstand Lacrosse. I was referring to a quota for how many categories (e.g. "characters", "locations", "weapons") for the appearances box, not quota on how many items in the list.

	I think a rebuttal you can use is that open-world RPGs like ''Origins'', ''Odyssey'', and ''Valhalla'' could be way too much compared to the older ''Assassin's Creed'' games, novels, or the ''Star Wars'' films. It often works out with ''Star Wars'' because it is a massive, sprawling franchise that needs content to be organized and yet the lists do not become too excessive relative to the need for content organization on most pages. But when we take a glance at ''Star Wars''{{'}}s one, currently active open-world MMORPG, ''[~~[w:c~~:starwars:Star_Wars:_The_Old_Republic#Appearances\|Star Wars: The Old Republic]]'', then yes, it might be too much. For pages on the early games, spin-off games, or individual comic book chapters, like those in ''Dynasty'', it would be pretty useful. For the RPGs, I can admit that it is disputable.		I think a rebuttal you can use is that open-world RPGs like ''Origins'', ''Odyssey'', and ''Valhalla'' could be way too much compared to the older ''Assassin's Creed'' games, novels, or the ''Star Wars'' films. It often works out with ''Star Wars'' because it is a massive, sprawling franchise that needs content to be organized and yet the lists do not become too excessive relative to the need for content organization on most pages. But when we take a glance at ''Star Wars''{{'}}s one, currently active open-world MMORPG, ''[https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Old_Republic#Appearances Star Wars: The Old Republic]'', then yes, it might be too much. For pages on the early games, spin-off games, or individual comic book chapters, like those in ''Dynasty'', it would be pretty useful. For the RPGs, I can admit that it is disputable.

	I can attest to the fact that at this very moment, it would be useful for me as an editor if we already had such a comprehensive and complete list for ''Assassin's Creed'' and ''Assassin's Creed II'', so I can keep precise track of every article from those two sources I need to review, rewrite, or create. There are many articles from those times that have long lain forgotten and are missing even from the navigation boxes and which are desperately in need of updates to conform with our in-universe writing policy and a lore-based direction. Of course, I could just try to create a checklist as a user subpage for my own use, but if it had already been there and organized by categories, it would be so much easier. Moreover, the appearances section helps editors track the real-world chronology of subjects across sources. In my experience, it can be incredibly useful when needing to do review and research on Wookieepedia. Navigation boxes are entirely useless in this way as a tool for editors.		I can attest to the fact that at this very moment, it would be useful for me as an editor if we already had such a comprehensive and complete list for ''Assassin's Creed'' and ''Assassin's Creed II'', so I can keep precise track of every article from those two sources I need to review, rewrite, or create. There are many articles from those times that have long lain forgotten and are missing even from the navigation boxes and which are desperately in need of updates to conform with our in-universe writing policy and a lore-based direction. Of course, I could just try to create a checklist as a user subpage for my own use, but if it had already been there and organized by categories, it would be so much easier. Moreover, the appearances section helps editors track the real-world chronology of subjects across sources. In my experience, it can be incredibly useful when needing to do review and research on Wookieepedia. Navigation boxes are entirely useless in this way as a tool for editors.
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	My current stance right now is that I think I do prefer Kenny's compromise of removing the section from all articles while we continue to work on them and evaluate them behind-the-scenes. I think this is low on our list of priorities to work on. I am even considering that we can try to complete some appearance boxes on user subpages first, to test their feasibility, and not import them back to the actual pages if they aren't completed and determined to be beneficial. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:29, 6 March 2022 (UTC)		My current stance right now is that I think I do prefer Kenny's compromise of removing the section from all articles while we continue to work on them and evaluate them behind-the-scenes. I think this is low on our list of priorities to work on. I am even considering that we can try to complete some appearance boxes on user subpages first, to test their feasibility, and not import them back to the actual pages if they aren't completed and determined to be beneficial. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:29, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
	:Want to add that the issue of the list being way too unwieldy was indeed raised years ago on the [~~[w:c~~:starwars:Talk:Star_Wars: ~~The_Old Republic\|~~"''Star Wars: The Old Republic''" talk page]], along with the suggestion of moving it to a subpage. Thinking it over, if we do choose to retain this section, I would be open to using subpages after all (or perhaps only for the big RPGs) since we can organize the categories by their own section which could improve accessibility and readability. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)		:Want to add that the issue of the list being way too unwieldy was indeed raised years ago on the [https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Star_Wars:_The_Old_Republic "''Star Wars: The Old Republic''" talk page], along with the suggestion of moving it to a subpage. Thinking it over, if we do choose to retain this section, I would be open to using subpages after all (or perhaps only for the big RPGs) since we can organize the categories by their own section which could improve accessibility and readability. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
	::I'm not opposed to making them subpages like the gallery, sounds like a great option to me! Then it'll be there for people that would want to use them, but it won't hurt SEO. I agree that the lists of Origins/Oddysey/Valhalla might become extensive, but it would be weird to only make this lists for the older games, and completely remove them from these three due to the game containing 'too much'. Imho it could really be of value. I cannnot attest this for everyone of course, but for me personally I've always used such lists, also as a reader, not just as editor (I almost never edit on the Wookipedia but use the sections constantly).		::I'm not opposed to making them subpages like the gallery, sounds like a great option to me! Then it'll be there for people that would want to use them, but it won't hurt SEO. I agree that the lists of Origins/Oddysey/Valhalla might become extensive, but it would be weird to only make this lists for the older games, and completely remove them from these three due to the game containing 'too much'. Imho it could really be of value. I cannnot attest this for everyone of course, but for me personally I've always used such lists, also as a reader, not just as editor (I almost never edit on the Wookipedia but use the sections constantly).

