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	I currently only have done most locations and mostly side quests, haven't come far with main quests yet. Does anybody have some more information about the subject? If the area (the whole map) turns out not to be Tartaros but Hades, with Tartaros being a small part of it, all articles and categories related to the latest DLC will need fixing in numerous ways :( I just don't know anymore what to think ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I'm quitely, secretly, kinda freaking out here, please help! [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 19:48, June 6, 2019 (UTC)		I currently only have done most locations and mostly side quests, haven't come far with main quests yet. Does anybody have some more information about the subject? If the area (the whole map) turns out not to be Tartaros but Hades, with Tartaros being a small part of it, all articles and categories related to the latest DLC will need fixing in numerous ways :( I just don't know anymore what to think ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I'm quitely, secretly, kinda freaking out here, please help! [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 19:48, June 6, 2019 (UTC)
	:For what it's worth, I'm of the opinion that we don't change anything ''yet''. Let's look at the whole picture, the dialogues, etc, and see if there's something confirming one or the other. Just relax: if there's a mistake, we'll fix it. :) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 19:57, June 6, 2019 (UTC)		:For what it's worth, I'm of the opinion that we don't change anything ''yet''. Let's look at the whole picture, the dialogues, etc, and see if there's something confirming one or the other. Just relax: if there's a mistake, we'll fix it. :) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 19:57, June 6, 2019 (UTC)
	Some more info I gathered. I went into the fortress and behind the Tartaros Veil (where Herakles is). That giant room has the corpses of several giants in them, hinting that this building at least is the actual Tartaros prison. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 20:19, June 6, 2019 (UTC)		Some more info I gathered. I went into the fortress and behind the Tartaros Veil (where Herakles is). That giant room has the corpses of several giants in them, hinting that this building at least is the actual Tartaros prison. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 20:19, June 6, 2019 (UTC)
	::If you go to the portals page it calls this whole region the Realm of the Underworld or just Underworld alongside Greece and Elysium. I propose we rename this to one of those and then make a page for Tartaros as the fortress. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:20, June 6, 2019 (UTC)		::If you go to the portals page it calls this whole region the Realm of the Underworld or just Underworld alongside Greece and Elysium. I propose we rename this to one of those and then make a page for Tartaros as the fortress. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:20, June 6, 2019 (UTC)
	:::There is already a page for Tartaros. I personally wouldn't call it just the underworld then, as the underworld had a name in Greek mythology, and it was called Hades. Unfortunately, Tartaros is also often called just underworld (incorrecty) so that doesn't immediately mean that it isn't Tartaros. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 07:57, June 7, 2019 (UTC)		:::There is already a page for Tartaros. I personally wouldn't call it just the underworld then, as the underworld had a name in Greek mythology, and it was called Hades. Unfortunately, Tartaros is also often called just underworld (incorrecty) so that doesn't immediately mean that it isn't Tartaros. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 07:57, June 7, 2019 (UTC)
	::::One problem (imo), is that this part of the DLC is called "Torment of Hades", which is pretty much what Tartaros is in Greek mythology, suggesting that the whole episode takes place in Tartaros. There's also the fact that both Tartaros and Elysium are places within the Greek underworld/Hades, regions of it, like Messara and Pephka are parts of Krete. (I wonder where the third episode's set?) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:00, June 7, 2019 (UTC)		::::One problem (imo), is that this part of the DLC is called "Torment of Hades", which is pretty much what Tartaros is in Greek mythology, suggesting that the whole episode takes place in Tartaros. There's also the fact that both Tartaros and Elysium are places within the Greek underworld/Hades, regions of it, like Messara and Pephka are parts of Krete. (I wonder where the third episode's set?) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:00, June 7, 2019 (UTC)
	:This particular [https://news.ubisoft.com/en-us/article/350795/assassins-creed-odyssey-enter-the-underworld-in-torment-of-hades page] called the location Tartaros. In fact, it seems like alot of things already confirmed the name of the place being Tartaros. Nothing wrong with another location being called Tartaros. The solution would be to create a page with the name and showing the differentiation, such as "Tartaros (fort)" etc. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 07:28, June 8, 2019 (UTC)		:This particular [https://news.ubisoft.com/en-us/article/350795/assassins-creed-odyssey-enter-the-underworld-in-torment-of-hades page] called the location Tartaros. In fact, it seems like alot of things already confirmed the name of the place being Tartaros. Nothing wrong with another location being called Tartaros. The solution would be to create a page with the name and showing the differentiation, such as "Tartaros (fort)" etc. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 07:28, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
	::Actually that page just calls it the "Underworld" and that you are sending escapees back to Tartaros which would make it a separate place. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 08:35, June 8, 2019 (UTC)		::Actually that page just calls it the "Underworld" and that you are sending escapees back to Tartaros which would make it a separate place. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 08:35, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
	:::Which might mean either the whole area, or just, well, the dungeon of Hades. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 08:43, June 8, 2019 (UTC)		:::Which might mean either the whole area, or just, well, the dungeon of Hades. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 08:43, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
	::::The fact that the Shaded are escaping from Tartaros into this realm points that this is not Tartaros. Since they also don’t call it Hades I still suggest we go with what the promotional media and the game actually use for the name which is just Underwolrd. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 14:45, June 8, 2019 (UTC)		::::The fact that the Shaded are escaping from Tartaros into this realm points that this is not Tartaros. Since they also don’t call it Hades I still suggest we go with what the promotional media and the game actually use for the name which is just Underwolrd. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 14:45, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
	:::::The only thing I'd like to note with that is that the Shaded could also be escaping another way. If they escape from the area by hiding behind the [[Tartaros Veil]], and thus becoming Shaded (and in some locations just behind a Tartaros Veil wall) it could also mean they're 'in a differen place', instead of the normal world map we walk in, Tartaros. In short, that would mean this world is Tartaros, and they escape by going through the Veil, thus appearing shaded. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 15:33, June 8, 2019 (UTC)		:::::The only thing I'd like to note with that is that the Shaded could also be escaping another way. If they escape from the area by hiding behind the [[Tartaros Veil]], and thus becoming Shaded (and in some locations just behind a Tartaros Veil wall) it could also mean they're 'in a differen place', instead of the normal world map we walk in, Tartaros. In short, that would mean this world is Tartaros, and they escape by going through the Veil, thus appearing shaded. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 15:33, June 8, 2019 (UTC)

