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imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Bayek's section */

2022-11-04T06:03:16Z

Bayek's section

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	:Alternately, what about similar formatting to the skill tree charts? You could bold the updated info (''Odyssey'') or just keep it separate from the original write-up (''Valhalla''). – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 05:40, 4 November 2022 (UTC)		:Alternately, what about similar formatting to the skill tree charts? You could bold the updated info (''Odyssey'') or just keep it separate from the original write-up (''Valhalla''). – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 05:40, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
			::That could work possibly the best, not sure how to annotate the hippo originally being labelled the snake though. might just have to be as a footnote. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 06:03, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

imported>Darman36: /* Bayek's section */

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Bayek's section

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	The flavor text for Bayek's target go through three levels of changes with only the cryptonym known, the target revealed, and the target dead. I'm not sure how to format this progression especially since for the Hippo it also results in the cryptonym changing. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 04:56, 4 November 2022 (UTC)		The flavor text for Bayek's target go through three levels of changes with only the cryptonym known, the target revealed, and the target dead. I'm not sure how to format this progression especially since for the Hippo it also results in the cryptonym changing. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 04:56, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
			:What if you had embedded tabs like this?
			<tabber>
			\|-\|Target 1=
			{{#tag:tabber\|
			Cryptonym=
			Info 1
			{{!}}-{{!}}
			Identity revealed=
			Info 2
			{{!}}-{{!}}
			Target dead=
			Info 3
			}}
			\|-\|Target 2=
			{{#tag:tabber\|
			etc=
			}}
			</tabber>
			:Alternately, what about similar formatting to the skill tree charts? You could bold the updated info (''Odyssey'') or just keep it separate from the original write-up (''Valhalla''). – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 05:40, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Bayek's section */ new section

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	:This does make those other pages sort of redundant but there are some differences I see. Mainly this is about an animus function that just so happens to contextualize IU documents but I think we still need pages for those IU documents for categorization purposes. I am of course open to ideas to lessen overlap. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:49, 25 February 2021 (UTC)		:This does make those other pages sort of redundant but there are some differences I see. Mainly this is about an animus function that just so happens to contextualize IU documents but I think we still need pages for those IU documents for categorization purposes. I am of course open to ideas to lessen overlap. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:49, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
	::I agree with Lacrosse, there are differences which I feel are enough to justify the existance of both pages, one is about the animus, other about the actual items/conversations Kassandra and Eivor found/heard. Also, speaking from an archivist's perspective, it's fine for some redundancy to exist if it serves a purpose, which I argue it does, at least for us. It's better for us to cite the clues in the clues' pages because there isn't any bloat in that page and particular items can be pointed to and easily found, though I know some people might disagree. While the target page can contain other important information which we can't separate from the target menu, namely the bios and the clues' interpretations. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 14:37, 25 February 2021 (UTC)		::I agree with Lacrosse, there are differences which I feel are enough to justify the existance of both pages, one is about the animus, other about the actual items/conversations Kassandra and Eivor found/heard. Also, speaking from an archivist's perspective, it's fine for some redundancy to exist if it serves a purpose, which I argue it does, at least for us. It's better for us to cite the clues in the clues' pages because there isn't any bloat in that page and particular items can be pointed to and easily found, though I know some people might disagree. While the target page can contain other important information which we can't separate from the target menu, namely the bios and the clues' interpretations. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 14:37, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

			== Bayek's section ==

			The flavor text for Bayek's target go through three levels of changes with only the cryptonym known, the target revealed, and the target dead. I'm not sure how to format this progression especially since for the Hippo it also results in the cryptonym changing. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 04:56, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