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	:::::::Can you clarify what you mean by "super unbalanced". I really can't figure out what that means at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:51, 7 March 2022 (UTC)		:::::::Can you clarify what you mean by "super unbalanced". I really can't figure out what that means at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:51, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
	::::::::If we have a quota for the categories with everything else just being shunted into the misc section that section will get massive and not user friendly to find topics in. I think the list of categories should be allowed to be more flexible to mitigate this. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 18:35, 8 March 2022 (UTC)		::::::::If we have a quota for the categories with everything else just being shunted into the misc section that section will get massive and not user friendly to find topics in. I think the list of categories should be allowed to be more flexible to mitigate this. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 18:35, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::::::::That's a good point. I was thinking that a quota would be at minimum how many categories Wookieepedia uses (or how many we currently have up) which means that the misc category could never be more massive than what people are used to. However, I only brought up this suggestion because I presumed you guys would not want too many categories, but I really wouldn't mind having as many as we need. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:07, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

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	::::::For consistencies sake I’d say all should be moved to subpages not just the ones from latter entries. Also I feel by putting a quota on category the misc. category will become super unbalanced. I don’t know an exact fix for this. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:56, 7 March 2022 (UTC)		::::::For consistencies sake I’d say all should be moved to subpages not just the ones from latter entries. Also I feel by putting a quota on category the misc. category will become super unbalanced. I don’t know an exact fix for this. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:56, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
	:::::::Can you clarify what you mean by "super unbalanced". I really can't figure out what that means at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:51, 7 March 2022 (UTC)		:::::::Can you clarify what you mean by "super unbalanced". I really can't figure out what that means at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:51, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
			::::::::If we have a quota for the categories with everything else just being shunted into the misc section that section will get massive and not user friendly to find topics in. I think the list of categories should be allowed to be more flexible to mitigate this. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 18:35, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus at 02:51, 7 March 2022

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	:::::Yes, yours will be good. :) [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 23:02, 6 March 2022 (UTC)		:::::Yes, yours will be good. :) [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 23:02, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
	::::::For consistencies sake I’d say all should be moved to subpages not just the ones from latter entries. Also I feel by putting a quota on category the misc. category will become super unbalanced. I don’t know an exact fix for this. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:56, 7 March 2022 (UTC)		::::::For consistencies sake I’d say all should be moved to subpages not just the ones from latter entries. Also I feel by putting a quota on category the misc. category will become super unbalanced. I don’t know an exact fix for this. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:56, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::::::Can you clarify what you mean by "super unbalanced". I really can't figure out what that means at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:51, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

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	::::Sounds fine by me! :) I'm currently pre-occupied this evening but i'll be able to take a first look tomorrow. What user space will they be moved to? Mine? I'm fine with either as long as I can edit of course ;) [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 18:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)		::::Sounds fine by me! :) I'm currently pre-occupied this evening but i'll be able to take a first look tomorrow. What user space will they be moved to? Mine? I'm fine with either as long as I can edit of course ;) [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 18:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
	:::::Yes, yours will be good. :) [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 23:02, 6 March 2022 (UTC)		:::::Yes, yours will be good. :) [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 23:02, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
			::::::For consistencies sake I’d say all should be moved to subpages not just the ones from latter entries. Also I feel by putting a quota on category the misc. category will become super unbalanced. I don’t know an exact fix for this. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:56, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus at 23:02, 6 March 2022