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	So, I started working on articles about the newest DLC and made categories (like ~~[[:~~Category:Locations in Tartaros]]) and started working on memory pages, location pages and item pages. I ran through most of the map writing articles about locations etc, until I just discovered a new location in the [[Chasm of Torment]], namely [[Tartaros]]. A huge fortress in the northwestern corner of area, that has me a little worried.		So, I started working on articles about the newest DLC and made categories (like Category:Locations in Tartaros) and started working on memory pages, location pages and item pages. I ran through most of the map writing articles about locations etc, until I just discovered a new location in the [[Chasm of Torment]], namely [[Tartaros]]. A huge fortress in the northwestern corner of area, that has me a little worried.

	If that fortress is actually the dungeon called Tartaros, that means the whole region isn't Tartaros but [[Hades (place)\|Hades]], right? Or is the area Tartaros but does it also have a fortress also called Tartaros? I remember one of the side quests with Elpenor where we dealt with the Monger again, where we throw The Monger off a cliff, saying we brought the Monger back to Tartaros. I first thought that was because he was behind the Tartaros Veil in the temple, and thus not in Tartaros, but now i'm not so sure anymore.		If that fortress is actually the dungeon called Tartaros, that means the whole region isn't Tartaros but [[Hades (place)\|Hades]], right? Or is the area Tartaros but does it also have a fortress also called Tartaros? I remember one of the side quests with Elpenor where we dealt with the Monger again, where we throw The Monger off a cliff, saying we brought the Monger back to Tartaros. I first thought that was because he was behind the Tartaros Veil in the temple, and thus not in Tartaros, but now i'm not so sure anymore.

