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	I know we've discussed this before, but I don't remember what was our conclusion last time. Can we confirm that the "man in Montreal" in [[Database: Assassin Intel 5]] who was caught and killed actually refers to this individual? Intuitively, it should, but I always found it highly unlikely, almost impossible, that Juno, in selecting a specific individual to be her vessel, her body, would choose a male, especially if she wanted to be able to make love with [[Aita]] again.		I know we've discussed this before, but I don't remember what was our conclusion last time. Can we confirm that the "man in Montreal" in [[Database: Assassin Intel 5]] who was caught and killed actually refers to this individual? Intuitively, it should, but I always found it highly unlikely, almost impossible, that Juno, in selecting a specific individual to be her vessel, her body, would choose a male, especially if she wanted to be able to make love with [[Aita]] again.

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	With [[R-L]]. --[[User:Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#7575DB" face="OCR A" size="3">Kainzorus Prime</font>]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#4C99A6"><sup>Walkie-talkie</sup></font>]] 20:58, October 29, 2013 (UTC)		With [R-L]. --[[User:Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#7575DB" face="OCR A" size="3">Kainzorus Prime</font>]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#4C99A6"><sup>Walkie-talkie</sup></font>]] 20:58, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

	Don't merge with R-L let R-L's information transfer into Abstergo Entertainment research analyst --[[User:Cococrash11\|Cococrash11]] ([[User talk:Cococrash11\|talk]]) 02:57, October 30, 2013 (UTC)		Don't merge with R-L let R-L's information transfer into Abstergo Entertainment research analyst --[[User:Cococrash11\|Cococrash11]] ([[User talk:Cococrash11\|talk]]) 02:57, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

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	It comes up on multiple occassions if you look around. Look in the menu's and such. RedKorss 00:14, November 25, 2013 (UTC)		It comes up on multiple occassions if you look around. Look in the menu's and such. RedKorss 00:14, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

			== R-L ==

			Seriously where in the world did the name R-L come from. --[[User:Cococrash11\|Cococrash11]] ([[User talk:Cococrash11\|talk]]) 07:55, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

			:Real life. ;) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 10:26, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

			So is R-L the official name in the game. --[[User:Cococrash11\|Cococrash11]] ([[User talk:Cococrash11\|talk]]) 00:58, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

			I don't think so, the two names i've heard used are "Employee" and "Noob" so I get why they didn't use those.[[User:Gboy4\|Gboy4]] ([[User talk:Gboy4\|talk]]) 09:46, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

			A bit of clarification on how the name R-L ties to the main character would be nice. So far, I'm leaning towards "Noob", funny as it may be, since that's the only name we know this person by. {{User:Gabriel Auditore/sig}} 10:33, November 6, 2013 (UTC)
			:If we're going to use "R-L" then this should have a conjecture tag on it. Personally, I would prefer a more professional, more boring, and not so short name such as "Unnamed Abstergo Entertainment employee". --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 10:50, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

			Why not just go with "Research Analyst"? Isn't that who we've been repeatedly told we're playing in the Modern Day parts? [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:49, November 6, 2013 (UTC)
			:That would work. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 12:54, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

			==Gender==

			I'm with Maxattac, think it's safe to assume R-L is female, given that John chose her body as Juno's host, and does indeed make some flattering comment on her body in the final modern-day segment (I can't remember specifically what he said, but it was something I doubt a married reincarnation of Aita would say about a man). I think we need to draw a line between logical conclusions and speculation. [[User:Toa Makao\|<span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:18px;color:purple">'''Makao the Byzantine'''</span>]] {<small>[[User talk:Toa Makao\|<span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:18px;color:white">T/\L\|<</span>]]</small>} 11:41, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

			: Until canonically verified, R-L should remain genderless, imo. Another man's logic is another man's folly? ;) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:43, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

			::I agree with Sade. While the "slender body" does sort of point towards a woman, I believe the cry of pain when R-L is stabbed with the syringe sounds quite masculine (could've been John though, I wasn't too sure) so... For now, genderless seems the safest. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 13:46, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

			:::I guess, although it does seem odd that he'd want to put his wife from another life's mind/spirit/soul/whatever you want to call it into a man's body. [[User:Toa Makao\|<span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:18px;color:purple">'''Makao the Byzantine'''</span>]] {<small>[[User talk:Toa Makao\|<span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:18px;color:white">T/\L\|<</span>]]</small>} 13:47, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

