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	I tried to raise this question in different forms with Sol in Aug 2021 and Dec 2022, though I did not get a reply either time, but I was reminded of the matter with the recent page creations for Fukuyuma Waretsuku, Wang, Taki Choji, and the pirate Katana. A number of characters and events in ''The Ming Storm''/''Turbulence in the Ming Dynasty''—and perhaps ''The Desert Threat'', though I have not read it yet—openly contradict their canonical appearances in ''Chronicles China'' and ''Blade of Shao Jun''. For example, Gao Feng appears fighting obscured in the shadows and dies beside his own eunuch aide Pang Chung, despite the game only showing Feng alone on a cliff at day and not mentioning Chung at all. Or, Wang Yangming still dies, but sitting peacefully after playing a tense game of Go against Zhang Yong rather than being stabbed through the chest.		I tried to raise this question in different forms with Sol in Aug 2021 and Dec 2022, though I did not get a reply either time, but I was reminded of the matter with the recent page creations for Fukuyuma Waretsuku, Wang, Taki Choji, and the pirate Katana. A number of characters and events in ''The Ming Storm''/''Turbulence in the Ming Dynasty''—and perhaps ''The Desert Threat'', though I have not read it yet—openly contradict their canonical appearances in ''Chronicles China'' and ''Blade of Shao Jun''. For example, Gao Feng appears fighting obscured in the shadows and dies beside his own eunuch aide Pang Chung, despite the game only showing Feng alone on a cliff at day and not mentioning Chung at all. Or, Wang Yangming still dies, but sitting peacefully after playing a tense game of Go against Zhang Yong rather than being stabbed through the chest.

	How should we deal with the non-canon information that samples from canon media yet adds flourishes making things unreconcilable with some pages' current states? I was thinking we could implement something like Wookieepedia's [~~[w:c~~:starwars:Template:~~Canontab\|~~Template:Canontab]] for our own few articles with canon/non-canon splits, though looking at its source code, I admit I do not understand all of what it means and hesitate to copy/paste here. The tabs would also apply to the modern parts of the comics by ''Les Deux Royaumes'', where they have non-canon people from the first games (Shaun, Desmond, etc). However, I believe those ten are pretty short pages anyway, so I don't think it'd be a big change for them. What say you all? [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 03:10, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		How should we deal with the non-canon information that samples from canon media yet adds flourishes making things unreconcilable with some pages' current states? I was thinking we could implement something like Wookieepedia's [https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Top Template:Canontab] for our own few articles with canon/non-canon splits, though looking at its source code, I admit I do not understand all of what it means and hesitate to copy/paste here. The tabs would also apply to the modern parts of the comics by ''Les Deux Royaumes'', where they have non-canon people from the first games (Shaun, Desmond, etc). However, I believe those ten are pretty short pages anyway, so I don't think it'd be a big change for them. What say you all? [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 03:10, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	:Wookieepedia Canon vs. Legends tab system is an extreme measure that was devised because there was no other recourse to handle a splitting of the entire continuity into two. You have to understand that at the time the system was invented, Disney had suddenly declared at least 90% of ''Star Wars'' lore in existence non-canon, so Wookieepedians were faced with the choice of either purging their entire site, defying the Disney decision at risk of becoming obsolete to the fandom, or creating a dual continuity system. Several non-canonical works existing alongside an undisputed continuity is not cause at all to implement Wookieepedia's complex system. This situation of ours is instead analogous to how non-canonical content from the ''[~~[w:c~~:starwars:Star Wars Tales~~\|Star Wars Tales]~~]'' comics has been handled.		:Wookieepedia Canon vs. Legends tab system is an extreme measure that was devised because there was no other recourse to handle a splitting of the entire continuity into two. You have to understand that at the time the system was invented, Disney had suddenly declared at least 90% of ''Star Wars'' lore in existence non-canon, so Wookieepedians were faced with the choice of either purging their entire site, defying the Disney decision at risk of becoming obsolete to the fandom, or creating a dual continuity system. Several non-canonical works existing alongside an undisputed continuity is not cause at all to implement Wookieepedia's complex system. This situation of ours is instead analogous to how non-canonical content from the ''[https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Tales Star Wars Tales]'' comics has been handled.

