Talk:Knights Templar - Revision history

imported>Darman36: /Move to Knights Templar/ Matter resolved in Discord on 9 Aug 2025

2025-09-27T05:00:46Z

Move to Knights Templar: Matter resolved in Discord on 9 Aug 2025

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	==Move to Knights Templar==		==Move to Knights Templar==
	~~{{OpenTalk}}~~
	As per discussions with Sol ([[Talk:Templar leader]], [[Talk:Persian Brotherhood of Assassins]]) we are planning to move this page to just Knights Templar to cover the entire public front of the Templars from 1119 to 1312 which includes members like de Molay who are normally not considered Levantine. As such the page will need a new lede. So far I've brainstormed:		As per discussions with Sol ([[Talk:Templar leader]], [[Talk:Persian Brotherhood of Assassins]]) we are planning to move this page to just Knights Templar to cover the entire public front of the Templars from 1119 to 1312 which includes members like de Molay who are normally not considered Levantine. As such the page will need a new lede. So far I've brainstormed:
	<blockquote>The '''Knights Templar''', also known as the '''Order of the Knights Templar''' or the '''Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and the Temple of Solomon''', was the public face of the [[Templar Order]] from its inception in 1119 until its [[Persecution of the Templars\|dissolution]] in 1312. Retrospectively, it has also been considered the '''Levantine Rite''' due to its focus on that region during the [[Crusades]].</blockquote>		<blockquote>The '''Knights Templar''', also known as the '''Order of the Knights Templar''' or the '''Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and the Temple of Solomon''', was the public face of the [[Templar Order]] from its inception in 1119 until its [[Persecution of the Templars\|dissolution]] in 1312. Retrospectively, it has also been considered the '''Levantine Rite''' due to its focus on that region during the [[Crusades]].</blockquote>
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	::While I agree on the creation of the Knights Templar page, I do think that keeping this page separate would be a good idea. Aside from being explicitly identified as a Rite in the ''Essential Guide'', the Templars were active in the Levant both before and after their existence as a public front. Additionally, although the Knights Templar are most well-known for their activities in the Levant, they also operated throughout Europe {{Wiki\|List of Knights Templar sites\|in numerous strongholds}} that they either built or captured for themselves. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 04:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)		::While I agree on the creation of the Knights Templar page, I do think that keeping this page separate would be a good idea. Aside from being explicitly identified as a Rite in the ''Essential Guide'', the Templars were active in the Levant both before and after their existence as a public front. Additionally, although the Knights Templar are most well-known for their activities in the Levant, they also operated throughout Europe {{Wiki\|List of Knights Templar sites\|in numerous strongholds}} that they either built or captured for themselves. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 04:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
	:::So, are we (i.e., is Lacrosse) still doing this or no? It's been 1yr since subject was broached. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 16:45, 7 August 2025 (UTC)		:::So, are we (i.e., is Lacrosse) still doing this or no? It's been 1yr since subject was broached. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 16:45, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
			[Topic resolved in Discord. Lacrosse granted approval on 9 August 2025 to move page.] – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 05:00, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

imported>Darman36: Darman36 moved page Talk:Levantine Rite of the Templar Order to Talk:Knights Templar without leaving a redirect: Per talk page, using original public name, with Rite being retrospective

2025-09-25T20:15:24Z

Darman36 moved page Talk:Levantine Rite of the Templar Order to Talk:Knights Templar without leaving a redirect: Per talk page, using original public name, with Rite being retrospective

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imported>Darman36: /Move to Knights Templar/ Bump

2025-08-07T16:45:31Z

Move to Knights Templar: Bump

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	:I can't think of a specific tweak to the lede, it seems pretty solid, but maybe another introductory paragraph could briefly mention the Order's beginnings as the Ancients (we still never [[Talk:Order of the Ancients\|resolved]] that) before their subsequent reforms first under Alfred and then under Bernard de Clairvaux and Hugues de Payens. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 17:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)		:I can't think of a specific tweak to the lede, it seems pretty solid, but maybe another introductory paragraph could briefly mention the Order's beginnings as the Ancients (we still never [[Talk:Order of the Ancients\|resolved]] that) before their subsequent reforms first under Alfred and then under Bernard de Clairvaux and Hugues de Payens. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 17:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
	::While I agree on the creation of the Knights Templar page, I do think that keeping this page separate would be a good idea. Aside from being explicitly identified as a Rite in the ''Essential Guide'', the Templars were active in the Levant both before and after their existence as a public front. Additionally, although the Knights Templar are most well-known for their activities in the Levant, they also operated throughout Europe {{Wiki\|List of Knights Templar sites\|in numerous strongholds}} that they either built or captured for themselves. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 04:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)		::While I agree on the creation of the Knights Templar page, I do think that keeping this page separate would be a good idea. Aside from being explicitly identified as a Rite in the ''Essential Guide'', the Templars were active in the Levant both before and after their existence as a public front. Additionally, although the Knights Templar are most well-known for their activities in the Levant, they also operated throughout Europe {{Wiki\|List of Knights Templar sites\|in numerous strongholds}} that they either built or captured for themselves. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 04:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
			:::So, are we (i.e., is Lacrosse) still doing this or no? It's been 1yr since subject was broached. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 16:45, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Abbas Sofian? */

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Abbas Sofian?

