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	Bumping this because Valhalla added quite a few katanas to the helix store. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:21, 2 January 2023 (UTC)		Bumping this because Valhalla added quite a few katanas to the helix store. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:21, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

			:I'd say yes, sure. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 22:33, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

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	Should we include the actual names with links to their individual articles in the tables of the weapon statistic sections? Also what did we decide on the [[Blade of Yumminess]]? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 05:24, July 18, 2020 (UTC)		Should we include the actual names with links to their individual articles in the tables of the weapon statistic sections? Also what did we decide on the [[Blade of Yumminess]]? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 05:24, July 18, 2020 (UTC)

			Bumping this because Valhalla added quite a few katanas to the helix store. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:21, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

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	:::You have kind of a point though that the katana is a cliché sword type that is more likely to be used as a basis by game developers even if they could have created this from any saber template. I think the thing about Chinese swords like the goose quill saber and the willow leaf saber is actually that they're less exotic even if also less cliché than the katana. They're fairly generic in design, and it's almost easy to accidentally design them without meaning to.		:::You have kind of a point though that the katana is a cliché sword type that is more likely to be used as a basis by game developers even if they could have created this from any saber template. I think the thing about Chinese swords like the goose quill saber and the willow leaf saber is actually that they're less exotic even if also less cliché than the katana. They're fairly generic in design, and it's almost easy to accidentally design them without meaning to.
	:::Well, regardless of what the developers used as their basis, I glad we can agree that the Blade of the Ephemeral doesn't fit into any real world classification perfectly. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:09, May 26, 2020 (UTC)		:::Well, regardless of what the developers used as their basis, I glad we can agree that the Blade of the Ephemeral doesn't fit into any real world classification perfectly. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:09, May 26, 2020 (UTC)

			== Names of specific instances ==

			Should we include the actual names with links to their individual articles in the tables of the weapon statistic sections? Also what did we decide on the [[Blade of Yumminess]]? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 05:24, July 18, 2020 (UTC)

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	:As for the Blade of the Ephemeral, it's no question that it would be anachronistic no matter what. Swords like this simply didn't exist anywhere in the 1st century BCE, so the anachronism is moot at this point. However, the texture of the hilt is another feature that I think makes it look not Japanese, and even if it were, all the other characteristics of the sword still deviates so far from what a katana is. Why could we not imagine that it's a fantasy Middle Eastern scimitar or a fantasy European falchion or a fantasy any other weapon? As it is, it could even be a fantasy willow leaf saber, which it certainly resembles more closely [https://www.mandarinmansion.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/liuyedao-late-18th-century.jpg][https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/58/86/385886c4480fc8b4904160742a7c6a41.jpg][https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/L1k5EG13VaIat61GEO8SNPD6CTNQRSyXhDNnT_xL74BmHYBRoZf-Ibxuc1R5lk3XmiQvwlRwL5gtJAcluTXEsA0CUpmG_HUpwA]. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:58, May 25, 2020 (UTC)		:As for the Blade of the Ephemeral, it's no question that it would be anachronistic no matter what. Swords like this simply didn't exist anywhere in the 1st century BCE, so the anachronism is moot at this point. However, the texture of the hilt is another feature that I think makes it look not Japanese, and even if it were, all the other characteristics of the sword still deviates so far from what a katana is. Why could we not imagine that it's a fantasy Middle Eastern scimitar or a fantasy European falchion or a fantasy any other weapon? As it is, it could even be a fantasy willow leaf saber, which it certainly resembles more closely [https://www.mandarinmansion.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/liuyedao-late-18th-century.jpg][https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/58/86/385886c4480fc8b4904160742a7c6a41.jpg][https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/L1k5EG13VaIat61GEO8SNPD6CTNQRSyXhDNnT_xL74BmHYBRoZf-Ibxuc1R5lk3XmiQvwlRwL5gtJAcluTXEsA0CUpmG_HUpwA]. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:58, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
	:: Yeah, probably it is too fictional to associate it with a real world classification. I also considered the option of it being a Chinese sworld but the swords you show (and other google results) have either too bent handles or too short handles compared to the BOTE. I think the way the handle is straight and like a continuation of the blade is more akin to the katanas. The guard is apparently entirely fictional so it won't help us much. Maybe if we bother to photoshop the silhouette of the BOTE onto some swords might help to see if its profile matches. It's just that I'm more inclined to believe that the devs would base it on the cliched katana than some more exotic swords, even though they already have quite exotic weapons in the games. [[User:Nanomat\|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat\|talk]]) 01:03, May 26, 2020 (UTC)		:: Yeah, probably it is too fictional to associate it with a real world classification. I also considered the option of it being a Chinese sworld but the swords you show (and other google results) have either too bent handles or too short handles compared to the BOTE. I think the way the handle is straight and like a continuation of the blade is more akin to the katanas. The guard is apparently entirely fictional so it won't help us much. Maybe if we bother to photoshop the silhouette of the BOTE onto some swords might help to see if its profile matches. It's just that I'm more inclined to believe that the devs would base it on the cliched katana than some more exotic swords, even though they already have quite exotic weapons in the games. [[User:Nanomat\|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat\|talk]]) 01:03, May 26, 2020 (UTC)
	:::There were just a few more details about the sword I wanted to clarify. Not all willow leaf sabers have curved hilts; it is just more common today. From the image you linked, the Blade of the Ephemeral seems to have a short grip that is clearly proportioned for only one-handed use, and a katana necessarily has a grip long enough to constantly accommodate two hands. Apart from this, one of the details that really stand out to me is the blade cross-section. It seems to be hollow-ground, i.e. with a center ridge protruding upwards. I've never seen a katana blade ever have such a prominent ridge and concave edges at its rear, and I would think it would drastically alter the way it cuts, but I am no expert.		:::There were just a few more details about the sword I wanted to clarify. Not all willow leaf sabers have curved hilts;[https://www.mandarinmansion.com/article/geese-and-willows] it is just more common today. From the image you linked, the Blade of the Ephemeral seems to have a short grip that is clearly proportioned for only one-handed use, and a katana necessarily has a grip long enough to constantly accommodate two hands. Apart from this, one of the details that really stand out to me is the blade cross-section. It seems to be hollow-ground, i.e. with a center ridge protruding upwards. I've never seen a katana blade ever have such a prominent ridge and concave edges at its rear, and I would think it would drastically alter the way it cuts, but I am no expert.
	:::You have kind of a point though that the katana is a cliché sword type that is more likely to be used as a basis by game developers even if they could have created this from any saber template. I think the thing about Chinese swords like the goose quill saber and the willow leaf saber is actually that they're less exotic even if also less cliché than the katana. They're fairly generic in design, and it's almost easy to accidentally design them without meaning to.		:::You have kind of a point though that the katana is a cliché sword type that is more likely to be used as a basis by game developers even if they could have created this from any saber template. I think the thing about Chinese swords like the goose quill saber and the willow leaf saber is actually that they're less exotic even if also less cliché than the katana. They're fairly generic in design, and it's almost easy to accidentally design them without meaning to.
	:::Well, regardless of what the developers used as their basis, I glad we can agree that the Blade of the Ephemeral doesn't fit into any real world classification perfectly. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:09, May 26, 2020 (UTC)		:::Well, regardless of what the developers used as their basis, I glad we can agree that the Blade of the Ephemeral doesn't fit into any real world classification perfectly. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:09, May 26, 2020 (UTC)