			::::I wonder if the First Civ folk would be inclined to even tell the human genders apart that much... Or if it might've mattered at all outside of reproductive purposes. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:51, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

			:::::Well, biologically, the TWCB and humans aren't that different. They both have separate genders, who look fairly similar. So I suppose they might. [[User:Toa Makao\|<span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:18px;color:purple">'''Makao the Byzantine'''</span>]] {<small>[[User talk:Toa Makao\|<span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:18px;color:white">T/\L\|<</span>]]</small>} 14:22, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

			[[File:ACi-TooBusyForFavors.jpg\|thumb\|right\|200px\|Image from ''Initiates'']]
			As far as this image is concerned, the main character appears to be male. The part I'm referring to is ''"Ugh, I also saw John from IT calibrating '''his''' Animus Workstation."'' {{User:Gabriel Auditore/sig}} 10:33, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

			:When the gender of an individual is unidentified, it is common practice to use the masculine when referring to said individual (in the third person) for the sake of ease. A single mention of the word "his" isn't enough to confirm gender. As for the argument that Aita wouldn't want to place Juno inside a male's body; the guys been looking for her for 80,000 years, so I don't think a little thing like the sex of the host's body is going to make much difference to him. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 10:54, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

			:::Personally, I don't get why male-specific terms are used when the gender is unknown, especially when gender-neutral terms such as "they" or "them" are available (makes me think of sexism tbh). But you never know, if the employee happens to be male, Juno may just happen to desire a bit of hawt man-on-man action in her next body. [[User:Slate Vesper\|Slate Vesper]] ([[User talk:Slate Vesper\|talk]]) 00:31, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

			::You raise a valid argument, Jasca, but keep in mind - the gender may be unidentified to us, but it's not to these employees. In the same message, Jennifer says she caught a glimpse of the Noob. Pretty sure she'd be able to at least tell if it was a guy or a girl. {{User:Gabriel Auditore/sig}} 10:59, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

			:::You're working on the assumption that the player character isn't some sort of cross-dresser and that this Jennifer may well have simply mistaken their sex... we don't assume things here. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 11:39, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

			::::Fair enough XD {{User:Gabriel Auditore/sig}} 11:40, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

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	If we're being technical, this article should actually be titled "Noob" as weird as that sounds. This is because it is the only name, even if a silly nickname, used in an official source in reference to this character. By standard wiki sourcing policy, it qualifies by mere fact there is no better sourced name. A sourced name takes precedent before a less silly conjectural one. Besides, technically the [[Helix research analyst]] is also an Abstergo Entertainment research analyst. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:46, August 30, 2017 (UTC)		If we're being technical, this article should actually be titled "Noob" as weird as that sounds. This is because it is the only name, even if a silly nickname, used in an official source in reference to this character. By standard wiki sourcing policy, it qualifies by mere fact there is no better sourced name. A sourced name takes precedent before a less silly conjectural one. Besides, technically the [[Helix research analyst]] is also an Abstergo Entertainment research analyst. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:46, August 30, 2017 (UTC)

			== Death ==

			I know we've discussed this before, but I don't remember what was our conclusion last time. Can we confirm that the "man in Montreal" in [[Database: Assassin Intel 5]] who was caught and killed actually refers to this individual? Intuitively, it should, but I always found it highly unlikely, almost impossible, that Juno, in selecting a specific individual to be her vessel, her body, would choose a male, especially if she wanted to be able to make love with [[Aita]] again.

			As I recall, the earlier conclusion was that it referred to the Initiate sent to recover a blood vial in October 2013 according to ''[[Assassin's Creed: Initiates]]''. However, this Initiate had left after their mission was a success, and it has never been stated if they remained in Montreal.

			On the other hand, Assassin Intel 5 implies that the "man in Montreal" is an Initiate, not an Assassin since it says "monitored his communications with '''other''' Initiates". The ''Black Flag'' protagonist was more or less recruited by the Assassins by the end of the game as an informant ''before'' the Assassins discovered the existence of the Initiates and allied with them. Hence, this would mean that the ''Black Flag'' protagonist is an Assassin—even if not a field agent—not an Initiate, right? This is unless when the Assassins and Initiates teamed up, Assassin informants were transferred to the Initiates. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:23, June 20, 2018 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: Sol Pacificus moved page Talk:Abstergo Entertainment research analyst to Talk:Noob: Per sourcing policy. Canonical nickname, no matter how silly, over a wordy, descriptive name.

