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Soranin: /* Chinese Rope Dart */

2026-05-15T14:26:58Z

Chinese Rope Dart

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	== Chinese Rope Dart ==		== Chinese Rope Dart ==

	As I was reading, It was a Chinese Rope Dart a nod twords Shao Jun(?) from Embers--'''[[User:Kenzen11\|<font color="Lime">Kenzen</font>]] - [[User talk:Kenzen11\|<font color="Black">Talk</font>]] - [[User ~~blog~~:Kenzen11\|<font color="SteelBlue">Blog</font>]]''' 14:55, March 23, 2012 (UTC)		As I was reading, It was a Chinese Rope Dart a nod twords Shao Jun(?) from Embers--'''[[User:Kenzen11\|<font color="Lime">Kenzen</font>]] - [[User talk:Kenzen11\|<font color="Black">Talk</font>]] - [[User:Kenzen11\|<font color="SteelBlue">Blog</font>]]''' 14:55, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

	That's what's written on Game rant, but I don't think the officials confirmed it. If it was a nod to the Chinese, then the question arises, how did it reach America?[[User:IlMualim\|IlMualim]] 16:01, March 23, 2012 (UTC)		That's what's written on Game rant, but I don't think the officials confirmed it. If it was a nod to the Chinese, then the question arises, how did it reach America?[[User:IlMualim\|IlMualim]] 16:01, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Soranin: Text replacement - "Marvel Studios" to "[https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/ Marvel Studios]"

2026-05-10T19:07:18Z

Text replacement - "<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#DC143C">Marvel Studios</span>" to "[https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/ <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#DC143C">Marvel Studios</span>]"

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	Hello, I just noticed in the 'recent history' page it was said the page shouldn't have 'dart' with a capital 'D'. As it is a title the it should be 'Rope Dart' it is only words such as 'and' 'of' and 'the' that in titles are not captilized. [[Special:Contributions/94.0.109.198\|94.0.109.198]] 21:14, June 5, 2012 (UTC)		Hello, I just noticed in the 'recent history' page it was said the page shouldn't have 'dart' with a capital 'D'. As it is a title the it should be 'Rope Dart' it is only words such as 'and' 'of' and 'the' that in titles are not captilized. [[Special:Contributions/94.0.109.198\|94.0.109.198]] 21:14, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

	:The thing is, it's not a title, it's an ordinary word. And You Don't Spell Ordinary Words Like That. :P -- [[User:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Mistral;font-size:22px;color:#000000;">Master Sima Yi</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Goudy Stout;font-size;15px;color:#A9A9A9">Clogs</span>]]</sub> <sup>[[w:~~c:marvel-cinematic-universe\|~~<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#DC143C">Marvel Studios</span>]]</sup> 21:15, June 5, 2012 (UTC)		:The thing is, it's not a title, it's an ordinary word. And You Don't Spell Ordinary Words Like That. :P -- [[User:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Mistral;font-size:22px;color:#000000;">Master Sima Yi</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Goudy Stout;font-size;15px;color:#A9A9A9">Clogs</span>]]</sub> <sup>[https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/ <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#DC143C">Marvel Studios</span>]</sup> 21:15, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

	:::Hello, it is the title of the page is it not? If it isn't what did you plan the title to be? [[Special:Contributions/94.0.109.198\|94.0.109.198]] 21:18, June 5, 2012 (UTC)		:::Hello, it is the title of the page is it not? If it isn't what did you plan the title to be? [[Special:Contributions/94.0.109.198\|94.0.109.198]] 21:18, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
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	:::::Argument? I was just saying that in a title (as in title of a book, or an article) it should be 'Rope Dart' and not 'Rope dart' which is what the title now appears as, but okay, I will say no more of it. :) [[Special:Contributions/94.0.109.198\|94.0.109.198]] 21:27, June 5, 2012 (UTC)		:::::Argument? I was just saying that in a title (as in title of a book, or an article) it should be 'Rope Dart' and not 'Rope dart' which is what the title now appears as, but okay, I will say no more of it. :) [[Special:Contributions/94.0.109.198\|94.0.109.198]] 21:27, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

	:Yes, but the article explicitly refers to a "rope dart" and not a person or object ''named'' "Rope Dart." You can't classify it as a title similar to a book's title or a name; it's just that, a rope dart. {{Wiki\|Arc reactor\|Here}} is another example of grammatically correct capitalization. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Mistral;font-size:22px;color:#000000;">Master Sima Yi</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Goudy Stout;font-size;15px;color:#A9A9A9">Clogs</span>]]</sub> <sup>[[w:~~c:marvel-cinematic-universe\|~~<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#DC143C">Marvel Studios</span>]]</sup> 21:30, June 5, 2012 (UTC)		:Yes, but the article explicitly refers to a "rope dart" and not a person or object ''named'' "Rope Dart." You can't classify it as a title similar to a book's title or a name; it's just that, a rope dart. {{Wiki\|Arc reactor\|Here}} is another example of grammatically correct capitalization. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Mistral;font-size:22px;color:#000000;">Master Sima Yi</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Goudy Stout;font-size;15px;color:#A9A9A9">Clogs</span>]]</sub> <sup>[https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/ <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#DC143C">Marvel Studios</span>]</sup> 21:30, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
	:Complete last comment on the subject I promise. 'Rope Dart' is the the heading of the page... Just like your page on the hidden blade is called 'Hidden Blade'. However, since I have been taught to do this with my titles from my early school days, I will show you this http://www.accu-assist.com/grammar-tips-archive/GrammarTip_capitalization-titles-headings.htm . As Promised no more comments from me on this, either take my advice on how headings work or do not. Take Care :) [[Special:Contributions/94.0.109.198\|94.0.109.198]] 21:37, June 5, 2012 (UTC)		:Complete last comment on the subject I promise. 'Rope Dart' is the the heading of the page... Just like your page on the hidden blade is called 'Hidden Blade'. However, since I have been taught to do this with my titles from my early school days, I will show you this http://www.accu-assist.com/grammar-tips-archive/GrammarTip_capitalization-titles-headings.htm . As Promised no more comments from me on this, either take my advice on how headings work or do not. Take Care :) [[Special:Contributions/94.0.109.198\|94.0.109.198]] 21:37, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