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	So, I started working on articles about the newest DLC and made categories (like [[:Category:Locations in Tartaros]]) and started working on memory pages, location pages and item pages. I ran through most of the map writing articles about locations etc, until I just discovered a new location in the [[Chasm of Torment]], namely [[Tartaros]]. A huge fortress in the northwestern corner of area, that has me a little worried.		So, I started working on articles about the newest DLC and made categories (like [[:Category:Locations in Tartaros]]) and started working on memory pages, location pages and item pages. I ran through most of the map writing articles about locations etc, until I just discovered a new location in the [[Chasm of Torment]], namely [[Tartaros]]. A huge fortress in the northwestern corner of area, that has me a little worried.

imported>Kennyannydenny: /* Tartaros vs. Hades */

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	::The region we visit in the DLC is [[Hades (place)\|Hades]], whilst Tartaros is the fortress within Hades. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:04, June 18, 2019 (UTC)		::The region we visit in the DLC is [[Hades (place)\|Hades]], whilst Tartaros is the fortress within Hades. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:04, June 18, 2019 (UTC)
	:::Ok, then we'll need to switch most Tartaros references to Hades, i'll get on it as i've caused the problem in the first place. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:50, June 18, 2019 (UTC)		:::Ok, then we'll need to switch most Tartaros references to Hades, i'll get on it as i've caused the problem in the first place. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:50, June 18, 2019 (UTC)
			:::Now that I think about it, that's the only correct answer. The river Styx can be seen flowing through the region, but the river styx wasn't found in the dungeon Tartaros itself, it did however flow through Hades. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 10:13, June 18, 2019 (UTC)

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	:I suppose this is proper solution for now. We do have an article named [[Hades (place)\|Hades]] as an option for the content shift, but I don't think it's suppose to refer to the same location. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 05:49, June 18, 2019 (UTC)		:I suppose this is proper solution for now. We do have an article named [[Hades (place)\|Hades]] as an option for the content shift, but I don't think it's suppose to refer to the same location. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 05:49, June 18, 2019 (UTC)
	::The region we visit in the DLC is [[Hades (place)\|Hades]], whilst Tartaros is the fortress within Hades. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:04, June 18, 2019 (UTC)		::The region we visit in the DLC is [[Hades (place)\|Hades]], whilst Tartaros is the fortress within Hades. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:04, June 18, 2019 (UTC)
			:::Ok, then we'll need to switch most Tartaros references to Hades, i'll get on it as i've caused the problem in the first place. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:50, June 18, 2019 (UTC)

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	Alright the loading screen tooltip "Tartaros Rifts" answers the question saying that inmates of Tartaros are escaping through them into the Underworld. So this realm is the wider Underwood of which Tartaros is just a part of. This is further supported by one of the region’s being called the Mourning Fields which was its own area separate from Tartaros in Greek Mythology. Now for the actual name of the realm the only thing supported in game is Underworld. I’m not the biggest fan of that but I think it’s the only real option. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 23:08, June 8, 2019 (UTC)		Alright the loading screen tooltip "Tartaros Rifts" answers the question saying that inmates of Tartaros are escaping through them into the Underworld. So this realm is the wider Underwood of which Tartaros is just a part of. This is further supported by one of the region’s being called the Mourning Fields which was its own area separate from Tartaros in Greek Mythology. Now for the actual name of the realm the only thing supported in game is Underworld. I’m not the biggest fan of that but I think it’s the only real option. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 23:08, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
	:I suppose this is proper solution for now. We do have an article named [[Hades (place)\|Hades]] as an option for the content shift, but I don't think it's suppose to refer to the same location. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 05:49, June 18, 2019 (UTC)		:I suppose this is proper solution for now. We do have an article named [[Hades (place)\|Hades]] as an option for the content shift, but I don't think it's suppose to refer to the same location. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 05:49, June 18, 2019 (UTC)
			::The region we visit in the DLC is [[Hades (place)\|Hades]], whilst Tartaros is the fortress within Hades. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:04, June 18, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Lady Kyashira: /* Tartaros vs. Hades */

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	Alright the loading screen tooltip "Tartaros Rifts" answers the question saying that inmates of Tartaros are escaping through them into the Underworld. So this realm is the wider Underwood of which Tartaros is just a part of. This is further supported by one of the region’s being called the Mourning Fields which was its own area separate from Tartaros in Greek Mythology. Now for the actual name of the realm the only thing supported in game is Underworld. I’m not the biggest fan of that but I think it’s the only real option. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 23:08, June 8, 2019 (UTC)		Alright the loading screen tooltip "Tartaros Rifts" answers the question saying that inmates of Tartaros are escaping through them into the Underworld. So this realm is the wider Underwood of which Tartaros is just a part of. This is further supported by one of the region’s being called the Mourning Fields which was its own area separate from Tartaros in Greek Mythology. Now for the actual name of the realm the only thing supported in game is Underworld. I’m not the biggest fan of that but I think it’s the only real option. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 23:08, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
			:I suppose this is proper solution for now. We do have an article named [[Hades (place)\|Hades]] as an option for the content shift, but I don't think it's suppose to refer to the same location. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 05:49, June 18, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Tartaros vs. Hades */