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	== Abbas Sofian? ==		== Abbas Sofian? ==
			{{OpenTalk}}
	What exactly does the Essential Guide say about him and it is clear and important enough to add it to his page? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:32, June 1, 2020 (UTC)		What exactly does the Essential Guide say about him and it is clear and important enough to add it to his page? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:32, June 1, 2020 (UTC)
			:Bump [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:25, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

	==Move to Knights Templar==		==Move to Knights Templar==

imported>The Wikia Editor at 02:04, 20 July 2024

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	Are there tweaks to that lede that anyone can think of or any other concerns regarding the move? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 05:22, 3 May 2024 (UTC)		Are there tweaks to that lede that anyone can think of or any other concerns regarding the move? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 05:22, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
	:I can't think of a specific tweak to the lede, it seems pretty solid, but maybe another introductory paragraph could briefly mention the Order's beginnings as the Ancients (we still never [[Talk:Order of the Ancients\|resolved]] that) before their subsequent reforms first under Alfred and then under Bernard de Clairvaux and Hugues de Payens. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 17:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)		:I can't think of a specific tweak to the lede, it seems pretty solid, but maybe another introductory paragraph could briefly mention the Order's beginnings as the Ancients (we still never [[Talk:Order of the Ancients\|resolved]] that) before their subsequent reforms first under Alfred and then under Bernard de Clairvaux and Hugues de Payens. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 17:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
			::While I agree on the creation of the Knights Templar page, I do think that keeping this page separate would be a good idea. Aside from being explicitly identified as a Rite in the ''Essential Guide'', the Templars were active in the Levant both before and after their existence as a public front. Additionally, although the Knights Templar are most well-known for their activities in the Levant, they also operated throughout Europe {{Wiki\|List of Knights Templar sites\|in numerous strongholds}} that they either built or captured for themselves. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 04:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

imported>Darman36: /* Move to Knights Templar */

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Move to Knights Templar

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	What exactly does the Essential Guide say about him and it is clear and important enough to add it to his page? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:32, June 1, 2020 (UTC)		What exactly does the Essential Guide say about him and it is clear and important enough to add it to his page? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:32, June 1, 2020 (UTC)

	== Move to Knights Templar ==		==Move to Knights Templar==
			{{OpenTalk}}
	As per discussions with Sol ([[Talk:Templar leader]], [[Talk:Persian Brotherhood of Assassins]]) we are planning to move this page to just Knights Templar to cover the entire public front of the Templars from 1119 to 1312 which includes members like de Molay who are normally not considered Levantine. As such the page will need a new lede. So far I've brainstormed:		As per discussions with Sol ([[Talk:Templar leader]], [[Talk:Persian Brotherhood of Assassins]]) we are planning to move this page to just Knights Templar to cover the entire public front of the Templars from 1119 to 1312 which includes members like de Molay who are normally not considered Levantine. As such the page will need a new lede. So far I've brainstormed:
	<blockquote>The '''Knights Templar''', also known as the '''Order of the Knights Templar''' or the '''Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and the Temple of Solomon''', was the public face of the [[Templar Order]] from its inception in 1119 until its [[Persecution of the Templars\|dissolution]] in 1312. Retrospectively, it has also been considered the '''Levantine Rite''' due to its focus on that region during the [[Crusades]].</blockquote>		<blockquote>The '''Knights Templar''', also known as the '''Order of the Knights Templar''' or the '''Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and the Temple of Solomon''', was the public face of the [[Templar Order]] from its inception in 1119 until its [[Persecution of the Templars\|dissolution]] in 1312. Retrospectively, it has also been considered the '''Levantine Rite''' due to its focus on that region during the [[Crusades]].</blockquote>
	Are there tweaks to that lede that anyone can think of or any other concerns regarding the move? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 05:22, 3 May 2024 (UTC)		Are there tweaks to that lede that anyone can think of or any other concerns regarding the move? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 05:22, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
			:I can't think of a specific tweak to the lede, it seems pretty solid, but maybe another introductory paragraph could briefly mention the Order's beginnings as the Ancients (we still never [[Talk:Order of the Ancients\|resolved]] that) before their subsequent reforms first under Alfred and then under Bernard de Clairvaux and Hugues de Payens. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 17:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Move to Knights Templar */ new section

