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	I, for one, agree with the merge proposal. On the other hand, though, 'Medusa' is as much a unique character in the mythology as, say, Ligeia. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 11:19, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		I, for one, agree with the merge proposal. On the other hand, though, 'Medusa' is as much a unique character in the mythology as, say, Ligeia. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 11:19, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
	:We are trying to determine if Medusa was just a previous holder of the Prize and thus earlier incarnation of the Writhing Dread and Zero-elec asked Mel via twitter who in barely understandable English seems to confirm that Medusa was her own person that was corrupted by the artifact just as Ligeia was her own person corrupted by the artifact. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:26, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		:We are trying to determine if Medusa was just a previous holder of the Prize and thus earlier incarnation of the Writhing Dread and Zero-elec asked Mel via twitter who in barely understandable English seems to confirm that Medusa was her own person that was corrupted by the artifact just as Ligeia was her own person corrupted by the artifact. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:26, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
	::The Tweet confirms that the Writhing Dread that Perseus defeated was an individual consumed by the artifact, just like Ligeia. It doesn't confirm that Medusa was the birth name of the individual who he defeated though. This means that the name Medusa is still likely one attributed to the beast, rather than the transumated host. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 13:24, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		::The Tweet confirms that the Writhing Dread that Perseus defeated was an individual consumed by the artifact, just like Ligeia. It doesn't confirm that Medusa was the birth name of the individual who he defeated though. This means that the name Medusa is still likely one attributed to the beast, rather than the transumated host. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 13:24, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

imported>Zero-ELEC: /* Merge */ Hard disagree

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	Of course another possibility is that Medusa, being the most famous of the Writhing Dread, lent her name in death to the hybrid beasts. However, even if this were the case, if the individual who became a gorgon and was slain by Perseus is attested in ''Assassin's Creed'', she merits an article. If so, then there is no other name for that article but Medusa, even if it has to be conjectural. An article with this individual slain by Perseus as the topic is not the same as an article with the creature as the topic. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:44, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		Of course another possibility is that Medusa, being the most famous of the Writhing Dread, lent her name in death to the hybrid beasts. However, even if this were the case, if the individual who became a gorgon and was slain by Perseus is attested in ''Assassin's Creed'', she merits an article. If so, then there is no other name for that article but Medusa, even if it has to be conjectural. An article with this individual slain by Perseus as the topic is not the same as an article with the creature as the topic. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:44, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
	:Hence, naming aside, an article about the individual, if she is attested in the series, has to remain separate from an article about the monster, just as the article about Ligeia is different. To merge the two articles is to delete the article on the individual slain by Perseus entirely which is only in accordance with policy if she isn't mentioned in ''Assassin's Creed'' at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:54, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		:Hence, naming aside, an article about the individual, if she is attested in the series, has to remain separate from an article about the monster, just as the article about Ligeia is different. To merge the two articles is to delete the article on the individual slain by Perseus entirely which is only in accordance with policy if she isn't mentioned in ''Assassin's Creed'' at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:54, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

			Definitely disagree with the merge, it is directly stated in-game that the Writhing Dread is a "curse" placed upon whoever touches the artefact and now confirmed by Mel MacCoubrey that Medusa was, in fact, a previous holder of the artefact. Sol laid it out pretty well above this, tbh. — [[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 21:09, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