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	:::So I actually think that not all the lists would need their own subpage when implemented because for some media, they could be shorter and so subpages could be superfluous. I also prefer to have the lists for ''Dynasty'' chapter pages because they help me track which content from which chapter we are still missing or I still haven't worked on. You are right, it would not make sense that we refrain from creating lists for the RPG installments because they would be too extensive. I think it is possible that only those three games need their own subpages, but we can also have all the main installments lists have their own subpages. Either way, it sounds like we have a plan. Shall we get to it right away? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 18:00, 6 March 2022 (UTC)		:::So I actually think that not all the lists would need their own subpage when implemented because for some media, they could be shorter and so subpages could be superfluous. I also prefer to have the lists for ''Dynasty'' chapter pages because they help me track which content from which chapter we are still missing or I still haven't worked on. You are right, it would not make sense that we refrain from creating lists for the RPG installments because they would be too extensive. I think it is possible that only those three games need their own subpages, but we can also have all the main installments lists have their own subpages. Either way, it sounds like we have a plan. Shall we get to it right away? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 18:00, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
	::::Sounds fine by me! :) I'm currently pre-occupied this evening but i'll be able to take a first look tomorrow. What user space will they be moved to? Mine? I'm fine with either as long as I can edit of course ;) [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 18:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)		::::Sounds fine by me! :) I'm currently pre-occupied this evening but i'll be able to take a first look tomorrow. What user space will they be moved to? Mine? I'm fine with either as long as I can edit of course ;) [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 18:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::::Yes, yours will be good. :) [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 23:02, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

imported>Kennyannydenny at 18:43, 6 March 2022

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	::My suggestion is to move things to a user name space for now, work on it until it fits the views everyone has, and then move it to a subpage of the media article. That way we can keep things organized, whilst making it available for people that like to use them, without hurting SEO or having incomplete lists in the main space for long periods of times. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 10:55, 6 March 2022 (UTC)		::My suggestion is to move things to a user name space for now, work on it until it fits the views everyone has, and then move it to a subpage of the media article. That way we can keep things organized, whilst making it available for people that like to use them, without hurting SEO or having incomplete lists in the main space for long periods of times. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 10:55, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
	:::So I actually think that not all the lists would need their own subpage when implemented because for some media, they could be shorter and so subpages could be superfluous. I also prefer to have the lists for ''Dynasty'' chapter pages because they help me track which content from which chapter we are still missing or I still haven't worked on. You are right, it would not make sense that we refrain from creating lists for the RPG installments because they would be too extensive. I think it is possible that only those three games need their own subpages, but we can also have all the main installments lists have their own subpages. Either way, it sounds like we have a plan. Shall we get to it right away? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 18:00, 6 March 2022 (UTC)		:::So I actually think that not all the lists would need their own subpage when implemented because for some media, they could be shorter and so subpages could be superfluous. I also prefer to have the lists for ''Dynasty'' chapter pages because they help me track which content from which chapter we are still missing or I still haven't worked on. You are right, it would not make sense that we refrain from creating lists for the RPG installments because they would be too extensive. I think it is possible that only those three games need their own subpages, but we can also have all the main installments lists have their own subpages. Either way, it sounds like we have a plan. Shall we get to it right away? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 18:00, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
			::::Sounds fine by me! :) I'm currently pre-occupied this evening but i'll be able to take a first look tomorrow. What user space will they be moved to? Mine? I'm fine with either as long as I can edit of course ;) [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 18:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus at 18:00, 6 March 2022

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	::My suggestion is to move things to a user name space for now, work on it until it fits the views everyone has, and then move it to a subpage of the media article. That way we can keep things organized, whilst making it available for people that like to use them, without hurting SEO or having incomplete lists in the main space for long periods of times. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 10:55, 6 March 2022 (UTC)		::My suggestion is to move things to a user name space for now, work on it until it fits the views everyone has, and then move it to a subpage of the media article. That way we can keep things organized, whilst making it available for people that like to use them, without hurting SEO or having incomplete lists in the main space for long periods of times. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 10:55, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::So I actually think that not all the lists would need their own subpage when implemented because for some media, they could be shorter and so subpages could be superfluous. I also prefer to have the lists for ''Dynasty'' chapter pages because they help me track which content from which chapter we are still missing or I still haven't worked on. You are right, it would not make sense that we refrain from creating lists for the RPG installments because they would be too extensive. I think it is possible that only those three games need their own subpages, but we can also have all the main installments lists have their own subpages. Either way, it sounds like we have a plan. Shall we get to it right away? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 18:00, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

imported>Kennyannydenny: wrong type of wording, not what I meant. Removing it to prevent people reading something else into that what I not intended.