imported>Soranin: /* Menu vs clues */

2021-02-25T14:37:30Z

Menu vs clues

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	What exactly is the difference between this page and both [[Cult of Kosmos clues]] or [[Order of the Ancients clues]]? Because looking through it, I see all the Kosmos clues are here, as are most of the Order clues in ''Legacy of the First Blade''—barring a few missing notes from Darius and Natakas' prior investigations—even though both clues pages have the older history. Given the similarities, and how so much more thorough this one is in light of ''Valhalla'', shouldn't any remaining info from the clues pages be merged here and the pages renamed/deleted? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 03:10, 25 February 2021 (UTC)		What exactly is the difference between this page and both [[Cult of Kosmos clues]] or [[Order of the Ancients clues]]? Because looking through it, I see all the Kosmos clues are here, as are most of the Order clues in ''Legacy of the First Blade''—barring a few missing notes from Darius and Natakas' prior investigations—even though both clues pages have the older history. Given the similarities, and how so much more thorough this one is in light of ''Valhalla'', shouldn't any remaining info from the clues pages be merged here and the pages renamed/deleted? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 03:10, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
	:This does make those other pages sort of redundant but there are some differences I see. Mainly this is about an animus function that just so happens to contextualize IU documents but I think we still need pages for those IU documents for categorization purposes. I am of course open to ideas to lessen ~~overalp~~. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:49, 25 February 2021 (UTC)		:This does make those other pages sort of redundant but there are some differences I see. Mainly this is about an animus function that just so happens to contextualize IU documents but I think we still need pages for those IU documents for categorization purposes. I am of course open to ideas to lessen overlap. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:49, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
			::I agree with Lacrosse, there are differences which I feel are enough to justify the existance of both pages, one is about the animus, other about the actual items/conversations Kassandra and Eivor found/heard. Also, speaking from an archivist's perspective, it's fine for some redundancy to exist if it serves a purpose, which I argue it does, at least for us. It's better for us to cite the clues in the clues' pages because there isn't any bloat in that page and particular items can be pointed to and easily found, though I know some people might disagree. While the target page can contain other important information which we can't separate from the target menu, namely the bios and the clues' interpretations. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 14:37, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Menu vs clues */

2021-02-25T12:49:47Z

Menu vs clues

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	What exactly is the difference between this page and both [[Cult of Kosmos clues]] or [[Order of the Ancients clues]]? Because looking through it, I see all the Kosmos clues are here, as are most of the Order clues in ''Legacy of the First Blade''—barring a few missing notes from Darius and Natakas' prior investigations—even though both clues pages have the older history. Given the similarities, and how so much more thorough this one is in light of ''Valhalla'', shouldn't any remaining info from the clues pages be merged here and the pages renamed/deleted? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 03:10, 25 February 2021 (UTC)		What exactly is the difference between this page and both [[Cult of Kosmos clues]] or [[Order of the Ancients clues]]? Because looking through it, I see all the Kosmos clues are here, as are most of the Order clues in ''Legacy of the First Blade''—barring a few missing notes from Darius and Natakas' prior investigations—even though both clues pages have the older history. Given the similarities, and how so much more thorough this one is in light of ''Valhalla'', shouldn't any remaining info from the clues pages be merged here and the pages renamed/deleted? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 03:10, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
			:This does make those other pages sort of redundant but there are some differences I see. Mainly this is about an animus function that just so happens to contextualize IU documents but I think we still need pages for those IU documents for categorization purposes. I am of course open to ideas to lessen overalp. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:49, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

imported>Darman36 at 03:10, 25 February 2021

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	I’m not sold on alphabetical order of individuals I think we should order them within there’s groups either mirroring the layout in the menu or by how we find their clues and reveal them. I also think the clues should come before the biographies and maybe left align the flavor text rather than center? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 15:41, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		I’m not sold on alphabetical order of individuals I think we should order them within there’s groups either mirroring the layout in the menu or by how we find their clues and reveal them. I also think the clues should come before the biographies and maybe left align the flavor text rather than center? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 15:41, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	:I'm also not keen on the current ordering but the issue of the ordering is, for example the cultists from the Silver Vein and Worshippers of the Bloodline. Both of these braches have their layout being "A links to B who links to C, D links to E who links to C and C links to the sage". The clue stuff also has the issue of some of them being killable without finding clues, for example, I killed Melite from the Worshippers of the Bloodline (the C in the example) while exploring Krete, with no warning. Just like, "huh, this enemy is a bit harder than the others."		:I'm also not keen on the current ordering but the issue of the ordering is, for example the cultists from the Silver Vein and Worshippers of the Bloodline. Both of these braches have their layout being "A links to B who links to C, D links to E who links to C and C links to the sage". The clue stuff also has the issue of some of them being killable without finding clues, for example, I killed Melite from the Worshippers of the Bloodline (the C in the example) while exploring Krete, with no warning. Just like, "huh, this enemy is a bit harder than the others."<br><br>I will push back on the order of clues-bio however, it would be fine if they had the same amount of clues, but comparing Aspasia and Deimos for sake of example that's 6 to 1. In bio-clues, the bios are set and then you have any amount of clues following. In clues-bio, the placement of the bio would be "jumping" from place to place. Besides that, the target menu has the bio be on top of the clues.<br><br>On the alignment, do you mean all text or only the description for the clues? - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 18:35, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	:I will push back on the order of clues-bio however, it would be fine if they had the same amount of clues, but comparing Aspasia and Deimos for sake of example that's 6 to 1. In bio-clues, the bios are set and then you have any amount of clues following. In clues-bio, the placement of the bio would be "jumping" from place to place. Besides that, the target menu has the bio be on top of the clues.
	:On the alignment, do you mean all text or only the description for the clues? - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 18:35, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