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	::However, the rope dart has only been shown in magazine articles, and its title is not seen from an in-universe perspective, so it remains as "Rope dart" until any definitive evidence can be seen. Also, what also differs the Hidden Blade to the rope dart is that the Hidden Blade is not a real mechanical construct in real life, despite being based on concepts from history, whereas the rope dart is a Chinese martial arts weapon that we can see even today.[[User:Slate Vesper\|Slate Vesper]] 21:47, June 5, 2012 (UTC)		::However, the rope dart has only been shown in magazine articles, and its title is not seen from an in-universe perspective, so it remains as "Rope dart" until any definitive evidence can be seen. Also, what also differs the Hidden Blade to the rope dart is that the Hidden Blade is not a real mechanical construct in real life, despite being based on concepts from history, whereas the rope dart is a Chinese martial arts weapon that we can see even today.[[User:Slate Vesper\|Slate Vesper]] 21:47, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

	:There is no "way" on how headings work. I'm well aware of capitalization being the most common, but we all chose long ago not to follow that pattern. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Mistral;font-size:22px;color:#000000;">Master Sima Yi</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Goudy Stout;font-size;15px;color:#A9A9A9">Clogs</span>]]</sub> <sup>[[w:~~c:marvel-cinematic-universe\|~~<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#DC143C">Marvel Studios</span>]]</sup> 21:49, June 5, 2012 (UTC)		:There is no "way" on how headings work. I'm well aware of capitalization being the most common, but we all chose long ago not to follow that pattern. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Mistral;font-size:22px;color:#000000;">Master Sima Yi</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Goudy Stout;font-size;15px;color:#A9A9A9">Clogs</span>]]</sub> <sup>[https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/ <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#DC143C">Marvel Studios</span>]</sup> 21:49, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

	==Aquiring the Rope dart...==		==Aquiring the Rope dart...==

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Valhalla */

2020-12-22T04:49:15Z

Valhalla

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	::::::::Also to clarify, I'm not suggesting that our edits to the article should be motivated by anxieties over how our audience might misconstrue the content. It is a small article anyways, and this would never stir up any controversy. But I meant that there's no actual relevance of the fish harpoon to the rope dart from an IU-perspective, and I was refuting the argument of how there is and why the idea that they are without distinction is erroneous. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:42, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		::::::::Also to clarify, I'm not suggesting that our edits to the article should be motivated by anxieties over how our audience might misconstrue the content. It is a small article anyways, and this would never stir up any controversy. But I meant that there's no actual relevance of the fish harpoon to the rope dart from an IU-perspective, and I was refuting the argument of how there is and why the idea that they are without distinction is erroneous. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:42, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	:::::::::If added to the body I’d just have it be: "In the late 9th century Eivor used her fishing harpoon as a rope-dart in combat." I think our disconnect is that I don't equate Rope-dart 1:1 with the Sheng-biao. To me Rope-dart is like "knife" and sheng-biao is like "seax". Rectangles and squares to an extent. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 23:00, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		:::::::::If added to the body I’d just have it be: "In the late 9th century Eivor used her fishing harpoon as a rope-dart in combat." I think our disconnect is that I don't equate Rope-dart 1:1 with the Sheng-biao. To me Rope-dart is like "knife" and sheng-biao is like "seax". Rectangles and squares to an extent. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 23:00, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
			:Hm, I see, that sentence might be acceptable, though I wonder if it's necessary to add. Can you provide me a spoiler-free clip of her using the fish harpoon? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:49, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
	I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: Damn had it right the first time

2020-12-21T23:02:09Z

Damn had it right the first time

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	:::::::Eh, I feel like even some Chinese Americans who aren't Chinese nationalists would take this comment sensitively. Because it's kind of like saying "dude a rope dart is literally nothing more than a dart at the end of a rope, look these Vikings can literally make the exact same [poop]". I don't think you mean it like that, but it's just that in my experience with Asian American communities and their sensibilities, they can take it as racial, and that's something I was trying to avoid saying. Those characters never fully use that martial arts, but that doesn't change the fact that a rope dart is a culturally distinct weapon in and of itself with no evolutionary links with the fish harpoon and not just a mere tool, and to treat it as identical or more or less the same thing as a European tool used as a substitute seems improper to me (unless, again, lore-wise Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fish harpoon in this fashion). However, this doesn't change the fact that the developers had intended it to be an analogue for the rope dart ''gameplay-wise'', so I agree it definitely merits a mention in the BtS. If this were Wikipedia or Wookieepedia, I would also say that the fish harpoon could be listed in the "See also" section for functional similarities, but we don't have "See also" sections. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		:::::::Eh, I feel like even some Chinese Americans who aren't Chinese nationalists would take this comment sensitively. Because it's kind of like saying "dude a rope dart is literally nothing more than a dart at the end of a rope, look these Vikings can literally make the exact same [poop]". I don't think you mean it like that, but it's just that in my experience with Asian American communities and their sensibilities, they can take it as racial, and that's something I was trying to avoid saying. Those characters never fully use that martial arts, but that doesn't change the fact that a rope dart is a culturally distinct weapon in and of itself with no evolutionary links with the fish harpoon and not just a mere tool, and to treat it as identical or more or less the same thing as a European tool used as a substitute seems improper to me (unless, again, lore-wise Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fish harpoon in this fashion). However, this doesn't change the fact that the developers had intended it to be an analogue for the rope dart ''gameplay-wise'', so I agree it definitely merits a mention in the BtS. If this were Wikipedia or Wookieepedia, I would also say that the fish harpoon could be listed in the "See also" section for functional similarities, but we don't have "See also" sections. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	::::::::Also to clarify, I'm not suggesting that our edits to the article should be motivated by anxieties over how our audience might misconstrue the content. It is a small article anyways, and this would never stir up any controversy. But I meant that there's no actual relevance of the fish harpoon to the rope dart from an IU-perspective, and I was refuting the argument of how there is and why the idea that they are without distinction is erroneous. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:42, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		::::::::Also to clarify, I'm not suggesting that our edits to the article should be motivated by anxieties over how our audience might misconstrue the content. It is a small article anyways, and this would never stir up any controversy. But I meant that there's no actual relevance of the fish harpoon to the rope dart from an IU-perspective, and I was refuting the argument of how there is and why the idea that they are without distinction is erroneous. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:42, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	:::::::::If added to the body I’d just have it be: "In the late 9th century Eivor used her fishing harpoon as a rope-dart in combat." I think our disconnect is that I don't equate Rope-dart 1:1 with the Sheng-~~baio~~. To me Rope-dart is like "knife" and sheng-~~baio~~ is like "seax". Rectangles and squares to an extent. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 23:00, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		:::::::::If added to the body I’d just have it be: "In the late 9th century Eivor used her fishing harpoon as a rope-dart in combat." I think our disconnect is that I don't equate Rope-dart 1:1 with the Sheng-biao. To me Rope-dart is like "knife" and sheng-biao is like "seax". Rectangles and squares to an extent. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 23:00, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Valhalla */

