Talk:Precursor box - Revision history

Soranin at 15:14, 17 June 2026

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	I feel like the theory of there being 2 boxes makes alot of sense actually,I mean Ubi can just forget about the other box left in Russia in 1918 by Nikolai instead of saying that is infact the SAME box that was given to Shao by Ezio.[[User:Qwert1225\|Qwert1225]] ([[User talk:Qwert1225\|talk]]) 09:38, July 29, 2017 (UTC)		I feel like the theory of there being 2 boxes makes alot of sense actually,I mean Ubi can just forget about the other box left in Russia in 1918 by Nikolai instead of saying that is infact the SAME box that was given to Shao by Ezio.[[User:Qwert1225\|Qwert1225]] ([[User talk:Qwert1225\|talk]]) 09:38, July 29, 2017 (UTC)
	:For those who want a reference to the other discussion, refer to [[~~Thread~~:~~212830~~\|here]]. I'd be in favor of taking Aymar's word as the most authoritative source because (a) he's the head of content (b) I personally think Rogue's writers, including Farrese did not have a good grasp on the lore (c) it's the most recent word on it (d) ''The Essential Guide'' does say there are two boxes almost certainly referring to Ezio's box and Shay's box as distinct, but it actually does not explicitly describe the other box, meaning we can assume that the first box is the box that the entire series has shown while the latter simply has never appeared even if this is probably not what the writers of the book intended.		:For those who want a reference to the other discussion, refer to [[Assassin's Creed Wiki:General Archives/On the Precursor box\|here]]. I'd be in favor of taking Aymar's word as the most authoritative source because (a) he's the head of content (b) I personally think Rogue's writers, including Farrese did not have a good grasp on the lore (c) it's the most recent word on it (d) ''The Essential Guide'' does say there are two boxes almost certainly referring to Ezio's box and Shay's box as distinct, but it actually does not explicitly describe the other box, meaning we can assume that the first box is the box that the entire series has shown while the latter simply has never appeared even if this is probably not what the writers of the book intended.

	:On another note, I have not played ''Chronicles: Russia'' yet, so I was wondering if someone could clear this up for me. At the end of that game, Gramática is presented with a Precursor box (according to the citation in the article)? Why did we conclude that the box he is given is Shay's box and not Ezio's box if the game this is shown is in ''Chronicles: Russia''?		:On another note, I have not played ''Chronicles: Russia'' yet, so I was wondering if someone could clear this up for me. At the end of that game, Gramática is presented with a Precursor box (according to the citation in the article)? Why did we conclude that the box he is given is Shay's box and not Ezio's box if the game this is shown is in ''Chronicles: Russia''?

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	This page currently acts as the article for Precursor boxes in general as well as Ezio/Shay's box specifically. Should we split the later topic into its own page? The TTRPG has reiterated that there are multiple Boxes but that the Box in possession of Ezio Auditore, Shao Jun, Zhang Yong, João Machado, Shay Cormac, William Sleeman, Ulysses S. Grant, Anastasia Nikolaevna and Álvaro Gramática are all the same Box. I would suggest either ''Ezio's Box'' or ''Shay's Box'' per what it's called in Chronicles. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 03:07, 25 January 2025 (UTC)		This page currently acts as the article for Precursor boxes in general as well as Ezio/Shay's box specifically. Should we split the later topic into its own page? The TTRPG has reiterated that there are multiple Boxes but that the Box in possession of Ezio Auditore, Shao Jun, Zhang Yong, João Machado, Shay Cormac, William Sleeman, Ulysses S. Grant, Anastasia Nikolaevna and Álvaro Gramática are all the same Box. I would suggest either ''Ezio's Box'' or ''Shay's Box'' per what it's called in Chronicles. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 03:07, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Fair enough, go right ahead. I'd use "Ezio Auditore's Box" rather than just Ezio's Box, but it's fine either way. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 16:05, 25 January 2025 (UTC)		:Fair enough, go right ahead. I'd use "Ezio Auditore's Box" rather than just Ezio's Box, but it's fine either way. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 16:05, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Ezio's Box is better as the Russian Assassins labelled it with this name.[[User:Francesco75\|Francesco75]] ([[User talk:Francesco75\|talk]]) 08:42, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

