Talk:Shanghai Rite of the Templar Order - Revision history

https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AShanghai_Rite_of_the_Templar_Order Talk:Shanghai Rite of the Templar Order - Revision history 2026-06-11T08:32:52Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.42.3 https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Shanghai_Rite_of_the_Templar_Order&diff=599583&oldid=prev imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Name */ 2024-01-01T07:31:29Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Name</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 09:31, 1 January 2024</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l11">Line 11:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 11:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::Then how would you recommend we deal with the Ancients/Templars' influence before Shanghai came to prominence, as you mentioned above? Just...simply say that they moved their base of operations as the dynasties changed? – [[User:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 06:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::Then how would you recommend we deal with the Ancients/Templars' influence before Shanghai came to prominence, as you mentioned above? Just...simply say that they moved their base of operations as the dynasties changed? – [[User:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 06:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::That's not a relevant issue at all. "Shanghai Rite of the Templar Order" is being used as the article title because it is a canonically verified name. The fact that this is the title of the article doesn't necessarily mean that the Templars in China were known by this name through their entire history. That the article for the Colonial/American Rite is at "American Rite of the Templar Order" doesn't mean it was known by the name "American Rite" for all of its history. It's just its most recently known name. In this case, per sourcing policy, we need a canonical source for the name "Chinese Rite" even though we can infer it would probably be in use, or otherwise it would technically be a conjectural name. Naming policy is clear that canonical name supersedes conjectural names. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:29, 1 January 2024 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::That's not a relevant issue at all. "Shanghai Rite of the Templar Order" is being used as the article title because it is a canonically verified name. The fact that this is the title of the article doesn't necessarily mean that the Templars in China were known by this name through their entire history. That the article for the Colonial/American Rite is at "American Rite of the Templar Order" doesn't mean it was known by the name "American Rite" for all of its history. It's just its most recently known name. In this case, per sourcing policy, we need a canonical source for the name "Chinese Rite" even though we can infer it would probably be in use, or otherwise it would technically be a conjectural name. Naming policy is clear that canonical name supersedes conjectural names. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:29, 1 January 2024 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::::Also by the way, of course the Templars were based elsewhere before Shanghai came to prominence. The Chinese Assassins weren't known as the Beijing Brotherhood through all of its history either. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

imported>Sol Pacificus https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Shanghai_Rite_of_the_Templar_Order&diff=599582&oldid=prev imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Name */ 2024-01-01T07:29:18Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Name</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 09:29, 1 January 2024</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l10">Line 10:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 10:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::Until a source expressly gives the name "Chinese Rite", we cannot do this. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:40, 1 January 2024 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::Until a source expressly gives the name "Chinese Rite", we cannot do this. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:40, 1 January 2024 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::Then how would you recommend we deal with the Ancients/Templars' influence before Shanghai came to prominence, as you mentioned above? Just...simply say that they moved their base of operations as the dynasties changed? – [[User:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 06:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::Then how would you recommend we deal with the Ancients/Templars' influence before Shanghai came to prominence, as you mentioned above? Just...simply say that they moved their base of operations as the dynasties changed? – [[User:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 06:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::::That's not a relevant issue at all. "Shanghai Rite of the Templar Order" is being used as the article title because it is a canonically verified name. The fact that this is the title of the article doesn't necessarily mean that the Templars in China were known by this name through their entire history. That the article for the Colonial/American Rite is at "American Rite of the Templar Order" doesn't mean it was known by the name "American Rite" for all of its history. It's just its most recently known name. In this case, per sourcing policy, we need a canonical source for the name "Chinese Rite" even though we can infer it would probably be in use, or otherwise it would technically be a conjectural name. Naming policy is clear that canonical name supersedes conjectural names. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:29, 1 January 2024 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

