Talk:Shao Jun (non-canon) - Revision history

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	Is there actually enough new content that differs from the canon stuff to require a full article rather than just annotating it in Behind the scenes? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 20:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)		Is there actually enough new content that differs from the canon stuff to require a full article rather than just annotating it in Behind the scenes? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 20:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
	:Yeah I am so happy to see The Wikia Editor back, but I think there should've been a discussion before making a separate article for the same character on the basis of non-canonical events about them. This is very unprecedented. I propose that this page be deleted. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:18, 19 May 2024 (UTC)		:Yeah I am so happy to see The Wikia Editor back, but I think there should've been a discussion before making a separate article for the same character on the basis of non-canonical events about them. This is very unprecedented. I propose that this page be deleted. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:18, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

imported>Darman36: Darman36 moved page Talk:Shao Jun (The Ming Storm) to Talk:Shao Jun (non-canon) without leaving a redirect: Per talk page

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	Is there actually enough new content that differs from the canon stuff to require a full article rather than just annotating it in Behind the scenes? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 20:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)		Is there actually enough new content that differs from the canon stuff to require a full article rather than just annotating it in Behind the scenes? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 20:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
	:Yeah I am so happy to see The Wikia Editor back, but I think there should've been a discussion before making a separate article for the same character on the basis of non-canonical events about them. This is very unprecedented. I propose that this page be deleted. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:18, 19 May 2024 (UTC)		:Yeah I am so happy to see The Wikia Editor back, but I think there should've been a discussion before making a separate article for the same character on the basis of non-canonical events about them. This is very unprecedented. I propose that this page be deleted. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:18, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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	::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	:::::::In my personal opinion, the "vagueness" regarding the canonicity is being overstated. The use of "not set in the continuity of the main storyline" to me, having come from comics, is unambiguous. If it's not in the main continuity, it is not canon to that, pure and simple. If we were talking about DC Comics, this would be an elseworlds imprint, to borrow their terminology. I would much rather have this page stay up than put this info in the main article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 14:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)		:::::::In my personal opinion, the "vagueness" regarding the canonicity is being overstated. The use of "not set in the continuity of the main storyline" to me, having come from comics, is unambiguous. If it's not in the main continuity, it is not canon to that, pure and simple. If we were talking about DC Comics, this would be an elseworlds imprint, to borrow their terminology. I would much rather have this page stay up than put this info in the main article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 14:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
			Okay I think there are more decisive opinions in support of this page remaining as a separate article. I would like to echo Sora's above suggestion to move this to "Shao Jun (non-canon)" though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 09:38, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

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	:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	::::::In my personal opinion, the "vagueness" regarding the canonicity is being overstated. The use of "not set in the continuity of the main storyline" to me, having come from comics, is unambiguous. If it's not in the main continuity, it is not canon to that, pure and simple. If we were talking about DC Comics, this would be an elseworlds imprint, to borrow their terminology. I would much rather have this page stay up than put this info in the main article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 14:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)		:::::::In my personal opinion, the "vagueness" regarding the canonicity is being overstated. The use of "not set in the continuity of the main storyline" to me, having come from comics, is unambiguous. If it's not in the main continuity, it is not canon to that, pure and simple. If we were talking about DC Comics, this would be an elseworlds imprint, to borrow their terminology. I would much rather have this page stay up than put this info in the main article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 14:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

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	:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
			::::::In my personal opinion, the "vagueness" regarding the canonicity is being overstated. The use of "not set in the continuity of the main storyline" to me, having come from comics, is unambiguous. If it's not in the main continuity, it is not canon to that, pure and simple. If we were talking about DC Comics, this would be an elseworlds imprint, to borrow their terminology. I would much rather have this page stay up than put this info in the main article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 14:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

