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	Thus, I would like to caution everyone from attaching too many political connotations to the term 天下 (''tiānxià'') but instead to treat it as a neutral and principally geographical term. Only recently did I learn that it was a common word for ''world'' in the Chinese language prior to Buddhism's arrival, when 世界 (''shìjiè''), a term translated from Sanskrit, replaced 天下 (''tiānxià'') as the everyday word for ''world''. I think there is a risk of always assuming that certain foreign words mean more than they really mean. For instance, my Mongolian best friend tells me that Westerners always think of ''khan'' as referring to a special type of ruler particular to nomadic tribes, but in the Mongolian language, ''khan'' just means "king" and is used for all kings, even European ones. Another example I gave off the top of my head is the Chinese word for ''train'', 火車 (''huǒchē''), which literally means "fire car". In translating 火車 (''huǒchē''), it would be incorrect to say "fire car" instead of just "train". Sometimes we can be so fixated on translating a term so literally, we fail to realize that for everyday people using that word, its meaning was really much simpler.		Thus, I would like to caution everyone from attaching too many political connotations to the term 天下 (''tiānxià'') but instead to treat it as a neutral and principally geographical term. Only recently did I learn that it was a common word for ''world'' in the Chinese language prior to Buddhism's arrival, when 世界 (''shìjiè''), a term translated from Sanskrit, replaced 天下 (''tiānxià'') as the everyday word for ''world''. I think there is a risk of always assuming that certain foreign words mean more than they really mean. For instance, my Mongolian best friend tells me that Westerners always think of ''khan'' as referring to a special type of ruler particular to nomadic tribes, but in the Mongolian language, ''khan'' just means "king" and is used for all kings, even European ones. Another example I gave off the top of my head is the Chinese word for ''train'', 火車 (''huǒchē''), which literally means "fire car". In translating 火車 (''huǒchē''), it would be incorrect to say "fire car" instead of just "train". Sometimes we can be so fixated on translating a term so literally, we fail to realize that for everyday people using that word, its meaning was really much simpler.

	It's possible then that 天下 (''tiānxià'') should be translated as simply "world" more often. In ''Dragon Ball (Z)'', 天下一武道会 (''Tenka'ichi Budōkai'') is also translated as the [[w:c:dragonball:World Martial Arts Tournament\|World Martial Arts Tournament]].		It's possible then that 天下 (''tiānxià'') should be translated as simply "world" more often. In ''Dragon Ball (Z)'', 天下一武道会 (''Tenka'ichi Budōkai'') is also translated as the [w:c:dragonball:World Martial Arts Tournament\|World Martial Arts Tournament].

	[[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] still maintains that we should either leave 天下 (''tiānxià'') untranslated here or translate it as ". . .under Heaven". Against my above arguments, I have come around to this view because I think it is possible that the intent behind 天下 (''tiānxià'') in the name of these vaults is poetic. Also, calling this a "world treasury" does not immediately make sense to me since these vaults are specific to the Chinese Assassins. 天下 (''tiānxià'') therefore may implicitly take on a more limited sense of the "''Chinese'' world". A simple translation as "world" could even be a stronger (and less safe) claim about its meaning.		[[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] still maintains that we should either leave 天下 (''tiānxià'') untranslated here or translate it as ". . .under Heaven". Against my above arguments, I have come around to this view because I think it is possible that the intent behind 天下 (''tiānxià'') in the name of these vaults is poetic. Also, calling this a "world treasury" does not immediately make sense to me since these vaults are specific to the Chinese Assassins. 天下 (''tiānxià'') therefore may implicitly take on a more limited sense of the "''Chinese'' world". A simple translation as "world" could even be a stronger (and less safe) claim about its meaning.