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	::::That may have been what Zero-Elec meant to ask, but it wasn't what he actually ''did'' ask. Nor is it what Mel responded. He asked if Medusa, the creature killed by Perseus, was an individual taken over by the artifact (which we already knew to be the case), not if that name "Medusa" was the name of the human taken over. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 14:08, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		::::That may have been what Zero-Elec meant to ask, but it wasn't what he actually ''did'' ask. Nor is it what Mel responded. He asked if Medusa, the creature killed by Perseus, was an individual taken over by the artifact (which we already knew to be the case), not if that name "Medusa" was the name of the human taken over. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 14:08, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
	:::::Okay then we need someone to go onto that thread and ask for further clarification then because she didn’t say Medusa = Writhing Dread either. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 14:17, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		:::::Okay then we need someone to go onto that thread and ask for further clarification then because she didn’t say Medusa = Writhing Dread either. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 14:17, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
	::::::Didn't we also already say that another name of the creature as confirmed by ''Odyssey'' is—true to Greek mythology—''gorgon''? We already discussed this entirely a few weeks before. Even if it is not confirmed that Medusa is the name of the individual who was killed by Perseus after transforming into a gorgon, the fact that this is actually the case in original Greek mythology means that the safer option is that the burden of proof should be on the name ''Medusa'' being another name for ''gorgon''. As I've already mentioned previously, there is a wide prevailing misconception that Medusa in Greek mythology is the name of a monster rather than a specific individual who was one of three of those monsters known. The actual name of ''gorgon'' is not as well known and so it is highly probable, even expected, of Ubisoft to use the name ''Medusa'' for marketing reasons. Hence, this use of the name for the Writhing ~~Dead~~ outside of the actual in-game content should not be treated as hard proof that Writhing ~~Deads~~ were also called Medusas. The burden of proof falls squarely on this, not on demonstrating that Medusa is the name of an individual who transformed into a gorgon. Absent proof of the latter, we can leave it ambiguous, but it would not be a good idea to assume that Medusa = Writhing ~~Dead~~ without very solid proof because it convolutes the lore's relation with the myth by contradicting it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:39, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		::::::Didn't we also already say that another name of the creature as confirmed by ''Odyssey'' is—true to Greek mythology—''gorgon''? We already discussed this entirely a few weeks before. Even if it is not confirmed that Medusa is the name of the individual who was killed by Perseus after transforming into a gorgon, the fact that this is actually the case in original Greek mythology means that the safer option is that the burden of proof should be on the name ''Medusa'' being another name for ''gorgon''. As I've already mentioned previously, there is a wide prevailing misconception that Medusa in Greek mythology is the name of a monster rather than a specific individual who was one of three of those monsters known. The actual name of ''gorgon'' is not as well known and so it is highly probable, even expected, of Ubisoft to use the name ''Medusa'' for marketing reasons. Hence, this use of the name for the Writhing Dread outside of the actual in-game content should not be treated as hard proof that Writhing Dreads were also called Medusas. The burden of proof falls squarely on this, not on demonstrating that Medusa is the name of an individual who transformed into a gorgon. Absent proof of the latter, we can leave it ambiguous, but it would not be a good idea to assume that Medusa = Writhing Dread without very solid proof because it convolutes the lore's relation with the myth by contradicting it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:39, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
	Of course another possibility is that Medusa, being the most famous of the Writhing ~~Dead~~, lent her name in death to the hybrid beasts. However, even if this were the case, if the individual who became a gorgon and was slain by Perseus is attested in ''Assassin's Creed'', she merits an article. If so, then there is no other name for that article but Medusa, even if it has to be conjectural. An article with this individual slain by Perseus as the topic is not the same as an article with the creature as the topic. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:44, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		Of course another possibility is that Medusa, being the most famous of the Writhing Dread, lent her name in death to the hybrid beasts. However, even if this were the case, if the individual who became a gorgon and was slain by Perseus is attested in ''Assassin's Creed'', she merits an article. If so, then there is no other name for that article but Medusa, even if it has to be conjectural. An article with this individual slain by Perseus as the topic is not the same as an article with the creature as the topic. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:44, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
	:Hence, naming aside, an article about the individual, if she is attested in the series, has to remain separate from an article about the monster, just as the article about Ligeia is different. To merge the two articles is to delete the article on the individual slain by Perseus entirely which is only in accordance with policy if she isn't mentioned in ''Assassin's Creed'' at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:54, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		:Hence, naming aside, an article about the individual, if she is attested in the series, has to remain separate from an article about the monster, just as the article about Ligeia is different. To merge the two articles is to delete the article on the individual slain by Perseus entirely which is only in accordance with policy if she isn't mentioned in ''Assassin's Creed'' at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:54, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