	:If we wanted to borrow from Wookieepedia practice, the accounts from these works would simply be told in the Behind the Scenes section, as is still done for non-canonical content within either Legends or Disney "Canon" continuity respectively. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		:If we wanted to borrow from Wookieepedia practice, the accounts from these works would simply be told in the Behind the Scenes section, as is still done for non-canonical content within either Legends or Disney "Canon" continuity respectively. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	:See "[~~[w:c~~:starwars:C-3PO/Legends#Non-canon_appearances\|C-3PO]]" and "[~~[w:c~~:starwars:Jango_Fett/Legends#Non-canonical_biographical_information\|Jango Fett]]" for two Legends examples and "[~~[w:c~~:starwars:Boba_Fett#Star_Wars:_Visions\|Boba Fett]]" for a Disney Canon example. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:59, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		:See "[https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/C-3PO/Legends#Non-canon_appearances C-3PO]" and "[https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jango_Fett/Legends#Non-canonical_biographical_information Jango Fett]" for two Legends examples and "[https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Boba_Fett#Star_Wars:_Visions Boba Fett]" for a Disney Canon example. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:59, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	::I remember when the Disney buy-out happened and knew like the Wookieepedians what it meant for their site, though I had not made a wikia account (at the time) then. I just had thought the idea of using their tabs here was not as extreme as you say it is. I do like the idea of using a "Non-canonical biographical information" section, though, even if it will make Shao Jun's page even longer. Perhaps we can do that for her, Zhang Yong, Maijishan Grottoes, Wang Yangming, etc? We already have non-canon appearances listed where applicable.<br><br>Oh, and I've found confirmation from Aymar Azaïzia that ''all'' parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' comics are non-canon, not just the modern part. So we can move the historical info to a non-canon or BTS section instead of where they are currently filed under the {AmbCanon Start/End} templates. [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:05, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		::I remember when the Disney buy-out happened and knew like the Wookieepedians what it meant for their site, though I had not made a wikia account (at the time) then. I just had thought the idea of using their tabs here was not as extreme as you say it is. I do like the idea of using a "Non-canonical biographical information" section, though, even if it will make Shao Jun's page even longer. Perhaps we can do that for her, Zhang Yong, Maijishan Grottoes, Wang Yangming, etc? We already have non-canon appearances listed where applicable.<br><br>Oh, and I've found confirmation from Aymar Azaïzia that ''all'' parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' comics are non-canon, not just the modern part. So we can move the historical info to a non-canon or BTS section instead of where they are currently filed under the {AmbCanon Start/End} templates. [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:05, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	:::I was so tempted to write, "''Darman you nimcumpoop, don't you dare call Star Wars Legends non-canon ever again!!!''" yesterday. On a serious note, starting from the premise that Legends is non-canon is sure to lead anyone immediately astray when it comes to ''Star Wars'' canonicity. The status of Legends is not and has never been like non-canonical works in ''Assassin's Creed'' such as ''Les Deux Royaumes'' comics even though Disney does officially impose a hierarchy of the continuities by designating their new continuity by the name Canon. What Disney did with ''Star Wars'' would be the equivalent of declaring all Marvel comics, even from the original Earth-616 universe, "non-canon" when they made the Marvel Cinematic Universe, rather than recognizing that there is more than one continuity. That's why the idea of using the tab system for non-canonical works in ''Assassin's Creed'' is extreme to me. It would be putting near equal weight to non-canon works with canon works, which does not make sense to me in a wiki—Star Wars Legends is a totally different case because it is nominally non-canon while being a whole canon continuity in practice. Almost every ''Star Wars'' video game ever made, including the still running MMORPG ''Star Wars: The Old Republic'' is set in Legends and even the prequel films were made with Legends lore in mind and reference them. The tab system has actually been proposed years before on this wiki to delineate in-universe content from gameplay content. While I haven't been convinced by this idea, it is a much more reasonable case for implementing this.		:::I was so tempted to write, "''Darman you nimcumpoop, don't you dare call Star Wars Legends non-canon ever again!!!''" yesterday. On a serious note, starting from the premise that Legends is non-canon is sure to lead anyone immediately astray when it comes to ''Star Wars'' canonicity. The status of Legends is not and has never been like non-canonical works in ''Assassin's Creed'' such as ''Les Deux Royaumes'' comics even though Disney does officially impose a hierarchy of the continuities by designating their new continuity by the name Canon. What Disney did with ''Star Wars'' would be the equivalent of declaring all Marvel comics, even from the original Earth-616 universe, "non-canon" when they made the Marvel Cinematic Universe, rather than recognizing that there is more than one continuity. That's why the idea of using the tab system for non-canonical works in ''Assassin's Creed'' is extreme to me. It would be putting near equal weight to non-canon works with canon works, which does not make sense to me in a wiki—Star Wars Legends is a totally different case because it is nominally non-canon while being a whole canon continuity in practice. Almost every ''Star Wars'' video game ever made, including the still running MMORPG ''Star Wars: The Old Republic'' is set in Legends and even the prequel films were made with Legends lore in mind and reference them. The tab system has actually been proposed years before on this wiki to delineate in-universe content from gameplay content. While I haven't been convinced by this idea, it is a much more reasonable case for implementing this.
	:::Can you give the source from Aymar Azaïzia confirming that all parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' is non-canon? I thought the last answer we received about this was that the "historical" parts of the comic might be canon while the modern-day moments obviously not. I might have to double-check with my predecessor, Master Sima Yi. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		:::Can you give the source from Aymar Azaïzia confirming that all parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' is non-canon? I thought the last answer we received about this was that the "historical" parts of the comic might be canon while the modern-day moments obviously not. I might have to double-check with my predecessor, Master Sima Yi. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	Hmm, I see. The tabs are far more serious a thing to have here than I had initially thought. While I could see a possible benefit to a gameplay tab, like how the ''League of Legends'' wiki has splits [~~[w:c~~:leagueoflegends:Sylas\|Sylas' character bio]] from [~~[w:c~~:leagueoflegends:Sylas/LoL\|his stats and abilities]], I agree with you and am unconvinced we should have it after pivoting away from it to a lore perspective.<br><br>As for Aymar's latest statement (thus far) on ''Les Deux Royaumes'', I found it when searching online but it was previously linked here in April 2021 by Nstav13 in the [[Talk:Assassin's Creed (Les Deux Royaumes comics)#Canon\|Cycle 1 talk page]]. In response to a fan asking whether the historical parts of the The Ankh of Isis and The Hawk trilogies were canon, he replied, ''"Nope, neither is, but we picked and choose some elements we thought would be nice to reference, like the Aquilus ship name in ACIII ;)"''. As best I can tell, this matches his [https://twitter.com/AymarMtl/status/702509897976516608 2016 reply to Sorrosyss] asking about the comics saying "Not vol 1-6 unfortunately", which The Wikia Editor also wrote about in [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/f/p/3066697112092678941 this thread], and his [https://twitter.com/AymarMtl/status/917911845419339776 2017 reply] to another fan saying ''"Predent [sic] day are not. Past plot are not, some characters will be refered [sic] and used in our lore. So mainly don't rely on them."'' – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 23:55, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		Hmm, I see. The tabs are far more serious a thing to have here than I had initially thought. While I could see a possible benefit to a gameplay tab, like how the ''League of Legends'' wiki has splits [https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Sylas Sylas' character bio] from [https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Sylas/LoL his stats and abilities], I agree with you and am unconvinced we should have it after pivoting away from it to a lore perspective.<br><br>As for Aymar's latest statement (thus far) on ''Les Deux Royaumes'', I found it when searching online but it was previously linked here in April 2021 by Nstav13 in the [[Talk:Assassin's Creed (Les Deux Royaumes comics)#Canon\|Cycle 1 talk page]]. In response to a fan asking whether the historical parts of the The Ankh of Isis and The Hawk trilogies were canon, he replied, ''"Nope, neither is, but we picked and choose some elements we thought would be nice to reference, like the Aquilus ship name in ACIII ;)"''. As best I can tell, this matches his [https://twitter.com/AymarMtl/status/702509897976516608 2016 reply to Sorrosyss] asking about the comics saying "Not vol 1-6 unfortunately", which The Wikia Editor also wrote about in [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/f/p/3066697112092678941 this thread], and his [https://twitter.com/AymarMtl/status/917911845419339776 2017 reply] to another fan saying ''"Predent [sic] day are not. Past plot are not, some characters will be refered [sic] and used in our lore. So mainly don't rely on them."'' – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 23:55, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	:Given the wonkiness and after the factness of this plus Aquilus isn't just referenced by the ship but actually stated to be an ancestor of Desmond in AC III I think we should keep the ambig canon format for historical comic stuff from that line. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 10:40, 22 April 2023 (UTC)		:Given the wonkiness and after the factness of this plus Aquilus isn't just referenced by the ship but actually stated to be an ancestor of Desmond in AC III I think we should keep the ambig canon format for historical comic stuff from that line. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 10:40, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