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	:::::::Eh, I feel like even some Chinese Americans who aren't Chinese nationalists would take this comment sensitively. Because it's kind of like saying "dude a rope dart is literally nothing more than a dart at the end of a rope, look these Vikings can literally make the exact same [poop]". I don't think you mean it like that, but it's just that in my experience with Asian American communities and their sensibilities, they can take it as racial, and that's something I was trying to avoid saying. Those characters never fully use that martial arts, but that doesn't change the fact that a rope dart is a culturally distinct weapon in and of itself with no evolutionary links with the fish harpoon and not just a mere tool, and to treat it as identical or more or less the same thing as a European tool used as a substitute seems improper to me (unless, again, lore-wise Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fish harpoon in this fashion). However, this doesn't change the fact that the developers had intended it to be an analogue for the rope dart ''gameplay-wise'', so I agree it definitely merits a mention in the BtS. If this were Wikipedia or Wookieepedia, I would also say that the fish harpoon could be listed in the "See also" section for functional similarities, but we don't have "See also" sections. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		:::::::Eh, I feel like even some Chinese Americans who aren't Chinese nationalists would take this comment sensitively. Because it's kind of like saying "dude a rope dart is literally nothing more than a dart at the end of a rope, look these Vikings can literally make the exact same [poop]". I don't think you mean it like that, but it's just that in my experience with Asian American communities and their sensibilities, they can take it as racial, and that's something I was trying to avoid saying. Those characters never fully use that martial arts, but that doesn't change the fact that a rope dart is a culturally distinct weapon in and of itself with no evolutionary links with the fish harpoon and not just a mere tool, and to treat it as identical or more or less the same thing as a European tool used as a substitute seems improper to me (unless, again, lore-wise Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fish harpoon in this fashion). However, this doesn't change the fact that the developers had intended it to be an analogue for the rope dart ''gameplay-wise'', so I agree it definitely merits a mention in the BtS. If this were Wikipedia or Wookieepedia, I would also say that the fish harpoon could be listed in the "See also" section for functional similarities, but we don't have "See also" sections. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	::::::::Also to clarify, I'm not suggesting that our edits to the article should be motivated by anxieties over how our audience might misconstrue the content. It is a small article anyways, and this would never stir up any controversy. But I meant that there's no actual relevance of the fish harpoon to the rope dart from an IU-perspective, and I was refuting the argument of how there is and why the idea that they are without distinction is erroneous. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:42, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		::::::::Also to clarify, I'm not suggesting that our edits to the article should be motivated by anxieties over how our audience might misconstrue the content. It is a small article anyways, and this would never stir up any controversy. But I meant that there's no actual relevance of the fish harpoon to the rope dart from an IU-perspective, and I was refuting the argument of how there is and why the idea that they are without distinction is erroneous. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:42, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
			:::::::::If added to the body I’d just have it be: "In the late 9th century Eivor used her fishing harpoon as a rope-dart in combat." I think our disconnect is that I don't equate Rope-dart 1:1 with the Sheng-baio. To me Rope-dart is like "knife" and sheng-baio is like "seax". Rectangles and squares to an extent. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 23:00, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Valhalla */

