Talk:Shay Cormac - Revision history

Soranin: /* Neutrality */

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	*refused to improve your conduct and insulted another user's intelligence, for which you were blocked for a month;		*refused to improve your conduct and insulted another user's intelligence, for which you were blocked for a month;
	*accused mod Cristophorus35 who blocked you of being passive-aggressive immediately after the block ended, for which ''I myself'' called you out on;		*accused mod Cristophorus35 who blocked you of being passive-aggressive immediately after the block ended, for which ''I myself'' called you out on;
	*resorted to ''ad hominem'' right now, insulting Vilka's reading comprehension and attacking his character by charging that "VilkaTheWolf" was banned for misconduct when you cannot prove it was not [[w:c:community:Help:Closing an account\|user choice]], all while no one has mischaracterized you in this talk; and		*resorted to ''ad hominem'' right now, insulting Vilka's reading comprehension and attacking his character by charging that "VilkaTheWolf" was banned for misconduct when you cannot prove it was not [w:c:community:Help:Closing an account\|user choice], all while no one has mischaracterized you in this talk; and
	*insulted the community at large saying "given how idiotic AC fans often are; they'd buy any old shit" and then denigrating our collective efforts here, when we are stretched thin for volunteers to actually leave Discussions and help fix/update countless pages.		*insulted the community at large saying "given how idiotic AC fans often are; they'd buy any old shit" and then denigrating our collective efforts here, when we are stretched thin for volunteers to actually leave Discussions and help fix/update countless pages.
	Time and again, you have abused Staff's leniency and fail to better your conduct with others. Honestly, at this point, I'd say you warrant another ban. But that's their call to make, and both Soranin and Lacrosse have already said their peace. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 01:05, 12 July 2025 (UTC)		Time and again, you have abused Staff's leniency and fail to better your conduct with others. Honestly, at this point, I'd say you warrant another ban. But that's their call to make, and both Soranin and Lacrosse have already said their peace. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 01:05, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

imported>Kirkburn: Answering an open question.

2025-07-17T18:34:53Z

Answering an open question.

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	::Yes, I admittedly do have a terrible history here but I simply came here to comment on the article, not to rehash crap from last year. I've been doing my best to be as civil as possible here. Ironically, Vilka's comment did the most to stoke the flames here since the conversation was calm enough before he barged in with these accusations. If what WKR says about his old account is true (I have no idea if it is), he has absolutely no place accusing anyone of being trolls. I'd imagine you'd have to do something extremely inappropriate to be banned from the entire site. [[User:Edwardkenwayfan31\|Edwardkenwayfan31]] ([[User talk:Edwardkenwayfan31\|talk]]) 03:41, 12 July 2025 (UTC)		::Yes, I admittedly do have a terrible history here but I simply came here to comment on the article, not to rehash crap from last year. I've been doing my best to be as civil as possible here. Ironically, Vilka's comment did the most to stoke the flames here since the conversation was calm enough before he barged in with these accusations. If what WKR says about his old account is true (I have no idea if it is), he has absolutely no place accusing anyone of being trolls. I'd imagine you'd have to do something extremely inappropriate to be banned from the entire site. [[User:Edwardkenwayfan31\|Edwardkenwayfan31]] ([[User talk:Edwardkenwayfan31\|talk]]) 03:41, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

			:::(Fandom Staff note: yes Vilka had a global block on a past account. We discussed it with them a long time ago and their current account is fine. And kindly to all: this is supposed to be about ''Shay'', not personal issues.) -- [[User:Kirkburn\|Kirkburn]] ([[User talk:Kirkburn\|talk]]) <staff/> 18:34, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

	I am in favor of editing the article to make it better, but I fail to see how any proposed changes actually improve the article in any considerable way. The section on Shay's personality accurately describes him. We can bicker all day about semantics, but it's unnecessary at this point. Shay was remorseful about the deaths of innocents, and couldn't handle the blame for that. It made him vulnerable to the Templar ideology. Maybe his reaction was stupid, or maybe it was a completely human reaction. Who would want to take the blame for thousands of deaths? But that's not our place to say. Our goal is and ought to be a clear description of how Shay reacted to events, and the current page does that.		I am in favor of editing the article to make it better, but I fail to see how any proposed changes actually improve the article in any considerable way. The section on Shay's personality accurately describes him. We can bicker all day about semantics, but it's unnecessary at this point. Shay was remorseful about the deaths of innocents, and couldn't handle the blame for that. It made him vulnerable to the Templar ideology. Maybe his reaction was stupid, or maybe it was a completely human reaction. Who would want to take the blame for thousands of deaths? But that's not our place to say. Our goal is and ought to be a clear description of how Shay reacted to events, and the current page does that.