imported>Sol Pacificus https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Shanghai_Rite_of_the_Templar_Order&diff=599581&oldid=prev imported>Darman36: /* Name */ 2024-01-01T06:35:29Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Name</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 08:35, 1 January 2024</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l7">Line 7:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 7:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::So you're not objecting to me moving the article, then? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 08:13, May 3, 2019 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::So you're not objecting to me moving the article, then? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 08:13, May 3, 2019 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::You can move it. Not sure how best to word the lead though. I'm hesitant to even assume that the Rite is called the Shanghai Rite in the 21st century. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:27, May 4, 2019 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::You can move it. Not sure how best to word the lead though. I'm hesitant to even assume that the Rite is called the Shanghai Rite in the 21st century. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:27, May 4, 2019 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::Reviving this. If you are still unsure whether Shanghai would be the right name for the group in the modern day, could we move it back to the Chinese Rite, especially in light of more recent developments regarding the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Eight </del>Turtles and An Lushan in ''Dynasty''? – [[User:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 21:50, 31 December 2023 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::Reviving this. If you are still unsure whether Shanghai would be the right name for the group in the modern day, could we move it back to the Chinese Rite, especially in light of more recent developments regarding the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Golden </ins>Turtles and An Lushan in ''Dynasty''? – [[User:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 21:50, 31 December 2023 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::Until a source expressly gives the name "Chinese Rite", we cannot do this. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:40, 1 January 2024 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::Until a source expressly gives the name "Chinese Rite", we cannot do this. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:40, 1 January 2024 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::Then how would you recommend we deal with the Ancients/Templars' influence before Shanghai came to prominence, as you mentioned above? Just...simply say that they moved their base of operations as the dynasties changed? – [[User:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 06:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

imported>Darman36 https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Shanghai_Rite_of_the_Templar_Order&diff=599580&oldid=prev imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Name */ 2024-01-01T01:40:24Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Name</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 03:40, 1 January 2024</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l8">Line 8:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 8:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::You can move it. Not sure how best to word the lead though. I'm hesitant to even assume that the Rite is called the Shanghai Rite in the 21st century. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:27, May 4, 2019 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::You can move it. Not sure how best to word the lead though. I'm hesitant to even assume that the Rite is called the Shanghai Rite in the 21st century. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:27, May 4, 2019 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::Reviving this. If you are still unsure whether Shanghai would be the right name for the group in the modern day, could we move it back to the Chinese Rite, especially in light of more recent developments regarding the Eight Turtles and An Lushan in ''Dynasty''? – [[User:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 21:50, 31 December 2023 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::Reviving this. If you are still unsure whether Shanghai would be the right name for the group in the modern day, could we move it back to the Chinese Rite, especially in light of more recent developments regarding the Eight Turtles and An Lushan in ''Dynasty''? – [[User:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 21:50, 31 December 2023 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::Until a source expressly gives the name "Chinese Rite", we cannot do this. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:40, 1 January 2024 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

imported>Sol Pacificus https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Shanghai_Rite_of_the_Templar_Order&diff=599579&oldid=prev imported>Darman36: /*Name*/ Reviving this 2023-12-31T21:50:53Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Name: </span> Reviving this</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 23:50, 31 December 2023</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l7">Line 7:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 7:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::So you're not objecting to me moving the article, then? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 08:13, May 3, 2019 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::So you're not objecting to me moving the article, then? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 08:13, May 3, 2019 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::You can move it. Not sure how best to word the lead though. I'm hesitant to even assume that the Rite is called the Shanghai Rite in the 21st century. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:27, May 4, 2019 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::You can move it. Not sure how best to word the lead though. I'm hesitant to even assume that the Rite is called the Shanghai Rite in the 21st century. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:27, May 4, 2019 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::Reviving this. If you are still unsure whether Shanghai would be the right name for the group in the modern day, could we move it back to the Chinese Rite, especially in light of more recent developments regarding the Eight Turtles and An Lushan in ''Dynasty''? – [[User:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 21:50, 31 December 2023 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

imported>Darman36 https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Shanghai_Rite_of_the_Templar_Order&diff=599578&oldid=prev imported>Jasca Ducato: Jasca Ducato moved page Talk:Chinese Rite of the Templar Order to Talk:Shanghai Rite of the Templar Order: Non-conjectural name 2019-05-06T12:20:34Z