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	So if Aymar established early on via Aconyte that the whole series is original work as opposed to just some of it, while we forgot the reference in the time since then, is that enough grounds to have a non-canon character page? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 00:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		So if Aymar established early on via Aconyte that the whole series is original work as opposed to just some of it, while we forgot the reference in the time since then, is that enough grounds to have a non-canon character page? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 00:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	:::Even saying that "original work using existing characters" just sounds like its expanding Shao Jun's story and nothing about that makes it sound non-canon. ''Visionaries'' i totally get being non-canon for sure, but I've always on the fence about ''The Ming Storm''. Even if it does contradict some things in ''Chronicles: China'' surely we can state the differences in "Behind the scenes" then add all of ''Desert Threat'' to her page...after all we control the canon not Ubisoft lmao.[[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 08:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		:::Even saying that "original work using existing characters" just sounds like its expanding Shao Jun's story and nothing about that makes it sound non-canon. ''Visionaries'' i totally get being non-canon for sure, but I've always on the fence about ''The Ming Storm''. Even if it does contradict some things in ''Chronicles: China'' surely we can state the differences in "Behind the scenes" then add all of ''Desert Threat'' to her page...after all we control the canon not Ubisoft lmao.[[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 08:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	:::: If we would, hypothetically speaking of course, put the Desert Threat portion inside the official canon page (and put the differences between canon in behind the scenes) we should make perhaps a clear distinction between the canon and non-canon parts or else we would confuse the readers. This will also bring up other questions like what do we do with the ''desmond-non canon'' page? do we assimilate him and the other non-canon pages into the existing ones as well? If so I would prefer it to be a seperate section beneath the existing canon to avoid confussion. [[User talk:FalconBrowser\|FalconBrowser]] [[FalconBrowser]] 19:05, 21 May (UTC)		:::: If we would, hypothetically speaking of course, put the Desert Threat portion inside the official canon page (and put the differences between canon in behind the scenes) we should make perhaps a clear distinction between the canon and non-canon parts or else we would confuse the readers. This will also bring up other questions like what do we do with the ''desmond-non canon'' page? do we assimilate him and the other non-canon pages into the existing ones as well? If so I would prefer it to be a seperate section beneath the existing canon to avoid confussion. [[User talk:FalconBrowser\|FalconBrowser]] [[User:FalconBrowser\|FalconBrowser]] 19:05, 21 May (UTC)
	:::::We have a way of highlighting that a certain section of the body describes ambiguously canonical events. As for the non-canon iterations of the original ''Assassin's Creed'' characters, we do not have to merge them back into their respective canon pages. If we were to do so though, they would just be covered in the BTS section. I don't think Aymar's two answers are too ambiguous about ''The Ming Storm'' being non-canon although the fact he feels the need to avoid saying it directly makes him sound non-committal. My concern now is a consistent policy between ''The Ming Storm'' + ''The Desert Threat'' and ''Identity'' chapters 1+2. If we continue to treat ''Identity'' chapter 1 as ambiguously canon despite chapter 2 being obviously non-canon, then I would like to treat ''The Desert Threat'' ambiguously canon as well. Personally, despite Aymar's answer, I would be fine also treating ''The Ming Storm'' ambiguously canon if it were to help streamline things on our end. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 09:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)		:::::We have a way of highlighting that a certain section of the body describes ambiguously canonical events. As for the non-canon iterations of the original ''Assassin's Creed'' characters, we do not have to merge them back into their respective canon pages. If we were to do so though, they would just be covered in the BTS section. I don't think Aymar's two answers are too ambiguous about ''The Ming Storm'' being non-canon although the fact he feels the need to avoid saying it directly makes him sound non-committal. My concern now is a consistent policy between ''The Ming Storm'' + ''The Desert Threat'' and ''Identity'' chapters 1+2. If we continue to treat ''Identity'' chapter 1 as ambiguously canon despite chapter 2 being obviously non-canon, then I would like to treat ''The Desert Threat'' ambiguously canon as well. Personally, despite Aymar's answer, I would be fine also treating ''The Ming Storm'' ambiguously canon if it were to help streamline things on our end. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 09:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

	:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

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	:::: If we would, hypothetically speaking of course, put the Desert Threat portion inside the official canon page (and put the differences between canon in behind the scenes) we should make perhaps a clear distinction between the canon and non-canon parts or else we would confuse the readers. This will also bring up other questions like what do we do with the ''desmond-non canon'' page? do we assimilate him and the other non-canon pages into the existing ones as well? If so I would prefer it to be a seperate section beneath the existing canon to avoid confussion. [[User talk:FalconBrowser\|FalconBrowser]] [[FalconBrowser]] 19:05, 21 May (UTC)		:::: If we would, hypothetically speaking of course, put the Desert Threat portion inside the official canon page (and put the differences between canon in behind the scenes) we should make perhaps a clear distinction between the canon and non-canon parts or else we would confuse the readers. This will also bring up other questions like what do we do with the ''desmond-non canon'' page? do we assimilate him and the other non-canon pages into the existing ones as well? If so I would prefer it to be a seperate section beneath the existing canon to avoid confussion. [[User talk:FalconBrowser\|FalconBrowser]] [[FalconBrowser]] 19:05, 21 May (UTC)
	:::::We have a way of highlighting that a certain section of the body describes ambiguously canonical events. As for the non-canon iterations of the original ''Assassin's Creed'' characters, we do not have to merge them back into their respective canon pages. If we were to do so though, they would just be covered in the BTS section. I don't think Aymar's two answers are too ambiguous about ''The Ming Storm'' being non-canon although the fact he feels the need to avoid saying it directly makes him sound non-committal. My concern now is a consistent policy between ''The Ming Storm'' + ''The Desert Threat'' and ''Identity'' chapters 1+2. If we continue to treat ''Identity'' chapter 1 as ambiguously canon despite chapter 2 being obviously non-canon, then I would like to treat ''The Desert Threat'' ambiguously canon as well. Personally, despite Aymar's answer, I would be fine also treating ''The Ming Storm'' ambiguously canon if it were to help streamline things on our end. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 09:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)		:::::We have a way of highlighting that a certain section of the body describes ambiguously canonical events. As for the non-canon iterations of the original ''Assassin's Creed'' characters, we do not have to merge them back into their respective canon pages. If we were to do so though, they would just be covered in the BTS section. I don't think Aymar's two answers are too ambiguous about ''The Ming Storm'' being non-canon although the fact he feels the need to avoid saying it directly makes him sound non-committal. My concern now is a consistent policy between ''The Ming Storm'' + ''The Desert Threat'' and ''Identity'' chapters 1+2. If we continue to treat ''Identity'' chapter 1 as ambiguously canon despite chapter 2 being obviously non-canon, then I would like to treat ''The Desert Threat'' ambiguously canon as well. Personally, despite Aymar's answer, I would be fine also treating ''The Ming Storm'' ambiguously canon if it were to help streamline things on our end. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 09:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

	:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

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	:::Even saying that "original work using existing characters" just sounds like its expanding Shao Jun's story and nothing about that makes it sound non-canon. ''Visionaries'' i totally get being non-canon for sure, but I've always on the fence about ''The Ming Storm''. Even if it does contradict some things in ''Chronicles: China'' surely we can state the differences in "Behind the scenes" then add all of ''Desert Threat'' to her page...after all we control the canon not Ubisoft lmao.[[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 08:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		:::Even saying that "original work using existing characters" just sounds like its expanding Shao Jun's story and nothing about that makes it sound non-canon. ''Visionaries'' i totally get being non-canon for sure, but I've always on the fence about ''The Ming Storm''. Even if it does contradict some things in ''Chronicles: China'' surely we can state the differences in "Behind the scenes" then add all of ''Desert Threat'' to her page...after all we control the canon not Ubisoft lmao.[[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 08:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	:::: If we would, hypothetically speaking of course, put the Desert Threat portion inside the official canon page (and put the differences between canon in behind the scenes) we should make perhaps a clear distinction between the canon and non-canon parts or else we would confuse the readers. This will also bring up other questions like what do we do with the ''desmond-non canon'' page? do we assimilate him and the other non-canon pages into the existing ones as well? If so I would prefer it to be a seperate section beneath the existing canon to avoid confussion. [[User talk:FalconBrowser\|FalconBrowser]] [[FalconBrowser]] 19:05, 21 May (UTC)		:::: If we would, hypothetically speaking of course, put the Desert Threat portion inside the official canon page (and put the differences between canon in behind the scenes) we should make perhaps a clear distinction between the canon and non-canon parts or else we would confuse the readers. This will also bring up other questions like what do we do with the ''desmond-non canon'' page? do we assimilate him and the other non-canon pages into the existing ones as well? If so I would prefer it to be a seperate section beneath the existing canon to avoid confussion. [[User talk:FalconBrowser\|FalconBrowser]] [[FalconBrowser]] 19:05, 21 May (UTC)
			:::::We have a way of highlighting that a certain section of the body describes ambiguously canonical events. As for the non-canon iterations of the original ''Assassin's Creed'' characters, we do not have to merge them back into their respective canon pages. If we were to do so though, they would just be covered in the BTS section. I don't think Aymar's two answers are too ambiguous about ''The Ming Storm'' being non-canon although the fact he feels the need to avoid saying it directly makes him sound non-committal. My concern now is a consistent policy between ''The Ming Storm'' + ''The Desert Threat'' and ''Identity'' chapters 1+2. If we continue to treat ''Identity'' chapter 1 as ambiguously canon despite chapter 2 being obviously non-canon, then I would like to treat ''The Desert Threat'' ambiguously canon as well. Personally, despite Aymar's answer, I would be fine also treating ''The Ming Storm'' ambiguously canon if it were to help streamline things on our end. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 09:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
	:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

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	:::: If we would, hypothetically speaking of course, put the Desert Threat portion inside the official canon page (and put the differences between canon in behind the scenes) we should make perhaps a clear distinction between the canon and non-canon parts or else we would confuse the readers. This will also bring up other questions like what do we do with the ''desmond-non canon'' page? do we assimilate him and the other non-canon pages into the existing ones as well? If so I would prefer it to be a seperate section beneath the existing canon to avoid confussion. [[User talk:FalconBrowser\|FalconBrowser]] [[FalconBrowser]] 19:05, 21 May (UTC)		:::: If we would, hypothetically speaking of course, put the Desert Threat portion inside the official canon page (and put the differences between canon in behind the scenes) we should make perhaps a clear distinction between the canon and non-canon parts or else we would confuse the readers. This will also bring up other questions like what do we do with the ''desmond-non canon'' page? do we assimilate him and the other non-canon pages into the existing ones as well? If so I would prefer it to be a seperate section beneath the existing canon to avoid confussion. [[User talk:FalconBrowser\|FalconBrowser]] [[FalconBrowser]] 19:05, 21 May (UTC)
	:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The Ming ~~Storms~~ non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the Ming ~~storm~~ just basically adapts ~~chronicles china~~, the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add Desert Threat info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

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	:::: If we would, hypothetically speaking of course, put the Desert Threat portion inside the official canon page (and put the differences between canon in behind the scenes) we should make perhaps a clear distinction between the canon and non-canon parts or else we would confuse the readers. This will also bring up other questions like what do we do with the ''desmond-non canon'' page? do we assimilate him and the other non-canon pages into the existing ones as well? If so I would prefer it to be a seperate section beneath the existing canon to avoid confussion. [[User talk:FalconBrowser\|FalconBrowser]] [[FalconBrowser]] 19:05, 21 May (UTC)		:::: If we would, hypothetically speaking of course, put the Desert Threat portion inside the official canon page (and put the differences between canon in behind the scenes) we should make perhaps a clear distinction between the canon and non-canon parts or else we would confuse the readers. This will also bring up other questions like what do we do with the ''desmond-non canon'' page? do we assimilate him and the other non-canon pages into the existing ones as well? If so I would prefer it to be a seperate section beneath the existing canon to avoid confussion. [[User talk:FalconBrowser\|FalconBrowser]] [[FalconBrowser]] 19:05, 21 May (UTC)
	:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
			::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The Ming Storms non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the Ming storm just basically adapts chronicles china, the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add Desert Threat info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