imported>Soranin: Protected "Talk:Shay Cormac": I feel like this debate once again is going to spiral out of control, so I'm locking this to let things simmer down and allow people to de-stress in the meanwhile ([Edit=Allow only administrators] (indefinite) [Move=Allow only administrators] (indefinite))

2025-07-12T15:40:16Z

Protected "Talk:Shay Cormac": I feel like this debate once again is going to spiral out of control, so I'm locking this to let things simmer down and allow people to de-stress in the meanwhile ([Edit=Allow only administrators] (indefinite) [Move=Allow only administrators] (indefinite))

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2025-07-12T15:29:43Z

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	I've emailed fandom anyways, if they respond monday/tuesday to double confirm this I do hope you'll rescind these accusations. I don't believe I did anything trollish here. [[User:.WKR\|.WKR]] ([[User talk:.WKR\|talk]]) 05:37, 12 July 2025 (UTC)		I've emailed fandom anyways, if they respond monday/tuesday to double confirm this I do hope you'll rescind these accusations. I don't believe I did anything trollish here. [[User:.WKR\|.WKR]] ([[User talk:.WKR\|talk]]) 05:37, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

	: WKR, I admit you have me at a loss. See, I believe - as I have stated - that you are a malicious troll, and what I felt the best recourse was, asking for a democratic voicing by the community to see if they agreed. You claim that this is harassment, abuse, and intimidation. But by then saying you have emailed Fandom directly with the hopes that I will rescind my accusation thus a form of intimidation against me? Even if Fandom agrees that my call is inappropriate, that certainly negates the vote, but how would that actually make me rescind the accusation of you being a malicious actor? The fact that you asked me to lift the accusation of arguing in bad faith instead of only stating that the vote itself was inappropriate and by attempting to use a nebulous and debatable interpretation of the rules by a single member of the staff seems exactly like the type of thing a troll would do. See on the subreddit, after we ban a troll for being a troll, about fifty percent of the time, they mail us directly to call us a number of slurs and say that we're actually the bad guys. I find it intensely interesting that you're exhibiting the same pattern of behavior. If I did something incorrect, I look forward to a stern message from Fandom. Have a good day.		: WKR, I admit you have me at a loss. See, I believe - as I have stated - that you are a malicious troll, and what I felt the best recourse was, asking for a democratic voicing by the community to see if they agreed. You claim that this is harassment, abuse, and intimidation. But by then saying you have emailed Fandom directly with the hopes that I will rescind my accusation thus a form of intimidation against me? Even if Fandom agrees that my call is inappropriate, that certainly negates the vote, but how would that actually make me rescind the accusation of you being a malicious actor? The fact that you asked me to lift the accusation of arguing in bad faith instead of only stating that the vote itself was inappropriate and by attempting to use a nebulous and debatable interpretation of the rules by a single member of the staff seems exactly like the type of thing a troll would do. See on the subreddit, after we ban a troll for being a troll, about fifty percent of the time, they mail us directly to call us a number of slurs and say that we're actually the bad guys. I find it intensely interesting that you're exhibiting the same pattern of behavior. If I did something incorrect, I look forward to a stern message from Fandom. Have a good day. [[User:Nstav13\|Nstav13]] ([[User talk:Nstav13\|talk]]) 15:29, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

imported>Nstav13: /* Neutrality */

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	I've emailed fandom anyways, if they respond monday/tuesday to double confirm this I do hope you'll rescind these accusations. I don't believe I did anything trollish here. [[User:.WKR\|.WKR]] ([[User talk:.WKR\|talk]]) 05:37, 12 July 2025 (UTC)		I've emailed fandom anyways, if they respond monday/tuesday to double confirm this I do hope you'll rescind these accusations. I don't believe I did anything trollish here. [[User:.WKR\|.WKR]] ([[User talk:.WKR\|talk]]) 05:37, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