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	This page currently acts as the article for Precursor boxes in general as well as Ezio/Shay's box specifically. Should we split the later topic into its own page? The TTRPG has reiterated that there are multiple Boxes but that the Box in possession of Ezio Auditore, Shao Jun, Zhang Yong, João Machado, Shay Cormac, William Sleeman, Ulysses S. Grant, Anastasia Nikolaevna and Álvaro Gramática are all the same Box. I would suggest either ''Ezio's Box'' or ''Shay's Box'' per what it's called in Chronicles. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 03:07, 25 January 2025 (UTC)		This page currently acts as the article for Precursor boxes in general as well as Ezio/Shay's box specifically. Should we split the later topic into its own page? The TTRPG has reiterated that there are multiple Boxes but that the Box in possession of Ezio Auditore, Shao Jun, Zhang Yong, João Machado, Shay Cormac, William Sleeman, Ulysses S. Grant, Anastasia Nikolaevna and Álvaro Gramática are all the same Box. I would suggest either ''Ezio's Box'' or ''Shay's Box'' per what it's called in Chronicles. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 03:07, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Fair enough, go right ahead. I'd use "Ezio Auditore's Box" rather than just Ezio's Box, but it's fine either way. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 16:05, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

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	:You think there's a difference between the boxes that display holographic maps, and ones that are basically the Isu's unusually-large USBs? Interesting. What makes you think there's two different box types? Or is it simply "all caches look like boxes, but not all boxes are caches"? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 00:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)		:You think there's a difference between the boxes that display holographic maps, and ones that are basically the Isu's unusually-large USBs? Interesting. What makes you think there's two different box types? Or is it simply "all caches look like boxes, but not all boxes are caches"? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 00:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
	::I'm asking whether we are sure all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. I didn't suggest that they aren't. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)		::I'm asking whether we are sure all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. I didn't suggest that they aren't. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
			:::Is this resolved? I vote the current lede as is. As for if all boxes are data caches hard to say since we've only seen one actual precursor box (which keeps changing designs) while the data caches only show up in the Atlantis simulation but uses one of the designs for the precursor box. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 03:26, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

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	:You think there's a difference between the boxes that display holographic maps, and ones that are basically the Isu's unusually-large USBs? Interesting. What makes you think there's two different box types? Or is it simply "all caches look like boxes, but not all boxes are caches"? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 00:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)		:You think there's a difference between the boxes that display holographic maps, and ones that are basically the Isu's unusually-large USBs? Interesting. What makes you think there's two different box types? Or is it simply "all caches look like boxes, but not all boxes are caches"? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 00:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
	::I'm asking whether we are sure all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. I didn't suggest that they aren't. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)		::I'm asking whether we are sure all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. I didn't suggest that they aren't. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

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			This page currently acts as the article for Precursor boxes in general as well as Ezio/Shay's box specifically. Should we split the later topic into its own page? The TTRPG has reiterated that there are multiple Boxes but that the Box in possession of Ezio Auditore, Shao Jun, Zhang Yong, João Machado, Shay Cormac, William Sleeman, Ulysses S. Grant, Anastasia Nikolaevna and Álvaro Gramática are all the same Box. I would suggest either ''Ezio's Box'' or ''Shay's Box'' per what it's called in Chronicles. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 03:07, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

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	''The Essential Guide'' favors capitalizing both words: "Precursor Box". Can we confirm this isn't inconsistent with other sources? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 09:15, June 30, 2017 (UTC)		''The Essential Guide'' favors capitalizing both words: "Precursor Box". Can we confirm this isn't inconsistent with other sources? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 09:15, June 30, 2017 (UTC)
			:The new TTRPG also favors capitalizing both words. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:58, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

	== So do you guys think there are one or 2 boxes? ==		== So do you guys think there are one or 2 boxes? ==