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	:::I was so tempted to write, "''Darman you nimcumpoop, don't you dare call Star Wars Legends non-canon ever again!!!''" yesterday. On a serious note, starting from the premise that Legends is non-canon is sure to lead anyone immediately astray when it comes to ''Star Wars'' canonicity. The status of Legends is not and has never been like non-canonical works in ''Assassin's Creed'' such as ''Les Deux Royaumes'' comics even though Disney does officially impose a hierarchy of the continuities by designating their new continuity by the name Canon. What Disney did with ''Star Wars'' would be the equivalent of declaring all Marvel comics, even from the original Earth-616 universe, "non-canon" when they made the Marvel Cinematic Universe, rather than recognizing that there is more than one continuity. That's why the idea of using the tab system for non-canonical works in ''Assassin's Creed'' is extreme to me. It would be putting near equal weight to non-canon works with canon works, which does not make sense to me in a wiki—Star Wars Legends is a totally different case because it is nominally non-canon while being a whole canon continuity in practice. Almost every ''Star Wars'' video game ever made, including the still running MMORPG ''Star Wars: The Old Republic'' is set in Legends and even the prequel films were made with Legends lore in mind and reference them. The tab system has actually been proposed years before on this wiki to delineate in-universe content from gameplay content. While I haven't been convinced by this idea, it is a much more reasonable case for implementing this.		:::I was so tempted to write, "''Darman you nimcumpoop, don't you dare call Star Wars Legends non-canon ever again!!!''" yesterday. On a serious note, starting from the premise that Legends is non-canon is sure to lead anyone immediately astray when it comes to ''Star Wars'' canonicity. The status of Legends is not and has never been like non-canonical works in ''Assassin's Creed'' such as ''Les Deux Royaumes'' comics even though Disney does officially impose a hierarchy of the continuities by designating their new continuity by the name Canon. What Disney did with ''Star Wars'' would be the equivalent of declaring all Marvel comics, even from the original Earth-616 universe, "non-canon" when they made the Marvel Cinematic Universe, rather than recognizing that there is more than one continuity. That's why the idea of using the tab system for non-canonical works in ''Assassin's Creed'' is extreme to me. It would be putting near equal weight to non-canon works with canon works, which does not make sense to me in a wiki—Star Wars Legends is a totally different case because it is nominally non-canon while being a whole canon continuity in practice. Almost every ''Star Wars'' video game ever made, including the still running MMORPG ''Star Wars: The Old Republic'' is set in Legends and even the prequel films were made with Legends lore in mind and reference them. The tab system has actually been proposed years before on this wiki to delineate in-universe content from gameplay content. While I haven't been convinced by this idea, it is a much more reasonable case for implementing this.
	:::Can you give the source from Aymar Azaïzia confirming that all parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' is non-canon? I thought the last answer we received about this was that the "historical" parts of the comic might be canon while the modern-day moments obviously not. I might have to double-check with my predecessor, Master Sima Yi. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		:::Can you give the source from Aymar Azaïzia confirming that all parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' is non-canon? I thought the last answer we received about this was that the "historical" parts of the comic might be canon while the modern-day moments obviously not. I might have to double-check with my predecessor, Master Sima Yi. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	Hmm, I see. The tabs are far more serious a thing to have here than I had initially thought. While I could see a possible benefit to a gameplay tab, like how the ''League of Legends'' wiki has splits [[w:c:leagueoflegends:Sylas\|Sylas' character bio]] from [[w:c:leagueoflegends:Sylas/LoL\|his stats and abilities]], I agree with you and am unconvinced we should have it after pivoting away from it to a lore perspective.<br><br>As for Aymar's latest statement (thus far) on ''Les Deux Royaumes'', I found it when searching online but it was previously linked here in April 2021 by Nstav13 in the [[Talk:Assassin's Creed ~~– Cycle 1~~#Canon\|Cycle 1 talk page]]. In response to a fan asking whether the historical parts of the The Ankh of Isis and The Hawk trilogies were canon, he replied, ''"Nope, neither is, but we picked and choose some elements we thought would be nice to reference, like the Aquilus ship name in ACIII ;)"''. As best I can tell, this matches his [https://twitter.com/AymarMtl/status/702509897976516608 2016 reply to Sorrosyss] asking about the comics saying "Not vol 1-6 unfortunately", which The Wikia Editor also wrote about in [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/f/p/3066697112092678941 this thread], and his [https://twitter.com/AymarMtl/status/917911845419339776 2017 reply] to another fan saying ''"Predent [sic] day are not. Past plot are not, some characters will be refered [sic] and used in our lore. So mainly don't rely on them."'' – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 23:55, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		Hmm, I see. The tabs are far more serious a thing to have here than I had initially thought. While I could see a possible benefit to a gameplay tab, like how the ''League of Legends'' wiki has splits [[w:c:leagueoflegends:Sylas\|Sylas' character bio]] from [[w:c:leagueoflegends:Sylas/LoL\|his stats and abilities]], I agree with you and am unconvinced we should have it after pivoting away from it to a lore perspective.<br><br>As for Aymar's latest statement (thus far) on ''Les Deux Royaumes'', I found it when searching online but it was previously linked here in April 2021 by Nstav13 in the [[Talk:Assassin's Creed (Les Deux Royaumes comics)#Canon\|Cycle 1 talk page]]. In response to a fan asking whether the historical parts of the The Ankh of Isis and The Hawk trilogies were canon, he replied, ''"Nope, neither is, but we picked and choose some elements we thought would be nice to reference, like the Aquilus ship name in ACIII ;)"''. As best I can tell, this matches his [https://twitter.com/AymarMtl/status/702509897976516608 2016 reply to Sorrosyss] asking about the comics saying "Not vol 1-6 unfortunately", which The Wikia Editor also wrote about in [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/f/p/3066697112092678941 this thread], and his [https://twitter.com/AymarMtl/status/917911845419339776 2017 reply] to another fan saying ''"Predent [sic] day are not. Past plot are not, some characters will be refered [sic] and used in our lore. So mainly don't rely on them."'' – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 23:55, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	:Given the wonkiness and after the factness of this plus Aquilus isn't just referenced by the ship but actually stated to be an ancestor of Desmond in AC III I think we should keep the ambig canon format for historical comic stuff from that line. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 10:40, 22 April 2023 (UTC)		:Given the wonkiness and after the factness of this plus Aquilus isn't just referenced by the ship but actually stated to be an ancestor of Desmond in AC III I think we should keep the ambig canon format for historical comic stuff from that line. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 10:40, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

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	:::Can you give the source from Aymar Azaïzia confirming that all parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' is non-canon? I thought the last answer we received about this was that the "historical" parts of the comic might be canon while the modern-day moments obviously not. I might have to double-check with my predecessor, Master Sima Yi. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		:::Can you give the source from Aymar Azaïzia confirming that all parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' is non-canon? I thought the last answer we received about this was that the "historical" parts of the comic might be canon while the modern-day moments obviously not. I might have to double-check with my predecessor, Master Sima Yi. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	Hmm, I see. The tabs are far more serious a thing to have here than I had initially thought. While I could see a possible benefit to a gameplay tab, like how the ''League of Legends'' wiki has splits [[w:c:leagueoflegends:Sylas\|Sylas' character bio]] from [[w:c:leagueoflegends:Sylas/LoL\|his stats and abilities]], I agree with you and am unconvinced we should have it after pivoting away from it to a lore perspective.<br><br>As for Aymar's latest statement (thus far) on ''Les Deux Royaumes'', I found it when searching online but it was previously linked here in April 2021 by Nstav13 in the [[Talk:Assassin's Creed – Cycle 1#Canon\|Cycle 1 talk page]]. In response to a fan asking whether the historical parts of the The Ankh of Isis and The Hawk trilogies were canon, he replied, ''"Nope, neither is, but we picked and choose some elements we thought would be nice to reference, like the Aquilus ship name in ACIII ;)"''. As best I can tell, this matches his [https://twitter.com/AymarMtl/status/702509897976516608 2016 reply to Sorrosyss] asking about the comics saying "Not vol 1-6 unfortunately", which The Wikia Editor also wrote about in [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/f/p/3066697112092678941 this thread], and his [https://twitter.com/AymarMtl/status/917911845419339776 2017 reply] to another fan saying ''"Predent [sic] day are not. Past plot are not, some characters will be refered [sic] and used in our lore. So mainly don't rely on them."'' – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 23:55, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		Hmm, I see. The tabs are far more serious a thing to have here than I had initially thought. While I could see a possible benefit to a gameplay tab, like how the ''League of Legends'' wiki has splits [[w:c:leagueoflegends:Sylas\|Sylas' character bio]] from [[w:c:leagueoflegends:Sylas/LoL\|his stats and abilities]], I agree with you and am unconvinced we should have it after pivoting away from it to a lore perspective.<br><br>As for Aymar's latest statement (thus far) on ''Les Deux Royaumes'', I found it when searching online but it was previously linked here in April 2021 by Nstav13 in the [[Talk:Assassin's Creed – Cycle 1#Canon\|Cycle 1 talk page]]. In response to a fan asking whether the historical parts of the The Ankh of Isis and The Hawk trilogies were canon, he replied, ''"Nope, neither is, but we picked and choose some elements we thought would be nice to reference, like the Aquilus ship name in ACIII ;)"''. As best I can tell, this matches his [https://twitter.com/AymarMtl/status/702509897976516608 2016 reply to Sorrosyss] asking about the comics saying "Not vol 1-6 unfortunately", which The Wikia Editor also wrote about in [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/f/p/3066697112092678941 this thread], and his [https://twitter.com/AymarMtl/status/917911845419339776 2017 reply] to another fan saying ''"Predent [sic] day are not. Past plot are not, some characters will be refered [sic] and used in our lore. So mainly don't rely on them."'' – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 23:55, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
			:Given the wonkiness and after the factness of this plus Aquilus isn't just referenced by the ship but actually stated to be an ancestor of Desmond in AC III I think we should keep the ambig canon format for historical comic stuff from that line. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 10:40, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

