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Soranin: Text replacement - "Home" to "[https://rockstargames.fandom.com/wiki/ w:c:rockstargames Home]"

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Text replacement - "Home" to "[https://rockstargames.fandom.com/wiki/ w:c:rockstargames Home]"

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	::::Which never actually happened, so no, we won't be using a quote from the trailer. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 12:41, August 11, 2013 (UTC)		::::Which never actually happened, so no, we won't be using a quote from the trailer. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 12:41, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

	::::If so, then the quote ''"On this land, I am torn. Part of me wants to fight and repel all outsiders. The other part of me is the outsider."'' (which is used in the 'Early life' section) is also non-canon, as it was taken from the 'Gameplay Premiere' trailer, right? -- '''[[User:Ilan xd\|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd\|XD]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd\|Edits]] • [[w:c:rockstargames\|Home]] </small>)''' 15:38, August 19, 2013 (UTC)		::::If so, then the quote ''"On this land, I am torn. Part of me wants to fight and repel all outsiders. The other part of me is the outsider."'' (which is used in the 'Early life' section) is also non-canon, as it was taken from the 'Gameplay Premiere' trailer, right? -- '''[[User:Ilan xd\|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd\|XD]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd\|Edits]] • [https://rockstargames.fandom.com/wiki/ w:c:rockstargames Home] </small>)''' 15:38, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

	:If you're going to do all that, you might as well remove all OOU quotes, including the one on Aveline's page, since that comes from a trailer as well. {{User:Stormbeast/sig}} 16:06, August 19, 2013 (UTC)		:If you're going to do all that, you might as well remove all OOU quotes, including the one on Aveline's page, since that comes from a trailer as well. {{User:Stormbeast/sig}} 16:06, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

Soranin: Text replacement - "siniath" to "siniath"

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Text replacement - "siniath" to "siniath"

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	It would make sense, since Connor was the only assassin in the colonies at the time. (UTC)Solomano[[Special:Contributions/67.20.31.121\|67.20.31.121]] 03:29, August 11, 2015 (UTC)		It would make sense, since Connor was the only assassin in the colonies at the time. (UTC)Solomano[[Special:Contributions/67.20.31.121\|67.20.31.121]] 03:29, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

			==He fought with the [[Assassins]]==
			Connor fought with the Assassins, and believed the Assassins were the good guys (they are good guys) and hated the [[Templars]]. The Templars are bad guys. [[User:NON-STOPPING GAMER2009\|NON-STOPPING GAMER2009]] ([[User talk:NON-STOPPING GAMER2009\|talk]]) 15:25, May 24, 2020 (UTC)

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	So should we mention it in both the pages?[[User:Suhail Numaan\|Suhail Numaan]] ([[User talk:Suhail Numaan\|talk]]) 15:29, March 15, 2015 (UTC)Suhail Numaan		So should we mention it in both the pages?[[User:Suhail Numaan\|Suhail Numaan]] ([[User talk:Suhail Numaan\|talk]]) 15:29, March 15, 2015 (UTC)Suhail Numaan

			It would make sense, since Connor was the only assassin in the colonies at the time. (UTC)Solomano[[Special:Contributions/67.20.31.121\|67.20.31.121]] 03:29, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

imported>The Crimson Eagle: /* Quote */

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	:::If it's not in the game or a related media, then it's not canonical. Simple as that. Promotional things such as trailers are discounted, since they rarely reflect what actually is in the game itself. --<span style="text-shadow: black 1px 2px 3px;">[[User:Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#7575DB" face="OCR A" size="4">Kainzorus Prime</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#7575DB" size="6">⚜</font>]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#4C99A6"><sup>Walkie-talkie</sup></font>]]</span> 22:04, April 6, 2015 (UTC)		:::If it's not in the game or a related media, then it's not canonical. Simple as that. Promotional things such as trailers are discounted, since they rarely reflect what actually is in the game itself. --<span style="text-shadow: black 1px 2px 3px;">[[User:Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#7575DB" face="OCR A" size="4">Kainzorus Prime</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#7575DB" size="6">⚜</font>]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#4C99A6"><sup>Walkie-talkie</sup></font>]]</span> 22:04, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

