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imported>Jasca Ducato: /* Notable Master Assassins */

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Notable Master Assassins

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	:Good job for catching this since we had the same problem in the "Assassins" and "Templars" articles. I changed the subtitle to "Examples of Master Assassins" because I fear "Known Master Assassins" is a bit OOU as usual with the words ''known'' and ''unknown''. Also, the list doesn't have all the Master Assassins whether known to us or IU. So would you say this is better? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:21, June 30, 2018 (UTC)		:Good job for catching this since we had the same problem in the "Assassins" and "Templars" articles. I changed the subtitle to "Examples of Master Assassins" because I fear "Known Master Assassins" is a bit OOU as usual with the words ''known'' and ''unknown''. Also, the list doesn't have all the Master Assassins whether known to us or IU. So would you say this is better? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:21, June 30, 2018 (UTC)
	::Thank you for your prompt reply! I'd say this is definitely better, yes. --[[User:Piero.schiavone1994\|Piero.schiavone1994]] ([[User talk:Piero.schiavone1994\|talk]]) 11:16, July 1, 2018 (UTC)		::Thank you for your prompt reply! I'd say this is definitely better, yes. --[[User:Piero.schiavone1994\|Piero.schiavone1994]] ([[User talk:Piero.schiavone1994\|talk]]) 11:16, July 1, 2018 (UTC)
			:::When the section name was first changed to "Notable Master Assassins" it did list every identifiable Master Assassin (the only criteria, really, being that we knew their name). Of course, the list had expanded since then and appears not to have been updated completely. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 12:43, July 1, 2018 (UTC)

imported>Piero.schiavone1994: /* Notable Master Assassins */

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Notable Master Assassins

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	Hello. I was wondering why the article lists only 22, ''notable'' Master Assassins (this criterion looks extremely arguable and subjective to me - who's to define which Master Assassins are ''notable''?), instead of listing all 40 known Master Assassins, which seems as a better option IMHO. I hope I'll get response. --[[User:Piero.schiavone1994\|Piero.schiavone1994]] ([[User talk:Piero.schiavone1994\|talk]]) 20:17, June 30, 2018 (UTC)		Hello. I was wondering why the article lists only 22, ''notable'' Master Assassins (this criterion looks extremely arguable and subjective to me - who's to define which Master Assassins are ''notable''?), instead of listing all 40 known Master Assassins, which seems as a better option IMHO. I hope I'll get response. --[[User:Piero.schiavone1994\|Piero.schiavone1994]] ([[User talk:Piero.schiavone1994\|talk]]) 20:17, June 30, 2018 (UTC)
	:Good job for catching this since we had the same problem in the "Assassins" and "Templars" articles. I changed the subtitle to "Examples of Master Assassins" because I fear "Known Master Assassins" is a bit OOU as usual with the words ''known'' and ''unknown''. Also, the list doesn't have all the Master Assassins whether known to us or IU. So would you say this is better? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:21, June 30, 2018 (UTC)		:Good job for catching this since we had the same problem in the "Assassins" and "Templars" articles. I changed the subtitle to "Examples of Master Assassins" because I fear "Known Master Assassins" is a bit OOU as usual with the words ''known'' and ''unknown''. Also, the list doesn't have all the Master Assassins whether known to us or IU. So would you say this is better? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:21, June 30, 2018 (UTC)
			::Thank you for your prompt reply! I'd say this is definitely better, yes. --[[User:Piero.schiavone1994\|Piero.schiavone1994]] ([[User talk:Piero.schiavone1994\|talk]]) 11:16, July 1, 2018 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Notable Master Assassins */

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Notable Master Assassins

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	==Notable Master Assassins==		==Notable Master Assassins==
	Hello. I was wondering why the article lists only 22, ''notable'' Master Assassins (this criterion looks extremely arguable and subjective to me - who's to define which Master Assassins are ''notable''?), instead of listing all 40 known Master Assassins, which seems as a better option IMHO. I hope I'll get response. --[[User:Piero.schiavone1994\|Piero.schiavone1994]] ([[User talk:Piero.schiavone1994\|talk]]) 20:17, June 30, 2018 (UTC)		Hello. I was wondering why the article lists only 22, ''notable'' Master Assassins (this criterion looks extremely arguable and subjective to me - who's to define which Master Assassins are ''notable''?), instead of listing all 40 known Master Assassins, which seems as a better option IMHO. I hope I'll get response. --[[User:Piero.schiavone1994\|Piero.schiavone1994]] ([[User talk:Piero.schiavone1994\|talk]]) 20:17, June 30, 2018 (UTC)
			:Good job for catching this since we had the same problem in the "Assassins" and "Templars" articles. I changed the subtitle to "Examples of Master Assassins" because I fear "Known Master Assassins" is a bit OOU as usual with the words ''known'' and ''unknown''. Also, the list doesn't have all the Master Assassins whether known to us or IU. So would you say this is better? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:21, June 30, 2018 (UTC)