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	::::::Didn't we also already say that another name of the creature as confirmed by ''Odyssey'' is—true to Greek mythology—''gorgon''? We already discussed this entirely a few weeks before. Even if it is not confirmed that Medusa is the name of the individual who was killed by Perseus after transforming into a gorgon, the fact that this is actually the case in original Greek mythology means that the safer option is that the burden of proof should be on the name ''Medusa'' being another name for ''gorgon''. As I've already mentioned previously, there is a wide prevailing misconception that Medusa in Greek mythology is the name of a monster rather than a specific individual who was one of three of those monsters known. The actual name of ''gorgon'' is not as well known and so it is highly probable, even expected, of Ubisoft to use the name ''Medusa'' for marketing reasons. Hence, this use of the name for the Writhing Dead outside of the actual in-game content should not be treated as hard proof that Writhing Deads were also called Medusas. The burden of proof falls squarely on this, not on demonstrating that Medusa is the name of an individual who transformed into a gorgon. Absent proof of the latter, we can leave it ambiguous, but it would not be a good idea to assume that Medusa = Writhing Dead without very solid proof because it convolutes the lore's relation with the myth by contradicting it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:39, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		::::::Didn't we also already say that another name of the creature as confirmed by ''Odyssey'' is—true to Greek mythology—''gorgon''? We already discussed this entirely a few weeks before. Even if it is not confirmed that Medusa is the name of the individual who was killed by Perseus after transforming into a gorgon, the fact that this is actually the case in original Greek mythology means that the safer option is that the burden of proof should be on the name ''Medusa'' being another name for ''gorgon''. As I've already mentioned previously, there is a wide prevailing misconception that Medusa in Greek mythology is the name of a monster rather than a specific individual who was one of three of those monsters known. The actual name of ''gorgon'' is not as well known and so it is highly probable, even expected, of Ubisoft to use the name ''Medusa'' for marketing reasons. Hence, this use of the name for the Writhing Dead outside of the actual in-game content should not be treated as hard proof that Writhing Deads were also called Medusas. The burden of proof falls squarely on this, not on demonstrating that Medusa is the name of an individual who transformed into a gorgon. Absent proof of the latter, we can leave it ambiguous, but it would not be a good idea to assume that Medusa = Writhing Dead without very solid proof because it convolutes the lore's relation with the myth by contradicting it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:39, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
	Of course another possibility is that Medusa, being the most famous of the Writhing Dead, lent her name in death to the hybrid beasts. However, even if this were the case, if the individual who became a gorgon and was slain by Perseus is attested in ''Assassin's Creed'', she merits an article. If so, then there is no other name for that article but Medusa, even if it has to be conjectural. An article with this individual slain by Perseus as the topic is not the same as an article with the creature as the topic. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:44, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		Of course another possibility is that Medusa, being the most famous of the Writhing Dead, lent her name in death to the hybrid beasts. However, even if this were the case, if the individual who became a gorgon and was slain by Perseus is attested in ''Assassin's Creed'', she merits an article. If so, then there is no other name for that article but Medusa, even if it has to be conjectural. An article with this individual slain by Perseus as the topic is not the same as an article with the creature as the topic. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:44, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
			:Hence, naming aside, an article about the individual, if she is attested in the series, has to remain separate from an article about the monster, just as the article about Ligeia is different. To merge the two articles is to delete the article on the individual slain by Perseus entirely which is only in accordance with policy if she isn't mentioned in ''Assassin's Creed'' at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:54, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

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	:::::Okay then we need someone to go onto that thread and ask for further clarification then because she didn’t say Medusa = Writhing Dread either. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 14:17, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		:::::Okay then we need someone to go onto that thread and ask for further clarification then because she didn’t say Medusa = Writhing Dread either. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 14:17, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
	::::::Didn't we also already say that another name of the creature as confirmed by ''Odyssey'' is—true to Greek mythology—''gorgon''? We already discussed this entirely a few weeks before. Even if it is not confirmed that Medusa is the name of the individual who was killed by Perseus after transforming into a gorgon, the fact that this is actually the case in original Greek mythology means that the safer option is that the burden of proof should be on the name ''Medusa'' being another name for ''gorgon''. As I've already mentioned previously, there is a wide prevailing misconception that Medusa in Greek mythology is the name of a monster rather than a specific individual who was one of three of those monsters known. The actual name of ''gorgon'' is not as well known and so it is highly probable, even expected, of Ubisoft to use the name ''Medusa'' for marketing reasons. Hence, this use of the name for the Writhing Dead outside of the actual in-game content should not be treated as hard proof that Writhing Deads were also called Medusas. The burden of proof falls squarely on this, not on demonstrating that Medusa is the name of an individual who transformed into a gorgon. Absent proof of the latter, we can leave it ambiguous, but it would not be a good idea to assume that Medusa = Writhing Dead without very solid proof because it convolutes the lore's relation with the myth by contradicting it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:39, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		::::::Didn't we also already say that another name of the creature as confirmed by ''Odyssey'' is—true to Greek mythology—''gorgon''? We already discussed this entirely a few weeks before. Even if it is not confirmed that Medusa is the name of the individual who was killed by Perseus after transforming into a gorgon, the fact that this is actually the case in original Greek mythology means that the safer option is that the burden of proof should be on the name ''Medusa'' being another name for ''gorgon''. As I've already mentioned previously, there is a wide prevailing misconception that Medusa in Greek mythology is the name of a monster rather than a specific individual who was one of three of those monsters known. The actual name of ''gorgon'' is not as well known and so it is highly probable, even expected, of Ubisoft to use the name ''Medusa'' for marketing reasons. Hence, this use of the name for the Writhing Dead outside of the actual in-game content should not be treated as hard proof that Writhing Deads were also called Medusas. The burden of proof falls squarely on this, not on demonstrating that Medusa is the name of an individual who transformed into a gorgon. Absent proof of the latter, we can leave it ambiguous, but it would not be a good idea to assume that Medusa = Writhing Dead without very solid proof because it convolutes the lore's relation with the myth by contradicting it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:39, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
			Of course another possibility is that Medusa, being the most famous of the Writhing Dead, lent her name in death to the hybrid beasts. However, even if this were the case, if the individual who became a gorgon and was slain by Perseus is attested in ''Assassin's Creed'', she merits an article. If so, then there is no other name for that article but Medusa, even if it has to be conjectural. An article with this individual slain by Perseus as the topic is not the same as an article with the creature as the topic. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:44, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