			::::I should think taking character appearances from trailers is acceptable, but not quotes. They're usually just monologues recorded for the trailer. --{{User:The Crimson Eagle/sig}} 22:37, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

	==Is this the End?==		==Is this the End?==

imported>Kainzorus Prime: /* Quote */

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	::From where do you know they are not canon except the revelations one? I always found it weird since we dont see any of these things in the actual game but where did you get the confirmation that they arent canon? did ubisoft said this? [[Special:Contributions/31.18.29.241\|31.18.29.241]] 21:20, April 6, 2015 (UTC)		::From where do you know they are not canon except the revelations one? I always found it weird since we dont see any of these things in the actual game but where did you get the confirmation that they arent canon? did ubisoft said this? [[Special:Contributions/31.18.29.241\|31.18.29.241]] 21:20, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

			:::If it's not in the game or a related media, then it's not canonical. Simple as that. Promotional things such as trailers are discounted, since they rarely reflect what actually is in the game itself. --<span style="text-shadow: black 1px 2px 3px;">[[User:Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#7575DB" face="OCR A" size="4">Kainzorus Prime</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#7575DB" size="6">⚜</font>]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#4C99A6"><sup>Walkie-talkie</sup></font>]]</span> 22:04, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

	==Is this the End?==		==Is this the End?==

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	:Oh, that one... Yeah, I agree with Crimson. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 20:04, April 3, 2013 (UTC)		:Oh, that one... Yeah, I agree with Crimson. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 20:04, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
	::Plus, the trailer's aren't a part of the canon. We learned that when the ''Brotherhood'' trailer came out. (''Revelations'' "trailer" was actually the game's introductory video, before anybody points it out.) --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 17:19, August 19, 2013 (UTC)		::Plus, the trailer's aren't a part of the canon. We learned that when the ''Brotherhood'' trailer came out. (''Revelations'' "trailer" was actually the game's introductory video, before anybody points it out.) --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 17:19, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

			::From where do you know they are not canon except the revelations one? I always found it weird since we dont see any of these things in the actual game but where did you get the confirmation that they arent canon? did ubisoft said this? [[Special:Contributions/31.18.29.241\|31.18.29.241]] 21:20, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

	==Is this the End?==		==Is this the End?==

imported>Suhail Numaan: /* Master Assassin */

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	Both ''Black Flag'' and ''Unity'' refer to Connor as a Master Assassin, in the descriptions of his outfit. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 15:26, March 15, 2015 (UTC)		Both ''Black Flag'' and ''Unity'' refer to Connor as a Master Assassin, in the descriptions of his outfit. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 15:26, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

	So should we mention it in both the pages?		So should we mention it in both the pages?[[User:Suhail Numaan\|Suhail Numaan]] ([[User talk:Suhail Numaan\|talk]]) 15:29, March 15, 2015 (UTC)Suhail Numaan

imported>Suhail Numaan: /* Master Assassin */

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	Both ''Black Flag'' and ''Unity'' refer to Connor as a Master Assassin, in the descriptions of his outfit. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 15:26, March 15, 2015 (UTC)		Both ''Black Flag'' and ''Unity'' refer to Connor as a Master Assassin, in the descriptions of his outfit. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 15:26, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

			So should we mention it in both the pages?

imported>Master Sima Yi: /* Master Assassin */

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	That's because ''Assassin's Creed III'' isn't the source in any case. Fairly certain he's referred to as a Master Assassin in ''Black Flag'' and/or ''Unity''. I'll check in a bit. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 15:09, March 15, 2015 (UTC)		That's because ''Assassin's Creed III'' isn't the source in any case. Fairly certain he's referred to as a Master Assassin in ''Black Flag'' and/or ''Unity''. I'll check in a bit. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 15:09, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