2020-12-21T21:42:31Z

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	::::::You mean the "established martial arts style" that Connor, Edward, Shay, etc. never use but instead use the weapon the exact same way Eivor uses the harpoon? I really fail to see the distinction. 05:04, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		::::::You mean the "established martial arts style" that Connor, Edward, Shay, etc. never use but instead use the weapon the exact same way Eivor uses the harpoon? I really fail to see the distinction. 05:04, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	:::::::Eh, I feel like even some Chinese Americans who aren't Chinese nationalists would take this comment sensitively. Because it's kind of like saying "dude a rope dart is literally nothing more than a dart at the end of a rope, look these Vikings can literally make the exact same [poop]". I don't think you mean it like that, but it's just that in my experience with Asian American communities and their sensibilities, they can take it as racial, and that's something I was trying to avoid saying. Those characters never fully use that martial arts, but that doesn't change the fact that a rope dart is a culturally distinct weapon in and of itself with no evolutionary links with the fish harpoon and not just a mere tool, and to treat it as identical or more or less the same thing as a European tool used as a substitute seems improper to me (unless, again, lore-wise Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fish harpoon in this fashion). However, this doesn't change the fact that the developers had intended it to be an analogue for the rope dart ''gameplay-wise'', so I agree it definitely merits a mention in the BtS. If this were Wikipedia or Wookieepedia, I would also say that the fish harpoon could be listed in the "See also" section for functional similarities, but we don't have "See also" sections. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		:::::::Eh, I feel like even some Chinese Americans who aren't Chinese nationalists would take this comment sensitively. Because it's kind of like saying "dude a rope dart is literally nothing more than a dart at the end of a rope, look these Vikings can literally make the exact same [poop]". I don't think you mean it like that, but it's just that in my experience with Asian American communities and their sensibilities, they can take it as racial, and that's something I was trying to avoid saying. Those characters never fully use that martial arts, but that doesn't change the fact that a rope dart is a culturally distinct weapon in and of itself with no evolutionary links with the fish harpoon and not just a mere tool, and to treat it as identical or more or less the same thing as a European tool used as a substitute seems improper to me (unless, again, lore-wise Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fish harpoon in this fashion). However, this doesn't change the fact that the developers had intended it to be an analogue for the rope dart ''gameplay-wise'', so I agree it definitely merits a mention in the BtS. If this were Wikipedia or Wookieepedia, I would also say that the fish harpoon could be listed in the "See also" section for functional similarities, but we don't have "See also" sections. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
			::::::::Also to clarify, I'm not suggesting that our edits to the article should be motivated by anxieties over how our audience might misconstrue the content. It is a small article anyways, and this would never stir up any controversy. But I meant that there's no actual relevance of the fish harpoon to the rope dart from an IU-perspective, and I was refuting the argument of how there is and why the idea that they are without distinction is erroneous. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:42, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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	:::::I know, but it's a completely different weapon realistically-speaking. It won't be appropriate to me to randomly mention a harpoon attached to a rope and basically be like 'btw the Vikings have their own version of a rope dart'. The rope dart is a specific, unique weapon with its own established martial arts style as simple as its construction may seem and not just a dart attached to the end of a rope used as a grappling hook or to reel people in. There's really no relation between them unless Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fishing harpoon as she does. (Conversely, since the grappling hook is a general purpose tool, it would be fine to mention the rope dart and fishing harpoon being like or in place of a grappling hook). If the fishing harpoon is meant to be a rope dart adapted to ''Valhalla''{{'}}s setting from a gameplay standpoint, it definitely warrants a mention in the BtS though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:46, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		:::::I know, but it's a completely different weapon realistically-speaking. It won't be appropriate to me to randomly mention a harpoon attached to a rope and basically be like 'btw the Vikings have their own version of a rope dart'. The rope dart is a specific, unique weapon with its own established martial arts style as simple as its construction may seem and not just a dart attached to the end of a rope used as a grappling hook or to reel people in. There's really no relation between them unless Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fishing harpoon as she does. (Conversely, since the grappling hook is a general purpose tool, it would be fine to mention the rope dart and fishing harpoon being like or in place of a grappling hook). If the fishing harpoon is meant to be a rope dart adapted to ''Valhalla''{{'}}s setting from a gameplay standpoint, it definitely warrants a mention in the BtS though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:46, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	::::::You mean the "established martial arts style" that Connor, Edward, Shay, etc. never use but instead use the weapon the exact same way Eivor uses the harpoon? I really fail to see the distinction. 05:04, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		::::::You mean the "established martial arts style" that Connor, Edward, Shay, etc. never use but instead use the weapon the exact same way Eivor uses the harpoon? I really fail to see the distinction. 05:04, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	:::::::Eh, I feel like even some Chinese Americans who aren't Chinese nationalists would take this comment sensitively. Because it's kind of like saying "dude a rope dart is literally nothing more than a dart at the end of a rope, look these Vikings can literally make the exact same [poop]". I don't think you mean it like that, but it's just that in my experience with Asian American communities and their sensibilities, they can take it as racial, and that's something I was trying to avoid saying. Those characters never fully use that martial arts, but that doesn't change the fact that a rope dart is a culturally distinct weapon in and of itself with no evolutionary links with the fish harpoon and not just a mere tool, and to treat it as identical or more or less the same thing as a European tool used as a substitute seems improper to ~~me—unless~~, again, lore-wise Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fish harpoon in this fashion. However, this doesn't change the fact that the developers had intended it to be an analogue for the rope dart ''gameplay-wise'', so I agree it definitely merits a mention in the BtS. If this were Wikipedia or Wookieepedia, I would also say that the fish harpoon could be listed in the "See also" section for functional similarities, but we don't have "See also" sections. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		:::::::Eh, I feel like even some Chinese Americans who aren't Chinese nationalists would take this comment sensitively. Because it's kind of like saying "dude a rope dart is literally nothing more than a dart at the end of a rope, look these Vikings can literally make the exact same [poop]". I don't think you mean it like that, but it's just that in my experience with Asian American communities and their sensibilities, they can take it as racial, and that's something I was trying to avoid saying. Those characters never fully use that martial arts, but that doesn't change the fact that a rope dart is a culturally distinct weapon in and of itself with no evolutionary links with the fish harpoon and not just a mere tool, and to treat it as identical or more or less the same thing as a European tool used as a substitute seems improper to me (unless, again, lore-wise Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fish harpoon in this fashion). However, this doesn't change the fact that the developers had intended it to be an analogue for the rope dart ''gameplay-wise'', so I agree it definitely merits a mention in the BtS. If this were Wikipedia or Wookieepedia, I would also say that the fish harpoon could be listed in the "See also" section for functional similarities, but we don't have "See also" sections. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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	:::::I know, but it's a completely different weapon realistically-speaking. It won't be appropriate to me to randomly mention a harpoon attached to a rope and basically be like 'btw the Vikings have their own version of a rope dart'. The rope dart is a specific, unique weapon with its own established martial arts style as simple as its construction may seem and not just a dart attached to the end of a rope used as a grappling hook or to reel people in. There's really no relation between them unless Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fishing harpoon as she does. (Conversely, since the grappling hook is a general purpose tool, it would be fine to mention the rope dart and fishing harpoon being like or in place of a grappling hook). If the fishing harpoon is meant to be a rope dart adapted to ''Valhalla''{{'}}s setting from a gameplay standpoint, it definitely warrants a mention in the BtS though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:46, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		:::::I know, but it's a completely different weapon realistically-speaking. It won't be appropriate to me to randomly mention a harpoon attached to a rope and basically be like 'btw the Vikings have their own version of a rope dart'. The rope dart is a specific, unique weapon with its own established martial arts style as simple as its construction may seem and not just a dart attached to the end of a rope used as a grappling hook or to reel people in. There's really no relation between them unless Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fishing harpoon as she does. (Conversely, since the grappling hook is a general purpose tool, it would be fine to mention the rope dart and fishing harpoon being like or in place of a grappling hook). If the fishing harpoon is meant to be a rope dart adapted to ''Valhalla''{{'}}s setting from a gameplay standpoint, it definitely warrants a mention in the BtS though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:46, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	::::::You mean the "established martial arts style" that Connor, Edward, Shay, etc. never use but instead use the weapon the exact same way Eivor uses the harpoon? I really fail to see the distinction. 05:04, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		::::::You mean the "established martial arts style" that Connor, Edward, Shay, etc. never use but instead use the weapon the exact same way Eivor uses the harpoon? I really fail to see the distinction. 05:04, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	:::::::Eh, I feel like even some Chinese Americans who aren't Chinese nationalists would take this comment sensitively. Because it's kind of like saying "dude a rope dart is literally nothing more than a dart at the end of a rope, look these Vikings can literally make the exact same [poop]". I don't think you mean it like that, but it's just that in my experience with Asian American communities and their sensibilities, they can take it as racial, and that's something I was trying to avoid saying. Those characters never fully use that martial arts, but that doesn't change the fact that a rope dart is a culturally distinct weapon in and of itself with no evolutionary links with the fish harpoon and not just a mere tool, and to treat it as identical or more or less the same thing as a European tool used as a substitute seems improper to me. However, this doesn't change the fact that the developers had intended it to be an analogue for the rope dart ''gameplay-wise'', so I agree it definitely merits a mention in the BtS. If this were Wikipedia or Wookieepedia, I would also say that the fish harpoon could be listed in the "See also" section for functional similarities, but we don't have "See also" sections. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		:::::::Eh, I feel like even some Chinese Americans who aren't Chinese nationalists would take this comment sensitively. Because it's kind of like saying "dude a rope dart is literally nothing more than a dart at the end of a rope, look these Vikings can literally make the exact same [poop]". I don't think you mean it like that, but it's just that in my experience with Asian American communities and their sensibilities, they can take it as racial, and that's something I was trying to avoid saying. Those characters never fully use that martial arts, but that doesn't change the fact that a rope dart is a culturally distinct weapon in and of itself with no evolutionary links with the fish harpoon and not just a mere tool, and to treat it as identical or more or less the same thing as a European tool used as a substitute seems improper to me—unless, again, lore-wise Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fish harpoon in this fashion. However, this doesn't change the fact that the developers had intended it to be an analogue for the rope dart ''gameplay-wise'', so I agree it definitely merits a mention in the BtS. If this were Wikipedia or Wookieepedia, I would also say that the fish harpoon could be listed in the "See also" section for functional similarities, but we don't have "See also" sections. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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	:::::I know, but it's a completely different weapon realistically-speaking. It won't be appropriate to me to randomly mention a harpoon attached to a rope and basically be like 'btw the Vikings have their own version of a rope dart'. The rope dart is a specific, unique weapon with its own established martial arts style as simple as its construction may seem and not just a dart attached to the end of a rope used as a grappling hook or to reel people in. There's really no relation between them unless Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fishing harpoon as she does. (Conversely, since the grappling hook is a general purpose tool, it would be fine to mention the rope dart and fishing harpoon being like or in place of a grappling hook). If the fishing harpoon is meant to be a rope dart adapted to ''Valhalla''{{'}}s setting from a gameplay standpoint, it definitely warrants a mention in the BtS though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:46, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		:::::I know, but it's a completely different weapon realistically-speaking. It won't be appropriate to me to randomly mention a harpoon attached to a rope and basically be like 'btw the Vikings have their own version of a rope dart'. The rope dart is a specific, unique weapon with its own established martial arts style as simple as its construction may seem and not just a dart attached to the end of a rope used as a grappling hook or to reel people in. There's really no relation between them unless Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fishing harpoon as she does. (Conversely, since the grappling hook is a general purpose tool, it would be fine to mention the rope dart and fishing harpoon being like or in place of a grappling hook). If the fishing harpoon is meant to be a rope dart adapted to ''Valhalla''{{'}}s setting from a gameplay standpoint, it definitely warrants a mention in the BtS though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:46, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	::::::You mean the "established martial arts style" that Connor, Edward, Shay, etc. never use but instead use the weapon the exact same way Eivor uses the harpoon? I really fail to see the distinction. 05:04, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		::::::You mean the "established martial arts style" that Connor, Edward, Shay, etc. never use but instead use the weapon the exact same way Eivor uses the harpoon? I really fail to see the distinction. 05:04, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	:::::::Eh, I feel like even some Chinese Americans who aren't Chinese nationalists would take this comment sensitively. Because it's kind of like saying "dude a rope dart is literally nothing more than a dart at the end of a rope, look these Vikings can literally make the exact same [poop]". I don't think you mean it like that, but it's just that in my experience with Asian American communities and their sensibilities, they can take it as racial, and that's something I was trying to avoid saying. Those characters never fully use that martial arts, but that doesn't change the fact that a rope dart is a culturally distinct weapon in and of itself with no evolutionary links with the fish harpoon, and to treat it as identical or more or less the same thing as a European tool used as a substitute seems improper to me. However, this doesn't change the fact that the developers had intended it to be an analogue for the rope dart ''gameplay-wise'', so I agree it definitely merits a mention in the BtS. If this were Wikipedia or Wookieepedia, I would also say that the fish harpoon could be listed in the "See also" section for functional similarities, but we don't have "See also" sections. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		:::::::Eh, I feel like even some Chinese Americans who aren't Chinese nationalists would take this comment sensitively. Because it's kind of like saying "dude a rope dart is literally nothing more than a dart at the end of a rope, look these Vikings can literally make the exact same [poop]". I don't think you mean it like that, but it's just that in my experience with Asian American communities and their sensibilities, they can take it as racial, and that's something I was trying to avoid saying. Those characters never fully use that martial arts, but that doesn't change the fact that a rope dart is a culturally distinct weapon in and of itself with no evolutionary links with the fish harpoon and not just a mere tool, and to treat it as identical or more or less the same thing as a European tool used as a substitute seems improper to me. However, this doesn't change the fact that the developers had intended it to be an analogue for the rope dart ''gameplay-wise'', so I agree it definitely merits a mention in the BtS. If this were Wikipedia or Wookieepedia, I would also say that the fish harpoon could be listed in the "See also" section for functional similarities, but we don't have "See also" sections. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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2020-12-21T21:27:06Z