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	I, for one, agree with the merge proposal. On the other hand, though, 'Medusa' is as much a unique character in the mythology as, say, Ligeia. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 11:19, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		I, for one, agree with the merge proposal. On the other hand, though, 'Medusa' is as much a unique character in the mythology as, say, Ligeia. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 11:19, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
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	::::That may have been what Zero-Elec meant to ask, but it wasn't what he actually ''did'' ask. Nor is it what Mel responded. He asked if Medusa, the creature killed by Perseus, was an individual taken over by the artifact (which we already knew to be the case), not if that name "Medusa" was the name of the human taken over. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 14:08, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		::::That may have been what Zero-Elec meant to ask, but it wasn't what he actually ''did'' ask. Nor is it what Mel responded. He asked if Medusa, the creature killed by Perseus, was an individual taken over by the artifact (which we already knew to be the case), not if that name "Medusa" was the name of the human taken over. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 14:08, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
	:::::Okay then we need someone to go onto that thread and ask for further clarification then because she didn’t say Medusa = Writhing Dread either. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 14:17, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		:::::Okay then we need someone to go onto that thread and ask for further clarification then because she didn’t say Medusa = Writhing Dread either. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 14:17, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
			::::::Didn't we also already say that another name of the creature as confirmed by ''Odyssey'' is—true to Greek mythology—''gorgon''? We already discussed this entirely a few weeks before. Even if it is not confirmed that Medusa is the name of the individual who was killed by Perseus after transforming into a gorgon, the fact that this is actually the case in original Greek mythology means that the safer option is that the burden of proof should be on the name ''Medusa'' being another name for ''gorgon''. As I've already mentioned previously, there is a wide prevailing misconception that Medusa in Greek mythology is the name of a monster rather than a specific individual who was one of three of those monsters known. The actual name of ''gorgon'' is not as well known and so it is highly probable, even expected, of Ubisoft to use the name ''Medusa'' for marketing reasons. Hence, this use of the name for the Writhing Dead outside of the actual in-game content should not be treated as hard proof that Writhing Deads were also called Medusas. The burden of proof falls squarely on this, not on demonstrating that Medusa is the name of an individual who transformed into a gorgon. Absent proof of the latter, we can leave it ambiguous, but it would not be a good idea to assume that Medusa = Writhing Dead without very solid proof because it convolutes the lore's relation with the myth by contradicting it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:39, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

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	:::The question asked though was in regards to Medusa being a specific person separate from the Writhing Dread; that was the whole reason Zero-Elec contacted Mel. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 13:33, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		:::The question asked though was in regards to Medusa being a specific person separate from the Writhing Dread; that was the whole reason Zero-Elec contacted Mel. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 13:33, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
	::::That may have been what Zero-Elec meant to ask, but it wasn't what he actually ''did'' ask. Nor is it what Mel responded. He asked if Medusa, the creature killed by Perseus, was an individual taken over by the artifact (which we already knew to be the case), not if that name "Medusa" was the name of the human taken over. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 14:08, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		::::That may have been what Zero-Elec meant to ask, but it wasn't what he actually ''did'' ask. Nor is it what Mel responded. He asked if Medusa, the creature killed by Perseus, was an individual taken over by the artifact (which we already knew to be the case), not if that name "Medusa" was the name of the human taken over. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 14:08, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
			:::::Okay then we need someone to go onto that thread and ask for further clarification then because she didn’t say Medusa = Writhing Dread either. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 14:17, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