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	:The use of a singular ''they'' is not grammatically incorrect at all, unless you're willing to consider singular ''you'' as grammatically incorrect as well. ''They'' has been used as a singular since 1300s and only started drawing criticism from academic sources in the 19th century, though there was some far more reactionary complaints in previous centuries.		:The use of a singular ''they'' is not grammatically incorrect at all, unless you're willing to consider singular ''you'' as grammatically incorrect as well. ''They'' has been used as a singular since 1300s and only started drawing criticism from academic sources in the 19th century, though there was some far more reactionary complaints in previous centuries.
	:''They'' as a gender neutral singular is also not unseen in academic settings, and is quite commonly understood by anyone who cares. Language is, after all, not immutable (far from it actually) and strict adherence to grammar rules for the sake of it and at the cost of legibility and clarity is counter productive to the purpose of the wiki. In the case of the usage of ''they'' for unidentified individuals on the wiki, I believe it's a case of not fixing what isn't broken. — [[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 08:56, January 28, 2017 (UTC)		:''They'' as a gender neutral singular is also not unseen in academic settings, and is quite commonly understood by anyone who cares. Language is, after all, not immutable (far from it actually) and strict adherence to grammar rules for the sake of it and at the cost of legibility and clarity is counter productive to the purpose of the wiki. In the case of the usage of ''they'' for unidentified individuals on the wiki, I believe it's a case of not fixing what isn't broken. — [[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 08:56, January 28, 2017 (UTC)

			== "Noob" ==

			If we're being technical, this article should actually be titled "Noob" as weird as that sounds. This is because it is the only name, even if a silly nickname, used in an official source in reference to this character. By standard wiki sourcing policy, it qualifies by mere fact there is no better sourced name. A sourced name takes precedent before a less silly conjectural one. Besides, technically the [[Helix research analyst]] is also an Abstergo Entertainment research analyst. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:46, August 30, 2017 (UTC)

imported>Zero-ELEC: /* Gender pronoun */ Edit conflics! That's what happens when I try to be verbose...

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	:I'd stick with "they", to be honest. Academics can say all they want, they as a gender-neutral singular pronoun is increasingly common nowadays, to the point that it really shouldn't be regarded as incorrect. And, as you said, typing "he or she" continuously is tedious, while choosing either "he" or "she" would be presumptuous and confusing because we'd have to clarify that we don't actually know the research analyst's gender. So yeah, I think the article is good as is, on that front. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 08:32, January 28, 2017 (UTC)		:I'd stick with "they", to be honest. Academics can say all they want, they as a gender-neutral singular pronoun is increasingly common nowadays, to the point that it really shouldn't be regarded as incorrect. And, as you said, typing "he or she" continuously is tedious, while choosing either "he" or "she" would be presumptuous and confusing because we'd have to clarify that we don't actually know the research analyst's gender. So yeah, I think the article is good as is, on that front. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 08:32, January 28, 2017 (UTC)

			:The use of a singular ''they'' is not grammatically incorrect at all, unless you're willing to consider singular ''you'' as grammatically incorrect as well. ''They'' has been used as a singular since 1300s and only started drawing criticism from academic sources in the 19th century, though there was some far more reactionary complaints in previous centuries.
			:''They'' as a gender neutral singular is also not unseen in academic settings, and is quite commonly understood by anyone who cares. Language is, after all, not immutable (far from it actually) and strict adherence to grammar rules for the sake of it and at the cost of legibility and clarity is counter productive to the purpose of the wiki. In the case of the usage of ''they'' for unidentified individuals on the wiki, I believe it's a case of not fixing what isn't broken. — [[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 08:56, January 28, 2017 (UTC)

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	I just want to clarify whether you guys think that using the plural "them", "their", etc. should be our policy for this article and other characters of unidentified gender.		I just want to clarify whether you guys think that using the plural "them", "their", etc. should be our policy for this article and other characters of unidentified gender.