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	::::::::I mean I had also proposed leaving Tianxia as is. Also to mean "Under Heaven" sounds more natural probably because as an indoctrinated American I am used to the phrase "Under God". [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 26 March 2023 (UTC)		::::::::I mean I had also proposed leaving Tianxia as is. Also to mean "Under Heaven" sounds more natural probably because as an indoctrinated American I am used to the phrase "Under God". [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
	Sorry everyone, I forgot to check back on this. So is our final consensus "Northern Treasury Under Heaven" or "Northern Armory Under Heaven"? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:07, 18 May 2023 (UTC)		Sorry everyone, I forgot to check back on this. So is our final consensus "Northern Treasury Under Heaven" or "Northern Armory Under Heaven"? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:07, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
			:Just noting here that the decision to move the page to "Northern Treasury Under Heaven" was confirmed on Discord. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 06:48, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: Sol Pacificus moved page Talk:Northern Treasury of the World to Talk:Northern Treasury Under Heaven: Per talk page

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Sol Pacificus moved page Talk:Northern Treasury of the World to Talk:Northern Treasury Under Heaven: Per talk page

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	:::::::It's kind of funny because I actually think everything sounds clunky except for "Tianxia North Armory", but that sounds really boring while "The North Treasury Beneath Heaven" sounds just a bit more natural than "The Northern Treasury Under Heaven" but maybe more boring. Either way, I will have to trust the rest of you to rule on "coolness". o_o [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)		:::::::It's kind of funny because I actually think everything sounds clunky except for "Tianxia North Armory", but that sounds really boring while "The North Treasury Beneath Heaven" sounds just a bit more natural than "The Northern Treasury Under Heaven" but maybe more boring. Either way, I will have to trust the rest of you to rule on "coolness". o_o [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
	::::::::I mean I had also proposed leaving Tianxia as is. Also to mean "Under Heaven" sounds more natural probably because as an indoctrinated American I am used to the phrase "Under God". [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 26 March 2023 (UTC)		::::::::I mean I had also proposed leaving Tianxia as is. Also to mean "Under Heaven" sounds more natural probably because as an indoctrinated American I am used to the phrase "Under God". [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
			Sorry everyone, I forgot to check back on this. So is our final consensus "Northern Treasury Under Heaven" or "Northern Armory Under Heaven"? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:07, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

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	::::::I agree with Lacrosse as well, "under" sounds cooler.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:11, 25 March 2023 (UTC)		::::::I agree with Lacrosse as well, "under" sounds cooler.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:11, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
	:::::::It's kind of funny because I actually think everything sounds clunky except for "Tianxia North Armory", but that sounds really boring while "The North Treasury Beneath Heaven" sounds just a bit more natural than "The Northern Treasury Under Heaven" but maybe more boring. Either way, I will have to trust the rest of you to rule on "coolness". o_o [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)		:::::::It's kind of funny because I actually think everything sounds clunky except for "Tianxia North Armory", but that sounds really boring while "The North Treasury Beneath Heaven" sounds just a bit more natural than "The Northern Treasury Under Heaven" but maybe more boring. Either way, I will have to trust the rest of you to rule on "coolness". o_o [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
	::::::::I mean I had also proposed leaving Tianxia as is. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 26 March 2023 (UTC)		::::::::I mean I had also proposed leaving Tianxia as is. Also to mean "Under Heaven" sounds more natural probably because as an indoctrinated American I am used to the phrase "Under God". [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

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	::::::I agree with Lacrosse as well, "under" sounds cooler.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:11, 25 March 2023 (UTC)		::::::I agree with Lacrosse as well, "under" sounds cooler.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:11, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
	:::::::It's kind of funny because I actually think everything sounds clunky except for "Tianxia North Armory", but that sounds really boring while "The North Treasury Beneath Heaven" sounds just a bit more natural than "The Northern Treasury Under Heaven" but maybe more boring. Either way, I will have to trust the rest of you to rule on "coolness". o_o [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)		:::::::It's kind of funny because I actually think everything sounds clunky except for "Tianxia North Armory", but that sounds really boring while "The North Treasury Beneath Heaven" sounds just a bit more natural than "The Northern Treasury Under Heaven" but maybe more boring. Either way, I will have to trust the rest of you to rule on "coolness". o_o [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
			::::::::I mean I had also proposed leaving Tianxia as is. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