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	::The Tweet confirms that the Writhing Dread that Perseus defeated was an individual consumed by the artifact, just like Ligeia. It doesn't confirm that Medusa was the birth name of the individual who he defeated though. This means that the name Medusa is still likely one attributed to the beast, rather than the transumated host. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 13:24, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		::The Tweet confirms that the Writhing Dread that Perseus defeated was an individual consumed by the artifact, just like Ligeia. It doesn't confirm that Medusa was the birth name of the individual who he defeated though. This means that the name Medusa is still likely one attributed to the beast, rather than the transumated host. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 13:24, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
	:::The question asked though was in regards to Medusa being a specific person separate from the Writhing Dread; that was the whole reason Zero-Elec contacted Mel. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 13:33, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		:::The question asked though was in regards to Medusa being a specific person separate from the Writhing Dread; that was the whole reason Zero-Elec contacted Mel. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 13:33, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
			::::That may have been what Zero-Elec meant to ask, but it wasn't what he actually ''did'' ask. Nor is it what Mel responded. He asked if Medusa, the creature killed by Perseus, was an individual taken over by the artifact (which we already knew to be the case), not if that name "Medusa" was the name of the human taken over. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 14:08, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

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	:We are trying to determine if Medusa was just a previous holder of the Prize and thus earlier incarnation of the Writhing Dread and Zero-elec asked Mel via twitter who in barely understandable English seems to confirm that Medusa was her own person that was corrupted by the artifact just as Ligeia was her own person corrupted by the artifact. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:26, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		:We are trying to determine if Medusa was just a previous holder of the Prize and thus earlier incarnation of the Writhing Dread and Zero-elec asked Mel via twitter who in barely understandable English seems to confirm that Medusa was her own person that was corrupted by the artifact just as Ligeia was her own person corrupted by the artifact. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:26, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
	::The Tweet confirms that the Writhing Dread that Perseus defeated was an individual consumed by the artifact, just like Ligeia. It doesn't confirm that Medusa was the birth name of the individual who he defeated though. This means that the name Medusa is still likely one attributed to the beast, rather than the transumated host. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 13:24, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		::The Tweet confirms that the Writhing Dread that Perseus defeated was an individual consumed by the artifact, just like Ligeia. It doesn't confirm that Medusa was the birth name of the individual who he defeated though. This means that the name Medusa is still likely one attributed to the beast, rather than the transumated host. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 13:24, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
			:::The question asked though was in regards to Medusa being a specific person separate from the Writhing Dread; that was the whole reason Zero-Elec contacted Mel. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 13:33, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

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	I, for one, agree with the merge proposal. On the other hand, though, 'Medusa' is as much a unique character in the mythology as, say, Ligeia. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 11:19, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		I, for one, agree with the merge proposal. On the other hand, though, 'Medusa' is as much a unique character in the mythology as, say, Ligeia. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 11:19, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
	:We are trying to determine if Medusa was just a previous holder of the Prize and thus earlier incarnation of the Writhing Dread and Zero-elec asked Mel via twitter who in barely understandable English seems to confirm that Medusa was her own person that was corrupted by the artifact just as Ligeia was her own person corrupted by the artifact. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:26, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		:We are trying to determine if Medusa was just a previous holder of the Prize and thus earlier incarnation of the Writhing Dread and Zero-elec asked Mel via twitter who in barely understandable English seems to confirm that Medusa was her own person that was corrupted by the artifact just as Ligeia was her own person corrupted by the artifact. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:26, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
			::The Tweet confirms that the Writhing Dread that Perseus defeated was an individual consumed by the artifact, just like Ligeia. It doesn't confirm that Medusa was the birth name of the individual who he defeated though. This means that the name Medusa is still likely one attributed to the beast, rather than the transumated host. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 13:24, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