<p>Jasca Ducato moved page <a href="/wiki/Talk:Chinese_Rite_of_the_Templar_Order" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Chinese Rite of the Templar Order">Talk:Chinese Rite of the Templar Order</a> to <a href="/wiki/Talk:Shanghai_Rite_of_the_Templar_Order" title="Talk:Shanghai Rite of the Templar Order">Talk:Shanghai Rite of the Templar Order</a>: Non-conjectural name</p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="1" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="1" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 14:20, 6 May 2019</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-notice" lang="en-GB"><div class="mw-diff-empty">(No difference)</div> </td></tr></table>

imported>Jasca Ducato https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Shanghai_Rite_of_the_Templar_Order&diff=599577&oldid=prev imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Name */ 2019-05-04T07:27:22Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Name</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 09:27, 4 May 2019</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l6">Line 6:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 6:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:With that having been said, I agree that the canonical name should always be used over a conjectural one. I'm not sure why at the time I opted to keep it at "Chinese Rite". I might have chosen to do so because I saw it as the safer option; I might have found it exceedingly difficult to introduce the subject as the Shanghai Rite then somehow explain somewhere that name would almost certainly be anachronistic for any period prior to the time period of ''Black Cross''. Finally, I might have hesitated because I wasn't (and still am not) entirely sure that the name Chinese Rite is conjectural or not. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:42, May 3, 2019 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:With that having been said, I agree that the canonical name should always be used over a conjectural one. I'm not sure why at the time I opted to keep it at "Chinese Rite". I might have chosen to do so because I saw it as the safer option; I might have found it exceedingly difficult to introduce the subject as the Shanghai Rite then somehow explain somewhere that name would almost certainly be anachronistic for any period prior to the time period of ''Black Cross''. Finally, I might have hesitated because I wasn't (and still am not) entirely sure that the name Chinese Rite is conjectural or not. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:42, May 3, 2019 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::So you're not objecting to me moving the article, then? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 08:13, May 3, 2019 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::So you're not objecting to me moving the article, then? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 08:13, May 3, 2019 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::You can move it. Not sure how best to word the lead though. I'm hesitant to even assume that the Rite is called the Shanghai Rite in the 21st century. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:27, May 4, 2019 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

imported>Sol Pacificus https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Shanghai_Rite_of_the_Templar_Order&diff=599576&oldid=prev imported>Jasca Ducato: /* Name */ 2019-05-03T08:13:46Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Name</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 10:13, 3 May 2019</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l3">Line 3:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 3:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I've not read ''[[Assassin's Creed Templars Volume 1: Black Cross]]'', but the article currently states that this particular rite was known as the "Shanghai Rite" during the events of this medium. If that is the case, why is the article entitled with a conjectural name when we have a canon name available to use instead? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 22:34, May 2, 2019 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I've not read ''[[Assassin's Creed Templars Volume 1: Black Cross]]'', but the article currently states that this particular rite was known as the "Shanghai Rite" during the events of this medium. If that is the case, why is the article entitled with a conjectural name when we have a canon name available to use instead? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 22:34, May 2, 2019 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:It appears that I was the one who originally [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/index.php?title=Chinese_Rite_of_the_Templar_Order&diff=703180&oldid=702653 added] the mention of the canonical name along with a note explaining the choice to retain the conjectural name as the title of the article. I have little recollection of this, and I don't think my note, which was subsequently removed by Sima, was specific enough as to the reasoning. Although Shanghai as a settlement under different names seemed to have existed for at least a millennium, it was at most a little known town or village for most of its history. It really does not enter history until the late 19th or early 20th century when its development exploded. Hence, there is reason to presume that it would not have been the name of the Chinese Templars for any period prior to the late 19th century.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:It appears that I was the one who originally [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/index.php?title=Chinese_Rite_of_the_Templar_Order&diff=703180&oldid=702653 added] the mention of the canonical name along with a note explaining the choice to retain the conjectural name as the title of the article. I have little recollection of this, and I don't think my note, which was subsequently removed by Sima, was specific enough as to the reasoning. Although Shanghai as a settlement under different names seemed to have existed for at least a millennium, it was at most a little known town or village for most of its history. It really does not enter history until the late 19th or early 20th century when its development exploded. Hence, there is reason to presume that it would not have been the name of the Chinese Templars for any period prior to the late 19th century.</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:With that having been said, I agree that the canonical name should always be used over a conjectural one. I'm not sure why at the time I opted to keep it at "Chinese Rite". I might have chosen to do so because I saw it as the safer option; I might have found it exceedingly difficult to introduce the subject as the Shanghai Rite then somehow explain somewhere that name would almost certainly be anachronistic for any period prior to the time period of ''Black Cross''. Finally, I might have hesitated because I wasn't (and still am not) entirely sure that the name Chinese Rite is conjectural or not. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:42, May 3, 2019 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:With that having been said, I agree that the canonical name should always be used over a conjectural one. I'm not sure why at the time I opted to keep it at "Chinese Rite". I might have chosen to do so because I saw it as the safer option; I might have found it exceedingly difficult to introduce the subject as the Shanghai Rite then somehow explain somewhere that name would almost certainly be anachronistic for any period prior to the time period of ''Black Cross''. Finally, I might have hesitated because I wasn't (and still am not) entirely sure that the name Chinese Rite is conjectural or not. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:42, May 3, 2019 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::So you're not objecting to me moving the article, then? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 08:13, May 3, 2019 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