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	It's not that the last used name in the latest source ''has'' to be the article title, Darman. Things can have more than one name. It's that in some cases, a later name can indicate a (soft or hard) retcon, a clarification, or an update in general. Clearly, both "Precursor box" and "Isu data cache" are valid names for this thing, and the latter, being a more explicit and newer name that appears in a relatively later source, in addition to an actual Isu setting, is probably a more proper name. In-universe, "Precursor box" is just what humans millennia later call it because they don't exactly know what it is. In-universe, "Isu data cache" should be the more proper name. That having been said, my only doubt is whether all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)		It's not that the last used name in the latest source ''has'' to be the article title, Darman. Things can have more than one name. It's that in some cases, a later name can indicate a (soft or hard) retcon, a clarification, or an update in general. Clearly, both "Precursor box" and "Isu data cache" are valid names for this thing, and the latter, being a more explicit and newer name that appears in a relatively later source, in addition to an actual Isu setting, is probably a more proper name. In-universe, "Precursor box" is just what humans millennia later call it because they don't exactly know what it is. In-universe, "Isu data cache" should be the more proper name. That having been said, my only doubt is whether all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
	:You think there's a difference between the boxes that display holographic maps, and ones that are basically the Isu's unusually-large USBs? Interesting. What makes you think there's two different box types? Or is it simply "all caches look like boxes, but not all boxes are caches"? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 00:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)		:You think there's a difference between the boxes that display holographic maps, and ones that are basically the Isu's unusually-large USBs? Interesting. What makes you think there's two different box types? Or is it simply "all caches look like boxes, but not all boxes are caches"? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 00:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
	::I'm asking whether all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. I didn't suggest that they aren't. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)		::I'm asking whether we are sure all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. I didn't suggest that they aren't. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

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	It's not that the last used name in the latest source ''has'' to be the article title, Darman. Things can have more than one name. It's that in some cases, a later name can indicate a (soft or hard) retcon, a clarification, or an update in general. Clearly, both "Precursor box" and "Isu data cache" are valid names for this thing, and the latter, being a more explicit and newer name that appears in a relatively later source, in addition to an actual Isu setting, is probably a more proper name. In-universe, "Precursor box" is just what humans millennia later call it because they don't exactly know what it is. In-universe, "Isu data cache" should be the more proper name. That having been said, my only doubt is whether all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)		It's not that the last used name in the latest source ''has'' to be the article title, Darman. Things can have more than one name. It's that in some cases, a later name can indicate a (soft or hard) retcon, a clarification, or an update in general. Clearly, both "Precursor box" and "Isu data cache" are valid names for this thing, and the latter, being a more explicit and newer name that appears in a relatively later source, in addition to an actual Isu setting, is probably a more proper name. In-universe, "Precursor box" is just what humans millennia later call it because they don't exactly know what it is. In-universe, "Isu data cache" should be the more proper name. That having been said, my only doubt is whether all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
	:You think there's a difference between the boxes that display holographic maps, and ones that are basically the Isu's unusually-large USBs? Interesting. What makes you think there's two different box types? Or is it simply "all caches look like boxes, but not all boxes are caches"? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 00:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)		:You think there's a difference between the boxes that display holographic maps, and ones that are basically the Isu's unusually-large USBs? Interesting. What makes you think there's two different box types? Or is it simply "all caches look like boxes, but not all boxes are caches"? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 00:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
			::I'm asking whether all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. I didn't suggest that they aren't. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

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	:::::Almost forgot, there has been a mention after ''Atlantis'', the latest use was in ''Valhalla''{{'}}s SecureShare files: "I tried to transcribe pages of the Voynich manuscript, by the way, but it's still gibberish. It must use some sort of encryption that Precursor boxes can decode." - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 02:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)		:::::Almost forgot, there has been a mention after ''Atlantis'', the latest use was in ''Valhalla''{{'}}s SecureShare files: "I tried to transcribe pages of the Voynich manuscript, by the way, but it's still gibberish. It must use some sort of encryption that Precursor boxes can decode." - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 02:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
	::::::[sigh] Dammit. And that would overrule based on latest name basis, wouldn't it? Yes, it's a valid name, but why are we/the series ''still'' using it when we know more info about them now? There's literally only 6 pages that retain it in their titles: the box, the vague relics, the Reflex Bow (ACOD), the Habitation Expedition and Memo (ACU), and a database entry on Temples (ACCI)). – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 21:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)<br><br>Or can we still move it and view these mere handful of pages using "Precursor" as exceptions? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 21:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)		::::::[sigh] Dammit. And that would overrule based on latest name basis, wouldn't it? Yes, it's a valid name, but why are we/the series ''still'' using it when we know more info about them now? There's literally only 6 pages that retain it in their titles: the box, the vague relics, the Reflex Bow (ACOD), the Habitation Expedition and Memo (ACU), and a database entry on Temples (ACCI). – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 21:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)<br><br>Or can we still move it and view these mere handful of pages using "Precursor" as exceptions? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 21:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
	It's not that the last used name in the latest source ''has'' to be the article title, Darman. Things can have more than one name. It's that in some cases, a later name can indicate a (soft or hard) retcon, a clarification, or an update in general. Clearly, both "Precursor box" and "Isu data cache" are valid names for this thing, and the latter, being a more explicit and newer name that appears in a relatively later source, in addition to an actual Isu setting, is probably a more proper name. In-universe, "Precursor box" is just what humans millennia later call it because they don't exactly what it is. In-universe, "Isu data cache" should be the more proper name. That having been said, my only doubt is whether all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)		It's not that the last used name in the latest source ''has'' to be the article title, Darman. Things can have more than one name. It's that in some cases, a later name can indicate a (soft or hard) retcon, a clarification, or an update in general. Clearly, both "Precursor box" and "Isu data cache" are valid names for this thing, and the latter, being a more explicit and newer name that appears in a relatively later source, in addition to an actual Isu setting, is probably a more proper name. In-universe, "Precursor box" is just what humans millennia later call it because they don't exactly know what it is. In-universe, "Isu data cache" should be the more proper name. That having been said, my only doubt is whether all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
			:You think there's a difference between the boxes that display holographic maps, and ones that are basically the Isu's unusually-large USBs? Interesting. What makes you think there's two different box types? Or is it simply "all caches look like boxes, but not all boxes are caches"? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 00:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