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	:::I was so tempted to write, "''Darman you nimcumpoop, don't you dare call Star Wars Legends non-canon ever again!!!''" yesterday. On a serious note, starting from the premise that Legends is non-canon is sure to lead anyone immediately astray when it comes to ''Star Wars'' canonicity. The status of Legends is not and has never been like non-canonical works in ''Assassin's Creed'' such as ''Les Deux Royaumes'' comics even though Disney does officially impose a hierarchy of the continuities by designating their new continuity by the name Canon. What Disney did with ''Star Wars'' would be the equivalent of declaring all Marvel comics, even from the original Earth-616 universe, "non-canon" when they made the Marvel Cinematic Universe, rather than recognizing that there is more than one continuity. That's why the idea of using the tab system for non-canonical works in ''Assassin's Creed'' is extreme to me. It would be putting near equal weight to non-canon works with canon works, which does not make sense to me in a wiki—Star Wars Legends is a totally different case because it is nominally non-canon while being a whole canon continuity in practice. Almost every ''Star Wars'' video game ever made, including the still running MMORPG ''Star Wars: The Old Republic'' is set in Legends and even the prequel films were made with Legends lore in mind and reference them. The tab system has actually been proposed years before on this wiki to delineate in-universe content from gameplay content. While I haven't been convinced by this idea, it is a much more reasonable case for implementing this.		:::I was so tempted to write, "''Darman you nimcumpoop, don't you dare call Star Wars Legends non-canon ever again!!!''" yesterday. On a serious note, starting from the premise that Legends is non-canon is sure to lead anyone immediately astray when it comes to ''Star Wars'' canonicity. The status of Legends is not and has never been like non-canonical works in ''Assassin's Creed'' such as ''Les Deux Royaumes'' comics even though Disney does officially impose a hierarchy of the continuities by designating their new continuity by the name Canon. What Disney did with ''Star Wars'' would be the equivalent of declaring all Marvel comics, even from the original Earth-616 universe, "non-canon" when they made the Marvel Cinematic Universe, rather than recognizing that there is more than one continuity. That's why the idea of using the tab system for non-canonical works in ''Assassin's Creed'' is extreme to me. It would be putting near equal weight to non-canon works with canon works, which does not make sense to me in a wiki—Star Wars Legends is a totally different case because it is nominally non-canon while being a whole canon continuity in practice. Almost every ''Star Wars'' video game ever made, including the still running MMORPG ''Star Wars: The Old Republic'' is set in Legends and even the prequel films were made with Legends lore in mind and reference them. The tab system has actually been proposed years before on this wiki to delineate in-universe content from gameplay content. While I haven't been convinced by this idea, it is a much more reasonable case for implementing this.
	:::Can you give the source from Aymar Azaïzia confirming that all parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' is non-canon? I thought the last answer we received about this was that the "historical" parts of the comic might be canon while the modern-day moments obviously not. I might have to double-check with my predecessor, Master Sima Yi. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		:::Can you give the source from Aymar Azaïzia confirming that all parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' is non-canon? I thought the last answer we received about this was that the "historical" parts of the comic might be canon while the modern-day moments obviously not. I might have to double-check with my predecessor, Master Sima Yi. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
			Hmm, I see. The tabs are far more serious a thing to have here than I had initially thought. While I could see a possible benefit to a gameplay tab, like how the ''League of Legends'' wiki has splits [[w:c:leagueoflegends:Sylas\|Sylas' character bio]] from [[w:c:leagueoflegends:Sylas/LoL\|his stats and abilities]], I agree with you and am unconvinced we should have it after pivoting away from it to a lore perspective.<br><br>As for Aymar's latest statement (thus far) on ''Les Deux Royaumes'', I found it when searching online but it was previously linked here in April 2021 by Nstav13 in the [[Talk:Assassin's Creed – Cycle 1#Canon\|Cycle 1 talk page]]. In response to a fan asking whether the historical parts of the The Ankh of Isis and The Hawk trilogies were canon, he replied, ''"Nope, neither is, but we picked and choose some elements we thought would be nice to reference, like the Aquilus ship name in ACIII ;)"''. As best I can tell, this matches his [https://twitter.com/AymarMtl/status/702509897976516608 2016 reply to Sorrosyss] asking about the comics saying "Not vol 1-6 unfortunately", which The Wikia Editor also wrote about in [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/f/p/3066697112092678941 this thread], and his [https://twitter.com/AymarMtl/status/917911845419339776 2017 reply] to another fan saying ''"Predent [sic] day are not. Past plot are not, some characters will be refered [sic] and used in our lore. So mainly don't rely on them."'' – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 23:55, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

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	:See "[[w:c:starwars:C-3PO/Legends#Non-canon_appearances\|C-3PO]]" and "[[w:c:starwars:Jango_Fett/Legends#Non-canonical_biographical_information\|Jango Fett]]" for two Legends examples and "[[w:c:starwars:Boba_Fett#Star_Wars:_Visions\|Boba Fett]]" for a Disney Canon example. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:59, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		:See "[[w:c:starwars:C-3PO/Legends#Non-canon_appearances\|C-3PO]]" and "[[w:c:starwars:Jango_Fett/Legends#Non-canonical_biographical_information\|Jango Fett]]" for two Legends examples and "[[w:c:starwars:Boba_Fett#Star_Wars:_Visions\|Boba Fett]]" for a Disney Canon example. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:59, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	::I remember when the Disney buy-out happened and knew like the Wookieepedians what it meant for their site, though I had not made a wikia account (at the time) then. I just had thought the idea of using their tabs here was not as extreme as you say it is. I do like the idea of using a "Non-canonical biographical information" section, though, even if it will make Shao Jun's page even longer. Perhaps we can do that for her, Zhang Yong, Maijishan Grottoes, Wang Yangming, etc? We already have non-canon appearances listed where applicable.<br><br>Oh, and I've found confirmation from Aymar Azaïzia that ''all'' parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' comics are non-canon, not just the modern part. So we can move the historical info to a non-canon or BTS section instead of where they are currently filed under the {AmbCanon Start/End} templates. [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:05, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		::I remember when the Disney buy-out happened and knew like the Wookieepedians what it meant for their site, though I had not made a wikia account (at the time) then. I just had thought the idea of using their tabs here was not as extreme as you say it is. I do like the idea of using a "Non-canonical biographical information" section, though, even if it will make Shao Jun's page even longer. Perhaps we can do that for her, Zhang Yong, Maijishan Grottoes, Wang Yangming, etc? We already have non-canon appearances listed where applicable.<br><br>Oh, and I've found confirmation from Aymar Azaïzia that ''all'' parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' comics are non-canon, not just the modern part. So we can move the historical info to a non-canon or BTS section instead of where they are currently filed under the {AmbCanon Start/End} templates. [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:05, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	:::I was so tempted to write, "''Darman you nimcumpoop, don't you dare call Star Wars Legends non-canon ever again!!!''" yesterday. On a serious note, starting from the premise that Legends is non-canon is sure to lead anyone immediately astray when it comes to ''Star Wars'' canonicity. The status of Legends is not and has never been like non-canonical works in ''Assassin's Creed'' such as ''Les Deux Royaumes'' comics even though Disney does officially impose a hierarchy of the continuities by designating their new continuity by the name Canon. What Disney did with ''Star Wars'' would be the equivalent of declaring all Marvel comics, even from the ~~main~~ Earth-616 universe "non-canon" when they made the Marvel Cinematic Universe, rather than recognizing that there is more than one continuity. That's why the idea of using the tab system for non-canonical works in ''Assassin's Creed'' is extreme to me. It would be putting near equal weight to non-canon works with canon works, which does not make sense to me in a wiki—Star Wars Legends is a totally different case because it is nominally non-canon while being a whole canon continuity in practice. Almost every ''Star Wars'' video game ever made, including the still running MMORPG ''Star Wars: The Old Republic'' is set in Legends and even the prequel films were made with Legends lore in mind and reference them. The tab system has actually been proposed years before on this wiki to delineate in-universe content from gameplay content. While I haven't been convinced by this idea, it is a much more reasonable case for implementing this.		:::I was so tempted to write, "''Darman you nimcumpoop, don't you dare call Star Wars Legends non-canon ever again!!!''" yesterday. On a serious note, starting from the premise that Legends is non-canon is sure to lead anyone immediately astray when it comes to ''Star Wars'' canonicity. The status of Legends is not and has never been like non-canonical works in ''Assassin's Creed'' such as ''Les Deux Royaumes'' comics even though Disney does officially impose a hierarchy of the continuities by designating their new continuity by the name Canon. What Disney did with ''Star Wars'' would be the equivalent of declaring all Marvel comics, even from the original Earth-616 universe, "non-canon" when they made the Marvel Cinematic Universe, rather than recognizing that there is more than one continuity. That's why the idea of using the tab system for non-canonical works in ''Assassin's Creed'' is extreme to me. It would be putting near equal weight to non-canon works with canon works, which does not make sense to me in a wiki—Star Wars Legends is a totally different case because it is nominally non-canon while being a whole canon continuity in practice. Almost every ''Star Wars'' video game ever made, including the still running MMORPG ''Star Wars: The Old Republic'' is set in Legends and even the prequel films were made with Legends lore in mind and reference them. The tab system has actually been proposed years before on this wiki to delineate in-universe content from gameplay content. While I haven't been convinced by this idea, it is a much more reasonable case for implementing this.
	:::Can you give the source from Aymar Azaïzia confirming that all parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' is non-canon? I thought the last answer we received about this was that the "historical" parts of the comic might be canon while the modern-day moments obviously not. I might have to double-check with my predecessor, Master Sima Yi. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		:::Can you give the source from Aymar Azaïzia confirming that all parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' is non-canon? I thought the last answer we received about this was that the "historical" parts of the comic might be canon while the modern-day moments obviously not. I might have to double-check with my predecessor, Master Sima Yi. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