			: WKR, I admit you have me at a loss. See, I believe - as I have stated - that you are a malicious troll, and what I felt the best recourse was, asking for a democratic voicing by the community to see if they agreed. You claim that this is harassment, abuse, and intimidation. But by then saying you have emailed Fandom directly with the hopes that I will rescind my accusation thus a form of intimidation against me? Even if Fandom agrees that my call is inappropriate, that certainly negates the vote, but how would that actually make me rescind the accusation of you being a malicious actor? The fact that you asked me to lift the accusation of arguing in bad faith instead of only stating that the vote itself was inappropriate and by attempting to use a nebulous and debatable interpretation of the rules by a single member of the staff seems exactly like the type of thing a troll would do. See on the subreddit, after we ban a troll for being a troll, about fifty percent of the time, they mail us directly to call us a number of slurs and say that we're actually the bad guys. I find it intensely interesting that you're exhibiting the same pattern of behavior. If I did something incorrect, I look forward to a stern message from Fandom. Have a good day.

imported>.WKR: /* Permanently ban .WKR & Edwardkenwayfan31 */

2025-07-12T05:39:57Z

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	Hey Nstav, the first forum link clearly hasn't been used for years (most being from 2012 when Fandom probably allowed anything to fly). The few from 2023 probably just slipped under Fandom's radar. The second seems to only be a proposal, not something that was implemented or approved by Fandom.		Hey Nstav, the first forum link clearly hasn't been used for years (most being from 2012 when Fandom probably allowed anything to fly). The few from 2023 probably just slipped under Fandom's radar. The second seems to only be a proposal, not something that was implemented or approved by Fandom.

	Second, a bureaucrat on a wiki I lurked years before joining fandom was demoted by a former fandom staffer with this as one of the reasons. Unless Fandom policies have changed the past few years (and it likely hasn't since the block policy is still there), this still applies. https://jurassicpark.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000046959 "'''Posts asking the community whether or not a specific member should be banned''' are a form of harassment and intimidation. Either a member has violated a wiki’s policy/rules and can be banned for it, or they have not and they cannot be banned, per Fandom’s Wiki Rules and Blocking Policy. If you believe a member is acting inappropriately, please reach out to an admin directly to discuss it. If problems continue, you can escalate the issue to me." So kindly stop accusing me of manipulation. Thanks.		Second, a bureaucrat on a wiki I lurked years before joining fandom was demoted by a former fandom staffer with this as one of the reasons. Unless Fandom policies have changed the past few years (and it likely hasn't since the block policy is still there), this still applies. https://jurassicpark.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000046959 "'''Posts asking the community whether or not a specific member should be banned''' are a form of harassment and intimidation. Either a member has violated a wiki’s policy/rules and can be banned for it, or they have not and they cannot be banned, per Fandom’s Wiki Rules and Blocking Policy. If you believe a member is acting inappropriately, please reach out to an admin directly to discuss it. If problems continue, you can escalate the issue to me." It also does state it can result in a global ban aka a ban from all fandom wikis. So kindly stop accusing me of manipulation. Thanks.

	I've emailed fandom anyways, if they respond monday/tuesday to double confirm this I do hope you'll rescind these accusations. I don't believe I did anything trollish here. [[User:.WKR\|.WKR]] ([[User talk:.WKR\|talk]]) 05:37, 12 July 2025 (UTC)		I've emailed fandom anyways, if they respond monday/tuesday to double confirm this I do hope you'll rescind these accusations. I don't believe I did anything trollish here. [[User:.WKR\|.WKR]] ([[User talk:.WKR\|talk]]) 05:37, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