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	Of course another possibility is that Medusa, being the most famous of the Writhing Dread, lent her name in death to the hybrid beasts. However, even if this were the case, if the individual who became a gorgon and was slain by Perseus is attested in ''Assassin's Creed'', she merits an article. If so, then there is no other name for that article but Medusa, even if it has to be conjectural. An article with this individual slain by Perseus as the topic is not the same as an article with the creature as the topic. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:44, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		Of course another possibility is that Medusa, being the most famous of the Writhing Dread, lent her name in death to the hybrid beasts. However, even if this were the case, if the individual who became a gorgon and was slain by Perseus is attested in ''Assassin's Creed'', she merits an article. If so, then there is no other name for that article but Medusa, even if it has to be conjectural. An article with this individual slain by Perseus as the topic is not the same as an article with the creature as the topic. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:44, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
	:Hence, naming aside, an article about the individual, if she is attested in the series, has to remain separate from an article about the monster, just as the article about Ligeia is different. To merge the two articles is to delete the article on the individual slain by Perseus entirely which is only in accordance with policy if she isn't mentioned in ''Assassin's Creed'' at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:54, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		:Hence, naming aside, an article about the individual, if she is attested in the series, has to remain separate from an article about the monster, just as the article about Ligeia is different. To merge the two articles is to delete the article on the individual slain by Perseus entirely which is only in accordance with policy if she isn't mentioned in ''Assassin's Creed'' at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:54, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

			Definitely disagree with the merge, it is directly stated in-game that the Writhing Dread is a "curse" placed upon whoever touches the artefact and now confirmed by Mel MacCoubrey that Medusa was, in fact, a previous holder of the artefact. Sol laid it out pretty well above this, tbh. — [[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 21:09, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

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	::::That may have been what Zero-Elec meant to ask, but it wasn't what he actually ''did'' ask. Nor is it what Mel responded. He asked if Medusa, the creature killed by Perseus, was an individual taken over by the artifact (which we already knew to be the case), not if that name "Medusa" was the name of the human taken over. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 14:08, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		::::That may have been what Zero-Elec meant to ask, but it wasn't what he actually ''did'' ask. Nor is it what Mel responded. He asked if Medusa, the creature killed by Perseus, was an individual taken over by the artifact (which we already knew to be the case), not if that name "Medusa" was the name of the human taken over. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 14:08, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
	:::::Okay then we need someone to go onto that thread and ask for further clarification then because she didn’t say Medusa = Writhing Dread either. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 14:17, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		:::::Okay then we need someone to go onto that thread and ask for further clarification then because she didn’t say Medusa = Writhing Dread either. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 14:17, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
	::::::Didn't we also already say that another name of the creature as confirmed by ''Odyssey'' is—true to Greek mythology—''gorgon''? We already discussed this entirely a few weeks before. Even if it is not confirmed that Medusa is the name of the individual who was killed by Perseus after transforming into a gorgon, the fact that this is actually the case in original Greek mythology means that the safer option is that the burden of proof should be on the name ''Medusa'' being another name for ''gorgon''. As I've already mentioned previously, there is a wide prevailing misconception that Medusa in Greek mythology is the name of a monster rather than a specific individual who was one of three of those monsters known. The actual name of ''gorgon'' is not as well known and so it is highly probable, even expected, of Ubisoft to use the name ''Medusa'' for marketing reasons. Hence, this use of the name for the Writhing ~~Dead~~ outside of the actual in-game content should not be treated as hard proof that Writhing ~~Deads~~ were also called Medusas. The burden of proof falls squarely on this, not on demonstrating that Medusa is the name of an individual who transformed into a gorgon. Absent proof of the latter, we can leave it ambiguous, but it would not be a good idea to assume that Medusa = Writhing ~~Dead~~ without very solid proof because it convolutes the lore's relation with the myth by contradicting it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:39, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		::::::Didn't we also already say that another name of the creature as confirmed by ''Odyssey'' is—true to Greek mythology—''gorgon''? We already discussed this entirely a few weeks before. Even if it is not confirmed that Medusa is the name of the individual who was killed by Perseus after transforming into a gorgon, the fact that this is actually the case in original Greek mythology means that the safer option is that the burden of proof should be on the name ''Medusa'' being another name for ''gorgon''. As I've already mentioned previously, there is a wide prevailing misconception that Medusa in Greek mythology is the name of a monster rather than a specific individual who was one of three of those monsters known. The actual name of ''gorgon'' is not as well known and so it is highly probable, even expected, of Ubisoft to use the name ''Medusa'' for marketing reasons. Hence, this use of the name for the Writhing Dread outside of the actual in-game content should not be treated as hard proof that Writhing Dreads were also called Medusas. The burden of proof falls squarely on this, not on demonstrating that Medusa is the name of an individual who transformed into a gorgon. Absent proof of the latter, we can leave it ambiguous, but it would not be a good idea to assume that Medusa = Writhing Dread without very solid proof because it convolutes the lore's relation with the myth by contradicting it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:39, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
	Of course another possibility is that Medusa, being the most famous of the Writhing ~~Dead~~, lent her name in death to the hybrid beasts. However, even if this were the case, if the individual who became a gorgon and was slain by Perseus is attested in ''Assassin's Creed'', she merits an article. If so, then there is no other name for that article but Medusa, even if it has to be conjectural. An article with this individual slain by Perseus as the topic is not the same as an article with the creature as the topic. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:44, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		Of course another possibility is that Medusa, being the most famous of the Writhing Dread, lent her name in death to the hybrid beasts. However, even if this were the case, if the individual who became a gorgon and was slain by Perseus is attested in ''Assassin's Creed'', she merits an article. If so, then there is no other name for that article but Medusa, even if it has to be conjectural. An article with this individual slain by Perseus as the topic is not the same as an article with the creature as the topic. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:44, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
	:Hence, naming aside, an article about the individual, if she is attested in the series, has to remain separate from an article about the monster, just as the article about Ligeia is different. To merge the two articles is to delete the article on the individual slain by Perseus entirely which is only in accordance with policy if she isn't mentioned in ''Assassin's Creed'' at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:54, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		:Hence, naming aside, an article about the individual, if she is attested in the series, has to remain separate from an article about the monster, just as the article about Ligeia is different. To merge the two articles is to delete the article on the individual slain by Perseus entirely which is only in accordance with policy if she isn't mentioned in ''Assassin's Creed'' at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:54, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