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	:::::Almost forgot, there has been a mention after ''Atlantis'', the latest use was in ''Valhalla''{{'}}s SecureShare files: "I tried to transcribe pages of the Voynich manuscript, by the way, but it's still gibberish. It must use some sort of encryption that Precursor boxes can decode." - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 02:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)		:::::Almost forgot, there has been a mention after ''Atlantis'', the latest use was in ''Valhalla''{{'}}s SecureShare files: "I tried to transcribe pages of the Voynich manuscript, by the way, but it's still gibberish. It must use some sort of encryption that Precursor boxes can decode." - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 02:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
	::::::[sigh] Dammit. And that would overrule based on latest name basis, wouldn't it? Yes, it's a valid name, but why are we/the series ''still'' using it when we know more info about them now? There's literally only 6 pages that retain it in their titles: the box, the vague relics, the Reflex Bow (ACOD), the Habitation Expedition and Memo (ACU), and a database entry on Temples (ACCI)). – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 21:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)<br><br>Or can we still move it and view these mere handful of pages using "Precursor" as exceptions? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 21:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)		::::::[sigh] Dammit. And that would overrule based on latest name basis, wouldn't it? Yes, it's a valid name, but why are we/the series ''still'' using it when we know more info about them now? There's literally only 6 pages that retain it in their titles: the box, the vague relics, the Reflex Bow (ACOD), the Habitation Expedition and Memo (ACU), and a database entry on Temples (ACCI)). – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 21:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)<br><br>Or can we still move it and view these mere handful of pages using "Precursor" as exceptions? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 21:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
			It's not that the last used name in the latest source ''has'' to be the article title, Darman. Things can have more than one name. It's that in some cases, a later name can indicate a (soft or hard) retcon, a clarification, or an update in general. Clearly, both "Precursor box" and "Isu data cache" are valid names for this thing, and the latter, being a more explicit and newer name that appears in a relatively later source, in addition to an actual Isu setting, is probably a more proper name. In-universe, "Precursor box" is just what humans millennia later call it because they don't exactly what it is. In-universe, "Isu data cache" should be the more proper name. That having been said, my only doubt is whether all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

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	This page currently acts as the article for Precursor boxes in general as well as Ezio/Shay's box specifically. Should we split the later topic into its own page? The TTRPG has reiterated that there are multiple Boxes but that the Box in possession of Ezio Auditore, Shao Jun, Zhang Yong, João Machado, Shay Cormac, William Sleeman, Ulysses S. Grant, Anastasia Nikolaevna and Álvaro Gramática are all the same Box. I would suggest either ''Ezio's Box'' or ''Shay's Box'' per what it's called in Chronicles. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 03:07, 25 January 2025 (UTC)		This page currently acts as the article for Precursor boxes in general as well as Ezio/Shay's box specifically. Should we split the later topic into its own page? The TTRPG has reiterated that there are multiple Boxes but that the Box in possession of Ezio Auditore, Shao Jun, Zhang Yong, João Machado, Shay Cormac, William Sleeman, Ulysses S. Grant, Anastasia Nikolaevna and Álvaro Gramática are all the same Box. I would suggest either ''Ezio's Box'' or ''Shay's Box'' per what it's called in Chronicles. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 03:07, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Fair enough, go right ahead. I'd use "Ezio Auditore's Box" rather than just Ezio's Box, but it's fine either way. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 16:05, 25 January 2025 (UTC)		:Fair enough, go right ahead. I'd use "Ezio Auditore's Box" rather than just Ezio's Box, but it's fine either way. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 16:05, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Ezio's Box is better as the Russian Assassins labelled it with this name.[[User:Francesco75\|Francesco75]] ([[User talk:Francesco75\|talk]]) 08:42, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

