Talk:Liberalis Circulum - Revision history

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Move reversal */

2021-04-15T23:14:12Z

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	Considering the discussion has been going since November and there has been no voice in opposition to the move reversal, I hope nobody is opposed to me going ahead and making the move. Every day the change is not implemented is a day the wiki is presenting misinformation to its readers. As per Sol Pacificus' earlier suggestion, I created a separate page for "Roman Hidden Ones" to preserve the edit history of this page, as it dates back to before ''Origins'' was released. If there are still strong opinions against the term "Roman Hidden Ones" that instead favour another term, the discussion can keep going. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 15:27, 15 April 2021 (UTC)		Considering the discussion has been going since November and there has been no voice in opposition to the move reversal, I hope nobody is opposed to me going ahead and making the move. Every day the change is not implemented is a day the wiki is presenting misinformation to its readers. As per Sol Pacificus' earlier suggestion, I created a separate page for "Roman Hidden Ones" to preserve the edit history of this page, as it dates back to before ''Origins'' was released. If there are still strong opinions against the term "Roman Hidden Ones" that instead favour another term, the discussion can keep going. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 15:27, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
			:Yes I am perfectly fine with you making the changes right away. Our policy page technically says to leave discussions up for two weeks, but oh my god, I keep finding that that is too long of a wait—if not for my impatience than even for the sake of efficiency. I think we might want to revise the policy so that changes are allowed to be acted on in 1 week if feedback has been unanimous. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 23:14, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

imported>Master Sima Yi: /* Move reversal */

2021-04-15T15:27:19Z

Move reversal

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	::::Lacrosse, I don't think Sima's list were different options, but his whole proposal in 3 points. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:42, 13 April 2021 (UTC)		::::Lacrosse, I don't think Sima's list were different options, but his whole proposal in 3 points. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:42, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
	:::I would suggest Roman Hidden Ones. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 16:59, 13 April 2021 (UTC)		:::I would suggest Roman Hidden Ones. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 16:59, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

			Considering the discussion has been going since November and there has been no voice in opposition to the move reversal, I hope nobody is opposed to me going ahead and making the move. Every day the change is not implemented is a day the wiki is presenting misinformation to its readers. As per Sol Pacificus' earlier suggestion, I created a separate page for "Roman Hidden Ones" to preserve the edit history of this page, as it dates back to before ''Origins'' was released. If there are still strong opinions against the term "Roman Hidden Ones" that instead favour another term, the discussion can keep going. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 15:27, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

imported>Master Sima Yi: Master Sima Yi moved page Talk:Liberalis Circulus to Talk:Liberalis Circulum: Moving back to canonical name.

2021-04-15T15:14:21Z

Master Sima Yi moved page Talk:Liberalis Circulus to Talk:Liberalis Circulum: Moving back to canonical name.

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imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Move reversal */

2021-04-13T21:42:59Z

Move reversal

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	:::I support Sima's 3 suggestions and Sol's concern about the naming. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 10:01, 13 April 2021 (UTC)		:::I support Sima's 3 suggestions and Sol's concern about the naming. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 10:01, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
			::::Lacrosse, I don't think Sima's list were different options, but his whole proposal in 3 points. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:42, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
	:::I would suggest Roman Hidden Ones. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 16:59, 13 April 2021 (UTC)		:::I would suggest Roman Hidden Ones. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 16:59, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

imported>Master Sima Yi: /* Move reversal */

2021-04-13T16:59:15Z

Move reversal

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	:::I support Sima's 3 suggestions and Sol's concern about the naming. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 10:01, 13 April 2021 (UTC)		:::I support Sima's 3 suggestions and Sol's concern about the naming. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 10:01, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

			:::I would suggest Roman Hidden Ones. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 16:59, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Move reversal */

2021-04-13T10:01:13Z

Move reversal

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	Seems like the best plan of action, I feel. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 01:16, 13 April 2021 (UTC)		Seems like the best plan of action, I feel. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 01:16, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
	::Okay, but the last thing we still need to figure out is what name to use: "Roman Hidden Ones", "Roman Brotherhood of Assassins", or some other variation? Personally I think "Roman Brotherhood of Assassins" might give the wrong impression it's a more official name as opposed to the descriptive "Roman Hidden Ones", but what do you guys think? As a side-note, I'm fine changing Liberalis Circulus back to Liberalis Circulum despite my prior arguments about grammar. It has grown awkward for me too, and if I am being so strict on grammar, we should technically be inflecting it every time based on its position in a sentence, and I fear that would be too demanding for editors. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:27, 13 April 2021 (UTC)		::Okay, but the last thing we still need to figure out is what name to use: "Roman Hidden Ones", "Roman Brotherhood of Assassins", or some other variation? Personally I think "Roman Brotherhood of Assassins" might give the wrong impression it's a more official name as opposed to the descriptive "Roman Hidden Ones", but what do you guys think? As a side-note, I'm fine changing Liberalis Circulus back to Liberalis Circulum despite my prior arguments about grammar. It has grown awkward for me too, and if I am being so strict on grammar, we should technically be inflecting it every time based on its position in a sentence, and I fear that would be too demanding for editors. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:27, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

			:::I support Sima's 3 suggestions and Sol's concern about the naming. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 10:01, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Move reversal */

