Talk:Sword of Eden 1 - Revision history

imported>RebeccaAWB: Adding {{Talkheader}}

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	==Multiple swords==		==Multiple swords==
	Is there a source stating that there are multiple swords? I don't see why Genghis Khan's sword and Germain's can't be the same weapon (difference in appearance can easily be attributed to artistic licence). --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 16:34, November 10, 2015 (UTC)		Is there a source stating that there are multiple swords? I don't see why Genghis Khan's sword and Germain's can't be the same weapon (difference in appearance can easily be attributed to artistic licence). --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 16:34, November 10, 2015 (UTC)

imported>Miracle guy: /* Sword of Eden 1's owners */

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	==Sword of Eden 1's owners==		==Sword of Eden 1's owners==
	<p style="font-weight:normal;">~~'''~~I've seen the fifth glyph in ACII and it describes the Sword wielded by Perseus, Attila the Hun, Sigmund, King Arthur and Joan of Arc as the same: PIECE OF EDEN 25. So, why don't we include that in the article? There is any clue in the franchise that rejects this point? '''''[[User:Miracle guy\|Miracle guy]] ([[User talk:Miracle guy\|talk]]) 00:04, September 12, 2017 (UTC)'''</p>		<p style="font-weight:normal;">I've seen the fifth glyph in ACII and it describes the Sword wielded by Perseus, Attila the Hun, Sigmund, King Arthur and Joan of Arc as the same: PIECE OF EDEN 25.'' ''So, why don't we include that in the article? There is any clue in the franchise that rejects this point?'' '''''[[User:Miracle guy\|Miracle guy]] ([[User talk:Miracle guy\|talk]]) 00:04, September 12, 2017 (UTC)'''</p>

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imported>Miracle guy: /* Sword of Eden 1's owners */

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	::Maybe Thomas de Carneillon recovered the Sword after killing de Molay's advisor but didn't found the Codex, it's seem very strange he didn't found the enter of the vault. He maybe hid the artefact in Sainte-Catherine.[[User:Francesco75\|Francesco75]] ([[User talk:Francesco75\|talk]]) 22:14, February 10, 2017 (UTC)		::Maybe Thomas de Carneillon recovered the Sword after killing de Molay's advisor but didn't found the Codex, it's seem very strange he didn't found the enter of the vault. He maybe hid the artefact in Sainte-Catherine.[[User:Francesco75\|Francesco75]] ([[User talk:Francesco75\|talk]]) 22:14, February 10, 2017 (UTC)

	==~~'''~~Sword of Eden 1's owners~~'''~~==		==Sword of Eden 1's owners==
	<p style="font-weight:normal;">'''I've seen the fifth glyph in ACII and it describes the Sword wielded by Perseus, Attila the Hun, Sigmund, King Arthur and Joan of Arc as the same: PIECE OF EDEN 25. So, why don't we include that in the article? There is any clue in the franchise that rejects this point? ''''''[[User:Miracle guy\|Miracle guy]] ([[User talk:Miracle guy\|talk]]) 00:04, September 12, 2017 (UTC)'''</p>		<p style="font-weight:normal;">'''I've seen the fifth glyph in ACII and it describes the Sword wielded by Perseus, Attila the Hun, Sigmund, King Arthur and Joan of Arc as the same: PIECE OF EDEN 25. So, why don't we include that in the article? There is any clue in the franchise that rejects this point? '''''[[User:Miracle guy\|Miracle guy]] ([[User talk:Miracle guy\|talk]]) 00:04, September 12, 2017 (UTC)'''</p>

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	::Maybe Thomas de Carneillon recovered the Sword after killing de Molay's advisor but didn't found the Codex, it's seem very strange he didn't found the enter of the vault. He maybe hid the artefact in Sainte-Catherine.[[User:Francesco75\|Francesco75]] ([[User talk:Francesco75\|talk]]) 22:14, February 10, 2017 (UTC)		::Maybe Thomas de Carneillon recovered the Sword after killing de Molay's advisor but didn't found the Codex, it's seem very strange he didn't found the enter of the vault. He maybe hid the artefact in Sainte-Catherine.[[User:Francesco75\|Francesco75]] ([[User talk:Francesco75\|talk]]) 22:14, February 10, 2017 (UTC)

			=='''Sword of Eden 1's owners'''==
			<p style="font-weight:normal;">'''I've seen the fifth glyph in ACII and it describes the Sword wielded by Perseus, Attila the Hun, Sigmund, King Arthur and Joan of Arc as the same: PIECE OF EDEN 25. So, why don't we include that in the article? There is any clue in the franchise that rejects this point? ''''''[[User:Miracle guy\|Miracle guy]] ([[User talk:Miracle guy\|talk]]) 00:04, September 12, 2017 (UTC)'''</p>

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imported>Francesco75: /* Piece of Eden 25? */