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	It's not that the last used name in the latest source ''has'' to be the article title, Darman. Things can have more than one name. It's that in some cases, a later name can indicate a (soft or hard) retcon, a clarification, or an update in general. Clearly, both "Precursor box" and "Isu data cache" are valid names for this thing, and the latter, being a more explicit and newer name that appears in a relatively later source, in addition to an actual Isu setting, is probably a more proper name. In-universe, "Precursor box" is just what humans millennia later call it because they don't exactly know what it is. In-universe, "Isu data cache" should be the more proper name. That having been said, my only doubt is whether all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)		It's not that the last used name in the latest source ''has'' to be the article title, Darman. Things can have more than one name. It's that in some cases, a later name can indicate a (soft or hard) retcon, a clarification, or an update in general. Clearly, both "Precursor box" and "Isu data cache" are valid names for this thing, and the latter, being a more explicit and newer name that appears in a relatively later source, in addition to an actual Isu setting, is probably a more proper name. In-universe, "Precursor box" is just what humans millennia later call it because they don't exactly know what it is. In-universe, "Isu data cache" should be the more proper name. That having been said, my only doubt is whether all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
	:You think there's a difference between the boxes that display holographic maps, and ones that are basically the Isu's unusually-large USBs? Interesting. What makes you think there's two different box types? Or is it simply "all caches look like boxes, but not all boxes are caches"? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 00:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)		:You think there's a difference between the boxes that display holographic maps, and ones that are basically the Isu's unusually-large USBs? Interesting. What makes you think there's two different box types? Or is it simply "all caches look like boxes, but not all boxes are caches"? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 00:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
	::I'm asking whether all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. I didn't suggest that they aren't. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)		::I'm asking whether we are sure all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. I didn't suggest that they aren't. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

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	It's not that the last used name in the latest source ''has'' to be the article title, Darman. Things can have more than one name. It's that in some cases, a later name can indicate a (soft or hard) retcon, a clarification, or an update in general. Clearly, both "Precursor box" and "Isu data cache" are valid names for this thing, and the latter, being a more explicit and newer name that appears in a relatively later source, in addition to an actual Isu setting, is probably a more proper name. In-universe, "Precursor box" is just what humans millennia later call it because they don't exactly know what it is. In-universe, "Isu data cache" should be the more proper name. That having been said, my only doubt is whether all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)		It's not that the last used name in the latest source ''has'' to be the article title, Darman. Things can have more than one name. It's that in some cases, a later name can indicate a (soft or hard) retcon, a clarification, or an update in general. Clearly, both "Precursor box" and "Isu data cache" are valid names for this thing, and the latter, being a more explicit and newer name that appears in a relatively later source, in addition to an actual Isu setting, is probably a more proper name. In-universe, "Precursor box" is just what humans millennia later call it because they don't exactly know what it is. In-universe, "Isu data cache" should be the more proper name. That having been said, my only doubt is whether all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
	:You think there's a difference between the boxes that display holographic maps, and ones that are basically the Isu's unusually-large USBs? Interesting. What makes you think there's two different box types? Or is it simply "all caches look like boxes, but not all boxes are caches"? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 00:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)		:You think there's a difference between the boxes that display holographic maps, and ones that are basically the Isu's unusually-large USBs? Interesting. What makes you think there's two different box types? Or is it simply "all caches look like boxes, but not all boxes are caches"? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 00:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
			::I'm asking whether all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. I didn't suggest that they aren't. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