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wrong type of wording, not what I meant. Removing it to prevent people reading something else into that what I not intended.

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	::I'm not opposed to making them subpages like the gallery, sounds like a great option to me! Then it'll be there for people that would want to use them, but it won't hurt SEO. I agree that the lists of Origins/Oddysey/Valhalla might become extensive, but it would be weird to only make this lists for the older games, and completely remove them from these three due to the game containing 'too much'. Imho it could really be of value. I cannnot attest this for everyone of course, but for me personally I've always used such lists, also as a reader, not just as editor (I almost never edit on the Wookipedia but use the sections constantly).		::I'm not opposed to making them subpages like the gallery, sounds like a great option to me! Then it'll be there for people that would want to use them, but it won't hurt SEO. I agree that the lists of Origins/Oddysey/Valhalla might become extensive, but it would be weird to only make this lists for the older games, and completely remove them from these three due to the game containing 'too much'. Imho it could really be of value. I cannnot attest this for everyone of course, but for me personally I've always used such lists, also as a reader, not just as editor (I almost never edit on the Wookipedia but use the sections constantly).

	::My ~~final~~ suggestion is to move things to a user name space for now, work on it until it fits the views everyone has, and then move it to a subpage of the media article. That way we can keep things organized, whilst making it available for people that like to use them, without hurting SEO or having incomplete lists in the main space for long periods of times. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 10:55, 6 March 2022 (UTC)		::My suggestion is to move things to a user name space for now, work on it until it fits the views everyone has, and then move it to a subpage of the media article. That way we can keep things organized, whilst making it available for people that like to use them, without hurting SEO or having incomplete lists in the main space for long periods of times. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 10:55, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

imported>Kennyannydenny at 10:55, 6 March 2022

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	My current stance right now is that I think I do prefer Kenny's compromise of removing the section from all articles while we continue to work on them and evaluate them behind-the-scenes. I think this is low on our list of priorities to work on. I am even considering that we can try to complete some appearance boxes on user subpages first, to test their feasibility, and not import them back to the actual pages if they aren't completed and determined to be beneficial. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:29, 6 March 2022 (UTC)		My current stance right now is that I think I do prefer Kenny's compromise of removing the section from all articles while we continue to work on them and evaluate them behind-the-scenes. I think this is low on our list of priorities to work on. I am even considering that we can try to complete some appearance boxes on user subpages first, to test their feasibility, and not import them back to the actual pages if they aren't completed and determined to be beneficial. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:29, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
	:Want to add that the issue of the list being way too unwieldy was indeed raised years ago on the [[w:c:starwars:Talk:Star_Wars: The_Old Republic\|"''Star Wars: The Old Republic''" talk page]], along with the suggestion of moving it to a subpage. Thinking it over, if we do choose to retain this section, I would be open to using subpages after all (or perhaps only for the big RPGs) since we can organize the categories by their own section which could improve accessibility and readability. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)		:Want to add that the issue of the list being way too unwieldy was indeed raised years ago on the [[w:c:starwars:Talk:Star_Wars: The_Old Republic\|"''Star Wars: The Old Republic''" talk page]], along with the suggestion of moving it to a subpage. Thinking it over, if we do choose to retain this section, I would be open to using subpages after all (or perhaps only for the big RPGs) since we can organize the categories by their own section which could improve accessibility and readability. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
			::I'm not opposed to making them subpages like the gallery, sounds like a great option to me! Then it'll be there for people that would want to use them, but it won't hurt SEO. I agree that the lists of Origins/Oddysey/Valhalla might become extensive, but it would be weird to only make this lists for the older games, and completely remove them from these three due to the game containing 'too much'. Imho it could really be of value. I cannnot attest this for everyone of course, but for me personally I've always used such lists, also as a reader, not just as editor (I almost never edit on the Wookipedia but use the sections constantly).