	In college, there's a very strict stance against this for individuals of unidentified genders. It's considered incorrect academically because at the end of the day, the individual is a single person, so the plural is wrong. However, obviously the reason why the plural is preferred is because typing "him or her" is too wordy and tedious in reading. Hence, the mistake is propagated by even professionals sometimes.		In college, there's a very strict stance against this for individuals of unidentified genders. It's considered incorrect academically because at the end of the day, the individual is a single person, so the plural is wrong. However, obviously the reason why the plural is preferred is because typing "him or her" is too wordy and tedious in reading. Hence, the mistake is propagated by even professionals sometimes.

	Colleges I know of tend to advise just choosing one gender arbitrarily: him or her, and allow the reader to understand it's not necessarily a male or a female that the choice of male or female pronoun is just a placeholder. In ''Star Wars'' reference books, not sure about ''Assassin's Creed'' ones, they do this, switching on and off between male and female pronouns for general individuals or individuals of unidentified genders.		Colleges I know of tend to advise just choosing one gender arbitrarily: him or her, and allow the reader to understand it's not necessarily a male or a female that the choice of male or female pronoun is just a placeholder. In ''Star Wars'' reference books, not sure about ''Assassin's Creed'' ones, they do this, switching on and off between male and female pronouns for general individuals or individuals of unidentified genders.

	The issue then lies in choosing which male or female pronoun, which some professors advise to just choose based on your own gender for convenience. However this policy is obviously not feasible here because we have multiple editors for the article and also we don't want to give the mistaken impression that we're claiming the analyst is male or female canonically. If we go this route, perhaps we can have a template clarifying that the gender is unknown, and that the gender pronoun we have chosen is not indicative of claiming that that is actually the analyst's gender, but then the problem of choosing which pronoun to use would still exist.		The issue then lies in choosing which male or female pronoun, which some professors advise to just choose based on your own gender for convenience. However this policy is obviously not feasible here because we have multiple editors for the article and also we don't want to give the mistaken impression that we're claiming the analyst is male or female canonically. If we go this route, perhaps we can have a template clarifying that the gender is unknown, and that the gender pronoun we have chosen is not indicative of claiming that that is actually the analyst's gender, but then the problem of choosing which pronoun to use would still exist.

	The other two options is obviously to keep on using the grammatically incorrect plural pronoun or to use the tedious "he or she". I just wanted clarification on your thoughts on this. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:17, January 28, 2017 (UTC)		The other two options is obviously to keep on using the grammatically incorrect plural pronoun or to use the tedious "he or she". I just wanted clarification on your thoughts on this. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:17, January 28, 2017 (UTC)

			:I'd stick with "they", to be honest. Academics can say all they want, they as a gender-neutral singular pronoun is increasingly common nowadays, to the point that it really shouldn't be regarded as incorrect. And, as you said, typing "he or she" continuously is tedious, while choosing either "he" or "she" would be presumptuous and confusing because we'd have to clarify that we don't actually know the research analyst's gender. So yeah, I think the article is good as is, on that front. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 08:32, January 28, 2017 (UTC)

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	Seriously where in the world did the name R-L come from. --[[User:Cococrash11\|Cococrash11]] ([[User talk:Cococrash11\|talk]]) 07:55, October 31, 2013 (UTC)		Seriously where in the world did the name R-L come from. --[[User:Cococrash11\|Cococrash11]] ([[User talk:Cococrash11\|talk]]) 07:55, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

	:Real life. ;) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 10:26, October 31, 2013 (UTC)		:Real life. ;) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 10:26, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

	So is R-L the official name in the game. --[[User:Cococrash11\|Cococrash11]] ([[User talk:Cococrash11\|talk]]) 00:58, November 6, 2013 (UTC)		So is R-L the official name in the game. --[[User:Cococrash11\|Cococrash11]] ([[User talk:Cococrash11\|talk]]) 00:58, November 6, 2013 (UTC)
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	:If we're going to use "R-L" then this should have a conjecture tag on it. Personally, I would prefer a more professional, more boring, and not so short name such as "Unnamed Abstergo Entertainment employee". --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 10:50, November 6, 2013 (UTC)		:If we're going to use "R-L" then this should have a conjecture tag on it. Personally, I would prefer a more professional, more boring, and not so short name such as "Unnamed Abstergo Entertainment employee". --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 10:50, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