2021-04-13T02:27:50Z

Move reversal

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	Seems like the best plan of action, I feel. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 01:16, 13 April 2021 (UTC)		Seems like the best plan of action, I feel. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 01:16, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
			::Okay, but the last thing we still need to figure out is what name to use: "Roman Hidden Ones", "Roman Brotherhood of Assassins", or some other variation? Personally I think "Roman Brotherhood of Assassins" might give the wrong impression it's a more official name as opposed to the descriptive "Roman Hidden Ones", but what do you guys think? As a side-note, I'm fine changing Liberalis Circulus back to Liberalis Circulum despite my prior arguments about grammar. It has grown awkward for me too, and if I am being so strict on grammar, we should technically be inflecting it every time based on its position in a sentence, and I fear that would be too demanding for editors. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:27, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

imported>Soranin: /* Move reversal */

2021-04-13T01:17:22Z

Move reversal

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	~~::::~~Seems like the best plan of action, I feel. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 01:16, 13 April 2021 (UTC)		Seems like the best plan of action, I feel. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 01:16, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

imported>Soranin: /* Move reversal */

2021-04-13T01:16:54Z

Move reversal

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			::::Seems like the best plan of action, I feel. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 01:16, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

imported>Master Sima Yi: /* Move reversal */

2021-04-12T15:30:15Z

Move reversal

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	:::Through ''The Last Crusade'', we also know that there at least was not an Assassin Guild in Venice, but this doesn't necessarily mean that there was no Assassin activity in the city, it just might not have been organized. However, it might also mean that there indeed was no Assassin presence in Italy for a time, or that the Assassins in the whole of Italy indeed were few in number and quite scattered. Domenico Auditore, at least, descended from a long line of Assassins, but his Assassin ancestors might have moved from the Middle East to Italy some generations earlier for all we know.		:::Through ''The Last Crusade'', we also know that there at least was not an Assassin Guild in Venice, but this doesn't necessarily mean that there was no Assassin activity in the city, it just might not have been organized. However, it might also mean that there indeed was no Assassin presence in Italy for a time, or that the Assassins in the whole of Italy indeed were few in number and quite scattered. Domenico Auditore, at least, descended from a long line of Assassins, but his Assassin ancestors might have moved from the Middle East to Italy some generations earlier for all we know.

	:::Personally, I always assumed that ''something'' happened between the fall of the Roman Empire and the Crusades that led to the extinction of Assassin presence in most of Europe, hence why there were so many territories Altaïr attempted to spread Assassin influence to. Now, ''Valhalla'' seems to establish that this is ~~try~~ to an extent, and that the fall of the empire itself is the cause.		:::Personally, I always assumed that ''something'' happened between the fall of the Roman Empire and the Crusades that led to the extinction of Assassin presence in most of Europe, hence why there were so many territories Altaïr attempted to spread Assassin influence to. Now, ''Valhalla'' seems to establish that this is true to an extent, and that the fall of the empire itself is the cause.

	:::Through the notes in the Assassin bureaus in ''Valhalla'' we know that the Hidden Ones retreated from Britain shortly after the Romans pulled back from it, and [[Database: The Hidden Ones]] indicates that this was the case for at least more than one outlying territory. This would also mean that the Assassins' presence in territories to the east of the Roman Empire would not have gone through a similar dissolution or reorganization, as they would not be substantially affected by the empire's fall. This also seems pretty in line with what we know.		:::Through the notes in the Assassin bureaus in ''Valhalla'' we know that the Hidden Ones retreated from Britain shortly after the Romans pulled back from it, and [[Database: The Hidden Ones]] indicates that this was the case for at least more than one outlying territory. This would also mean that the Assassins' presence in territories to the east of the Roman Empire would not have gone through a similar dissolution or reorganization, as they would not be substantially affected by the empire's fall. This also seems pretty in line with what we know.

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	Seems like the best plan of action, I feel. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 01:16, 13 April 2021 (UTC)		Seems like the best plan of action, I feel. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 01:16, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
	::Okay, but the last thing we still need to figure out is what name to use: "Roman Hidden Ones", "Roman Brotherhood of Assassins", or some other variation? Personally I think "Roman Brotherhood of Assassins" might give the wrong impression it's a more official name as opposed to the descriptive "Roman Hidden Ones", but what do you guys think? As a side-note, I'm fine changing Liberalis Circulus back to Liberalis Circulum despite my prior arguments about grammar. It has grown awkward for me too, and if I am being so strict on grammar, we should technically be inflecting it every time based on its position in a sentence, and I fear that would be too demanding for editors. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:27, 13 April 2021 (UTC)		::Okay, but the last thing we still need to figure out is what name to use: "Roman Hidden Ones", "Roman Brotherhood of Assassins", or some other variation? Personally I think "Roman Brotherhood of Assassins" might give the wrong impression it's a more official name as opposed to the descriptive "Roman Hidden Ones", but what do you guys think? As a side-note, I'm fine changing Liberalis Circulus back to Liberalis Circulum despite my prior arguments about grammar. It has grown awkward for me too, and if I am being so strict on grammar, we should technically be inflecting it every time based on its position in a sentence, and I fear that would be too demanding for editors. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:27, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

			:::I support Sima's 3 suggestions and Sol's concern about the naming. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 10:01, 13 April 2021 (UTC)