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imported>Nanomat: /* Based on Historical Figure? */

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Based on Historical Figure?

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	::::I've managed to find the source:<br><br>''From America Worth recruited one Ned Wynert, alias Johnny Smith, described by the Pinkertons as a "clever, educated fellow and entirely unknown to the London police." Wynert was an astute, reliable rogue, but an inveterate womanizer. According to Shinburn, who never missed an opportunity to slander his rivals, Wynert was "married to a lady of a very respectable family. He treats her shamefully, spending all of his stealings on other women." For Worth's purposes he was the ideal henchman, as discreet in criminal matters as he was intemperate in emotional ones. Worth set up his new partner as a diamond merchant under the name Wynert & Co., in Hatton Garden, the heart of London's jewelry trade.''<br>(Excerpt taken from "The Napoleon of Crime: The Life and Times of Adam Worth, Master Thief" by Ben Macintyre, 1997, page 153. Ned is mentioned on pages 153, 153, 158, 159, 175, and 188.)<br><br>I assume this is the same Ned Wynert based on the name, his connection to Adam Worth, the American setting up shop in London, and the jewels. Do with this information what you wish. [[User:Nygma PI\|Nygma PI]] ([[User talk:Nygma PI\|talk]]) 01:31, 14 October 2023 (UTC)		::::I've managed to find the source:<br><br>''From America Worth recruited one Ned Wynert, alias Johnny Smith, described by the Pinkertons as a "clever, educated fellow and entirely unknown to the London police." Wynert was an astute, reliable rogue, but an inveterate womanizer. According to Shinburn, who never missed an opportunity to slander his rivals, Wynert was "married to a lady of a very respectable family. He treats her shamefully, spending all of his stealings on other women." For Worth's purposes he was the ideal henchman, as discreet in criminal matters as he was intemperate in emotional ones. Worth set up his new partner as a diamond merchant under the name Wynert & Co., in Hatton Garden, the heart of London's jewelry trade.''<br>(Excerpt taken from "The Napoleon of Crime: The Life and Times of Adam Worth, Master Thief" by Ben Macintyre, 1997, page 153. Ned is mentioned on pages 153, 153, 158, 159, 175, and 188.)<br><br>I assume this is the same Ned Wynert based on the name, his connection to Adam Worth, the American setting up shop in London, and the jewels. Do with this information what you wish. [[User:Nygma PI\|Nygma PI]] ([[User talk:Nygma PI\|talk]]) 01:31, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

			:::::Another [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Allen_(trans_man) possible inspiration]. [[User:Nanomat\|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat\|talk]]) 20:56, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

imported>Nygma PI at 01:31, 14 October 2023

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	:Seconding this. Where did this come from? The closest that I can find to this online is that Adam Worth had an associate named Johnny Curtin, who seduced his wife. But nowhere is that linked to Ned??? The linked interview that discusses Ned heavily doesn't reference him as a historical character at all... Personally, I would say he is more based likely based on James Barry, who was a real life male surgeon of the time, who rose to the second-highest medical office in the British Army, and who was discovered after death to be have female physical features. --[[User:CarloGrimaldi\|CarloGrimaldi]] ([[User talk:CarloGrimaldi\|talk]]) 23:36, 11 July 2022 (UTC)		:Seconding this. Where did this come from? The closest that I can find to this online is that Adam Worth had an associate named Johnny Curtin, who seduced his wife. But nowhere is that linked to Ned??? The linked interview that discusses Ned heavily doesn't reference him as a historical character at all... Personally, I would say he is more based likely based on James Barry, who was a real life male surgeon of the time, who rose to the second-highest medical office in the British Army, and who was discovered after death to be have female physical features. --[[User:CarloGrimaldi\|CarloGrimaldi]] ([[User talk:CarloGrimaldi\|talk]]) 23:36, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
	:::That's a possibility, but unlikely. Beyond both James and Ned being trans men from the Victorian era, I cannot see any other connection between them, since one was a top surgeon and the other is black-market contact who's a train aficionado. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 02:50, 12 July 2022 (UTC)<br><br>Honestly, I'm surprised it was unsourced for so long, but then, there's so much stuff to do here and not enough folks to do it, so it obviously slipped between the cracks. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 02:55, 12 July 2022 (UTC)		:::That's a possibility, but unlikely. Beyond both James and Ned being trans men from the Victorian era, I cannot see any other connection between them, since one was a top surgeon and the other is black-market contact who's a train aficionado. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 02:50, 12 July 2022 (UTC)<br><br>Honestly, I'm surprised it was unsourced for so long, but then, there's so much stuff to do here and not enough folks to do it, so it obviously slipped between the cracks. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 02:55, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

