Talk:Marcel Jeannin - Revision history

imported>Mercury McKinnon: /* Grammar review */ format fix

2012-09-14T19:39:54Z

Grammar review: format fix

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	Marcel is an actor AND ''<adjective>'' voice actor.<br />		Marcel is an actor AND ''<adjective>'' voice actor.<br />
	Marcel is an actor AND cartoon voice actor.		Marcel is an actor AND cartoon voice actor.
	If we wish to put 2 adjectives for "voice actor", both must come after the "and".<br />
			If we wish to put 2 adjectives for "voice actor", both must come after the "and".<br>
	Marcel is an actor AND ''<adjective1>'' and ''<adjective2>'' voice actor.<br />		Marcel is an actor AND ''<adjective1>'' and ''<adjective2>'' voice actor.<br />
	Marcel is an actor AND cartoon and video game voice actor.<br />		Marcel is an actor AND cartoon and video game voice actor.<br />

imported>Mercury McKinnon: rm duplicate header

2012-09-14T19:37:14Z

rm duplicate header

imported>Mercury McKinnon: /* Grammar review (new section) */ new section

2012-09-14T19:36:14Z

Grammar review (new section): new section

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== Grammar review (new section) ==

==Grammar review==
Please pardon the length. I hate to belabor what should be a simple grammatical point, but I don't know how else to justify my revisions (1st [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Marcel_Jeannin?diff=349948&oldid=349929 here] and 2nd [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Marcel_Jeannin?diff=350021&oldid=349951 here]) except by being thorough.

I found the following sentence ungrammatical for its intended meaning: 
"Marcel Jeannin is a Canadian actor, cartoon and video game voice actor."

Because only one "AND" was used, the only grammatical parsing of this sentence is that there are 3 nouns: 
Marcel Jeannin is a Canadian ''<noun1>'', ''<noun2>'' AND ''<adjective>'' ''<noun3>''.

The construction above forces "cartoon" to serve as a noun. So the sentence - if it's grammatical - actually says that the man is 3 nouns: an actor, a cartoon AND a voice actor. Because of this I revised it.

For "cartoon" to serve here as an adjective that modifies "voice actor" (in the same way that "video game" is used), there are two main options:

1. Give "cartoon" its own noun to modify, making a series of 3 nouns. 
Marcel is an actor, cartoon voice actor AND video game voice actor. 
Marcel is an ''<noun1>'', ''<adjective> <noun2>'' AND ''<adjective> <noun3>''

In a series of 3 nouns, an "AND" is needed only between the second and third nouns.

2. Since ''<noun2>'' and ''<noun3>'' are the same, some may prefer to use only 2 nouns, but the "AND" (or a synonym) must always be properly placed. To help understand this, start with a base version of the sentence without adjectives. 
Marcel is an actor AND voice actor. ''(My first revision was along this line.)'' 
Marcel is an ''<noun1>'' AND ''<noun2>''.

If we wish to modify "voice actor" with an adjective (or adjective phrase), we add it after the "and". 
Marcel is an actor AND ''<adjective>'' voice actor. 
Marcel is an actor AND cartoon voice actor.

If we wish to put 2 adjectives for "voice actor", both must come after the "and". 
Marcel is an actor AND ''<adjective1>'' and ''<adjective2>'' voice actor. 
Marcel is an actor AND cartoon and video game voice actor. 
Marcel is an actor AS WELL AS a voice actor for cartoons and video games. ''(This was my 2nd attempt.)''

These may be further rephrased/improved, but always sticking to the above syntax for grammatically-correct sentences. In all cases, the "AND" cannot be replaced by a comma and remain grammatical. Needless to say, an ungrammatical sentence - even if we can grasp its intended meaning despite the error - is not a substitute in this wiki for saying things grammatically. Thanks. --[[User:Mercury McKinnon|Mercury McKinnon]] ([[User talk:Mercury McKinnon|talk]]) 19:36, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

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	==Grammar review==		==Grammar review==
	Please pardon the length. I hate to belabor what should be a simple grammatical point, but I don't know how else to justify my revisions (1st [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Marcel_Jeannin?diff=349948&oldid=349929 here] and 2nd [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Marcel_Jeannin?diff=350021&oldid=349951 here]) except by being thorough.		Please pardon the length. I hate to belabor what should be a simple grammatical point, but I don't know how else to justify my revisions (1st [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Marcel_Jeannin?diff=349948&oldid=349929 here] and 2nd [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Marcel_Jeannin?diff=350021&oldid=349951 here]) except by being thorough.

	I found the following sentence ungrammatical for its intended meaning:<br>		I found the following sentence ungrammatical for its intended meaning:<br />
	"Marcel Jeannin is a Canadian actor, cartoon and video game voice actor."		"Marcel Jeannin is a Canadian actor, cartoon and video game voice actor."