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	:::::Almost forgot, there has been a mention after ''Atlantis'', the latest use was in ''Valhalla''{{'}}s SecureShare files: "I tried to transcribe pages of the Voynich manuscript, by the way, but it's still gibberish. It must use some sort of encryption that Precursor boxes can decode." - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 02:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)		:::::Almost forgot, there has been a mention after ''Atlantis'', the latest use was in ''Valhalla''{{'}}s SecureShare files: "I tried to transcribe pages of the Voynich manuscript, by the way, but it's still gibberish. It must use some sort of encryption that Precursor boxes can decode." - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 02:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
	::::::[sigh] Dammit. And that would overrule based on latest name basis, wouldn't it? Yes, it's a valid name, but why are we/the series ''still'' using it when we know more info about them now? There's literally only 6 pages that retain it in their titles: the box, the vague relics, the Reflex Bow (ACOD), the Habitation Expedition and Memo (ACU), and a database entry on Temples (ACCI)). – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 21:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)<br><br>Or can we still move it and view these mere handful of pages using "Precursor" as exceptions? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 21:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)		::::::[sigh] Dammit. And that would overrule based on latest name basis, wouldn't it? Yes, it's a valid name, but why are we/the series ''still'' using it when we know more info about them now? There's literally only 6 pages that retain it in their titles: the box, the vague relics, the Reflex Bow (ACOD), the Habitation Expedition and Memo (ACU), and a database entry on Temples (ACCI). – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 21:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)<br><br>Or can we still move it and view these mere handful of pages using "Precursor" as exceptions? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 21:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
	It's not that the last used name in the latest source ''has'' to be the article title, Darman. Things can have more than one name. It's that in some cases, a later name can indicate a (soft or hard) retcon, a clarification, or an update in general. Clearly, both "Precursor box" and "Isu data cache" are valid names for this thing, and the latter, being a more explicit and newer name that appears in a relatively later source, in addition to an actual Isu setting, is probably a more proper name. In-universe, "Precursor box" is just what humans millennia later call it because they don't exactly what it is. In-universe, "Isu data cache" should be the more proper name. That having been said, my only doubt is whether all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)		It's not that the last used name in the latest source ''has'' to be the article title, Darman. Things can have more than one name. It's that in some cases, a later name can indicate a (soft or hard) retcon, a clarification, or an update in general. Clearly, both "Precursor box" and "Isu data cache" are valid names for this thing, and the latter, being a more explicit and newer name that appears in a relatively later source, in addition to an actual Isu setting, is probably a more proper name. In-universe, "Precursor box" is just what humans millennia later call it because they don't exactly know what it is. In-universe, "Isu data cache" should be the more proper name. That having been said, my only doubt is whether all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
			:You think there's a difference between the boxes that display holographic maps, and ones that are basically the Isu's unusually-large USBs? Interesting. What makes you think there's two different box types? Or is it simply "all caches look like boxes, but not all boxes are caches"? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 00:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

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	:::::Almost forgot, there has been a mention after ''Atlantis'', the latest use was in ''Valhalla''{{'}}s SecureShare files: "I tried to transcribe pages of the Voynich manuscript, by the way, but it's still gibberish. It must use some sort of encryption that Precursor boxes can decode." - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 02:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)		:::::Almost forgot, there has been a mention after ''Atlantis'', the latest use was in ''Valhalla''{{'}}s SecureShare files: "I tried to transcribe pages of the Voynich manuscript, by the way, but it's still gibberish. It must use some sort of encryption that Precursor boxes can decode." - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 02:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
	::::::[sigh] Dammit. And that would overrule based on latest name basis, wouldn't it? Yes, it's a valid name, but why are we/the series ''still'' using it when we know more info about them now? There's literally only 6 pages that retain it in their titles: the box, the vague relics, the Reflex Bow (ACOD), the Habitation Expedition and Memo (ACU), and a database entry on Temples (ACCI)). – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 21:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)<br><br>Or can we still move it and view these mere handful of pages using "Precursor" as exceptions? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 21:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)		::::::[sigh] Dammit. And that would overrule based on latest name basis, wouldn't it? Yes, it's a valid name, but why are we/the series ''still'' using it when we know more info about them now? There's literally only 6 pages that retain it in their titles: the box, the vague relics, the Reflex Bow (ACOD), the Habitation Expedition and Memo (ACU), and a database entry on Temples (ACCI)). – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 21:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)<br><br>Or can we still move it and view these mere handful of pages using "Precursor" as exceptions? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 21:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
			It's not that the last used name in the latest source ''has'' to be the article title, Darman. Things can have more than one name. It's that in some cases, a later name can indicate a (soft or hard) retcon, a clarification, or an update in general. Clearly, both "Precursor box" and "Isu data cache" are valid names for this thing, and the latter, being a more explicit and newer name that appears in a relatively later source, in addition to an actual Isu setting, is probably a more proper name. In-universe, "Precursor box" is just what humans millennia later call it because they don't exactly what it is. In-universe, "Isu data cache" should be the more proper name. That having been said, my only doubt is whether all Precursor boxes are Isu data caches. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)