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	:::::The only thing I'd like to note with that is that the Shaded could also be escaping another way. If they escape from the area by hiding behind the [[Tartaros Veil]], and thus becoming Shaded (and in some locations just behind a Tartaros Veil wall) it could also mean they're 'in a differen place', instead of the normal world map we walk in, Tartaros. In short, that would mean this world is Tartaros, and they escape by going through the Veil, thus appearing shaded. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 15:33, June 8, 2019 (UTC)		:::::The only thing I'd like to note with that is that the Shaded could also be escaping another way. If they escape from the area by hiding behind the [[Tartaros Veil]], and thus becoming Shaded (and in some locations just behind a Tartaros Veil wall) it could also mean they're 'in a differen place', instead of the normal world map we walk in, Tartaros. In short, that would mean this world is Tartaros, and they escape by going through the Veil, thus appearing shaded. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 15:33, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
	Unfortunately, as I am quite behind on ''Odyssey'', having just completed the main story and not even having begun on the DLC, I cannot offer any perspective on this. :( [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 16:25, June 7, 2019 (UTC)		Unfortunately, as I am quite behind on ''Odyssey'', having just completed the main story and not even having begun on the DLC, I cannot offer any perspective on this. :( [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 16:25, June 7, 2019 (UTC)

			Alright the loading screen tooltip "Tartaros Rifts" answers the question saying that inmates of Tartaros are escaping through them into the Underworld. So this realm is the wider Underwood of which Tartaros is just a part of. This is further supported by one of the region’s being called the Mourning Fields which was its own area separate from Tartaros in Greek Mythology. Now for the actual name of the realm the only thing supported in game is Underworld. I’m not the biggest fan of that but I think it’s the only real option. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 23:08, June 8, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Kennyannydenny at 15:33, 8 June 2019

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	:::Which might mean either the whole area, or just, well, the dungeon of Hades. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 08:43, June 8, 2019 (UTC)		:::Which might mean either the whole area, or just, well, the dungeon of Hades. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 08:43, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
	::::The fact that the Shaded are escaping from Tartaros into this realm points that this is not Tartaros. Since they also don’t call it Hades I still suggest we go with what the promotional media and the game actually use for the name which is just Underwolrd. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 14:45, June 8, 2019 (UTC)		::::The fact that the Shaded are escaping from Tartaros into this realm points that this is not Tartaros. Since they also don’t call it Hades I still suggest we go with what the promotional media and the game actually use for the name which is just Underwolrd. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 14:45, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
	:::::The only thing I'd like to note with that is that the Shaded could also be escaping another way. If they escape from the area by hiding ~~between~~ the [[Tartaros Veil]], and thus becoming Shaded (and in some locations just behind a Tartaros Veil wall) it could also mean they're 'in a differen place', instead of the normal world map we walk in, Tartaros. In short, that would mean this world is Tartaros, and they escape by going through the Veil, thus appearing shaded. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 15:33, June 8, 2019 (UTC)		:::::The only thing I'd like to note with that is that the Shaded could also be escaping another way. If they escape from the area by hiding behind the [[Tartaros Veil]], and thus becoming Shaded (and in some locations just behind a Tartaros Veil wall) it could also mean they're 'in a differen place', instead of the normal world map we walk in, Tartaros. In short, that would mean this world is Tartaros, and they escape by going through the Veil, thus appearing shaded. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 15:33, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
	Unfortunately, as I am quite behind on ''Odyssey'', having just completed the main story and not even having begun on the DLC, I cannot offer any perspective on this. :( [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 16:25, June 7, 2019 (UTC)		Unfortunately, as I am quite behind on ''Odyssey'', having just completed the main story and not even having begun on the DLC, I cannot offer any perspective on this. :( [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 16:25, June 7, 2019 (UTC)