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	:See "[[w:c:starwars:C-3PO/Legends#Non-canon_appearances\|C-3PO]]" and "[[w:c:starwars:Jango_Fett/Legends#Non-canonical_biographical_information\|Jango Fett]]" for two Legends examples and "[[w:c:starwars:Boba_Fett#Star_Wars:_Visions\|Boba Fett]]" for a Disney Canon example. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:59, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		:See "[[w:c:starwars:C-3PO/Legends#Non-canon_appearances\|C-3PO]]" and "[[w:c:starwars:Jango_Fett/Legends#Non-canonical_biographical_information\|Jango Fett]]" for two Legends examples and "[[w:c:starwars:Boba_Fett#Star_Wars:_Visions\|Boba Fett]]" for a Disney Canon example. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:59, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	::I remember when the Disney buy-out happened and knew like the Wookieepedians what it meant for their site, though I had not made a wikia account (at the time) then. I just had thought the idea of using their tabs here was not as extreme as you say it is. I do like the idea of using a "Non-canonical biographical information" section, though, even if it will make Shao Jun's page even longer. Perhaps we can do that for her, Zhang Yong, Maijishan Grottoes, Wang Yangming, etc? We already have non-canon appearances listed where applicable.<br><br>Oh, and I've found confirmation from Aymar Azaïzia that ''all'' parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' comics are non-canon, not just the modern part. So we can move the historical info to a non-canon or BTS section instead of where they are currently filed under the {AmbCanon Start/End} templates. [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:05, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		::I remember when the Disney buy-out happened and knew like the Wookieepedians what it meant for their site, though I had not made a wikia account (at the time) then. I just had thought the idea of using their tabs here was not as extreme as you say it is. I do like the idea of using a "Non-canonical biographical information" section, though, even if it will make Shao Jun's page even longer. Perhaps we can do that for her, Zhang Yong, Maijishan Grottoes, Wang Yangming, etc? We already have non-canon appearances listed where applicable.<br><br>Oh, and I've found confirmation from Aymar Azaïzia that ''all'' parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' comics are non-canon, not just the modern part. So we can move the historical info to a non-canon or BTS section instead of where they are currently filed under the {AmbCanon Start/End} templates. [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:05, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
			:::I was so tempted to write, "''Darman you nimcumpoop, don't you dare call Star Wars Legends non-canon ever again!!!''" yesterday. On a serious note, starting from the premise that Legends is non-canon is sure to lead anyone immediately astray when it comes to ''Star Wars'' canonicity. The status of Legends is not and has never been like non-canonical works in ''Assassin's Creed'' such as ''Les Deux Royaumes'' comics even though Disney does officially impose a hierarchy of the continuities by designating their new continuity by the name Canon. What Disney did with ''Star Wars'' would be the equivalent of declaring all Marvel comics, even from the main Earth-616 universe "non-canon" when they made the Marvel Cinematic Universe, rather than recognizing that there is more than one continuity. That's why the idea of using the tab system for non-canonical works in ''Assassin's Creed'' is extreme to me. It would be putting near equal weight to non-canon works with canon works, which does not make sense to me in a wiki—Star Wars Legends is a totally different case because it is nominally non-canon while being a whole canon continuity in practice. Almost every ''Star Wars'' video game ever made, including the still running MMORPG ''Star Wars: The Old Republic'' is set in Legends and even the prequel films were made with Legends lore in mind and reference them. The tab system has actually been proposed years before on this wiki to delineate in-universe content from gameplay content. While I haven't been convinced by this idea, it is a much more reasonable case for implementing this.
			:::Can you give the source from Aymar Azaïzia confirming that all parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' is non-canon? I thought the last answer we received about this was that the "historical" parts of the comic might be canon while the modern-day moments obviously not. I might have to double-check with my predecessor, Master Sima Yi. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

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	:If we wanted to borrow from Wookieepedia practice, the accounts from these works would simply be told in the Behind the Scenes section, as is still done for non-canonical content within either Legends or Disney "Canon" continuity respectively. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		:If we wanted to borrow from Wookieepedia practice, the accounts from these works would simply be told in the Behind the Scenes section, as is still done for non-canonical content within either Legends or Disney "Canon" continuity respectively. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	::See "[[w:c:starwars:C-3PO/Legends#Non-canon_appearances\|C-3PO]]" and "[[w:c:starwars:Jango_Fett/Legends#Non-canonical_biographical_information\|Jango Fett]]" for two Legends examples and "[[w:c:starwars:Boba_Fett#Star_Wars:_Visions\|Boba Fett]]" for a Disney Canon example. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:59, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		:See "[[w:c:starwars:C-3PO/Legends#Non-canon_appearances\|C-3PO]]" and "[[w:c:starwars:Jango_Fett/Legends#Non-canonical_biographical_information\|Jango Fett]]" for two Legends examples and "[[w:c:starwars:Boba_Fett#Star_Wars:_Visions\|Boba Fett]]" for a Disney Canon example. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:59, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
			::I remember when the Disney buy-out happened and knew like the Wookieepedians what it meant for their site, though I had not made a wikia account (at the time) then. I just had thought the idea of using their tabs here was not as extreme as you say it is. I do like the idea of using a "Non-canonical biographical information" section, though, even if it will make Shao Jun's page even longer. Perhaps we can do that for her, Zhang Yong, Maijishan Grottoes, Wang Yangming, etc? We already have non-canon appearances listed where applicable.<br><br>Oh, and I've found confirmation from Aymar Azaïzia that ''all'' parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' comics are non-canon, not just the modern part. So we can move the historical info to a non-canon or BTS section instead of where they are currently filed under the {AmbCanon Start/End} templates. [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:05, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

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	:If we wanted to borrow from Wookieepedia practice, the accounts from these works would simply be told in the Behind the Scenes section, as is still done for non-canonical content within either Legends or Disney "Canon" continuity respectively. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		:If we wanted to borrow from Wookieepedia practice, the accounts from these works would simply be told in the Behind the Scenes section, as is still done for non-canonical content within either Legends or Disney "Canon" continuity respectively. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
			::See "[[w:c:starwars:C-3PO/Legends#Non-canon_appearances\|C-3PO]]" and "[[w:c:starwars:Jango_Fett/Legends#Non-canonical_biographical_information\|Jango Fett]]" for two Legends examples and "[[w:c:starwars:Boba_Fett#Star_Wars:_Visions\|Boba Fett]]" for a Disney Canon example. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:59, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