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	:Whether or not you find his skills in the field lacking, Henry's called a Master Assassin in the Art of Assassin's Creed: Syndicate book, so I don't see why we should change that. By the way, please sign your posts. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 15:37, November 14, 2015 (UTC)		:Whether or not you find his skills in the field lacking, Henry's called a Master Assassin in the Art of Assassin's Creed: Syndicate book, so I don't see why we should change that. By the way, please sign your posts. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 15:37, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

			==Notable Master Assassins==
			Hello. I was wondering why the article lists only 22, ''notable'' Master Assassins (this criterion looks extremely arguable and subjective to me - who's to define which Master Assassins are ''notable''?), instead of listing all 40 known Master Assassins, which seems as a better option IMHO. I hope I'll get response. --[[User:Piero.schiavone1994\|Piero.schiavone1994]] ([[User talk:Piero.schiavone1994\|talk]]) 20:17, June 30, 2018 (UTC)

imported>Amnestyyy: Don't mind me - just removing a link for maintenance purposes

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Don't mind me - just removing a link for maintenance purposes

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	:Do you have a source for that? I don't think that's explicitly stated anywhere. For all we know if there's an absence of Master Assassins and a Mentor an Assassin might as well skip the rank of Master Assassin to become Mentor. You could argue as well to remove them from the Master Assassins category then. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 22:19, April 16, 2015 (UTC)		:Do you have a source for that? I don't think that's explicitly stated anywhere. For all we know if there's an absence of Master Assassins and a Mentor an Assassin might as well skip the rank of Master Assassin to become Mentor. You could argue as well to remove them from the Master Assassins category then. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 22:19, April 16, 2015 (UTC)
	:The title of Mentor is an honorific, not a rank, typically given to the foremost Master Assassin in that particular sect. By becoming a Mentor, you do not surrender the rank of Master Assassin (whereas you do surrender the rank of Lieutenant, for example, when you become a Colonel). As such, any notable Mentor should also be listed as a notable Master Assassin. (Although an argument could be made to remove those Mentors' - such as [[Rashid ad-Din Sinan]] - who never make an IU appearance before obtaining the title, from this particular list.) --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 23:11, April 16, 2015 (UTC)		:The title of Mentor is an honorific, not a rank, typically given to the foremost Master Assassin in that particular sect. By becoming a Mentor, you do not surrender the rank of Master Assassin (whereas you do surrender the rank of Lieutenant, for example, when you become a Colonel). As such, any notable Mentor should also be listed as a notable Master Assassin. (Although an argument could be made to remove those Mentors' - such as Rashid ad-Din Sinan - who never make an IU appearance before obtaining the title, from this particular list.) --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 23:11, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

	== Edward ==		== Edward ==

imported>Crookandcharlatan: /* The Frye twins */

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The Frye twins

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	I can not understand why people care what the writers say and not what the game shows us that jacob was not a master assassin, Evie may have been but I am doutful. Plus will some one remove Henry Green as he is not a skilled field assassin and therefore definetly not a mate.		I can not understand why people care what the writers say and not what the game shows us that jacob was not a master assassin, Evie may have been but I am doutful. Plus will some one remove Henry Green as he is not a skilled field assassin and therefore definetly not a mate.

			:There's something called "Word of God", you should probably check it out.

			:Whether or not you find his skills in the field lacking, Henry's called a Master Assassin in the Art of Assassin's Creed: Syndicate book, so I don't see why we should change that. By the way, please sign your posts. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 15:37, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

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	:: It's been said by the creators that the twins were Master Assassins at the start of the game. Also, I'd meant that they were sent to eliminate very high-value targets, not sent to London. Not to mention the conversation in-game implies that Jacob would be in control of the entire Brotherhood, a rank that belongs to either an entire council or a single Mentor.		:: It's been said by the creators that the twins were Master Assassins at the start of the game. Also, I'd meant that they were sent to eliminate very high-value targets, not sent to London. Not to mention the conversation in-game implies that Jacob would be in control of the entire Brotherhood, a rank that belongs to either an entire council or a single Mentor.
	:: [[User:Julia-B184\|Julia-B184]] ([[User talk:Julia-B184\|Talk]]) 22:40, November 10, 2015 (UTC)		:: [[User:Julia-B184\|Julia-B184]] ([[User talk:Julia-B184\|Talk]]) 22:40, November 10, 2015 (UTC)