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	:::::I know, but it's a completely different weapon realistically-speaking. It won't be appropriate to me to randomly mention a harpoon attached to a rope and basically be like 'btw the Vikings have their own version of a rope dart'. The rope dart is a specific, unique weapon with its own established martial arts style as simple as its construction may seem and not just a dart attached to the end of a rope used as a grappling hook or to reel people in. There's really no relation between them unless Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fishing harpoon as she does. (Conversely, since the grappling hook is a general purpose tool, it would be fine to mention the rope dart and fishing harpoon being like or in place of a grappling hook). If the fishing harpoon is meant to be a rope dart adapted to ''Valhalla''{{'}}s setting from a gameplay standpoint, it definitely warrants a mention in the BtS though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:46, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		:::::I know, but it's a completely different weapon realistically-speaking. It won't be appropriate to me to randomly mention a harpoon attached to a rope and basically be like 'btw the Vikings have their own version of a rope dart'. The rope dart is a specific, unique weapon with its own established martial arts style as simple as its construction may seem and not just a dart attached to the end of a rope used as a grappling hook or to reel people in. There's really no relation between them unless Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fishing harpoon as she does. (Conversely, since the grappling hook is a general purpose tool, it would be fine to mention the rope dart and fishing harpoon being like or in place of a grappling hook). If the fishing harpoon is meant to be a rope dart adapted to ''Valhalla''{{'}}s setting from a gameplay standpoint, it definitely warrants a mention in the BtS though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:46, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	::::::You mean the "established martial arts style" that Connor, Edward, Shay, etc. never use but instead use the weapon the exact same way Eivor uses the harpoon? I really fail to see the distinction. 05:04, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		::::::You mean the "established martial arts style" that Connor, Edward, Shay, etc. never use but instead use the weapon the exact same way Eivor uses the harpoon? I really fail to see the distinction. 05:04, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
			:::::::Eh, I feel like even some Chinese Americans who aren't Chinese nationalists would take this comment sensitively. Because it's kind of like saying "dude a rope dart is literally nothing more than a dart at the end of a rope, look these Vikings can literally make the exact same [poop]". I don't think you mean it like that, but it's just that in my experience with Asian American communities and their sensibilities, they can take it as racial, and that's something I was trying to avoid saying. Those characters never fully use that martial arts, but that doesn't change the fact that a rope dart is a culturally distinct weapon in and of itself with no evolutionary links with the fish harpoon, and to treat it as identical or more or less the same thing as a European tool used as a substitute seems improper to me. However, this doesn't change the fact that the developers had intended it to be an analogue for the rope dart ''gameplay-wise'', so I agree it definitely merits a mention in the BtS. If this were Wikipedia or Wookieepedia, I would also say that the fish harpoon could be listed in the "See also" section for functional similarities, but we don't have "See also" sections. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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	Hello, I just noticed in the 'recent history' page it was said the page shouldn't have 'dart' with a capital 'D'. As it is a title the it should be 'Rope Dart' it is only words such as 'and' 'of' and 'the' that in titles are not captilized. [[Special:Contributions/94.0.109.198\|94.0.109.198]] 21:14, June 5, 2012 (UTC)		Hello, I just noticed in the 'recent history' page it was said the page shouldn't have 'dart' with a capital 'D'. As it is a title the it should be 'Rope Dart' it is only words such as 'and' 'of' and 'the' that in titles are not captilized. [[Special:Contributions/94.0.109.198\|94.0.109.198]] 21:14, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