	~~== Format of content ==~~

			==Format of content==
	Before I edit more I guess what needs to be discussed is how closely we copy the formatting of the information on the actual menu page and its diegetic nature. For the Kassandra session we use "clue" and "interpretation" while the menu uses "related item" and "clue" respectively; there is no "obtained" field so I'm wondering if we should move that to just the bottom of the text in a parenthetical like with the Altair Codex. The Bio section replaces Clues which to me means it should come after not before. There is also a rewards section for what you get when you kill them. The targets also speak a quote when revealed. If not all, how much of this information should we concern ourselves with and how should we portray it? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 07:39, 26 December 2020 (UTC)		Before I edit more I guess what needs to be discussed is how closely we copy the formatting of the information on the actual menu page and its diegetic nature. For the Kassandra session we use "clue" and "interpretation" while the menu uses "related item" and "clue" respectively; there is no "obtained" field so I'm wondering if we should move that to just the bottom of the text in a parenthetical like with the Altair Codex. The Bio section replaces Clues which to me means it should come after not before. There is also a rewards section for what you get when you kill them. The targets also speak a quote when revealed. If not all, how much of this information should we concern ourselves with and how should we portray it? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 07:39, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
	:Hmm. We could change "clue" and "interpretation" to "related item" and "clue", but I don't think we should abolish the obtained field. It's not as loyal as not having it, but I'd argue it's more for our control than anything else. As I've said before, the bio coming first is purely a matter of consistency between tables, because it's better having it be always first rather then first in some tables, second in others and ninth on another, for example.		:Hmm. We could change "clue" and "interpretation" to "related item" and "clue", but I don't think we should abolish the obtained field. It's not as loyal as not having it, but I'd argue it's more for our control than anything else. As I've said before, the bio coming first is purely a matter of consistency between tables, because it's better having it be always first rather then first in some tables, second in others and ninth on another, for example.<br><br>I'm unsure whether we should include the rewards, but I'd argue the quotes are at least interesting and do give more of a sense of who the cultists were. Found a youtube video with all of them, will start the transcription on my primary sandbox in the meanwhile. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 13:34, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

	~~:I'm unsure whether we should include~~ the ~~rewards~~, ~~but~~ I~~'d argue~~ the ~~quotes~~ are ~~at least interesting and do give more~~ of a ~~sense of who~~ the ~~cultists were~~. ~~Found a youtube video with all~~ of ~~them~~, ~~will start~~ the ~~transcription on my primary sandbox in~~ the ~~meanwhile. -~~ [[User:~~Soranin~~\|~~Soranin~~]] ([[User talk:~~Soranin~~\|talk]]) 13:34, ~~26 December 2020~~ (UTC)		==Menu vs clues==
			What exactly is the difference between this page and both [[Cult of Kosmos clues]] or [[Order of the Ancients clues]]? Because looking through it, I see all the Kosmos clues are here, as are most of the Order clues in ''Legacy of the First Blade''—barring a few missing notes from Darius and Natakas' prior investigations—even though both clues pages have the older history. Given the similarities, and how so much more thorough this one is in light of ''Valhalla'', shouldn't any remaining info from the clues pages be merged here and the pages renamed/deleted? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 03:10, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