			I can not understand why people care what the writers say and not what the game shows us that jacob was not a master assassin, Evie may have been but I am doutful. Plus will some one remove Henry Green as he is not a skilled field assassin and therefore definetly not a mate.

imported>Julia-B184: /* The Frye twins */

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The Frye twins

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	==The Frye twins==		==The Frye twins==
	I have no doubt that Jacob and Evie earned their ranks of Master Assassin for good reason, like any Master Assassin would. As we can see right off the bat, their first missions in-game were to assassinate extremely high-value targets: the forefront of Templar industry and the only Templar that had decent understanding of the Pieces of Eden, and they start the game as Masters. The British Assassins didn't have London, but surely if they didn't really think Jacob and Evie could handle it, they would send someone better such as George himself (unless he was past his prime, given Victorian health). I doubt they were short on Assassins, they just didn't have enough Masters or resources to move on London. However, if I have my lore correct this makes them the youngest Master Assassins in history. Did they reach this rank before Altair due to being better than him? Or were they just as competent, the increased speed and scale of war by their time meaning they just ranked up more quickly?		I have no doubt that Jacob and Evie earned their ranks of Master Assassin for good reason, like any Master Assassin would. As we can see right off the bat, their first missions in-game were to assassinate extremely high-value targets: the forefront of Templar industry and the only Templar that had decent understanding of the Pieces of Eden, and they start the game as Masters. The British Assassins didn't have London, but surely if they didn't really think Jacob and Evie could handle their missions at the start of the game, they would send someone better such as George himself (unless he was past his prime, given Victorian health). I doubt they were short on Assassins, they just didn't have enough Masters or resources to move on London. However, if I have my lore correct this makes them the youngest Master Assassins in history. Did they reach this rank before Altair due to being better than him? Or were they just as competent, the increased speed and scale of war by their time meaning they just ranked up more quickly?

	[[User:Julia-B184\|Julia-B184]] ([[User talk:Julia-B184\|Talk]]) 18:37, November 1, 2015 (UTC)		[[User:Julia-B184\|Julia-B184]] ([[User talk:Julia-B184\|Talk]]) 18:37, November 1, 2015 (UTC)

	The twins were not masters well jacob definetly was not a master . It is clear that the only reason they were sent after the templars in the first mission is because the brotherhood had few members. Plus they were not sent to London they disobeoyed George and left. If you play the game in a conversation between Jacob and Evie they make it clear Jacob and possibly Evie are not masters "That reclessness will see me become a master when we finish this" "George would alow nothing of the sort. whatevers left of the creed would perish under your control"		: The twins were not masters well jacob definetly was not a master . It is clear that the only reason they were sent after the templars in the first mission is because the brotherhood had few members. Plus they were not sent to London they disobeoyed George and left. If you play the game in a conversation between Jacob and Evie they make it clear Jacob and possibly Evie are not masters "That reclessness will see me become a master when we finish this" "George would alow nothing of the sort. whatevers left of the creed would perish under your control"

			:: It's been said by the creators that the twins were Master Assassins at the start of the game. Also, I'd meant that they were sent to eliminate very high-value targets, not sent to London. Not to mention the conversation in-game implies that Jacob would be in control of the entire Brotherhood, a rank that belongs to either an entire council or a single Mentor.
			:: [[User:Julia-B184\|Julia-B184]] ([[User talk:Julia-B184\|Talk]]) 22:40, November 10, 2015 (UTC)

31.200.175.20 at 21:42, 1 November 2015

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	[[User:Julia-B184\|Julia-B184]] ([[User talk:Julia-B184\|Talk]]) 18:37, November 1, 2015 (UTC)		[[User:Julia-B184\|Julia-B184]] ([[User talk:Julia-B184\|Talk]]) 18:37, November 1, 2015 (UTC)

			The twins were not masters well jacob definetly was not a master . It is clear that the only reason they were sent after the templars in the first mission is because the brotherhood had few members. Plus they were not sent to London they disobeoyed George and left. If you play the game in a conversation between Jacob and Evie they make it clear Jacob and possibly Evie are not masters "That reclessness will see me become a master when we finish this" "George would alow nothing of the sort. whatevers left of the creed would perish under your control"