	Because only one "AND" was used, the only grammatical parsing of this sentence is that there are 3 nouns:<br>		Because only one "AND" was used, the only grammatical parsing of this sentence is that there are 3 nouns:<br />
	Marcel Jeannin is a Canadian ''<noun1>'', ''<noun2>'' AND ''<adjective>'' ''<noun3>''.		Marcel Jeannin is a Canadian ''<noun1>'', ''<noun2>'' AND ''<adjective>'' ''<noun3>''.

	The construction above forces "cartoon" to serve as a noun. So the sentence - if it's grammatical - actually says that the man is 3 nouns: an actor, a cartoon AND a voice actor. Because of this I revised it.		The construction above forces "cartoon" to serve as a noun. So the sentence - if it's grammatical - actually says that the man is 3 nouns: an actor, a cartoon AND a voice actor. Because of this I revised it.

	For "cartoon" to serve here as an adjective that modifies "voice actor" (in the same way that "video game" is used), there are two main options:		For "cartoon" to serve here as an adjective that modifies "voice actor" (in the same way that "video game" is used), there are two main options:

	1. Give "cartoon" its own noun to modify, making a series of 3 nouns.<br>		1. Give "cartoon" its own noun to modify, making a series of 3 nouns.<br />
	Marcel is an actor, cartoon voice actor AND video game voice actor.<br>		Marcel is an actor, cartoon voice actor AND video game voice actor.<br />
	Marcel is an ''<noun1>'', ''<adjective> <noun2>'' AND ''<adjective> <noun3>''		Marcel is an ''<noun1>'', ''<adjective> <noun2>'' AND ''<adjective> <noun3>''

	In a series of 3 nouns, an "AND" is needed only between the second and third nouns.		In a series of 3 nouns, an "AND" is needed only between the second and third nouns.

	2. Since ''<noun2>'' and ''<noun3>'' are the same, some may prefer to use only 2 nouns, but the "AND" (or a synonym) must always be properly placed. To help understand this, start with a base version of the sentence without adjectives.<br>		2. Since ''<noun2>'' and ''<noun3>'' are the same, some may prefer to use only 2 nouns, but the "AND" (or a synonym) must always be properly placed. To help understand this, start with a base version of the sentence without adjectives.<br />
	Marcel is an actor AND voice actor. ''(My first revision was along this line.)''<br>		Marcel is an actor AND voice actor. ''(My first revision was along this line.)''<br />
	Marcel is an ''<noun1>'' AND ''<noun2>''.		Marcel is an ''<noun1>'' AND ''<noun2>''.

	If we wish to modify "voice actor" with an adjective (or adjective phrase), we add it after the "and".<br>		If we wish to modify "voice actor" with an adjective (or adjective phrase), we add it after the "and".<br />
	Marcel is an actor AND ''<adjective>'' voice actor.<br>		Marcel is an actor AND ''<adjective>'' voice actor.<br />
	Marcel is an actor AND cartoon voice actor.		Marcel is an actor AND cartoon voice actor.
			If we wish to put 2 adjectives for "voice actor", both must come after the "and".<br />
	If we wish to put 2 adjectives for "voice actor", both must come after the "and".<br>		Marcel is an actor AND ''<adjective1>'' and ''<adjective2>'' voice actor.<br />
	Marcel is an actor AND ''<adjective1>'' and ''<adjective2>'' voice actor.<br>		Marcel is an actor AND cartoon and video game voice actor.<br />
	Marcel is an actor AND cartoon and video game voice actor.<br>		Marcel is an actor AS WELL AS a voice actor for cartoons and video games. ''(This was my 2nd attempt.)''
	Marcel is an actor AS WELL AS a voice actor for cartoons and video games. ''(This was my 2nd attempt.)''

	These may be further rephrased/improved, but always sticking to the above syntax for grammatically-correct sentences. In all cases, the "AND" cannot be replaced by a comma and remain grammatical. Needless to say, an ungrammatical sentence - even if we can grasp its intended meaning despite the error - is not a substitute in this wiki for saying things grammatically. Thanks. --[[User:Mercury McKinnon\|Mercury McKinnon]] ([[User talk:Mercury McKinnon\|talk]]) 19:36, September 14, 2012 (UTC)		These may be further rephrased/improved, but always sticking to the above syntax for grammatically-correct sentences. In all cases, the "AND" cannot be replaced by a comma and remain grammatical. Needless to say, an ungrammatical sentence - even if we can grasp its intended meaning despite the error - is not a substitute in this wiki for saying things grammatically. Thanks. --[[User:Mercury McKinnon\|Mercury McKinnon]] ([[User talk:Mercury McKinnon\|talk]]) 19:36, September 14, 2012 (UTC)