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	::::::Didn't we also already say that another name of the creature as confirmed by ''Odyssey'' is—true to Greek mythology—''gorgon''? We already discussed this entirely a few weeks before. Even if it is not confirmed that Medusa is the name of the individual who was killed by Perseus after transforming into a gorgon, the fact that this is actually the case in original Greek mythology means that the safer option is that the burden of proof should be on the name ''Medusa'' being another name for ''gorgon''. As I've already mentioned previously, there is a wide prevailing misconception that Medusa in Greek mythology is the name of a monster rather than a specific individual who was one of three of those monsters known. The actual name of ''gorgon'' is not as well known and so it is highly probable, even expected, of Ubisoft to use the name ''Medusa'' for marketing reasons. Hence, this use of the name for the Writhing Dead outside of the actual in-game content should not be treated as hard proof that Writhing Deads were also called Medusas. The burden of proof falls squarely on this, not on demonstrating that Medusa is the name of an individual who transformed into a gorgon. Absent proof of the latter, we can leave it ambiguous, but it would not be a good idea to assume that Medusa = Writhing Dead without very solid proof because it convolutes the lore's relation with the myth by contradicting it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:39, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		::::::Didn't we also already say that another name of the creature as confirmed by ''Odyssey'' is—true to Greek mythology—''gorgon''? We already discussed this entirely a few weeks before. Even if it is not confirmed that Medusa is the name of the individual who was killed by Perseus after transforming into a gorgon, the fact that this is actually the case in original Greek mythology means that the safer option is that the burden of proof should be on the name ''Medusa'' being another name for ''gorgon''. As I've already mentioned previously, there is a wide prevailing misconception that Medusa in Greek mythology is the name of a monster rather than a specific individual who was one of three of those monsters known. The actual name of ''gorgon'' is not as well known and so it is highly probable, even expected, of Ubisoft to use the name ''Medusa'' for marketing reasons. Hence, this use of the name for the Writhing Dead outside of the actual in-game content should not be treated as hard proof that Writhing Deads were also called Medusas. The burden of proof falls squarely on this, not on demonstrating that Medusa is the name of an individual who transformed into a gorgon. Absent proof of the latter, we can leave it ambiguous, but it would not be a good idea to assume that Medusa = Writhing Dead without very solid proof because it convolutes the lore's relation with the myth by contradicting it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:39, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
	Of course another possibility is that Medusa, being the most famous of the Writhing Dead, lent her name in death to the hybrid beasts. However, even if this were the case, if the individual who became a gorgon and was slain by Perseus is attested in ''Assassin's Creed'', she merits an article. If so, then there is no other name for that article but Medusa, even if it has to be conjectural. An article with this individual slain by Perseus as the topic is not the same as an article with the creature as the topic. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:44, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		Of course another possibility is that Medusa, being the most famous of the Writhing Dead, lent her name in death to the hybrid beasts. However, even if this were the case, if the individual who became a gorgon and was slain by Perseus is attested in ''Assassin's Creed'', she merits an article. If so, then there is no other name for that article but Medusa, even if it has to be conjectural. An article with this individual slain by Perseus as the topic is not the same as an article with the creature as the topic. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:44, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
			:Hence, naming aside, an article about the individual, if she is attested in the series, has to remain separate from an article about the monster, just as the article about Ligeia is different. To merge the two articles is to delete the article on the individual slain by Perseus entirely which is only in accordance with policy if she isn't mentioned in ''Assassin's Creed'' at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:54, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