			Both ''Black Flag'' and ''Unity'' refer to Connor as a Master Assassin, in the descriptions of his outfit. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 15:26, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

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	:::That being said, I find it very hard to believe that he was only 4 years old when we first see him and 14 when he leaves the village. Based on appearance, I'd guess around 11 and 19 respectively? [[Special:Contributions/83.177.191.12\|83.177.191.12]] 07:50, April 22, 2013 (UTC)		:::That being said, I find it very hard to believe that he was only 4 years old when we first see him and 14 when he leaves the village. Based on appearance, I'd guess around 11 and 19 respectively? [[Special:Contributions/83.177.191.12\|83.177.191.12]] 07:50, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

	:::Appearances can be misleading. Just consider Claudia, Petruccio and Duccio in ACII... not to even mention IRL. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 08:19, April 22, 2013 (UTC)		:::Appearances can be misleading. Just consider Claudia, Petruccio and Duccio in ACII... not to even mention IRL. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 08:19, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

	:::http://www.oxm.co.uk/40304/interviews/assassins-creed-3-the-most-rpg-like-assassins-creed-so-far/ 1:00-1:04. Сonnor was born in 1755. Ubisoft have answered.[[User:DocToR aka DOC\|DocToR aka DOC]] ([[User talk:DocToR aka DOC\|talk]]) 08:50, December 6, 2013 (UTC)		:::http://www.oxm.co.uk/40304/interviews/assassins-creed-3-the-most-rpg-like-assassins-creed-so-far/ 1:00-1:04. Сonnor was born in 1755. Ubisoft have answered.[[User:DocToR aka DOC\|DocToR aka DOC]] ([[User talk:DocToR aka DOC\|talk]]) 08:50, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
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	::I do not think so, can you provide a source that ACIII confirms this? I'm not telling that ACIV will not confirm it. [[User:Altaïr Skywalker 47\|<span style="font-family:Vivaldi;font-size:20px;color:#FF496C;">'''Altaïr Skywalker 47'''</span>]] [[User talk:Altaïr Skywalker 47\|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic;font-size:10px;color:#FFD700;"><sup>'''Pigeon Coop'''</sup></span>]] 10:17, June 24, 2013 (UTC)		::I do not think so, can you provide a source that ACIII confirms this? I'm not telling that ACIV will not confirm it. [[User:Altaïr Skywalker 47\|<span style="font-family:Vivaldi;font-size:20px;color:#FF496C;">'''Altaïr Skywalker 47'''</span>]] [[User talk:Altaïr Skywalker 47\|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic;font-size:10px;color:#FFD700;"><sup>'''Pigeon Coop'''</sup></span>]] 10:17, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
	:::To quote Desmond in AC3: ''"Hey, he was your ancestor too. Why don't you hop in the Animus?!"''. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 11:11, June 24, 2013 (UTC)		:::To quote Desmond in AC3: ''"Hey, he was your ancestor too. Why don't you hop in the Animus?!"''. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 11:11, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
	::::Might've been just a wild guess on Desmond's part. Granted, William doesn't deny it. Still, we might wish to wait for something a bit more definitive than that before we set it in stone. :) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 14:02, June 24, 2013 (UTC)		::::Might've been just a wild guess on Desmond's part. Granted, William doesn't deny it. Still, we might wish to wait for something a bit more definitive than that before we set it in stone. :) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 14:02, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
	:::::I've noticed people here saying we can't be sure because Desmond "might have been guessing". There is nothing to say Desmond doesn't know about his relation to Connor, so we should be assuming it's a "wild guess on [his] part." Basically, Desmond said "he was your ancestor too" so as far as canon is concerned, Desmond is related to Connor through his father. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 16:12, June 24, 2013 (UTC)		:::::I've noticed people here saying we can't be sure because Desmond "might have been guessing". There is nothing to say Desmond doesn't know about his relation to Connor, so we should be assuming it's a "wild guess on [his] part." Basically, Desmond said "he was your ancestor too" so as far as canon is concerned, Desmond is related to Connor through his father. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 16:12, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