			::::I've managed to find the source:<br><br>''From America Worth recruited one Ned Wynert, alias Johnny Smith, described by the Pinkertons as a "clever, educated fellow and entirely unknown to the London police." Wynert was an astute, reliable rogue, but an inveterate womanizer. According to Shinburn, who never missed an opportunity to slander his rivals, Wynert was "married to a lady of a very respectable family. He treats her shamefully, spending all of his stealings on other women." For Worth's purposes he was the ideal henchman, as discreet in criminal matters as he was intemperate in emotional ones. Worth set up his new partner as a diamond merchant under the name Wynert & Co., in Hatton Garden, the heart of London's jewelry trade.''<br>(Excerpt taken from "The Napoleon of Crime: The Life and Times of Adam Worth, Master Thief" by Ben Macintyre, 1997, page 153. Ned is mentioned on pages 153, 153, 158, 159, 175, and 188.)<br><br>I assume this is the same Ned Wynert based on the name, his connection to Adam Worth, the American setting up shop in London, and the jewels. Do with this information what you wish. [[User:Nygma PI\|Nygma PI]] ([[User talk:Nygma PI\|talk]]) 01:31, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

imported>Darman36: /* Based on Historical Figure? */

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	:Seconding this. Where did this come from? The closest that I can find to this online is that Adam Worth had an associate named Johnny Curtin, who seduced his wife. But nowhere is that linked to Ned??? The linked interview that discusses Ned heavily doesn't reference him as a historical character at all... Personally, I would say he is more based likely based on James Barry, who was a real life male surgeon of the time, who rose to the second-highest medical office in the British Army, and who was discovered after death to be have female physical features. --[[User:CarloGrimaldi\|CarloGrimaldi]] ([[User talk:CarloGrimaldi\|talk]]) 23:36, 11 July 2022 (UTC)		:Seconding this. Where did this come from? The closest that I can find to this online is that Adam Worth had an associate named Johnny Curtin, who seduced his wife. But nowhere is that linked to Ned??? The linked interview that discusses Ned heavily doesn't reference him as a historical character at all... Personally, I would say he is more based likely based on James Barry, who was a real life male surgeon of the time, who rose to the second-highest medical office in the British Army, and who was discovered after death to be have female physical features. --[[User:CarloGrimaldi\|CarloGrimaldi]] ([[User talk:CarloGrimaldi\|talk]]) 23:36, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
	:::That's a possibility, but unlikely. Beyond both James and Ned being trans men from the Victorian era, I cannot see any other connection between them, since one was a top surgeon and the other is black-market contact who's a train aficionado. –		:::That's a possibility, but unlikely. Beyond both James and Ned being trans men from the Victorian era, I cannot see any other connection between them, since one was a top surgeon and the other is black-market contact who's a train aficionado. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 02:50, 12 July 2022 (UTC)<br><br>Honestly, I'm surprised it was unsourced for so long, but then, there's so much stuff to do here and not enough folks to do it, so it obviously slipped between the cracks. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 02:55, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

imported>Darman36 at 02:50, 12 July 2022

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	==Based on Historical Figure?==		==Based on Historical Figure?==
	Where did you guys get the trivia that Wynert was based on a historical figure? I saw that this was added by a user back in 2015, but the trivia listed was no citation and any search online yields no results to a real life figure going by this name.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik\|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik\|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 21:54, 4 December 2021 (UTC)		Where did you guys get the trivia that Wynert was based on a historical figure? I saw that this was added by a user back in 2015, but the trivia listed was no citation and any search online yields no results to a real life figure going by this name.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik\|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik\|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 21:54, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