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	::It's found by Laxart (and de Metz) in Sainte-Catherine-de-Fierbois after Joan asks him to retrieve the sword for her. If I'm remembering correctly, the Templar presence was driven out of mainland Europe after de Molay's execution so they retreat to England from where they basically manipulate the Hundred Years' War with a sight on regaining their position in France. So it's not unreasonable that the Temple was hit while the Templars were weak and the Sword was taken. The book doesn't say who stole the Sword from Joan (someone basically goes "yoink!" when she's distracted by her injury) but that the Templars returned it to the Temple. The Codex isn't mentioned though. But Consus works in mysterious I guess? [[User:Vetinari\|<b><span style="color: black">Vetinari</span></b>]]<sup>[[User talk:Vetinari\|(Appointment)]]</sup> 16:42, December 10, 2016 (UTC)		::It's found by Laxart (and de Metz) in Sainte-Catherine-de-Fierbois after Joan asks him to retrieve the sword for her. If I'm remembering correctly, the Templar presence was driven out of mainland Europe after de Molay's execution so they retreat to England from where they basically manipulate the Hundred Years' War with a sight on regaining their position in France. So it's not unreasonable that the Temple was hit while the Templars were weak and the Sword was taken. The book doesn't say who stole the Sword from Joan (someone basically goes "yoink!" when she's distracted by her injury) but that the Templars returned it to the Temple. The Codex isn't mentioned though. But Consus works in mysterious I guess? [[User:Vetinari\|<b><span style="color: black">Vetinari</span></b>]]<sup>[[User talk:Vetinari\|(Appointment)]]</sup> 16:42, December 10, 2016 (UTC)

			::Maybe Thomas de Carneillon recovered the Sword after killing de Molay's advisor but didn't found the Codex, it's seem very strange he didn't found the enter of the vault. He maybe hid the artefact in Sainte-Catherine.[[User:Francesco75\|Francesco75]] ([[User talk:Francesco75\|talk]]) 22:14, February 10, 2017 (UTC)

imported>Vetinari: /* Piece of Eden 25? */

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	:That sounds awfully contrived, but okay. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 11:45, December 10, 2016 (UTC)		:That sounds awfully contrived, but okay. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 11:45, December 10, 2016 (UTC)

			::It's found by Laxart (and de Metz) in Sainte-Catherine-de-Fierbois after Joan asks him to retrieve the sword for her. If I'm remembering correctly, the Templar presence was driven out of mainland Europe after de Molay's execution so they retreat to England from where they basically manipulate the Hundred Years' War with a sight on regaining their position in France. So it's not unreasonable that the Temple was hit while the Templars were weak and the Sword was taken. The book doesn't say who stole the Sword from Joan (someone basically goes "yoink!" when she's distracted by her injury) but that the Templars returned it to the Temple. The Codex isn't mentioned though. But Consus works in mysterious I guess? [[User:Vetinari\|<b><span style="color: black">Vetinari</span></b>]]<sup>[[User talk:Vetinari\|(Appointment)]]</sup> 16:42, December 10, 2016 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Piece of Eden 25? */

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Piece of Eden 25?

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	Question: if this Sword is Piece of Eden 25, aka the sword Jeanne d'Arc used in the Hundred Years' War, doesn't that mean Jeanne somehow broke into the Temple, removed the Sword and then, years later, placed it back again? I haven't read ''Heresy'', but this doesn't make a lot of sense to me :s {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 10:07, December 10, 2016 (UTC)		Question: if this Sword is Piece of Eden 25, aka the sword Jeanne d'Arc used in the Hundred Years' War, doesn't that mean Jeanne somehow broke into the Temple, removed the Sword and then, years later, placed it back again? I haven't read ''Heresy'', but this doesn't make a lot of sense to me :s {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 10:07, December 10, 2016 (UTC)

	Simon Hathaway just speculates that it was removed from the Temple for unexplained reasons and buried where it was then found by Jeanne. Then whoever recovered it after she lost it returned it to the Temple. [[~~Special~~:~~Contributions/12.25.9.2~~\|~~12.25.9.2~~]] 11:40, December 10, 2016 (UTC) ~~Lacrossedeamon~~		:Simon Hathaway just speculates that it was removed from the Temple for unexplained reasons and buried where it was then found by Jeanne. Then whoever recovered it after she lost it returned it to the Temple. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:53, December 10, 2016 (UTC)