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	If he's referred to as a Master Assassin, that's what he is. The writers would not have written it in otherwise. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 17:37, October 28, 2015 (UTC)		If he's referred to as a Master Assassin, that's what he is. The writers would not have written it in otherwise. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 17:37, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

			==The Frye twins==
			I have no doubt that Jacob and Evie earned their ranks of Master Assassin for good reason, like any Master Assassin would. As we can see right off the bat, their first missions in-game were to assassinate extremely high-value targets: the forefront of Templar industry and the only Templar that had decent understanding of the Pieces of Eden, and they start the game as Masters. The British Assassins didn't have London, but surely if they didn't really think Jacob and Evie could handle it, they would send someone better such as George himself (unless he was past his prime, given Victorian health). I doubt they were short on Assassins, they just didn't have enough Masters or resources to move on London. However, if I have my lore correct this makes them the youngest Master Assassins in history. Did they reach this rank before Altair due to being better than him? Or were they just as competent, the increased speed and scale of war by their time meaning they just ranked up more quickly?

			[[User:Julia-B184\|Julia-B184]] ([[User talk:Julia-B184\|Talk]]) 18:37, November 1, 2015 (UTC)

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	:Good job for catching this since we had the same problem in the "Assassins" and "Templars" articles. I changed the subtitle to "Examples of Master Assassins" because I fear "Known Master Assassins" is a bit OOU as usual with the words ''known'' and ''unknown''. Also, the list doesn't have all the Master Assassins whether known to us or IU. So would you say this is better? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:21, June 30, 2018 (UTC)		:Good job for catching this since we had the same problem in the "Assassins" and "Templars" articles. I changed the subtitle to "Examples of Master Assassins" because I fear "Known Master Assassins" is a bit OOU as usual with the words ''known'' and ''unknown''. Also, the list doesn't have all the Master Assassins whether known to us or IU. So would you say this is better? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:21, June 30, 2018 (UTC)
	::Thank you for your prompt reply! I'd say this is definitely better, yes. --[[User:Piero.schiavone1994\|Piero.schiavone1994]] ([[User talk:Piero.schiavone1994\|talk]]) 11:16, July 1, 2018 (UTC)		::Thank you for your prompt reply! I'd say this is definitely better, yes. --[[User:Piero.schiavone1994\|Piero.schiavone1994]] ([[User talk:Piero.schiavone1994\|talk]]) 11:16, July 1, 2018 (UTC)
			:::When the section name was first changed to "Notable Master Assassins" it did list every identifiable Master Assassin (the only criteria, really, being that we knew their name). Of course, the list had expanded since then and appears not to have been updated completely. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 12:43, July 1, 2018 (UTC)

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	Hello. I was wondering why the article lists only 22, ''notable'' Master Assassins (this criterion looks extremely arguable and subjective to me - who's to define which Master Assassins are ''notable''?), instead of listing all 40 known Master Assassins, which seems as a better option IMHO. I hope I'll get response. --[[User:Piero.schiavone1994\|Piero.schiavone1994]] ([[User talk:Piero.schiavone1994\|talk]]) 20:17, June 30, 2018 (UTC)		Hello. I was wondering why the article lists only 22, ''notable'' Master Assassins (this criterion looks extremely arguable and subjective to me - who's to define which Master Assassins are ''notable''?), instead of listing all 40 known Master Assassins, which seems as a better option IMHO. I hope I'll get response. --[[User:Piero.schiavone1994\|Piero.schiavone1994]] ([[User talk:Piero.schiavone1994\|talk]]) 20:17, June 30, 2018 (UTC)
	:Good job for catching this since we had the same problem in the "Assassins" and "Templars" articles. I changed the subtitle to "Examples of Master Assassins" because I fear "Known Master Assassins" is a bit OOU as usual with the words ''known'' and ''unknown''. Also, the list doesn't have all the Master Assassins whether known to us or IU. So would you say this is better? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:21, June 30, 2018 (UTC)		:Good job for catching this since we had the same problem in the "Assassins" and "Templars" articles. I changed the subtitle to "Examples of Master Assassins" because I fear "Known Master Assassins" is a bit OOU as usual with the words ''known'' and ''unknown''. Also, the list doesn't have all the Master Assassins whether known to us or IU. So would you say this is better? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:21, June 30, 2018 (UTC)
			::Thank you for your prompt reply! I'd say this is definitely better, yes. --[[User:Piero.schiavone1994\|Piero.schiavone1994]] ([[User talk:Piero.schiavone1994\|talk]]) 11:16, July 1, 2018 (UTC)