	Seconding this. Where did this come from? The closest that I can find to this online is that Adam Worth had an associate named Johnny Curtin, who seduced his wife. But nowhere is that linked to Ned??? The linked interview that discusses Ned heavily doesn't reference him as a historical character at all... Personally, I would say he is more based likely based on James Barry, who was a real life male surgeon of the time, who rose to the second-highest medical office in the British Army, and who was discovered after death to be ~~biologically~~ female.		:Seconding this. Where did this come from? The closest that I can find to this online is that Adam Worth had an associate named Johnny Curtin, who seduced his wife. But nowhere is that linked to Ned??? The linked interview that discusses Ned heavily doesn't reference him as a historical character at all... Personally, I would say he is more based likely based on James Barry, who was a real life male surgeon of the time, who rose to the second-highest medical office in the British Army, and who was discovered after death to be have female physical features. --[[User:CarloGrimaldi\|CarloGrimaldi]] ([[User talk:CarloGrimaldi\|talk]]) 23:36, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
	--[[User:CarloGrimaldi\|CarloGrimaldi]] ([[User talk:CarloGrimaldi\|talk]]) 23:36, 11 July 2022 (UTC)		:::That's a possibility, but unlikely. Beyond both James and Ned being trans men from the Victorian era, I cannot see any other connection between them, since one was a top surgeon and the other is black-market contact who's a train aficionado. –

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	Seconding this. Where did this come from? The closest that I can find to this online is that Adam Worth had an associate named Johnny Curtin, who seduced his wife. But nowhere is that linked to Ned??? The linked interview that discusses Ned heavily doesn't reference him as a historical character at all... Personally, I would say he is more based likely based on James Barry, who was a real life male surgeon of the time, who rose to the second-highest medical office in the British Army, and who was discovered after death to be biologically female.		Seconding this. Where did this come from? The closest that I can find to this online is that Adam Worth had an associate named Johnny Curtin, who seduced his wife. But nowhere is that linked to Ned??? The linked interview that discusses Ned heavily doesn't reference him as a historical character at all... Personally, I would say he is more based likely based on James Barry, who was a real life male surgeon of the time, who rose to the second-highest medical office in the British Army, and who was discovered after death to be biologically female.
	[[User:CarloGrimaldi\|CarloGrimaldi]] ([[User talk:CarloGrimaldi\|talk]]) 23:36, 11 July 2022 (UTC)		--[[User:CarloGrimaldi\|CarloGrimaldi]] ([[User talk:CarloGrimaldi\|talk]]) 23:36, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

imported>CarloGrimaldi: /* Based on Historical Figure? */

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	Where did you guys get the trivia that Wynert was based on a historical figure? I saw that this was added by a user back in 2015, but the trivia listed was no citation and any search online yields no results to a real life figure going by this name.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik\|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik\|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 21:54, 4 December 2021 (UTC)		Where did you guys get the trivia that Wynert was based on a historical figure? I saw that this was added by a user back in 2015, but the trivia listed was no citation and any search online yields no results to a real life figure going by this name.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik\|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik\|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 21:54, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

			Seconding this. Where did this come from? The closest that I can find to this online is that Adam Worth had an associate named Johnny Curtin, who seduced his wife. But nowhere is that linked to Ned??? The linked interview that discusses Ned heavily doesn't reference him as a historical character at all... Personally, I would say he is more based likely based on James Barry, who was a real life male surgeon of the time, who rose to the second-highest medical office in the British Army, and who was discovered after death to be biologically female.
			[[User:CarloGrimaldi\|CarloGrimaldi]] ([[User talk:CarloGrimaldi\|talk]]) 23:36, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