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	:::::::So my point remains; Desmond clearly said that his father was also an ancestor of the Kenways', and as such we have to take that as canon. (Whether he turns out in future media to be correct or not, is currently besides the point.) Making assumptions that Desmond is ignorant of his lineage, or that his father is somehow related to a potato is ridiculous. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 09:01, June 25, 2013 (UTC)		:::::::So my point remains; Desmond clearly said that his father was also an ancestor of the Kenways', and as such we have to take that as canon. (Whether he turns out in future media to be correct or not, is currently besides the point.) Making assumptions that Desmond is ignorant of his lineage, or that his father is somehow related to a potato is ridiculous. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 09:01, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

	::::::::Similarly, you're making an assumption that what Desmond says, while ''agitated'', is fact. Both stances are currently just as valid. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:38, June 25, 2013 (UTC)		::::::::Similarly, you're making an assumption that what Desmond says, while ''agitated'', is fact. Both stances are currently just as valid. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:38, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
	:::::::::I am making no such assumption, Desmond clearly says ""Hey, he was your ancestor too." Whether he was agitated, annoyed, or whatever else is besides the point. Until a media comes out explicitly contradicting that statement, William is for all intent and purposes a descendant of Connor. Whether I personally think that to be true or not is besides the point. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 10:15, June 25, 2013 (UTC)		:::::::::I am making no such assumption, Desmond clearly says ""Hey, he was your ancestor too." Whether he was agitated, annoyed, or whatever else is besides the point. Until a media comes out explicitly contradicting that statement, William is for all intent and purposes a descendant of Connor. Whether I personally think that to be true or not is besides the point. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 10:15, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
	::::::::::You are taking my example out of context, and ignoring the in-universe stance to be completely in favor of the out-of-universe one. Then by all means, make an article on 'Desmond Miles' son', because Subject 16 explicitly mentioned him. ''His'' state of mind would be irrelevant as well then. Also, Desmond ''was'' unaware of the Kenways, as he relied on Shaun to provide additional information on them. Nothing even ''remotely'' implies that Desmond had knowledge of the Kenways. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 12:28, June 25, 2013 (UTC)		::::::::::You are taking my example out of context, and ignoring the in-universe stance to be completely in favor of the out-of-universe one. Then by all means, make an article on 'Desmond Miles' son', because Subject 16 explicitly mentioned him. ''His'' state of mind would be irrelevant as well then. Also, Desmond ''was'' unaware of the Kenways, as he relied on Shaun to provide additional information on them. Nothing even ''remotely'' implies that Desmond had knowledge of the Kenways. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 12:28, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
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	:::It ''is'' explicitly stated. You can't get much more explicit than "he is your ancestor too." --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 08:26, June 26, 2013 (UTC)		:::It ''is'' explicitly stated. You can't get much more explicit than "he is your ancestor too." --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 08:26, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

	::::It's also explicitly stated that "The Templars ... got no ambition. No passion! No competitive edge!" But is it a fact? [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:54, June 26, 2013 (UTC)		::::It's also explicitly stated that "The Templars ... got no ambition. No passion! No competitive edge!" But is it a fact? [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:54, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