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	:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	::::::In my personal opinion, the "vagueness" regarding the canonicity is being overstated. The use of "not set in the continuity of the main storyline" to me, having come from comics, is unambiguous. If it's not in the main continuity, it is not canon to that, pure and simple. If we were talking about DC Comics, this would be an elseworlds imprint, to borrow their terminology. I would much rather have this page stay up than put this info in the main article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 14:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)		:::::::In my personal opinion, the "vagueness" regarding the canonicity is being overstated. The use of "not set in the continuity of the main storyline" to me, having come from comics, is unambiguous. If it's not in the main continuity, it is not canon to that, pure and simple. If we were talking about DC Comics, this would be an elseworlds imprint, to borrow their terminology. I would much rather have this page stay up than put this info in the main article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 14:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

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	:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
			::::::In my personal opinion, the "vagueness" regarding the canonicity is being overstated. The use of "not set in the continuity of the main storyline" to me, having come from comics, is unambiguous. If it's not in the main continuity, it is not canon to that, pure and simple. If we were talking about DC Comics, this would be an elseworlds imprint, to borrow their terminology. I would much rather have this page stay up than put this info in the main article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 14:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

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	So if Aymar established early on via Aconyte that the whole series is original work as opposed to just some of it, while we forgot the reference in the time since then, is that enough grounds to have a non-canon character page? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 00:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		So if Aymar established early on via Aconyte that the whole series is original work as opposed to just some of it, while we forgot the reference in the time since then, is that enough grounds to have a non-canon character page? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 00:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	:::Even saying that "original work using existing characters" just sounds like its expanding Shao Jun's story and nothing about that makes it sound non-canon. ''Visionaries'' i totally get being non-canon for sure, but I've always on the fence about ''The Ming Storm''. Even if it does contradict some things in ''Chronicles: China'' surely we can state the differences in "Behind the scenes" then add all of ''Desert Threat'' to her page...after all we control the canon not Ubisoft lmao.[[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 08:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		:::Even saying that "original work using existing characters" just sounds like its expanding Shao Jun's story and nothing about that makes it sound non-canon. ''Visionaries'' i totally get being non-canon for sure, but I've always on the fence about ''The Ming Storm''. Even if it does contradict some things in ''Chronicles: China'' surely we can state the differences in "Behind the scenes" then add all of ''Desert Threat'' to her page...after all we control the canon not Ubisoft lmao.[[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 08:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	:::: If we would, hypothetically speaking of course, put the Desert Threat portion inside the official canon page (and put the differences between canon in behind the scenes) we should make perhaps a clear distinction between the canon and non-canon parts or else we would confuse the readers. This will also bring up other questions like what do we do with the ''desmond-non canon'' page? do we assimilate him and the other non-canon pages into the existing ones as well? If so I would prefer it to be a seperate section beneath the existing canon to avoid confussion. [[User talk:FalconBrowser\|FalconBrowser]] [[FalconBrowser]] 19:05, 21 May (UTC)		:::: If we would, hypothetically speaking of course, put the Desert Threat portion inside the official canon page (and put the differences between canon in behind the scenes) we should make perhaps a clear distinction between the canon and non-canon parts or else we would confuse the readers. This will also bring up other questions like what do we do with the ''desmond-non canon'' page? do we assimilate him and the other non-canon pages into the existing ones as well? If so I would prefer it to be a seperate section beneath the existing canon to avoid confussion. [[User talk:FalconBrowser\|FalconBrowser]] [[User:FalconBrowser\|FalconBrowser]] 19:05, 21 May (UTC)
	:::::We have a way of highlighting that a certain section of the body describes ambiguously canonical events. As for the non-canon iterations of the original ''Assassin's Creed'' characters, we do not have to merge them back into their respective canon pages. If we were to do so though, they would just be covered in the BTS section. I don't think Aymar's two answers are too ambiguous about ''The Ming Storm'' being non-canon although the fact he feels the need to avoid saying it directly makes him sound non-committal. My concern now is a consistent policy between ''The Ming Storm'' + ''The Desert Threat'' and ''Identity'' chapters 1+2. If we continue to treat ''Identity'' chapter 1 as ambiguously canon despite chapter 2 being obviously non-canon, then I would like to treat ''The Desert Threat'' ambiguously canon as well. Personally, despite Aymar's answer, I would be fine also treating ''The Ming Storm'' ambiguously canon if it were to help streamline things on our end. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 09:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)		:::::We have a way of highlighting that a certain section of the body describes ambiguously canonical events. As for the non-canon iterations of the original ''Assassin's Creed'' characters, we do not have to merge them back into their respective canon pages. If we were to do so though, they would just be covered in the BTS section. I don't think Aymar's two answers are too ambiguous about ''The Ming Storm'' being non-canon although the fact he feels the need to avoid saying it directly makes him sound non-committal. My concern now is a consistent policy between ''The Ming Storm'' + ''The Desert Threat'' and ''Identity'' chapters 1+2. If we continue to treat ''Identity'' chapter 1 as ambiguously canon despite chapter 2 being obviously non-canon, then I would like to treat ''The Desert Threat'' ambiguously canon as well. Personally, despite Aymar's answer, I would be fine also treating ''The Ming Storm'' ambiguously canon if it were to help streamline things on our end. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 09:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

	:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

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	:::: If we would, hypothetically speaking of course, put the Desert Threat portion inside the official canon page (and put the differences between canon in behind the scenes) we should make perhaps a clear distinction between the canon and non-canon parts or else we would confuse the readers. This will also bring up other questions like what do we do with the ''desmond-non canon'' page? do we assimilate him and the other non-canon pages into the existing ones as well? If so I would prefer it to be a seperate section beneath the existing canon to avoid confussion. [[User talk:FalconBrowser\|FalconBrowser]] [[FalconBrowser]] 19:05, 21 May (UTC)		:::: If we would, hypothetically speaking of course, put the Desert Threat portion inside the official canon page (and put the differences between canon in behind the scenes) we should make perhaps a clear distinction between the canon and non-canon parts or else we would confuse the readers. This will also bring up other questions like what do we do with the ''desmond-non canon'' page? do we assimilate him and the other non-canon pages into the existing ones as well? If so I would prefer it to be a seperate section beneath the existing canon to avoid confussion. [[User talk:FalconBrowser\|FalconBrowser]] [[FalconBrowser]] 19:05, 21 May (UTC)
	:::::We have a way of highlighting that a certain section of the body describes ambiguously canonical events. As for the non-canon iterations of the original ''Assassin's Creed'' characters, we do not have to merge them back into their respective canon pages. If we were to do so though, they would just be covered in the BTS section. I don't think Aymar's two answers are too ambiguous about ''The Ming Storm'' being non-canon although the fact he feels the need to avoid saying it directly makes him sound non-committal. My concern now is a consistent policy between ''The Ming Storm'' + ''The Desert Threat'' and ''Identity'' chapters 1+2. If we continue to treat ''Identity'' chapter 1 as ambiguously canon despite chapter 2 being obviously non-canon, then I would like to treat ''The Desert Threat'' ambiguously canon as well. Personally, despite Aymar's answer, I would be fine also treating ''The Ming Storm'' ambiguously canon if it were to help streamline things on our end. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 09:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)		:::::We have a way of highlighting that a certain section of the body describes ambiguously canonical events. As for the non-canon iterations of the original ''Assassin's Creed'' characters, we do not have to merge them back into their respective canon pages. If we were to do so though, they would just be covered in the BTS section. I don't think Aymar's two answers are too ambiguous about ''The Ming Storm'' being non-canon although the fact he feels the need to avoid saying it directly makes him sound non-committal. My concern now is a consistent policy between ''The Ming Storm'' + ''The Desert Threat'' and ''Identity'' chapters 1+2. If we continue to treat ''Identity'' chapter 1 as ambiguously canon despite chapter 2 being obviously non-canon, then I would like to treat ''The Desert Threat'' ambiguously canon as well. Personally, despite Aymar's answer, I would be fine also treating ''The Ming Storm'' ambiguously canon if it were to help streamline things on our end. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 09:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

	:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

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	:::Even saying that "original work using existing characters" just sounds like its expanding Shao Jun's story and nothing about that makes it sound non-canon. ''Visionaries'' i totally get being non-canon for sure, but I've always on the fence about ''The Ming Storm''. Even if it does contradict some things in ''Chronicles: China'' surely we can state the differences in "Behind the scenes" then add all of ''Desert Threat'' to her page...after all we control the canon not Ubisoft lmao.[[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 08:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		:::Even saying that "original work using existing characters" just sounds like its expanding Shao Jun's story and nothing about that makes it sound non-canon. ''Visionaries'' i totally get being non-canon for sure, but I've always on the fence about ''The Ming Storm''. Even if it does contradict some things in ''Chronicles: China'' surely we can state the differences in "Behind the scenes" then add all of ''Desert Threat'' to her page...after all we control the canon not Ubisoft lmao.[[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 08:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	:::: If we would, hypothetically speaking of course, put the Desert Threat portion inside the official canon page (and put the differences between canon in behind the scenes) we should make perhaps a clear distinction between the canon and non-canon parts or else we would confuse the readers. This will also bring up other questions like what do we do with the ''desmond-non canon'' page? do we assimilate him and the other non-canon pages into the existing ones as well? If so I would prefer it to be a seperate section beneath the existing canon to avoid confussion. [[User talk:FalconBrowser\|FalconBrowser]] [[FalconBrowser]] 19:05, 21 May (UTC)		:::: If we would, hypothetically speaking of course, put the Desert Threat portion inside the official canon page (and put the differences between canon in behind the scenes) we should make perhaps a clear distinction between the canon and non-canon parts or else we would confuse the readers. This will also bring up other questions like what do we do with the ''desmond-non canon'' page? do we assimilate him and the other non-canon pages into the existing ones as well? If so I would prefer it to be a seperate section beneath the existing canon to avoid confussion. [[User talk:FalconBrowser\|FalconBrowser]] [[FalconBrowser]] 19:05, 21 May (UTC)
			:::::We have a way of highlighting that a certain section of the body describes ambiguously canonical events. As for the non-canon iterations of the original ''Assassin's Creed'' characters, we do not have to merge them back into their respective canon pages. If we were to do so though, they would just be covered in the BTS section. I don't think Aymar's two answers are too ambiguous about ''The Ming Storm'' being non-canon although the fact he feels the need to avoid saying it directly makes him sound non-committal. My concern now is a consistent policy between ''The Ming Storm'' + ''The Desert Threat'' and ''Identity'' chapters 1+2. If we continue to treat ''Identity'' chapter 1 as ambiguously canon despite chapter 2 being obviously non-canon, then I would like to treat ''The Desert Threat'' ambiguously canon as well. Personally, despite Aymar's answer, I would be fine also treating ''The Ming Storm'' ambiguously canon if it were to help streamline things on our end. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 09:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
	:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		:::::If we did merge these back into the canon articles the non canon stuff would most likely go under behind the scenes in its own subsection. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
	::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)		::::::I think what I'm saying is being missed. The ''Ming Storm''{{'}}s non-canonness is very vague. The French graphic novels were the whole modern day non canon, past sorta canon. Since the ''Ming Storm'' just basically adapts ''Chronicles China'', the differences of that put in BtS (even BoSJ had some differences) and then we add ''Desert Threat'' info to her page under idk "Adventures in Mongolia" or something. Make it AmbigCanon if necessary. [[User:VilkaIsBack\|VilkaIsBack]] ([[User talk:VilkaIsBack\|talk]]) 21:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)