			::My final suggestion is to move things to a user name space for now, work on it until it fits the views everyone has, and then move it to a subpage of the media article. That way we can keep things organized, whilst making it available for people that like to use them, without hurting SEO or having incomplete lists in the main space for long periods of times. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 10:55, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

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	:::::::Can you clarify what you mean by "super unbalanced". I really can't figure out what that means at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:51, 7 March 2022 (UTC)		:::::::Can you clarify what you mean by "super unbalanced". I really can't figure out what that means at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:51, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
	::::::::If we have a quota for the categories with everything else just being shunted into the misc section that section will get massive and not user friendly to find topics in. I think the list of categories should be allowed to be more flexible to mitigate this. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 18:35, 8 March 2022 (UTC)		::::::::If we have a quota for the categories with everything else just being shunted into the misc section that section will get massive and not user friendly to find topics in. I think the list of categories should be allowed to be more flexible to mitigate this. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 18:35, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::::::::That's a good point. I was thinking that a quota would be at minimum how many categories Wookieepedia uses (or how many we currently have up) which means that the misc category could never be more massive than what people are used to. However, I only brought up this suggestion because I presumed you guys would not want too many categories, but I really wouldn't mind having as many as we need. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:07, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

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	::::::For consistencies sake I’d say all should be moved to subpages not just the ones from latter entries. Also I feel by putting a quota on category the misc. category will become super unbalanced. I don’t know an exact fix for this. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:56, 7 March 2022 (UTC)		::::::For consistencies sake I’d say all should be moved to subpages not just the ones from latter entries. Also I feel by putting a quota on category the misc. category will become super unbalanced. I don’t know an exact fix for this. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:56, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
	:::::::Can you clarify what you mean by "super unbalanced". I really can't figure out what that means at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:51, 7 March 2022 (UTC)		:::::::Can you clarify what you mean by "super unbalanced". I really can't figure out what that means at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:51, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
			::::::::If we have a quota for the categories with everything else just being shunted into the misc section that section will get massive and not user friendly to find topics in. I think the list of categories should be allowed to be more flexible to mitigate this. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 18:35, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

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	:::::Yes, yours will be good. :) [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 23:02, 6 March 2022 (UTC)		:::::Yes, yours will be good. :) [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 23:02, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
	::::::For consistencies sake I’d say all should be moved to subpages not just the ones from latter entries. Also I feel by putting a quota on category the misc. category will become super unbalanced. I don’t know an exact fix for this. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:56, 7 March 2022 (UTC)		::::::For consistencies sake I’d say all should be moved to subpages not just the ones from latter entries. Also I feel by putting a quota on category the misc. category will become super unbalanced. I don’t know an exact fix for this. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:56, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::::::Can you clarify what you mean by "super unbalanced". I really can't figure out what that means at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:51, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

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	::::Sounds fine by me! :) I'm currently pre-occupied this evening but i'll be able to take a first look tomorrow. What user space will they be moved to? Mine? I'm fine with either as long as I can edit of course ;) [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 18:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)		::::Sounds fine by me! :) I'm currently pre-occupied this evening but i'll be able to take a first look tomorrow. What user space will they be moved to? Mine? I'm fine with either as long as I can edit of course ;) [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 18:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
	:::::Yes, yours will be good. :) [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 23:02, 6 March 2022 (UTC)		:::::Yes, yours will be good. :) [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 23:02, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
			::::::For consistencies sake I’d say all should be moved to subpages not just the ones from latter entries. Also I feel by putting a quota on category the misc. category will become super unbalanced. I don’t know an exact fix for this. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:56, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

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	:::So I actually think that not all the lists would need their own subpage when implemented because for some media, they could be shorter and so subpages could be superfluous. I also prefer to have the lists for ''Dynasty'' chapter pages because they help me track which content from which chapter we are still missing or I still haven't worked on. You are right, it would not make sense that we refrain from creating lists for the RPG installments because they would be too extensive. I think it is possible that only those three games need their own subpages, but we can also have all the main installments lists have their own subpages. Either way, it sounds like we have a plan. Shall we get to it right away? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 18:00, 6 March 2022 (UTC)		:::So I actually think that not all the lists would need their own subpage when implemented because for some media, they could be shorter and so subpages could be superfluous. I also prefer to have the lists for ''Dynasty'' chapter pages because they help me track which content from which chapter we are still missing or I still haven't worked on. You are right, it would not make sense that we refrain from creating lists for the RPG installments because they would be too extensive. I think it is possible that only those three games need their own subpages, but we can also have all the main installments lists have their own subpages. Either way, it sounds like we have a plan. Shall we get to it right away? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 18:00, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
	::::Sounds fine by me! :) I'm currently pre-occupied this evening but i'll be able to take a first look tomorrow. What user space will they be moved to? Mine? I'm fine with either as long as I can edit of course ;) [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 18:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)		::::Sounds fine by me! :) I'm currently pre-occupied this evening but i'll be able to take a first look tomorrow. What user space will they be moved to? Mine? I'm fine with either as long as I can edit of course ;) [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 18:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::::Yes, yours will be good. :) [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 23:02, 6 March 2022 (UTC)