	:The thing is, it's not a title, it's an ordinary word. And You Don't Spell Ordinary Words Like That. :P -- [[User:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Mistral;font-size:22px;color:#000000;">Master Sima Yi</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Goudy Stout;font-size;15px;color:#A9A9A9">Clogs</span>]]</sub> <sup>[[w:~~c:marvel-cinematic-universe\|~~<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#DC143C">Marvel Studios</span>]]</sup> 21:15, June 5, 2012 (UTC)		:The thing is, it's not a title, it's an ordinary word. And You Don't Spell Ordinary Words Like That. :P -- [[User:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Mistral;font-size:22px;color:#000000;">Master Sima Yi</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Goudy Stout;font-size;15px;color:#A9A9A9">Clogs</span>]]</sub> <sup>[https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/ <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#DC143C">Marvel Studios</span>]</sup> 21:15, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

	:::Hello, it is the title of the page is it not? If it isn't what did you plan the title to be? [[Special:Contributions/94.0.109.198\|94.0.109.198]] 21:18, June 5, 2012 (UTC)		:::Hello, it is the title of the page is it not? If it isn't what did you plan the title to be? [[Special:Contributions/94.0.109.198\|94.0.109.198]] 21:18, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
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	:::::Argument? I was just saying that in a title (as in title of a book, or an article) it should be 'Rope Dart' and not 'Rope dart' which is what the title now appears as, but okay, I will say no more of it. :) [[Special:Contributions/94.0.109.198\|94.0.109.198]] 21:27, June 5, 2012 (UTC)		:::::Argument? I was just saying that in a title (as in title of a book, or an article) it should be 'Rope Dart' and not 'Rope dart' which is what the title now appears as, but okay, I will say no more of it. :) [[Special:Contributions/94.0.109.198\|94.0.109.198]] 21:27, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