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	How should we deal with the non-canon information that samples from canon media yet adds flourishes making things unreconcilable with some pages' current states? I was thinking we could implement something like Wookieepedia's [[w:c:starwars:Template:Canontab\|Template:Canontab]] for our own few articles with canon/non-canon splits, though looking at its source code, I admit I do not understand all of what it means and hesitate to copy/paste here. The tabs would also apply to the modern parts of the comics by ''Les Deux Royaumes'', where they have non-canon people from the first games (Shaun, Desmond, etc). However, I believe those ten are pretty short pages anyway, so I don't think it'd be a big change for them. What say you all? [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 03:10, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		How should we deal with the non-canon information that samples from canon media yet adds flourishes making things unreconcilable with some pages' current states? I was thinking we could implement something like Wookieepedia's [[w:c:starwars:Template:Canontab\|Template:Canontab]] for our own few articles with canon/non-canon splits, though looking at its source code, I admit I do not understand all of what it means and hesitate to copy/paste here. The tabs would also apply to the modern parts of the comics by ''Les Deux Royaumes'', where they have non-canon people from the first games (Shaun, Desmond, etc). However, I believe those ten are pretty short pages anyway, so I don't think it'd be a big change for them. What say you all? [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 03:10, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	:Wookieepedia Canon vs. Legends tab system is an extreme measure that was devised because there was no other recourse to handle a splitting of the entire continuity into two. You have to understand that at the time the system was invented, Disney had suddenly declared at least 90% of''Star Wars'' lore in existence non-canon, so Wookieepedians were faced with the choice of either purging their entire site, defying the Disney decision at risk of becoming obsolete to the fandom, or creating a dual continuity system. Several non-canonical works existing alongside an undisputed continuity is not cause at all to implement Wookieepedia's complex system. This situation of ours is instead analogous to how non-canonical ''Star Wars Tales'' ~~content~~ has been handled.		:Wookieepedia Canon vs. Legends tab system is an extreme measure that was devised because there was no other recourse to handle a splitting of the entire continuity into two. You have to understand that at the time the system was invented, Disney had suddenly declared at least 90% of ''Star Wars'' lore in existence non-canon, so Wookieepedians were faced with the choice of either purging their entire site, defying the Disney decision at risk of becoming obsolete to the fandom, or creating a dual continuity system. Several non-canonical works existing alongside an undisputed continuity is not cause at all to implement Wookieepedia's complex system. This situation of ours is instead analogous to how non-canonical content from the ''[[w:c:starwars:Star Wars Tales\|Star Wars Tales]]'' comics has been handled.

	:If we wanted to borrow from Wookieepedia practice, the accounts from these works would simply be told in the Behind the Scenes section, as is still done for non-canonical content within either Legends or Disney "Canon" continuity respectively. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		:If we wanted to borrow from Wookieepedia practice, the accounts from these works would simply be told in the Behind the Scenes section, as is still done for non-canonical content within either Legends or Disney "Canon" continuity respectively. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

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	How should we deal with the non-canon information that samples from canon media yet adds flourishes making things unreconcilable with some pages' current states? I was thinking we could implement something like Wookieepedia's [[w:c:starwars:Template:Canontab\|Template:Canontab]] for our own few articles with canon/non-canon splits, though looking at its source code, I admit I do not understand all of what it means and hesitate to copy/paste here. The tabs would also apply to the modern parts of the comics by ''Les Deux Royaumes'', where they have non-canon people from the first games (Shaun, Desmond, etc). However, I believe those ten are pretty short pages anyway, so I don't think it'd be a big change for them. What say you all? [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 03:10, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		How should we deal with the non-canon information that samples from canon media yet adds flourishes making things unreconcilable with some pages' current states? I was thinking we could implement something like Wookieepedia's [[w:c:starwars:Template:Canontab\|Template:Canontab]] for our own few articles with canon/non-canon splits, though looking at its source code, I admit I do not understand all of what it means and hesitate to copy/paste here. The tabs would also apply to the modern parts of the comics by ''Les Deux Royaumes'', where they have non-canon people from the first games (Shaun, Desmond, etc). However, I believe those ten are pretty short pages anyway, so I don't think it'd be a big change for them. What say you all? [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 03:10, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	:Wookieepedia Canon vs. Legends tab system is an extreme measure that was devised because there was no other recourse to handle a splitting of the entire continuity into two. You have to understand that at the time the system was invented, Disney had suddenly declared at least 90% of ~~everything in~~ ''Star Wars'' ~~up until then~~ non-canon, so Wookieepedians were faced with the choice of either purging their entire site, defying the Disney decision at risk of becoming obsolete to the fandom, or creating a dual continuity system. Several non-canonical works existing alongside an undisputed continuity is not cause at all to implement Wookieepedia's complex system. This situation of ours is instead analogous to how non-canonical ''Star Wars Tales'' content has been handled.		:Wookieepedia Canon vs. Legends tab system is an extreme measure that was devised because there was no other recourse to handle a splitting of the entire continuity into two. You have to understand that at the time the system was invented, Disney had suddenly declared at least 90% of''Star Wars'' lore in existence non-canon, so Wookieepedians were faced with the choice of either purging their entire site, defying the Disney decision at risk of becoming obsolete to the fandom, or creating a dual continuity system. Several non-canonical works existing alongside an undisputed continuity is not cause at all to implement Wookieepedia's complex system. This situation of ours is instead analogous to how non-canonical ''Star Wars Tales'' content has been handled.

	:If we wanted to borrow from Wookieepedia practice, the accounts from these works would simply be told in the Behind the Scenes section, as is still done for non-canonical content within either Legends or Disney "Canon" continuity respectively. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		:If we wanted to borrow from Wookieepedia practice, the accounts from these works would simply be told in the Behind the Scenes section, as is still done for non-canonical content within either Legends or Disney "Canon" continuity respectively. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

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	I tried to raise this question in different forms with Sol in Aug 2021 and Dec 2022, though I did not get a reply either time, but I was reminded of the matter with the recent page creations for Fukuyuma Waretsuku, Wang, Taki Choji, and the pirate Katana. A number of characters and events in ''The Ming Storm''/''Turbulence in the Ming Dynasty''—and perhaps ''The Desert Threat'', though I have not read it yet—openly contradict their canonical appearances in ''Chronicles China'' and ''Blade of Shao Jun''. For example, Gao Feng appears fighting obscured in the shadows and dies beside his own eunuch aide Pang Chung, despite the game only showing Feng alone on a cliff at day and not mentioning Chung at all. Or, Wang Yangming still dies, but sitting peacefully after playing a tense game of Go against Zhang Yong rather than being stabbed through the chest.		I tried to raise this question in different forms with Sol in Aug 2021 and Dec 2022, though I did not get a reply either time, but I was reminded of the matter with the recent page creations for Fukuyuma Waretsuku, Wang, Taki Choji, and the pirate Katana. A number of characters and events in ''The Ming Storm''/''Turbulence in the Ming Dynasty''—and perhaps ''The Desert Threat'', though I have not read it yet—openly contradict their canonical appearances in ''Chronicles China'' and ''Blade of Shao Jun''. For example, Gao Feng appears fighting obscured in the shadows and dies beside his own eunuch aide Pang Chung, despite the game only showing Feng alone on a cliff at day and not mentioning Chung at all. Or, Wang Yangming still dies, but sitting peacefully after playing a tense game of Go against Zhang Yong rather than being stabbed through the chest.