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	:::::Okay then we need someone to go onto that thread and ask for further clarification then because she didn’t say Medusa = Writhing Dread either. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 14:17, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		:::::Okay then we need someone to go onto that thread and ask for further clarification then because she didn’t say Medusa = Writhing Dread either. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 14:17, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
	::::::Didn't we also already say that another name of the creature as confirmed by ''Odyssey'' is—true to Greek mythology—''gorgon''? We already discussed this entirely a few weeks before. Even if it is not confirmed that Medusa is the name of the individual who was killed by Perseus after transforming into a gorgon, the fact that this is actually the case in original Greek mythology means that the safer option is that the burden of proof should be on the name ''Medusa'' being another name for ''gorgon''. As I've already mentioned previously, there is a wide prevailing misconception that Medusa in Greek mythology is the name of a monster rather than a specific individual who was one of three of those monsters known. The actual name of ''gorgon'' is not as well known and so it is highly probable, even expected, of Ubisoft to use the name ''Medusa'' for marketing reasons. Hence, this use of the name for the Writhing Dead outside of the actual in-game content should not be treated as hard proof that Writhing Deads were also called Medusas. The burden of proof falls squarely on this, not on demonstrating that Medusa is the name of an individual who transformed into a gorgon. Absent proof of the latter, we can leave it ambiguous, but it would not be a good idea to assume that Medusa = Writhing Dead without very solid proof because it convolutes the lore's relation with the myth by contradicting it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:39, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		::::::Didn't we also already say that another name of the creature as confirmed by ''Odyssey'' is—true to Greek mythology—''gorgon''? We already discussed this entirely a few weeks before. Even if it is not confirmed that Medusa is the name of the individual who was killed by Perseus after transforming into a gorgon, the fact that this is actually the case in original Greek mythology means that the safer option is that the burden of proof should be on the name ''Medusa'' being another name for ''gorgon''. As I've already mentioned previously, there is a wide prevailing misconception that Medusa in Greek mythology is the name of a monster rather than a specific individual who was one of three of those monsters known. The actual name of ''gorgon'' is not as well known and so it is highly probable, even expected, of Ubisoft to use the name ''Medusa'' for marketing reasons. Hence, this use of the name for the Writhing Dead outside of the actual in-game content should not be treated as hard proof that Writhing Deads were also called Medusas. The burden of proof falls squarely on this, not on demonstrating that Medusa is the name of an individual who transformed into a gorgon. Absent proof of the latter, we can leave it ambiguous, but it would not be a good idea to assume that Medusa = Writhing Dead without very solid proof because it convolutes the lore's relation with the myth by contradicting it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:39, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
			Of course another possibility is that Medusa, being the most famous of the Writhing Dead, lent her name in death to the hybrid beasts. However, even if this were the case, if the individual who became a gorgon and was slain by Perseus is attested in ''Assassin's Creed'', she merits an article. If so, then there is no other name for that article but Medusa, even if it has to be conjectural. An article with this individual slain by Perseus as the topic is not the same as an article with the creature as the topic. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:44, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

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	:::The question asked though was in regards to Medusa being a specific person separate from the Writhing Dread; that was the whole reason Zero-Elec contacted Mel. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 13:33, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		:::The question asked though was in regards to Medusa being a specific person separate from the Writhing Dread; that was the whole reason Zero-Elec contacted Mel. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 13:33, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
	::::That may have been what Zero-Elec meant to ask, but it wasn't what he actually ''did'' ask. Nor is it what Mel responded. He asked if Medusa, the creature killed by Perseus, was an individual taken over by the artifact (which we already knew to be the case), not if that name "Medusa" was the name of the human taken over. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 14:08, November 12, 2018 (UTC)		::::That may have been what Zero-Elec meant to ask, but it wasn't what he actually ''did'' ask. Nor is it what Mel responded. He asked if Medusa, the creature killed by Perseus, was an individual taken over by the artifact (which we already knew to be the case), not if that name "Medusa" was the name of the human taken over. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 14:08, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
			:::::Okay then we need someone to go onto that thread and ask for further clarification then because she didn’t say Medusa = Writhing Dread either. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 14:17, November 12, 2018 (UTC)