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	:::Which might mean either the whole area, or just, well, the dungeon of Hades. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 08:43, June 8, 2019 (UTC)		:::Which might mean either the whole area, or just, well, the dungeon of Hades. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 08:43, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
	::::The fact that the Shaded are escaping from Tartaros into this realm points that this is not Tartaros. Since they also don’t call it Hades I still suggest we go with what the promotional media and the game actually use for the name which is just Underwolrd. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 14:45, June 8, 2019 (UTC)		::::The fact that the Shaded are escaping from Tartaros into this realm points that this is not Tartaros. Since they also don’t call it Hades I still suggest we go with what the promotional media and the game actually use for the name which is just Underwolrd. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 14:45, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
			:::::The only thing I'd like to note with that is that the Shaded could also be escaping another way. If they escape from the area by hiding between the [[Tartaros Veil]], and thus becoming Shaded (and in some locations just behind a Tartaros Veil wall) it could also mean they're 'in a differen place', instead of the normal world map we walk in, Tartaros. In short, that would mean this world is Tartaros, and they escape by going through the Veil, thus appearing shaded. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 15:33, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
	Unfortunately, as I am quite behind on ''Odyssey'', having just completed the main story and not even having begun on the DLC, I cannot offer any perspective on this. :( [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 16:25, June 7, 2019 (UTC)		Unfortunately, as I am quite behind on ''Odyssey'', having just completed the main story and not even having begun on the DLC, I cannot offer any perspective on this. :( [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 16:25, June 7, 2019 (UTC)