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	:::::I agree with Lacrosse, "under" over "beneath". - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 04:02, 25 March 2023 (UTC)		:::::I agree with Lacrosse, "under" over "beneath". - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 04:02, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
	::::::I agree with Lacrosse as well, "under" sounds cooler.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:11, 25 March 2023 (UTC)		::::::I agree with Lacrosse as well, "under" sounds cooler.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:11, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
			:::::::It's kind of funny because I actually think everything sounds clunky except for "Tianxia North Armory", but that sounds really boring while "The North Treasury Beneath Heaven" sounds just a bit more natural than "The Northern Treasury Under Heaven" but maybe more boring. Either way, I will have to trust the rest of you to rule on "coolness". o_o [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

imported>Cristophorus35: My stance on "under vs beneath"

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	::::I am fine with either "treasury" or "armory" but prefer "under" over (ha!) "beneath". [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 03:39, 25 March 2023 (UTC)		::::I am fine with either "treasury" or "armory" but prefer "under" over (ha!) "beneath". [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 03:39, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
	:::::I agree with Lacrosse, "under" over "beneath". - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 04:02, 25 March 2023 (UTC)		:::::I agree with Lacrosse, "under" over "beneath". - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 04:02, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
			::::::I agree with Lacrosse as well, "under" sounds cooler.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:11, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

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	:::I'm actually wavering between using ''treasury'' and ''armory'', but it just came to my mind that we can say "beneath Heaven" instead of "under Heaven". Do you guys think "Northern [Treasury/Sanctuary/Armory] Beneath Heaven" would sound more natural (or "cooler")? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:47, 25 March 2023 (UTC)		:::I'm actually wavering between using ''treasury'' and ''armory'', but it just came to my mind that we can say "beneath Heaven" instead of "under Heaven". Do you guys think "Northern [Treasury/Sanctuary/Armory] Beneath Heaven" would sound more natural (or "cooler")? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:47, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
	::::I am fine with either "treasury" or "armory" but prefer "under" over (ha!) "beneath". [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 03:39, 25 March 2023 (UTC)		::::I am fine with either "treasury" or "armory" but prefer "under" over (ha!) "beneath". [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 03:39, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
			:::::I agree with Lacrosse, "under" over "beneath". - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 04:02, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

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	::My vote goes for: "'''Northern sanctuary under Heaven'''", as my own proposal. And from the other alternatives mentioned above, my vote goes for "'''Northern armory under Heaven'''". It's true that Pei Min mentions the chamber contains also coins and other valuable goods, but the chamber features several armor sets and weapons mostly, so it's not really a case of exclusion if we decide to go for "''armory''. [[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 01:53, 24 March 2023 (UTC)		::My vote goes for: "'''Northern sanctuary under Heaven'''", as my own proposal. And from the other alternatives mentioned above, my vote goes for "'''Northern armory under Heaven'''". It's true that Pei Min mentions the chamber contains also coins and other valuable goods, but the chamber features several armor sets and weapons mostly, so it's not really a case of exclusion if we decide to go for "''armory''. [[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 01:53, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
	:::I'm actually wavering between using ''treasury'' and ''armory'', but it just came to my mind that we can say "beneath Heaven" instead of "under Heaven". Do you guys think "Northern [Treasury/Sanctuary/Armory] Beneath Heaven" would sound more natural (or "cooler")? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:47, 25 March 2023 (UTC)		:::I'm actually wavering between using ''treasury'' and ''armory'', but it just came to my mind that we can say "beneath Heaven" instead of "under Heaven". Do you guys think "Northern [Treasury/Sanctuary/Armory] Beneath Heaven" would sound more natural (or "cooler")? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:47, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
			::::I am fine with either "treasury" or "armory" but prefer "under" over (ha!) "beneath". [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 03:39, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

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	::::::::I mean I had also proposed leaving Tianxia as is. Also to mean "Under Heaven" sounds more natural probably because as an indoctrinated American I am used to the phrase "Under God". [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 26 March 2023 (UTC)		::::::::I mean I had also proposed leaving Tianxia as is. Also to mean "Under Heaven" sounds more natural probably because as an indoctrinated American I am used to the phrase "Under God". [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
	Sorry everyone, I forgot to check back on this. So is our final consensus "Northern Treasury Under Heaven" or "Northern Armory Under Heaven"? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:07, 18 May 2023 (UTC)		Sorry everyone, I forgot to check back on this. So is our final consensus "Northern Treasury Under Heaven" or "Northern Armory Under Heaven"? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:07, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
			:Just noting here that the decision to move the page to "Northern Treasury Under Heaven" was confirmed on Discord. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 06:48, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