	:That sounds awfully contrived, but okay. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 11:45, December 10, 2016 (UTC)		:That sounds awfully contrived, but okay. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 11:45, December 10, 2016 (UTC)

imported>Crookandcharlatan: /* Piece of Eden 25? */

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	Question: if this Sword is Piece of Eden 25, aka the sword Jeanne d'Arc used in the Hundred Years' War, doesn't that mean Jeanne somehow broke into the Temple, removed the Sword and then, years later, placed it back again? I haven't read ''Heresy'', but this doesn't make a lot of sense to me :s {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 10:07, December 10, 2016 (UTC)		Question: if this Sword is Piece of Eden 25, aka the sword Jeanne d'Arc used in the Hundred Years' War, doesn't that mean Jeanne somehow broke into the Temple, removed the Sword and then, years later, placed it back again? I haven't read ''Heresy'', but this doesn't make a lot of sense to me :s {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 10:07, December 10, 2016 (UTC)

	Simon Hathaway just speculates that it was removed from the Temple for unexplained reasons and buried where it was then found by Jeanne. Then whoever recovered it after she lost it returned it to the Temple. [[Special:Contributions/12.25.9.2\|12.25.9.2]] 11:40, December 10, 2016 (UTC) Lacrossedeamon		Simon Hathaway just speculates that it was removed from the Temple for unexplained reasons and buried where it was then found by Jeanne. Then whoever recovered it after she lost it returned it to the Temple. [[Special:Contributions/12.25.9.2\|12.25.9.2]] 11:40, December 10, 2016 (UTC) Lacrossedeamon

			:That sounds awfully contrived, but okay. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 11:45, December 10, 2016 (UTC)

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	==Piece of Eden 25?==		==Piece of Eden 25?==
	Question: if this Sword is Piece of Eden 25, aka the sword Jeanne d'Arc used in the Hundred Years' War, doesn't that mean Jeanne somehow broke into the Temple, removed the Sword and then, years later, placed it back again? I haven't read ''Heresy'', but this doesn't make a lot of sense to me :s {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 10:07, December 10, 2016 (UTC)		Question: if this Sword is Piece of Eden 25, aka the sword Jeanne d'Arc used in the Hundred Years' War, doesn't that mean Jeanne somehow broke into the Temple, removed the Sword and then, years later, placed it back again? I haven't read ''Heresy'', but this doesn't make a lot of sense to me :s {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 10:07, December 10, 2016 (UTC)

			Simon Hathaway just speculates that it was removed from the Temple for unexplained reasons and buried where it was then found by Jeanne. Then whoever recovered it after she lost it returned it to the Temple. [[Special:Contributions/12.25.9.2\|12.25.9.2]] 11:40, December 10, 2016 (UTC) Lacrossedeamon

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	::[[Database: Reconstructed Data 003]], Consus specifically said "Swords", it's the same one where he revealed the existance of multiple shrouds. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]), 17:59, November 10, 2015 (UTC)		::[[Database: Reconstructed Data 003]], Consus specifically said "Swords", it's the same one where he revealed the existance of multiple shrouds. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]), 17:59, November 10, 2015 (UTC)

	:::Until now, I assumed that the pictures displayed in AC: Memories had the same status that a screenshot of the main games, that they were a canon depiction of a precise and defined in-universe moment, that they weren't like a concept art, a non-canon artistic interpretation.		:::Until now, I assumed that the pictures displayed in AC: Memories had the same status that a screenshot of the main games, that they were a canon depiction of a precise and defined in-universe moment, that they weren't like a concept art, a non-canon artistic interpretation.

	:::So, with such a discrepancy in design between the two known canon depiction of a sword of Eden, in my opinion it can safely be assumed that the two swords are not the same sword but different weapons. Moreover, Syndicate clearly states that Hephaestus and Consus created more than one sword... [[User:Maxattac\|Maxattac]] ([[User talk:Maxattac\|talk]]) 17:04, November 10, 2015 (UTC)		:::So, with such a discrepancy in design between the two known canon depiction of a sword of Eden, in my opinion it can safely be assumed that the two swords are not the same sword but different weapons. Moreover, Syndicate clearly states that Hephaestus and Consus created more than one sword... [[User:Maxattac\|Maxattac]] ([[User talk:Maxattac\|talk]]) 17:04, November 10, 2015 (UTC)
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	:I should point out that (despite the fact I created the article) [[Shroud of Eden 1]] and [[Shroud of Eden 2]] are never called as such, in fact the closest we get to an official name for either of those two is Shroud 1 being called a "prototype". --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 14:25, November 11, 2015 (UTC)		:I should point out that (despite the fact I created the article) [[Shroud of Eden 1]] and [[Shroud of Eden 2]] are never called as such, in fact the closest we get to an official name for either of those two is Shroud 1 being called a "prototype". --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 14:25, November 11, 2015 (UTC)

			==Piece of Eden 25?==
			Question: if this Sword is Piece of Eden 25, aka the sword Jeanne d'Arc used in the Hundred Years' War, doesn't that mean Jeanne somehow broke into the Temple, removed the Sword and then, years later, placed it back again? I haven't read ''Heresy'', but this doesn't make a lot of sense to me :s {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 10:07, December 10, 2016 (UTC)