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	I currently only have done most locations and mostly side quests, haven't come far with main quests yet. Does anybody have some more information about the subject? If the area (the whole map) turns out not to be Tartaros but Hades, with Tartaros being a small part of it, all articles and categories related to the latest DLC will need fixing in numerous ways :( I just don't know anymore what to think ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I'm quitely, secretly, kinda freaking out here, please help! [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 19:48, June 6, 2019 (UTC)		I currently only have done most locations and mostly side quests, haven't come far with main quests yet. Does anybody have some more information about the subject? If the area (the whole map) turns out not to be Tartaros but Hades, with Tartaros being a small part of it, all articles and categories related to the latest DLC will need fixing in numerous ways :( I just don't know anymore what to think ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I'm quitely, secretly, kinda freaking out here, please help! [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 19:48, June 6, 2019 (UTC)
	:For what it's worth, I'm of the opinion that we don't change anything ''yet''. Let's look at the whole picture, the dialogues, etc, and see if there's something confirming one or the other. Just relax: if there's a mistake, we'll fix it. :) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 19:57, June 6, 2019 (UTC)		:For what it's worth, I'm of the opinion that we don't change anything ''yet''. Let's look at the whole picture, the dialogues, etc, and see if there's something confirming one or the other. Just relax: if there's a mistake, we'll fix it. :) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 19:57, June 6, 2019 (UTC)
	Some more info I gathered. I went into the fortress and behind the Tartaros Veil (where Herakles is). That giant room has the corpses of several giants in them, hinting that this building at least is the actual Tartaros prison. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 20:19, June 6, 2019 (UTC)		Some more info I gathered. I went into the fortress and behind the Tartaros Veil (where Herakles is). That giant room has the corpses of several giants in them, hinting that this building at least is the actual Tartaros prison. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 20:19, June 6, 2019 (UTC)
	::If you go to the portals page it calls this whole region the Realm of the Underworld or just Underworld alongside Greece and Elysium. I propose we rename this to one of those and then make a page for Tartaros as the fortress. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:20, June 6, 2019 (UTC)		::If you go to the portals page it calls this whole region the Realm of the Underworld or just Underworld alongside Greece and Elysium. I propose we rename this to one of those and then make a page for Tartaros as the fortress. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:20, June 6, 2019 (UTC)
	:::There is already a page for Tartaros. I personally wouldn't call it just the underworld then, as the underworld had a name in Greek mythology, and it was called Hades. Unfortunately, Tartaros is also often called just underworld (incorrecty) so that doesn't immediately mean that it isn't Tartaros. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 07:57, June 7, 2019 (UTC)		:::There is already a page for Tartaros. I personally wouldn't call it just the underworld then, as the underworld had a name in Greek mythology, and it was called Hades. Unfortunately, Tartaros is also often called just underworld (incorrecty) so that doesn't immediately mean that it isn't Tartaros. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 07:57, June 7, 2019 (UTC)
	::::One problem (imo), is that this part of the DLC is called "Torment of Hades", which is pretty much what Tartaros is in Greek mythology, suggesting that the whole episode takes place in Tartaros. There's also the fact that both Tartaros and Elysium are places within the Greek underworld/Hades, regions of it, like Messara and Pephka are parts of Krete. (I wonder where the third episode's set?) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:00, June 7, 2019 (UTC)		::::One problem (imo), is that this part of the DLC is called "Torment of Hades", which is pretty much what Tartaros is in Greek mythology, suggesting that the whole episode takes place in Tartaros. There's also the fact that both Tartaros and Elysium are places within the Greek underworld/Hades, regions of it, like Messara and Pephka are parts of Krete. (I wonder where the third episode's set?) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:00, June 7, 2019 (UTC)
	:This particular [https://news.ubisoft.com/en-us/article/350795/assassins-creed-odyssey-enter-the-underworld-in-torment-of-hades page] called the location Tartaros. In fact, it seems like alot of things already confirmed the name of the place being Tartaros. Nothing wrong with another location being called Tartaros. The solution would be to create a page with the name and showing the differentiation, such as "Tartaros (fort)" etc. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 07:28, June 8, 2019 (UTC)		:This particular [https://news.ubisoft.com/en-us/article/350795/assassins-creed-odyssey-enter-the-underworld-in-torment-of-hades page] called the location Tartaros. In fact, it seems like alot of things already confirmed the name of the place being Tartaros. Nothing wrong with another location being called Tartaros. The solution would be to create a page with the name and showing the differentiation, such as "Tartaros (fort)" etc. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 07:28, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
	::Actually that page just calls it the "Underworld" and that you are sending escapees back to Tartaros which would make it a separate place. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 08:35, June 8, 2019 (UTC)		::Actually that page just calls it the "Underworld" and that you are sending escapees back to Tartaros which would make it a separate place. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 08:35, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
	:::Which might mean either the whole area, or just, well, the dungeon of Hades. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 08:43, June 8, 2019 (UTC)		:::Which might mean either the whole area, or just, well, the dungeon of Hades. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 08:43, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
	::::The fact that the Shaded are escaping from Tartaros into this realm points that this is not Tartaros. Since they also don’t call it Hades I still suggest we go with what the promotional media and the game actually use for the name which is just Underwolrd. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 14:45, June 8, 2019 (UTC)		::::The fact that the Shaded are escaping from Tartaros into this realm points that this is not Tartaros. Since they also don’t call it Hades I still suggest we go with what the promotional media and the game actually use for the name which is just Underwolrd. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 14:45, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
	:::::The only thing I'd like to note with that is that the Shaded could also be escaping another way. If they escape from the area by hiding behind the [[Tartaros Veil]], and thus becoming Shaded (and in some locations just behind a Tartaros Veil wall) it could also mean they're 'in a differen place', instead of the normal world map we walk in, Tartaros. In short, that would mean this world is Tartaros, and they escape by going through the Veil, thus appearing shaded. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 15:33, June 8, 2019 (UTC)		:::::The only thing I'd like to note with that is that the Shaded could also be escaping another way. If they escape from the area by hiding behind the [[Tartaros Veil]], and thus becoming Shaded (and in some locations just behind a Tartaros Veil wall) it could also mean they're 'in a differen place', instead of the normal world map we walk in, Tartaros. In short, that would mean this world is Tartaros, and they escape by going through the Veil, thus appearing shaded. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 15:33, June 8, 2019 (UTC)

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	::The region we visit in the DLC is [[Hades (place)\|Hades]], whilst Tartaros is the fortress within Hades. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:04, June 18, 2019 (UTC)		::The region we visit in the DLC is [[Hades (place)\|Hades]], whilst Tartaros is the fortress within Hades. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:04, June 18, 2019 (UTC)
	:::Ok, then we'll need to switch most Tartaros references to Hades, i'll get on it as i've caused the problem in the first place. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:50, June 18, 2019 (UTC)		:::Ok, then we'll need to switch most Tartaros references to Hades, i'll get on it as i've caused the problem in the first place. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:50, June 18, 2019 (UTC)
			:::Now that I think about it, that's the only correct answer. The river Styx can be seen flowing through the region, but the river styx wasn't found in the dungeon Tartaros itself, it did however flow through Hades. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 10:13, June 18, 2019 (UTC)