	How should we deal with the non-canon information that samples from canon media yet adds flourishes making things unreconcilable with some pages' current states? I was thinking we could implement something like Wookieepedia's [~~[w:c~~:starwars:Template:~~Canontab\|~~Template:Canontab]] for our own few articles with canon/non-canon splits, though looking at its source code, I admit I do not understand all of what it means and hesitate to copy/paste here. The tabs would also apply to the modern parts of the comics by ''Les Deux Royaumes'', where they have non-canon people from the first games (Shaun, Desmond, etc). However, I believe those ten are pretty short pages anyway, so I don't think it'd be a big change for them. What say you all? [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 03:10, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		How should we deal with the non-canon information that samples from canon media yet adds flourishes making things unreconcilable with some pages' current states? I was thinking we could implement something like Wookieepedia's [https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Top Template:Canontab] for our own few articles with canon/non-canon splits, though looking at its source code, I admit I do not understand all of what it means and hesitate to copy/paste here. The tabs would also apply to the modern parts of the comics by ''Les Deux Royaumes'', where they have non-canon people from the first games (Shaun, Desmond, etc). However, I believe those ten are pretty short pages anyway, so I don't think it'd be a big change for them. What say you all? [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 03:10, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	:Wookieepedia Canon vs. Legends tab system is an extreme measure that was devised because there was no other recourse to handle a splitting of the entire continuity into two. You have to understand that at the time the system was invented, Disney had suddenly declared at least 90% of ''Star Wars'' lore in existence non-canon, so Wookieepedians were faced with the choice of either purging their entire site, defying the Disney decision at risk of becoming obsolete to the fandom, or creating a dual continuity system. Several non-canonical works existing alongside an undisputed continuity is not cause at all to implement Wookieepedia's complex system. This situation of ours is instead analogous to how non-canonical content from the ''[~~[w:c~~:starwars:Star Wars Tales~~\|Star Wars Tales]~~]'' comics has been handled.		:Wookieepedia Canon vs. Legends tab system is an extreme measure that was devised because there was no other recourse to handle a splitting of the entire continuity into two. You have to understand that at the time the system was invented, Disney had suddenly declared at least 90% of ''Star Wars'' lore in existence non-canon, so Wookieepedians were faced with the choice of either purging their entire site, defying the Disney decision at risk of becoming obsolete to the fandom, or creating a dual continuity system. Several non-canonical works existing alongside an undisputed continuity is not cause at all to implement Wookieepedia's complex system. This situation of ours is instead analogous to how non-canonical content from the ''[https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Tales Star Wars Tales]'' comics has been handled.

	:If we wanted to borrow from Wookieepedia practice, the accounts from these works would simply be told in the Behind the Scenes section, as is still done for non-canonical content within either Legends or Disney "Canon" continuity respectively. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		:If we wanted to borrow from Wookieepedia practice, the accounts from these works would simply be told in the Behind the Scenes section, as is still done for non-canonical content within either Legends or Disney "Canon" continuity respectively. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	:See "[~~[w:c~~:starwars:C-3PO/Legends#Non-canon_appearances\|C-3PO]]" and "[~~[w:c~~:starwars:Jango_Fett/Legends#Non-canonical_biographical_information\|Jango Fett]]" for two Legends examples and "[~~[w:c~~:starwars:Boba_Fett#Star_Wars:_Visions\|Boba Fett]]" for a Disney Canon example. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:59, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		:See "[https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/C-3PO/Legends#Non-canon_appearances C-3PO]" and "[https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jango_Fett/Legends#Non-canonical_biographical_information Jango Fett]" for two Legends examples and "[https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Boba_Fett#Star_Wars:_Visions Boba Fett]" for a Disney Canon example. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:59, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	::I remember when the Disney buy-out happened and knew like the Wookieepedians what it meant for their site, though I had not made a wikia account (at the time) then. I just had thought the idea of using their tabs here was not as extreme as you say it is. I do like the idea of using a "Non-canonical biographical information" section, though, even if it will make Shao Jun's page even longer. Perhaps we can do that for her, Zhang Yong, Maijishan Grottoes, Wang Yangming, etc? We already have non-canon appearances listed where applicable.<br><br>Oh, and I've found confirmation from Aymar Azaïzia that ''all'' parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' comics are non-canon, not just the modern part. So we can move the historical info to a non-canon or BTS section instead of where they are currently filed under the {AmbCanon Start/End} templates. [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:05, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		::I remember when the Disney buy-out happened and knew like the Wookieepedians what it meant for their site, though I had not made a wikia account (at the time) then. I just had thought the idea of using their tabs here was not as extreme as you say it is. I do like the idea of using a "Non-canonical biographical information" section, though, even if it will make Shao Jun's page even longer. Perhaps we can do that for her, Zhang Yong, Maijishan Grottoes, Wang Yangming, etc? We already have non-canon appearances listed where applicable.<br><br>Oh, and I've found confirmation from Aymar Azaïzia that ''all'' parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' comics are non-canon, not just the modern part. So we can move the historical info to a non-canon or BTS section instead of where they are currently filed under the {AmbCanon Start/End} templates. [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:05, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	:::I was so tempted to write, "''Darman you nimcumpoop, don't you dare call Star Wars Legends non-canon ever again!!!''" yesterday. On a serious note, starting from the premise that Legends is non-canon is sure to lead anyone immediately astray when it comes to ''Star Wars'' canonicity. The status of Legends is not and has never been like non-canonical works in ''Assassin's Creed'' such as ''Les Deux Royaumes'' comics even though Disney does officially impose a hierarchy of the continuities by designating their new continuity by the name Canon. What Disney did with ''Star Wars'' would be the equivalent of declaring all Marvel comics, even from the original Earth-616 universe, "non-canon" when they made the Marvel Cinematic Universe, rather than recognizing that there is more than one continuity. That's why the idea of using the tab system for non-canonical works in ''Assassin's Creed'' is extreme to me. It would be putting near equal weight to non-canon works with canon works, which does not make sense to me in a wiki—Star Wars Legends is a totally different case because it is nominally non-canon while being a whole canon continuity in practice. Almost every ''Star Wars'' video game ever made, including the still running MMORPG ''Star Wars: The Old Republic'' is set in Legends and even the prequel films were made with Legends lore in mind and reference them. The tab system has actually been proposed years before on this wiki to delineate in-universe content from gameplay content. While I haven't been convinced by this idea, it is a much more reasonable case for implementing this.		:::I was so tempted to write, "''Darman you nimcumpoop, don't you dare call Star Wars Legends non-canon ever again!!!''" yesterday. On a serious note, starting from the premise that Legends is non-canon is sure to lead anyone immediately astray when it comes to ''Star Wars'' canonicity. The status of Legends is not and has never been like non-canonical works in ''Assassin's Creed'' such as ''Les Deux Royaumes'' comics even though Disney does officially impose a hierarchy of the continuities by designating their new continuity by the name Canon. What Disney did with ''Star Wars'' would be the equivalent of declaring all Marvel comics, even from the original Earth-616 universe, "non-canon" when they made the Marvel Cinematic Universe, rather than recognizing that there is more than one continuity. That's why the idea of using the tab system for non-canonical works in ''Assassin's Creed'' is extreme to me. It would be putting near equal weight to non-canon works with canon works, which does not make sense to me in a wiki—Star Wars Legends is a totally different case because it is nominally non-canon while being a whole canon continuity in practice. Almost every ''Star Wars'' video game ever made, including the still running MMORPG ''Star Wars: The Old Republic'' is set in Legends and even the prequel films were made with Legends lore in mind and reference them. The tab system has actually been proposed years before on this wiki to delineate in-universe content from gameplay content. While I haven't been convinced by this idea, it is a much more reasonable case for implementing this.
	:::Can you give the source from Aymar Azaïzia confirming that all parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' is non-canon? I thought the last answer we received about this was that the "historical" parts of the comic might be canon while the modern-day moments obviously not. I might have to double-check with my predecessor, Master Sima Yi. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		:::Can you give the source from Aymar Azaïzia confirming that all parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' is non-canon? I thought the last answer we received about this was that the "historical" parts of the comic might be canon while the modern-day moments obviously not. I might have to double-check with my predecessor, Master Sima Yi. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	Hmm, I see. The tabs are far more serious a thing to have here than I had initially thought. While I could see a possible benefit to a gameplay tab, like how the ''League of Legends'' wiki has splits [~~[w:c~~:leagueoflegends:Sylas\|Sylas' character bio]] from [~~[w:c~~:leagueoflegends:Sylas/LoL\|his stats and abilities]], I agree with you and am unconvinced we should have it after pivoting away from it to a lore perspective.<br><br>As for Aymar's latest statement (thus far) on ''Les Deux Royaumes'', I found it when searching online but it was previously linked here in April 2021 by Nstav13 in the [[Talk:Assassin's Creed (Les Deux Royaumes comics)#Canon\|Cycle 1 talk page]]. In response to a fan asking whether the historical parts of the The Ankh of Isis and The Hawk trilogies were canon, he replied, ''"Nope, neither is, but we picked and choose some elements we thought would be nice to reference, like the Aquilus ship name in ACIII ;)"''. As best I can tell, this matches his [https://twitter.com/AymarMtl/status/702509897976516608 2016 reply to Sorrosyss] asking about the comics saying "Not vol 1-6 unfortunately", which The Wikia Editor also wrote about in [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/f/p/3066697112092678941 this thread], and his [https://twitter.com/AymarMtl/status/917911845419339776 2017 reply] to another fan saying ''"Predent [sic] day are not. Past plot are not, some characters will be refered [sic] and used in our lore. So mainly don't rely on them."'' – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 23:55, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		Hmm, I see. The tabs are far more serious a thing to have here than I had initially thought. While I could see a possible benefit to a gameplay tab, like how the ''League of Legends'' wiki has splits [https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Sylas Sylas' character bio] from [https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Sylas/LoL his stats and abilities], I agree with you and am unconvinced we should have it after pivoting away from it to a lore perspective.<br><br>As for Aymar's latest statement (thus far) on ''Les Deux Royaumes'', I found it when searching online but it was previously linked here in April 2021 by Nstav13 in the [[Talk:Assassin's Creed (Les Deux Royaumes comics)#Canon\|Cycle 1 talk page]]. In response to a fan asking whether the historical parts of the The Ankh of Isis and The Hawk trilogies were canon, he replied, ''"Nope, neither is, but we picked and choose some elements we thought would be nice to reference, like the Aquilus ship name in ACIII ;)"''. As best I can tell, this matches his [https://twitter.com/AymarMtl/status/702509897976516608 2016 reply to Sorrosyss] asking about the comics saying "Not vol 1-6 unfortunately", which The Wikia Editor also wrote about in [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/f/p/3066697112092678941 this thread], and his [https://twitter.com/AymarMtl/status/917911845419339776 2017 reply] to another fan saying ''"Predent [sic] day are not. Past plot are not, some characters will be refered [sic] and used in our lore. So mainly don't rely on them."'' – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 23:55, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	:Given the wonkiness and after the factness of this plus Aquilus isn't just referenced by the ship but actually stated to be an ancestor of Desmond in AC III I think we should keep the ambig canon format for historical comic stuff from that line. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 10:40, 22 April 2023 (UTC)		:Given the wonkiness and after the factness of this plus Aquilus isn't just referenced by the ship but actually stated to be an ancestor of Desmond in AC III I think we should keep the ambig canon format for historical comic stuff from that line. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 10:40, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