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	What exactly does the Essential Guide say about him and it is clear and important enough to add it to his page? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:32, June 1, 2020 (UTC)		What exactly does the Essential Guide say about him and it is clear and important enough to add it to his page? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:32, June 1, 2020 (UTC)

			== Move to Knights Templar ==

			As per discussions with Sol ([[Talk:Templar leader]], [[Talk:Persian Brotherhood of Assassins]]) we are planning to move this page to just Knights Templar to cover the entire public front of the Templars from 1119 to 1312 which includes members like de Molay who are normally not considered Levantine. As such the page will need a new lede. So far I've brainstormed:
			<blockquote>The '''Knights Templar''', also known as the '''Order of the Knights Templar''' or the '''Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and the Temple of Solomon''', was the public face of the [[Templar Order]] from its inception in 1119 until its [[Persecution of the Templars\|dissolution]] in 1312. Retrospectively, it has also been considered the '''Levantine Rite''' due to its focus on that region during the [[Crusades]].</blockquote>
			Are there tweaks to that lede that anyone can think of or any other concerns regarding the move? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 05:22, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Abbas Sofian? */ new section

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Abbas Sofian?: new section

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	I should also add that while the information might be unknown to ''us'', it is not to some in-universe characters, such as in this case, the Templars. The "unknown" moniker is therefore coming from an OOU perspective and violates our policy of writing from an IU perspective, or so is my interpretation. I might be wrong though and the infobox doesn't have to be IU, given the "appearance" parameter, but I had assumed that that's because there are specific OOU parameters for an infobox, and "founder" is not one of them. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:02, February 8, 2017 (UTC)		I should also add that while the information might be unknown to ''us'', it is not to some in-universe characters, such as in this case, the Templars. The "unknown" moniker is therefore coming from an OOU perspective and violates our policy of writing from an IU perspective, or so is my interpretation. I might be wrong though and the infobox doesn't have to be IU, given the "appearance" parameter, but I had assumed that that's because there are specific OOU parameters for an infobox, and "founder" is not one of them. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:02, February 8, 2017 (UTC)

			== Abbas Sofian? ==

			What exactly does the Essential Guide say about him and it is clear and important enough to add it to his page? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:32, June 1, 2020 (UTC)

imported>RebeccaAWB: Adding {{Talkheader}}

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imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Founder parameter */ new section

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	:Good question. Yes, it does actually. [[Robert de Sablé]]'s entry has him specifically listed as a member of the "Levantine Rite". (I actually think it's possible for the Templars to have applied the name to Robert de Sablé's group retroactively in-universe, but that would be pure speculation). [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 13:10, February 8, 2017 (UTC)		:Good question. Yes, it does actually. [[Robert de Sablé]]'s entry has him specifically listed as a member of the "Levantine Rite". (I actually think it's possible for the Templars to have applied the name to Robert de Sablé's group retroactively in-universe, but that would be pure speculation). [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 13:10, February 8, 2017 (UTC)
	:Beyond what Sol said. That hasn't stated at all and was how everyone assumed the structure of the Templar Order was. We also have sources of various Templars before the Crusades that didn't operate in the Middle East, so the Templars existed before the Crusades. What is started is that De Payees did made the Templars an official order and what De Molay did was return the Order to the shadows, the sources for that does't mention any Rites. Because of that we assumed there was no such thing as Rites until after De Molay. The Grand Masters from De Payees to De Molay are also stated that they was the ''official'' Grand Masters. Add this and that the ''The Essential Guide'' overrule this by stating Grand Masters control specific Rites and that Rites are defined geographically. Then we basically have a confirmation of the existence of Rites based on the Templars operating in their geographical region and what region each Grand Master controlled. De Molay sent 9 Templars with the knowledge of the accident away. But that itself does't prove anything else than that he sent 9 people away.--[[User:ACsenior\|ACsenior]] ([[User talk:ACsenior\|talk]]) 16:31, February 8, 2017 (UTC)		:Beyond what Sol said. That hasn't stated at all and was how everyone assumed the structure of the Templar Order was. We also have sources of various Templars before the Crusades that didn't operate in the Middle East, so the Templars existed before the Crusades. What is started is that De Payees did made the Templars an official order and what De Molay did was return the Order to the shadows, the sources for that does't mention any Rites. Because of that we assumed there was no such thing as Rites until after De Molay. The Grand Masters from De Payees to De Molay are also stated that they was the ''official'' Grand Masters. Add this and that the ''The Essential Guide'' overrule this by stating Grand Masters control specific Rites and that Rites are defined geographically. Then we basically have a confirmation of the existence of Rites based on the Templars operating in their geographical region and what region each Grand Master controlled. De Molay sent 9 Templars with the knowledge of the accident away. But that itself does't prove anything else than that he sent 9 people away.--[[User:ACsenior\|ACsenior]] ([[User talk:ACsenior\|talk]]) 16:31, February 8, 2017 (UTC)