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	Where did you guys get the trivia that Wynert was based on a historical figure? I saw that this was added by a user back in 2015, but the trivia listed was no citation and any search online yields no results to a real life figure going by this name.'''[[User:NinjaSheik\|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik\|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 21:54, 4 December 2021 (UTC)		Where did you guys get the trivia that Wynert was based on a historical figure? I saw that this was added by a user back in 2015, but the trivia listed was no citation and any search online yields no results to a real life figure going by this name.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik\|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik\|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 21:54, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

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==Based on Historical Figure?==
Where did you guys get the trivia that Wynert was based on a historical figure? I saw that this was added by a user back in 2015, but the trivia listed was no citation and any search online yields no results to a real life figure going by this name.'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 21:54, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

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	:Seconding this. Where did this come from? The closest that I can find to this online is that Adam Worth had an associate named Johnny Curtin, who seduced his wife. But nowhere is that linked to Ned??? The linked interview that discusses Ned heavily doesn't reference him as a historical character at all... Personally, I would say he is more based likely based on James Barry, who was a real life male surgeon of the time, who rose to the second-highest medical office in the British Army, and who was discovered after death to be have female physical features. --[[User:CarloGrimaldi\|CarloGrimaldi]] ([[User talk:CarloGrimaldi\|talk]]) 23:36, 11 July 2022 (UTC)		:Seconding this. Where did this come from? The closest that I can find to this online is that Adam Worth had an associate named Johnny Curtin, who seduced his wife. But nowhere is that linked to Ned??? The linked interview that discusses Ned heavily doesn't reference him as a historical character at all... Personally, I would say he is more based likely based on James Barry, who was a real life male surgeon of the time, who rose to the second-highest medical office in the British Army, and who was discovered after death to be have female physical features. --[[User:CarloGrimaldi\|CarloGrimaldi]] ([[User talk:CarloGrimaldi\|talk]]) 23:36, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
	:::That's a possibility, but unlikely. Beyond both James and Ned being trans men from the Victorian era, I cannot see any other connection between them, since one was a top surgeon and the other is black-market contact who's a train aficionado. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 02:50, 12 July 2022 (UTC)<br><br>Honestly, I'm surprised it was unsourced for so long, but then, there's so much stuff to do here and not enough folks to do it, so it obviously slipped between the cracks. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 02:55, 12 July 2022 (UTC)		:::That's a possibility, but unlikely. Beyond both James and Ned being trans men from the Victorian era, I cannot see any other connection between them, since one was a top surgeon and the other is black-market contact who's a train aficionado. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 02:50, 12 July 2022 (UTC)<br><br>Honestly, I'm surprised it was unsourced for so long, but then, there's so much stuff to do here and not enough folks to do it, so it obviously slipped between the cracks. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 02:55, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

			::::I've managed to find the source:<br><br>''From America Worth recruited one Ned Wynert, alias Johnny Smith, described by the Pinkertons as a "clever, educated fellow and entirely unknown to the London police." Wynert was an astute, reliable rogue, but an inveterate womanizer. According to Shinburn, who never missed an opportunity to slander his rivals, Wynert was "married to a lady of a very respectable family. He treats her shamefully, spending all of his stealings on other women." For Worth's purposes he was the ideal henchman, as discreet in criminal matters as he was intemperate in emotional ones. Worth set up his new partner as a diamond merchant under the name Wynert & Co., in Hatton Garden, the heart of London's jewelry trade.''<br>(Excerpt taken from "The Napoleon of Crime: The Life and Times of Adam Worth, Master Thief" by Ben Macintyre, 1997, page 153. Ned is mentioned on pages 153, 153, 158, 159, 175, and 188.)<br><br>I assume this is the same Ned Wynert based on the name, his connection to Adam Worth, the American setting up shop in London, and the jewels. Do with this information what you wish. [[User:Nygma PI\|Nygma PI]] ([[User talk:Nygma PI\|talk]]) 01:31, 14 October 2023 (UTC)