imported>Soranin: /* Format of content */

2020-12-26T13:34:58Z

Format of content

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	Before I edit more I guess what needs to be discussed is how closely we copy the formatting of the information on the actual menu page and its diegetic nature. For the Kassandra session we use "clue" and "interpretation" while the menu uses "related item" and "clue" respectively; there is no "obtained" field so I'm wondering if we should move that to just the bottom of the text in a parenthetical like with the Altair Codex. The Bio section replaces Clues which to me means it should come after not before. There is also a rewards section for what you get when you kill them. The targets also speak a quote when revealed. If not all, how much of this information should we concern ourselves with and how should we portray it? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 07:39, 26 December 2020 (UTC)		Before I edit more I guess what needs to be discussed is how closely we copy the formatting of the information on the actual menu page and its diegetic nature. For the Kassandra session we use "clue" and "interpretation" while the menu uses "related item" and "clue" respectively; there is no "obtained" field so I'm wondering if we should move that to just the bottom of the text in a parenthetical like with the Altair Codex. The Bio section replaces Clues which to me means it should come after not before. There is also a rewards section for what you get when you kill them. The targets also speak a quote when revealed. If not all, how much of this information should we concern ourselves with and how should we portray it? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 07:39, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
			:Hmm. We could change "clue" and "interpretation" to "related item" and "clue", but I don't think we should abolish the obtained field. It's not as loyal as not having it, but I'd argue it's more for our control than anything else. As I've said before, the bio coming first is purely a matter of consistency between tables, because it's better having it be always first rather then first in some tables, second in others and ninth on another, for example.

			:I'm unsure whether we should include the rewards, but I'd argue the quotes are at least interesting and do give more of a sense of who the cultists were. Found a youtube video with all of them, will start the transcription on my primary sandbox in the meanwhile. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 13:34, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Format of content */ new section

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	:I will push back on the order of clues-bio however, it would be fine if they had the same amount of clues, but comparing Aspasia and Deimos for sake of example that's 6 to 1. In bio-clues, the bios are set and then you have any amount of clues following. In clues-bio, the placement of the bio would be "jumping" from place to place. Besides that, the target menu has the bio be on top of the clues.		:I will push back on the order of clues-bio however, it would be fine if they had the same amount of clues, but comparing Aspasia and Deimos for sake of example that's 6 to 1. In bio-clues, the bios are set and then you have any amount of clues following. In clues-bio, the placement of the bio would be "jumping" from place to place. Besides that, the target menu has the bio be on top of the clues.
	:On the alignment, do you mean all text or only the description for the clues? - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 18:35, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		:On the alignment, do you mean all text or only the description for the clues? - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 18:35, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

			== Format of content ==

			Before I edit more I guess what needs to be discussed is how closely we copy the formatting of the information on the actual menu page and its diegetic nature. For the Kassandra session we use "clue" and "interpretation" while the menu uses "related item" and "clue" respectively; there is no "obtained" field so I'm wondering if we should move that to just the bottom of the text in a parenthetical like with the Altair Codex. The Bio section replaces Clues which to me means it should come after not before. There is also a rewards section for what you get when you kill them. The targets also speak a quote when revealed. If not all, how much of this information should we concern ourselves with and how should we portray it? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 07:39, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: Lacrossedeamon moved page User talk:Lacrossedeamon/Target menu to Talk:Target menu without leaving a redirect: Fuck it we’ll do it live

2020-12-24T15:39:11Z

Lacrossedeamon moved page User talk:Lacrossedeamon/Target menu to Talk:Target menu without leaving a redirect: Fuck it we’ll do it live

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imported>Soranin: /* Ordering */

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	I’m not sold on alphabetical order of individuals I think we should order them within there’s groups either mirroring the layout in the menu or by how we find their clues and reveal them. I also think the clues should come before the biographies and maybe left align the flavor text rather than center? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 15:41, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		I’m not sold on alphabetical order of individuals I think we should order them within there’s groups either mirroring the layout in the menu or by how we find their clues and reveal them. I also think the clues should come before the biographies and maybe left align the flavor text rather than center? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 15:41, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
			:I'm also not keen on the current ordering but the issue of the ordering is, for example the cultists from the Silver Vein and Worshippers of the Bloodline. Both of these braches have their layout being "A links to B who links to C, D links to E who links to C and C links to the sage". The clue stuff also has the issue of some of them being killable without finding clues, for example, I killed Melite from the Worshippers of the Bloodline (the C in the example) while exploring Krete, with no warning. Just like, "huh, this enemy is a bit harder than the others."
			:I will push back on the order of clues-bio however, it would be fine if they had the same amount of clues, but comparing Aspasia and Deimos for sake of example that's 6 to 1. In bio-clues, the bios are set and then you have any amount of clues following. In clues-bio, the placement of the bio would be "jumping" from place to place. Besides that, the target menu has the bio be on top of the clues.
			:On the alignment, do you mean all text or only the description for the clues? - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 18:35, 21 December 2020 (UTC)