			== Founder parameter ==

			Since the "Founder" parameter was changed to "unknown", given that—as I agree—we do not know for sure that the Levantine Rite did not exist before Hugues de Payens and Bernard de Clairvaux made it public (which would constitute as a reorganization instead), I removed it entirely, but it has been reverted, and so I shall explain my reasoning here.

			It has been our consistent format that parameters that are unknown be left blank. Subjects of articles might have several unknown parameters, and it just unnecessarily bloats the article to keep on listing "N/A" or "unknown". Instead we leave them blank, and they get hidden from the infobox instead. This is also why infoboxes have a "hide" option for sections of infoboxes where there is no information.

			I should also add that while the information might be unknown to ''us'', it is not to some in-universe characters, such as in this case, the Templars. The "unknown" moniker is therefore coming from an OOU perspective and violates our policy of writing from an IU perspective, or so is my interpretation. I might be wrong though and the infobox doesn't have to be IU, given the "appearance" parameter, but I had assumed that that's because there are specific OOU parameters for an infobox, and "founder" is not one of them. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:02, February 8, 2017 (UTC)

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	:I can't think of a specific tweak to the lede, it seems pretty solid, but maybe another introductory paragraph could briefly mention the Order's beginnings as the Ancients (we still never [[Talk:Order of the Ancients\|resolved]] that) before their subsequent reforms first under Alfred and then under Bernard de Clairvaux and Hugues de Payens. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 17:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)		:I can't think of a specific tweak to the lede, it seems pretty solid, but maybe another introductory paragraph could briefly mention the Order's beginnings as the Ancients (we still never [[Talk:Order of the Ancients\|resolved]] that) before their subsequent reforms first under Alfred and then under Bernard de Clairvaux and Hugues de Payens. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 17:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
	::While I agree on the creation of the Knights Templar page, I do think that keeping this page separate would be a good idea. Aside from being explicitly identified as a Rite in the ''Essential Guide'', the Templars were active in the Levant both before and after their existence as a public front. Additionally, although the Knights Templar are most well-known for their activities in the Levant, they also operated throughout Europe {{Wiki\|List of Knights Templar sites\|in numerous strongholds}} that they either built or captured for themselves. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 04:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)		::While I agree on the creation of the Knights Templar page, I do think that keeping this page separate would be a good idea. Aside from being explicitly identified as a Rite in the ''Essential Guide'', the Templars were active in the Levant both before and after their existence as a public front. Additionally, although the Knights Templar are most well-known for their activities in the Levant, they also operated throughout Europe {{Wiki\|List of Knights Templar sites\|in numerous strongholds}} that they either built or captured for themselves. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 04:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
			:::So, are we (i.e., is Lacrosse) still doing this or no? It's been 1yr since subject was broached. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 16:45, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

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	Are there tweaks to that lede that anyone can think of or any other concerns regarding the move? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 05:22, 3 May 2024 (UTC)		Are there tweaks to that lede that anyone can think of or any other concerns regarding the move? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 05:22, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
	:I can't think of a specific tweak to the lede, it seems pretty solid, but maybe another introductory paragraph could briefly mention the Order's beginnings as the Ancients (we still never [[Talk:Order of the Ancients\|resolved]] that) before their subsequent reforms first under Alfred and then under Bernard de Clairvaux and Hugues de Payens. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 17:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)		:I can't think of a specific tweak to the lede, it seems pretty solid, but maybe another introductory paragraph could briefly mention the Order's beginnings as the Ancients (we still never [[Talk:Order of the Ancients\|resolved]] that) before their subsequent reforms first under Alfred and then under Bernard de Clairvaux and Hugues de Payens. – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 17:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
			::While I agree on the creation of the Knights Templar page, I do think that keeping this page separate would be a good idea. Aside from being explicitly identified as a Rite in the ''Essential Guide'', the Templars were active in the Levant both before and after their existence as a public front. Additionally, although the Knights Templar are most well-known for their activities in the Levant, they also operated throughout Europe {{Wiki\|List of Knights Templar sites\|in numerous strongholds}} that they either built or captured for themselves. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 04:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)