imported>.WKR: /* Neutrality */

2025-07-12T05:37:30Z

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	: As a result, I don't agree with your assessment. I think the only leg you have is that this is "Abuse, Harassment, threats, or intimidation". But I am doing none of that. I am not threatening any physical harm (and would never), have said nothing abusive towards you, and am not attempting to make you change via intimidation. We can also pull up California's Penal Code (since Fandom is based in California), to show that I have done nothing wrong. Rather, I just see you as a troll, and the only way to deal with trolls, imo is by banning them. And I think your point in saying it's against TOS when it is not explicitly spelled out only further shows that you are manipulating others and are actively being malicious in your attempt to do so. Best wishes. [[User:Nstav13\|Nstav13]] ([[User talk:Nstav13\|talk]]) 05:04, 12 July 2025 (UTC)		: As a result, I don't agree with your assessment. I think the only leg you have is that this is "Abuse, Harassment, threats, or intimidation". But I am doing none of that. I am not threatening any physical harm (and would never), have said nothing abusive towards you, and am not attempting to make you change via intimidation. We can also pull up California's Penal Code (since Fandom is based in California), to show that I have done nothing wrong. Rather, I just see you as a troll, and the only way to deal with trolls, imo is by banning them. And I think your point in saying it's against TOS when it is not explicitly spelled out only further shows that you are manipulating others and are actively being malicious in your attempt to do so. Best wishes. [[User:Nstav13\|Nstav13]] ([[User talk:Nstav13\|talk]]) 05:04, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

			Hey Nstav, the first forum link clearly hasn't been used for years (most being from 2012 when Fandom probably allowed anything to fly). The few from 2023 probably just slipped under Fandom's radar. The second seems to only be a proposal, not something that was implemented or approved by Fandom.

			Second, a bureaucrat on a wiki I lurked years before joining fandom was demoted by a former fandom staffer with this as one of the reasons. Unless Fandom policies have changed the past few years (and it likely hasn't since the block policy is still there), this still applies. https://jurassicpark.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000046959 "'''Posts asking the community whether or not a specific member should be banned''' are a form of harassment and intimidation. Either a member has violated a wiki’s policy/rules and can be banned for it, or they have not and they cannot be banned, per Fandom’s Wiki Rules and Blocking Policy. If you believe a member is acting inappropriately, please reach out to an admin directly to discuss it. If problems continue, you can escalate the issue to me." So kindly stop accusing me of manipulation. Thanks.

			I've emailed fandom anyways, if they respond monday/tuesday to double confirm this I do hope you'll rescind these accusations. I don't believe I did anything trollish here. [[User:.WKR\|.WKR]] ([[User talk:.WKR\|talk]]) 05:37, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

imported>Nstav13: /* Permanently ban .WKR & Edwardkenwayfan31 */

2025-07-12T05:04:22Z

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	#[[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 04:33, 12 July 2025 (UTC)		#[[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 04:33, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
	Community posts/votes about banning a user are against Fandom guidelines and can get yourself blocked from Fandom. [[User:.WKR\|.WKR]] ([[User talk:.WKR\|talk]]) 04:24, 12 July 2025 (UTC)		Community posts/votes about banning a user are against Fandom guidelines and can get yourself blocked from Fandom. [[User:.WKR\|.WKR]] ([[User talk:.WKR\|talk]]) 04:24, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

			: WKR, thank you for bringing this to my attention. Your response has prompted me to look further into this, and I have found no mentions of user votes on bans as being against the TOS as found here: https://www.fandom.com/terms-of-use. There is the community creation TOS as well (https://www.fandom.com/community-creation-policy), but the only references to bans is about ban evasion or harassment, neither of which are applicable here. If you have a precise source, it would be appreciated.

			: Furthermore, my digging has revealed multiple other communities allowing and discussing such topics, linked below. Now, I understand that this wiki may not have as comprehensive of a user policy itself, or be as large, but I think that only furthers the point that if larger wikis are doing this practice, it is perfectly fine for me to have initiated it here.
			:: https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Users_to_Be_Banned
			:: https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Community_voting_on_user_bans

			: As a result, I don't agree with your assessment. I think the only leg you have is that this is "Abuse, Harassment, threats, or intimidation". But I am doing none of that. I am not threatening any physical harm (and would never), have said nothing abusive towards you, and am not attempting to make you change via intimidation. We can also pull up California's Penal Code (since Fandom is based in California), to show that I have done nothing wrong. Rather, I just see you as a troll, and the only way to deal with trolls, imo is by banning them. And I think your point in saying it's against TOS when it is not explicitly spelled out only further shows that you are manipulating others and are actively being malicious in your attempt to do so. Best wishes. [[User:Nstav13\|Nstav13]] ([[User talk:Nstav13\|talk]]) 05:04, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

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imported>.WKR: /* Permanently ban .WKR & Edwardkenwayfan31 */

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