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	:::Can you give the source from Aymar Azaïzia confirming that all parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' is non-canon? I thought the last answer we received about this was that the "historical" parts of the comic might be canon while the modern-day moments obviously not. I might have to double-check with my predecessor, Master Sima Yi. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		:::Can you give the source from Aymar Azaïzia confirming that all parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' is non-canon? I thought the last answer we received about this was that the "historical" parts of the comic might be canon while the modern-day moments obviously not. I might have to double-check with my predecessor, Master Sima Yi. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	Hmm, I see. The tabs are far more serious a thing to have here than I had initially thought. While I could see a possible benefit to a gameplay tab, like how the ''League of Legends'' wiki has splits [[w:c:leagueoflegends:Sylas\|Sylas' character bio]] from [[w:c:leagueoflegends:Sylas/LoL\|his stats and abilities]], I agree with you and am unconvinced we should have it after pivoting away from it to a lore perspective.<br><br>As for Aymar's latest statement (thus far) on ''Les Deux Royaumes'', I found it when searching online but it was previously linked here in April 2021 by Nstav13 in the [[Talk:Assassin's Creed – Cycle 1#Canon\|Cycle 1 talk page]]. In response to a fan asking whether the historical parts of the The Ankh of Isis and The Hawk trilogies were canon, he replied, ''"Nope, neither is, but we picked and choose some elements we thought would be nice to reference, like the Aquilus ship name in ACIII ;)"''. As best I can tell, this matches his [https://twitter.com/AymarMtl/status/702509897976516608 2016 reply to Sorrosyss] asking about the comics saying "Not vol 1-6 unfortunately", which The Wikia Editor also wrote about in [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/f/p/3066697112092678941 this thread], and his [https://twitter.com/AymarMtl/status/917911845419339776 2017 reply] to another fan saying ''"Predent [sic] day are not. Past plot are not, some characters will be refered [sic] and used in our lore. So mainly don't rely on them."'' – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 23:55, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		Hmm, I see. The tabs are far more serious a thing to have here than I had initially thought. While I could see a possible benefit to a gameplay tab, like how the ''League of Legends'' wiki has splits [[w:c:leagueoflegends:Sylas\|Sylas' character bio]] from [[w:c:leagueoflegends:Sylas/LoL\|his stats and abilities]], I agree with you and am unconvinced we should have it after pivoting away from it to a lore perspective.<br><br>As for Aymar's latest statement (thus far) on ''Les Deux Royaumes'', I found it when searching online but it was previously linked here in April 2021 by Nstav13 in the [[Talk:Assassin's Creed – Cycle 1#Canon\|Cycle 1 talk page]]. In response to a fan asking whether the historical parts of the The Ankh of Isis and The Hawk trilogies were canon, he replied, ''"Nope, neither is, but we picked and choose some elements we thought would be nice to reference, like the Aquilus ship name in ACIII ;)"''. As best I can tell, this matches his [https://twitter.com/AymarMtl/status/702509897976516608 2016 reply to Sorrosyss] asking about the comics saying "Not vol 1-6 unfortunately", which The Wikia Editor also wrote about in [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/f/p/3066697112092678941 this thread], and his [https://twitter.com/AymarMtl/status/917911845419339776 2017 reply] to another fan saying ''"Predent [sic] day are not. Past plot are not, some characters will be refered [sic] and used in our lore. So mainly don't rely on them."'' – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 23:55, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
			:Given the wonkiness and after the factness of this plus Aquilus isn't just referenced by the ship but actually stated to be an ancestor of Desmond in AC III I think we should keep the ambig canon format for historical comic stuff from that line. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 10:40, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

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	:If we wanted to borrow from Wookieepedia practice, the accounts from these works would simply be told in the Behind the Scenes section, as is still done for non-canonical content within either Legends or Disney "Canon" continuity respectively. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		:If we wanted to borrow from Wookieepedia practice, the accounts from these works would simply be told in the Behind the Scenes section, as is still done for non-canonical content within either Legends or Disney "Canon" continuity respectively. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
	::See "[[w:c:starwars:C-3PO/Legends#Non-canon_appearances\|C-3PO]]" and "[[w:c:starwars:Jango_Fett/Legends#Non-canonical_biographical_information\|Jango Fett]]" for two Legends examples and "[[w:c:starwars:Boba_Fett#Star_Wars:_Visions\|Boba Fett]]" for a Disney Canon example. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:59, 21 April 2023 (UTC)		:See "[[w:c:starwars:C-3PO/Legends#Non-canon_appearances\|C-3PO]]" and "[[w:c:starwars:Jango_Fett/Legends#Non-canonical_biographical_information\|Jango Fett]]" for two Legends examples and "[[w:c:starwars:Boba_Fett#Star_Wars:_Visions\|Boba Fett]]" for a Disney Canon example. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:59, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
			::I remember when the Disney buy-out happened and knew like the Wookieepedians what it meant for their site, though I had not made a wikia account (at the time) then. I just had thought the idea of using their tabs here was not as extreme as you say it is. I do like the idea of using a "Non-canonical biographical information" section, though, even if it will make Shao Jun's page even longer. Perhaps we can do that for her, Zhang Yong, Maijishan Grottoes, Wang Yangming, etc? We already have non-canon appearances listed where applicable.<br><br>Oh, and I've found confirmation from Aymar Azaïzia that ''all'' parts of ''Les Deux Royaumes'' comics are non-canon, not just the modern part. So we can move the historical info to a non-canon or BTS section instead of where they are currently filed under the {AmbCanon Start/End} templates. [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:05, 21 April 2023 (UTC)