	Why not just go with "Research Analyst"? Isn't that who we've been repeatedly told we're playing in the Modern Day parts? [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:49, November 6, 2013 (UTC)		Why not just go with "Research Analyst"? Isn't that who we've been repeatedly told we're playing in the Modern Day parts? [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:49, November 6, 2013 (UTC)
	:That would work. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 12:54, November 6, 2013 (UTC)		:That would work. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 12:54, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

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	I'm with Maxattac, think it's safe to assume R-L is female, given that John chose her body as Juno's host, and does indeed make some flattering comment on her body in the final modern-day segment (I can't remember specifically what he said, but it was something I doubt a married reincarnation of Aita would say about a man). I think we need to draw a line between logical conclusions and speculation. [[User:Toa Makao\|<span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:18px;color:purple">'''Makao the Byzantine'''</span>]] {<small>[[User talk:Toa Makao\|<span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:18px;color:white">T/\L\|<</span>]]</small>} 11:41, November 3, 2013 (UTC)		I'm with Maxattac, think it's safe to assume R-L is female, given that John chose her body as Juno's host, and does indeed make some flattering comment on her body in the final modern-day segment (I can't remember specifically what he said, but it was something I doubt a married reincarnation of Aita would say about a man). I think we need to draw a line between logical conclusions and speculation. [[User:Toa Makao\|<span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:18px;color:purple">'''Makao the Byzantine'''</span>]] {<small>[[User talk:Toa Makao\|<span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:18px;color:white">T/\L\|<</span>]]</small>} 11:41, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

	: Until canonically verified, R-L should remain genderless, imo. Another man's logic is another man's folly? ;) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:43, November 3, 2013 (UTC)		: Until canonically verified, R-L should remain genderless, imo. Another man's logic is another man's folly? ;) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:43, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

	::I agree with Sade. While the "slender body" does sort of point towards a woman, I believe the cry of pain when R-L is stabbed with the syringe sounds quite masculine (could've been John though, I wasn't too sure) so... For now, genderless seems the safest. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 13:46, November 3, 2013 (UTC)		::I agree with Sade. While the "slender body" does sort of point towards a woman, I believe the cry of pain when R-L is stabbed with the syringe sounds quite masculine (could've been John though, I wasn't too sure) so... For now, genderless seems the safest. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 13:46, November 3, 2013 (UTC)
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	:::I guess, although it does seem odd that he'd want to put his wife from another life's mind/spirit/soul/whatever you want to call it into a man's body. [[User:Toa Makao\|<span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:18px;color:purple">'''Makao the Byzantine'''</span>]] {<small>[[User talk:Toa Makao\|<span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:18px;color:white">T/\L\|<</span>]]</small>} 13:47, November 3, 2013 (UTC)		:::I guess, although it does seem odd that he'd want to put his wife from another life's mind/spirit/soul/whatever you want to call it into a man's body. [[User:Toa Makao\|<span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:18px;color:purple">'''Makao the Byzantine'''</span>]] {<small>[[User talk:Toa Makao\|<span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:18px;color:white">T/\L\|<</span>]]</small>} 13:47, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

	::::I wonder if the First Civ folk would be inclined to even tell the human genders apart that much... Or if it might've mattered at all outside of reproductive purposes. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:51, November 3, 2013 (UTC)		::::I wonder if the First Civ folk would be inclined to even tell the human genders apart that much... Or if it might've mattered at all outside of reproductive purposes. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:51, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

	:::::Well, biologically, the TWCB and humans aren't that different. They both have separate genders, who look fairly similar. So I suppose they might. [[User:Toa Makao\|<span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:18px;color:purple">'''Makao the Byzantine'''</span>]] {<small>[[User talk:Toa Makao\|<span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:18px;color:white">T/\L\|<</span>]]</small>} 14:22, November 3, 2013 (UTC)		:::::Well, biologically, the TWCB and humans aren't that different. They both have separate genders, who look fairly similar. So I suppose they might. [[User:Toa Makao\|<span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:18px;color:purple">'''Makao the Byzantine'''</span>]] {<small>[[User talk:Toa Makao\|<span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:18px;color:white">T/\L\|<</span>]]</small>} 14:22, November 3, 2013 (UTC)