imported>Jasca Ducato https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Shanghai_Rite_of_the_Templar_Order&diff=599575&oldid=prev imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Name */ 2019-05-03T00:42:15Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Name</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 02:42, 3 May 2019</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l2">Line 2:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 2:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Name==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Name==</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I've not read ''[[Assassin's Creed Templars Volume 1: Black Cross]]'', but the article currently states that this particular rite was known as the "Shanghai Rite" during the events of this medium. If that is the case, why is the article entitled with a conjectural name when we have a canon name available to use instead? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 22:34, May 2, 2019 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I've not read ''[[Assassin's Creed Templars Volume 1: Black Cross]]'', but the article currently states that this particular rite was known as the "Shanghai Rite" during the events of this medium. If that is the case, why is the article entitled with a conjectural name when we have a canon name available to use instead? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 22:34, May 2, 2019 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:It appears that I was the one who originally [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/index.php?title=Chinese_Rite_of_the_Templar_Order&diff=703180&oldid=702653 added] the mention of the canonical name along with a note explaining the choice to retain the conjectural name as the title of the article. I have little recollection of this, and I don't think my note, which was subsequently removed by Sima, was specific enough as to the reasoning. Although Shanghai as a settlement under different names seemed to have existed for at least a millennium, it was at most a little known town or village for most of its history. It really does not enter history until the late 19th or early 20th century when its development exploded. Hence, there is reason to presume that it would not have been the name of the Chinese Templars for any period prior to the late 19th century.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:With that having been said, I agree that the canonical name should always be used over a conjectural one. I'm not sure why at the time I opted to keep it at "Chinese Rite". I might have chosen to do so because I saw it as the safer option; I might have found it exceedingly difficult to introduce the subject as the Shanghai Rite then somehow explain somewhere that name would almost certainly be anachronistic for any period prior to the time period of ''Black Cross''. Finally, I might have hesitated because I wasn't (and still am not) entirely sure that the name Chinese Rite is conjectural or not. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:42, May 3, 2019 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

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<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 02:12, 3 May 2019</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{Talkheader}}</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Name==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Name==</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I've not read ''[[Assassin's Creed Templars Volume 1: Black Cross]]'', but the article currently states that this particular rite was known as the "Shanghai Rite" during the events of this medium. If that is the case, why is the article entitled with a conjectural name when we have a canon name available to use instead? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 22:34, May 2, 2019 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I've not read ''[[Assassin's Creed Templars Volume 1: Black Cross]]'', but the article currently states that this particular rite was known as the "Shanghai Rite" during the events of this medium. If that is the case, why is the article entitled with a conjectural name when we have a canon name available to use instead? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 22:34, May 2, 2019 (UTC)</div></td></tr> </table>

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