	:Yes, but the article explicitly refers to a "rope dart" and not a person or object ''named'' "Rope Dart." You can't classify it as a title similar to a book's title or a name; it's just that, a rope dart. {{Wiki\|Arc reactor\|Here}} is another example of grammatically correct capitalization. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Mistral;font-size:22px;color:#000000;">Master Sima Yi</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Goudy Stout;font-size;15px;color:#A9A9A9">Clogs</span>]]</sub> <sup>[[w:~~c:marvel-cinematic-universe\|~~<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#DC143C">Marvel Studios</span>]]</sup> 21:30, June 5, 2012 (UTC)		:Yes, but the article explicitly refers to a "rope dart" and not a person or object ''named'' "Rope Dart." You can't classify it as a title similar to a book's title or a name; it's just that, a rope dart. {{Wiki\|Arc reactor\|Here}} is another example of grammatically correct capitalization. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Mistral;font-size:22px;color:#000000;">Master Sima Yi</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Goudy Stout;font-size;15px;color:#A9A9A9">Clogs</span>]]</sub> <sup>[https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/ <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#DC143C">Marvel Studios</span>]</sup> 21:30, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
	:Complete last comment on the subject I promise. 'Rope Dart' is the the heading of the page... Just like your page on the hidden blade is called 'Hidden Blade'. However, since I have been taught to do this with my titles from my early school days, I will show you this http://www.accu-assist.com/grammar-tips-archive/GrammarTip_capitalization-titles-headings.htm . As Promised no more comments from me on this, either take my advice on how headings work or do not. Take Care :) [[Special:Contributions/94.0.109.198\|94.0.109.198]] 21:37, June 5, 2012 (UTC)		:Complete last comment on the subject I promise. 'Rope Dart' is the the heading of the page... Just like your page on the hidden blade is called 'Hidden Blade'. However, since I have been taught to do this with my titles from my early school days, I will show you this http://www.accu-assist.com/grammar-tips-archive/GrammarTip_capitalization-titles-headings.htm . As Promised no more comments from me on this, either take my advice on how headings work or do not. Take Care :) [[Special:Contributions/94.0.109.198\|94.0.109.198]] 21:37, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

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	::However, the rope dart has only been shown in magazine articles, and its title is not seen from an in-universe perspective, so it remains as "Rope dart" until any definitive evidence can be seen. Also, what also differs the Hidden Blade to the rope dart is that the Hidden Blade is not a real mechanical construct in real life, despite being based on concepts from history, whereas the rope dart is a Chinese martial arts weapon that we can see even today.[[User:Slate Vesper\|Slate Vesper]] 21:47, June 5, 2012 (UTC)		::However, the rope dart has only been shown in magazine articles, and its title is not seen from an in-universe perspective, so it remains as "Rope dart" until any definitive evidence can be seen. Also, what also differs the Hidden Blade to the rope dart is that the Hidden Blade is not a real mechanical construct in real life, despite being based on concepts from history, whereas the rope dart is a Chinese martial arts weapon that we can see even today.[[User:Slate Vesper\|Slate Vesper]] 21:47, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

	:There is no "way" on how headings work. I'm well aware of capitalization being the most common, but we all chose long ago not to follow that pattern. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Mistral;font-size:22px;color:#000000;">Master Sima Yi</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Goudy Stout;font-size;15px;color:#A9A9A9">Clogs</span>]]</sub> <sup>[[w:~~c:marvel-cinematic-universe\|~~<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#DC143C">Marvel Studios</span>]]</sup> 21:49, June 5, 2012 (UTC)		:There is no "way" on how headings work. I'm well aware of capitalization being the most common, but we all chose long ago not to follow that pattern. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Mistral;font-size:22px;color:#000000;">Master Sima Yi</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Master Sima Yi\|<span style="font-family:Goudy Stout;font-size;15px;color:#A9A9A9">Clogs</span>]]</sub> <sup>[https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/ <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#DC143C">Marvel Studios</span>]</sup> 21:49, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