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	:::::::It's kind of funny because I actually think everything sounds clunky except for "Tianxia North Armory", but that sounds really boring while "The North Treasury Beneath Heaven" sounds just a bit more natural than "The Northern Treasury Under Heaven" but maybe more boring. Either way, I will have to trust the rest of you to rule on "coolness". o_o [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)		:::::::It's kind of funny because I actually think everything sounds clunky except for "Tianxia North Armory", but that sounds really boring while "The North Treasury Beneath Heaven" sounds just a bit more natural than "The Northern Treasury Under Heaven" but maybe more boring. Either way, I will have to trust the rest of you to rule on "coolness". o_o [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
	::::::::I mean I had also proposed leaving Tianxia as is. Also to mean "Under Heaven" sounds more natural probably because as an indoctrinated American I am used to the phrase "Under God". [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 26 March 2023 (UTC)		::::::::I mean I had also proposed leaving Tianxia as is. Also to mean "Under Heaven" sounds more natural probably because as an indoctrinated American I am used to the phrase "Under God". [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
			Sorry everyone, I forgot to check back on this. So is our final consensus "Northern Treasury Under Heaven" or "Northern Armory Under Heaven"? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:07, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

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	::::::I agree with Lacrosse as well, "under" sounds cooler.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:11, 25 March 2023 (UTC)		::::::I agree with Lacrosse as well, "under" sounds cooler.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:11, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
	:::::::It's kind of funny because I actually think everything sounds clunky except for "Tianxia North Armory", but that sounds really boring while "The North Treasury Beneath Heaven" sounds just a bit more natural than "The Northern Treasury Under Heaven" but maybe more boring. Either way, I will have to trust the rest of you to rule on "coolness". o_o [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)		:::::::It's kind of funny because I actually think everything sounds clunky except for "Tianxia North Armory", but that sounds really boring while "The North Treasury Beneath Heaven" sounds just a bit more natural than "The Northern Treasury Under Heaven" but maybe more boring. Either way, I will have to trust the rest of you to rule on "coolness". o_o [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
	::::::::I mean I had also proposed leaving Tianxia as is. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 26 March 2023 (UTC)		::::::::I mean I had also proposed leaving Tianxia as is. Also to mean "Under Heaven" sounds more natural probably because as an indoctrinated American I am used to the phrase "Under God". [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

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	::::::I agree with Lacrosse as well, "under" sounds cooler.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:11, 25 March 2023 (UTC)		::::::I agree with Lacrosse as well, "under" sounds cooler.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:11, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
	:::::::It's kind of funny because I actually think everything sounds clunky except for "Tianxia North Armory", but that sounds really boring while "The North Treasury Beneath Heaven" sounds just a bit more natural than "The Northern Treasury Under Heaven" but maybe more boring. Either way, I will have to trust the rest of you to rule on "coolness". o_o [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)		:::::::It's kind of funny because I actually think everything sounds clunky except for "Tianxia North Armory", but that sounds really boring while "The North Treasury Beneath Heaven" sounds just a bit more natural than "The Northern Treasury Under Heaven" but maybe more boring. Either way, I will have to trust the rest of you to rule on "coolness". o_o [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
			::::::::I mean I had also proposed leaving Tianxia as is. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

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	:::::I agree with Lacrosse, "under" over "beneath". - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 04:02, 25 March 2023 (UTC)		:::::I agree with Lacrosse, "under" over "beneath". - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 04:02, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
	::::::I agree with Lacrosse as well, "under" sounds cooler.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:11, 25 March 2023 (UTC)		::::::I agree with Lacrosse as well, "under" sounds cooler.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:11, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
			:::::::It's kind of funny because I actually think everything sounds clunky except for "Tianxia North Armory", but that sounds really boring while "The North Treasury Beneath Heaven" sounds just a bit more natural than "The Northern Treasury Under Heaven" but maybe more boring. Either way, I will have to trust the rest of you to rule on "coolness". o_o [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)