	::::Maybe, Rebecca just said it to make Templars plans to look dull or something...{{User:AgentG231/sig}}		::::Maybe, Rebecca just said it to make Templars plans to look dull or something...{{User:AgentG231/sig}}
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	::::::And nothing but lack of explicit denial even suggests Desmond's sudden outburst might be based on fact. He might just as well be wrong; how many of us can recite our family tree for, what? The last four, five generations? Why would blood relation dictate one's knowledge of the people who've contributed to one's genepool?		::::::And nothing but lack of explicit denial even suggests Desmond's sudden outburst might be based on fact. He might just as well be wrong; how many of us can recite our family tree for, what? The last four, five generations? Why would blood relation dictate one's knowledge of the people who've contributed to one's genepool?
	::::::However, if in your opinion that single heated phrase is all the validation required, why not edit William's article? And while you're at it, the Assassins' article to mention that no Assassin has ever been vegan? Same goes for Desmond's son, and the Templars' lack of 'fire'... since as per your earlier comments, attitude/current emotions are 'irrelevant'. If we accept one phrase as fact, we need to accept them all. Regardless of mitigating factors like being an opinion, or being 'untrustworthy.' [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 14:41, June 26, 2013 (UTC)		::::::However, if in your opinion that single heated phrase is all the validation required, why not edit William's article? And while you're at it, the Assassins' article to mention that no Assassin has ever been vegan? Same goes for Desmond's son, and the Templars' lack of 'fire'... since as per your earlier comments, attitude/current emotions are 'irrelevant'. If we accept one phrase as fact, we need to accept them all. Regardless of mitigating factors like being an opinion, or being 'untrustworthy.' [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 14:41, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
	:::::::"Explicit lack of denial"? He is William's son; if he gets something as fundamentally wrong as knowing who his father's familial relation is then there is something seriously wrong with him. I for one can't accept he might have been mistaken, as then that throws everything else he has ever said into doubt. Not will I accept your assertion that he is untrustworthy (for the same reasons).		:::::::"Explicit lack of denial"? He is William's son; if he gets something as fundamentally wrong as knowing who his father's familial relation is then there is something seriously wrong with him. I for one can't accept he might have been mistaken, as then that throws everything else he has ever said into doubt. Not will I accept your assertion that he is untrustworthy (for the same reasons).

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	:::::::As for casting doubt on the verity of his words... that bus left a couple of years ago already. For example, in no way can "two dozen couples, some kids" translate into "about 30."		:::::::As for casting doubt on the verity of his words... that bus left a couple of years ago already. For example, in no way can "two dozen couples, some kids" translate into "about 30."

	:::::::Whether something was an opinion, or said in a curious state of mind, or as a 'joke', or whatever else is besides the point if we accept things the way you propose we accept Desmond's comment. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 15:39, June 27, 2013 (UTC)		:::::::Whether something was an opinion, or said in a curious state of mind, or as a 'joke', or whatever else is besides the point if we accept things the way you propose we accept Desmond's comment. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 15:39, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
	::::::::Erm, 12x2= 24, plus "some kids" (which could easily be six), certainly translates into 30. You can repeat it as much as you like, the fact that someone else may not be able to recite their family history beyond three generations has absolutely no baring whatsoever on whether Desmond is able to, or not. What I'm proposing is that we take Desmond's quoted, unmistakable comment of "he's your ancestor too" and treat it like we do everything else we have on this wiki.		::::::::Erm, 12x2= 24, plus "some kids" (which could easily be six), certainly translates into 30. You can repeat it as much as you like, the fact that someone else may not be able to recite their family history beyond three generations has absolutely no baring whatsoever on whether Desmond is able to, or not. What I'm proposing is that we take Desmond's quoted, unmistakable comment of "he's your ancestor too" and treat it like we do everything else we have on this wiki.

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	::::::::We ''are'' treating it like we do everything else on this wiki.		::::::::We ''are'' treating it like we do everything else on this wiki.
	::::::::And as stated, there's Desmond's attested character to consider. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:55, June 28, 2013 (UTC)		::::::::And as stated, there's Desmond's attested character to consider. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:55, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

	You lot are really still at it, for two days now? --[[User:Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#7575DB" face="OCR A" size="3">Kainzorus Prime</font>]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#4C99A6"><sup>Walkie-talkie</sup></font>]] 17:45, June 26, 2013 (UTC)		You lot are really still at it, for two days now? --[[User:Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#7575DB" face="OCR A" size="3">Kainzorus Prime</font>]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#4C99A6"><sup>Walkie-talkie</sup></font>]] 17:45, June 26, 2013 (UTC)