	==Aquiring the Rope dart...==		==Aquiring the Rope dart...==

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	::::::::Also to clarify, I'm not suggesting that our edits to the article should be motivated by anxieties over how our audience might misconstrue the content. It is a small article anyways, and this would never stir up any controversy. But I meant that there's no actual relevance of the fish harpoon to the rope dart from an IU-perspective, and I was refuting the argument of how there is and why the idea that they are without distinction is erroneous. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:42, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		::::::::Also to clarify, I'm not suggesting that our edits to the article should be motivated by anxieties over how our audience might misconstrue the content. It is a small article anyways, and this would never stir up any controversy. But I meant that there's no actual relevance of the fish harpoon to the rope dart from an IU-perspective, and I was refuting the argument of how there is and why the idea that they are without distinction is erroneous. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:42, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	:::::::::If added to the body I’d just have it be: "In the late 9th century Eivor used her fishing harpoon as a rope-dart in combat." I think our disconnect is that I don't equate Rope-dart 1:1 with the Sheng-biao. To me Rope-dart is like "knife" and sheng-biao is like "seax". Rectangles and squares to an extent. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 23:00, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		:::::::::If added to the body I’d just have it be: "In the late 9th century Eivor used her fishing harpoon as a rope-dart in combat." I think our disconnect is that I don't equate Rope-dart 1:1 with the Sheng-biao. To me Rope-dart is like "knife" and sheng-biao is like "seax". Rectangles and squares to an extent. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 23:00, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
			:Hm, I see, that sentence might be acceptable, though I wonder if it's necessary to add. Can you provide me a spoiler-free clip of her using the fish harpoon? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 04:49, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
	I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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	:::::::Eh, I feel like even some Chinese Americans who aren't Chinese nationalists would take this comment sensitively. Because it's kind of like saying "dude a rope dart is literally nothing more than a dart at the end of a rope, look these Vikings can literally make the exact same [poop]". I don't think you mean it like that, but it's just that in my experience with Asian American communities and their sensibilities, they can take it as racial, and that's something I was trying to avoid saying. Those characters never fully use that martial arts, but that doesn't change the fact that a rope dart is a culturally distinct weapon in and of itself with no evolutionary links with the fish harpoon and not just a mere tool, and to treat it as identical or more or less the same thing as a European tool used as a substitute seems improper to me (unless, again, lore-wise Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fish harpoon in this fashion). However, this doesn't change the fact that the developers had intended it to be an analogue for the rope dart ''gameplay-wise'', so I agree it definitely merits a mention in the BtS. If this were Wikipedia or Wookieepedia, I would also say that the fish harpoon could be listed in the "See also" section for functional similarities, but we don't have "See also" sections. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		:::::::Eh, I feel like even some Chinese Americans who aren't Chinese nationalists would take this comment sensitively. Because it's kind of like saying "dude a rope dart is literally nothing more than a dart at the end of a rope, look these Vikings can literally make the exact same [poop]". I don't think you mean it like that, but it's just that in my experience with Asian American communities and their sensibilities, they can take it as racial, and that's something I was trying to avoid saying. Those characters never fully use that martial arts, but that doesn't change the fact that a rope dart is a culturally distinct weapon in and of itself with no evolutionary links with the fish harpoon and not just a mere tool, and to treat it as identical or more or less the same thing as a European tool used as a substitute seems improper to me (unless, again, lore-wise Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fish harpoon in this fashion). However, this doesn't change the fact that the developers had intended it to be an analogue for the rope dart ''gameplay-wise'', so I agree it definitely merits a mention in the BtS. If this were Wikipedia or Wookieepedia, I would also say that the fish harpoon could be listed in the "See also" section for functional similarities, but we don't have "See also" sections. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	::::::::Also to clarify, I'm not suggesting that our edits to the article should be motivated by anxieties over how our audience might misconstrue the content. It is a small article anyways, and this would never stir up any controversy. But I meant that there's no actual relevance of the fish harpoon to the rope dart from an IU-perspective, and I was refuting the argument of how there is and why the idea that they are without distinction is erroneous. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:42, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		::::::::Also to clarify, I'm not suggesting that our edits to the article should be motivated by anxieties over how our audience might misconstrue the content. It is a small article anyways, and this would never stir up any controversy. But I meant that there's no actual relevance of the fish harpoon to the rope dart from an IU-perspective, and I was refuting the argument of how there is and why the idea that they are without distinction is erroneous. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:42, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	:::::::::If added to the body I’d just have it be: "In the late 9th century Eivor used her fishing harpoon as a rope-dart in combat." I think our disconnect is that I don't equate Rope-dart 1:1 with the Sheng-~~baio~~. To me Rope-dart is like "knife" and sheng-~~baio~~ is like "seax". Rectangles and squares to an extent. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 23:00, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		:::::::::If added to the body I’d just have it be: "In the late 9th century Eivor used her fishing harpoon as a rope-dart in combat." I think our disconnect is that I don't equate Rope-dart 1:1 with the Sheng-biao. To me Rope-dart is like "knife" and sheng-biao is like "seax". Rectangles and squares to an extent. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 23:00, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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	:::::::Eh, I feel like even some Chinese Americans who aren't Chinese nationalists would take this comment sensitively. Because it's kind of like saying "dude a rope dart is literally nothing more than a dart at the end of a rope, look these Vikings can literally make the exact same [poop]". I don't think you mean it like that, but it's just that in my experience with Asian American communities and their sensibilities, they can take it as racial, and that's something I was trying to avoid saying. Those characters never fully use that martial arts, but that doesn't change the fact that a rope dart is a culturally distinct weapon in and of itself with no evolutionary links with the fish harpoon and not just a mere tool, and to treat it as identical or more or less the same thing as a European tool used as a substitute seems improper to me (unless, again, lore-wise Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fish harpoon in this fashion). However, this doesn't change the fact that the developers had intended it to be an analogue for the rope dart ''gameplay-wise'', so I agree it definitely merits a mention in the BtS. If this were Wikipedia or Wookieepedia, I would also say that the fish harpoon could be listed in the "See also" section for functional similarities, but we don't have "See also" sections. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		:::::::Eh, I feel like even some Chinese Americans who aren't Chinese nationalists would take this comment sensitively. Because it's kind of like saying "dude a rope dart is literally nothing more than a dart at the end of a rope, look these Vikings can literally make the exact same [poop]". I don't think you mean it like that, but it's just that in my experience with Asian American communities and their sensibilities, they can take it as racial, and that's something I was trying to avoid saying. Those characters never fully use that martial arts, but that doesn't change the fact that a rope dart is a culturally distinct weapon in and of itself with no evolutionary links with the fish harpoon and not just a mere tool, and to treat it as identical or more or less the same thing as a European tool used as a substitute seems improper to me (unless, again, lore-wise Eivor was expressly inspired by the rope dart to use the fish harpoon in this fashion). However, this doesn't change the fact that the developers had intended it to be an analogue for the rope dart ''gameplay-wise'', so I agree it definitely merits a mention in the BtS. If this were Wikipedia or Wookieepedia, I would also say that the fish harpoon could be listed in the "See also" section for functional similarities, but we don't have "See also" sections. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	::::::::Also to clarify, I'm not suggesting that our edits to the article should be motivated by anxieties over how our audience might misconstrue the content. It is a small article anyways, and this would never stir up any controversy. But I meant that there's no actual relevance of the fish harpoon to the rope dart from an IU-perspective, and I was refuting the argument of how there is and why the idea that they are without distinction is erroneous. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:42, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		::::::::Also to clarify, I'm not suggesting that our edits to the article should be motivated by anxieties over how our audience might misconstrue the content. It is a small article anyways, and this would never stir up any controversy. But I meant that there's no actual relevance of the fish harpoon to the rope dart from an IU-perspective, and I was refuting the argument of how there is and why the idea that they are without distinction is erroneous. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:42, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
			:::::::::If added to the body I’d just have it be: "In the late 9th century Eivor used her fishing harpoon as a rope-dart in combat." I think our disconnect is that I don't equate Rope-dart 1:1 with the Sheng-baio. To me Rope-dart is like "knife" and sheng-baio is like "seax". Rectangles and squares to an extent. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 23:00, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
	I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)		I agree with Sol, 100% deserves a mention in BtS, but I don't I don't think it should go on the body of the article. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 03:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)