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	:I suppose this is proper solution for now. We do have an article named [[Hades (place)\|Hades]] as an option for the content shift, but I don't think it's suppose to refer to the same location. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 05:49, June 18, 2019 (UTC)		:I suppose this is proper solution for now. We do have an article named [[Hades (place)\|Hades]] as an option for the content shift, but I don't think it's suppose to refer to the same location. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 05:49, June 18, 2019 (UTC)
	::The region we visit in the DLC is [[Hades (place)\|Hades]], whilst Tartaros is the fortress within Hades. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:04, June 18, 2019 (UTC)		::The region we visit in the DLC is [[Hades (place)\|Hades]], whilst Tartaros is the fortress within Hades. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:04, June 18, 2019 (UTC)
			:::Ok, then we'll need to switch most Tartaros references to Hades, i'll get on it as i've caused the problem in the first place. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:50, June 18, 2019 (UTC)

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	Alright the loading screen tooltip "Tartaros Rifts" answers the question saying that inmates of Tartaros are escaping through them into the Underworld. So this realm is the wider Underwood of which Tartaros is just a part of. This is further supported by one of the region’s being called the Mourning Fields which was its own area separate from Tartaros in Greek Mythology. Now for the actual name of the realm the only thing supported in game is Underworld. I’m not the biggest fan of that but I think it’s the only real option. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 23:08, June 8, 2019 (UTC)		Alright the loading screen tooltip "Tartaros Rifts" answers the question saying that inmates of Tartaros are escaping through them into the Underworld. So this realm is the wider Underwood of which Tartaros is just a part of. This is further supported by one of the region’s being called the Mourning Fields which was its own area separate from Tartaros in Greek Mythology. Now for the actual name of the realm the only thing supported in game is Underworld. I’m not the biggest fan of that but I think it’s the only real option. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 23:08, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
	:I suppose this is proper solution for now. We do have an article named [[Hades (place)\|Hades]] as an option for the content shift, but I don't think it's suppose to refer to the same location. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 05:49, June 18, 2019 (UTC)		:I suppose this is proper solution for now. We do have an article named [[Hades (place)\|Hades]] as an option for the content shift, but I don't think it's suppose to refer to the same location. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 05:49, June 18, 2019 (UTC)
			::The region we visit in the DLC is [[Hades (place)\|Hades]], whilst Tartaros is the fortress within Hades. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:04, June 18, 2019 (UTC)

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	:::::The only thing I'd like to note with that is that the Shaded could also be escaping another way. If they escape from the area by hiding behind the [[Tartaros Veil]], and thus becoming Shaded (and in some locations just behind a Tartaros Veil wall) it could also mean they're 'in a differen place', instead of the normal world map we walk in, Tartaros. In short, that would mean this world is Tartaros, and they escape by going through the Veil, thus appearing shaded. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 15:33, June 8, 2019 (UTC)		:::::The only thing I'd like to note with that is that the Shaded could also be escaping another way. If they escape from the area by hiding behind the [[Tartaros Veil]], and thus becoming Shaded (and in some locations just behind a Tartaros Veil wall) it could also mean they're 'in a differen place', instead of the normal world map we walk in, Tartaros. In short, that would mean this world is Tartaros, and they escape by going through the Veil, thus appearing shaded. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 15:33, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
	Unfortunately, as I am quite behind on ''Odyssey'', having just completed the main story and not even having begun on the DLC, I cannot offer any perspective on this. :( [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 16:25, June 7, 2019 (UTC)		Unfortunately, as I am quite behind on ''Odyssey'', having just completed the main story and not even having begun on the DLC, I cannot offer any perspective on this. :( [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 16:25, June 7, 2019 (UTC)

			Alright the loading screen tooltip "Tartaros Rifts" answers the question saying that inmates of Tartaros are escaping through them into the Underworld. So this realm is the wider Underwood of which Tartaros is just a part of. This is further supported by one of the region’s being called the Mourning Fields which was its own area separate from Tartaros in Greek Mythology. Now for the actual name of the realm the only thing supported in game is Underworld. I’m not the biggest fan of that but I think it’s the only real option. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 23:08, June 8, 2019 (UTC)