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	:As for the Blade of the Ephemeral, it's no question that it would be anachronistic no matter what. Swords like this simply didn't exist anywhere in the 1st century BCE, so the anachronism is moot at this point. However, the texture of the hilt is another feature that I think makes it look not Japanese, and even if it were, all the other characteristics of the sword still deviates so far from what a katana is. Why could we not imagine that it's a fantasy Middle Eastern scimitar or a fantasy European falchion or a fantasy any other weapon? As it is, it could even be a fantasy willow leaf saber, which it certainly resembles more closely [https://www.mandarinmansion.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/liuyedao-late-18th-century.jpg][https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/58/86/385886c4480fc8b4904160742a7c6a41.jpg][https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/L1k5EG13VaIat61GEO8SNPD6CTNQRSyXhDNnT_xL74BmHYBRoZf-Ibxuc1R5lk3XmiQvwlRwL5gtJAcluTXEsA0CUpmG_HUpwA]. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:58, May 25, 2020 (UTC)		:As for the Blade of the Ephemeral, it's no question that it would be anachronistic no matter what. Swords like this simply didn't exist anywhere in the 1st century BCE, so the anachronism is moot at this point. However, the texture of the hilt is another feature that I think makes it look not Japanese, and even if it were, all the other characteristics of the sword still deviates so far from what a katana is. Why could we not imagine that it's a fantasy Middle Eastern scimitar or a fantasy European falchion or a fantasy any other weapon? As it is, it could even be a fantasy willow leaf saber, which it certainly resembles more closely [https://www.mandarinmansion.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/liuyedao-late-18th-century.jpg][https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/58/86/385886c4480fc8b4904160742a7c6a41.jpg][https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/L1k5EG13VaIat61GEO8SNPD6CTNQRSyXhDNnT_xL74BmHYBRoZf-Ibxuc1R5lk3XmiQvwlRwL5gtJAcluTXEsA0CUpmG_HUpwA]. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:58, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
	:: Yeah, probably it is too fictional to associate it with a real world classification. I also considered the option of it being a Chinese sworld but the swords you show (and other google results) have either too bent handles or too short handles compared to the BOTE. I think the way the handle is straight and like a continuation of the blade is more akin to the katanas. The guard is apparently entirely fictional so it won't help us much. Maybe if we bother to photoshop the silhouette of the BOTE onto some swords might help to see if its profile matches. It's just that I'm more inclined to believe that the devs would base it on the cliched katana than some more exotic swords, even though they already have quite exotic weapons in the games. [[User:Nanomat\|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat\|talk]]) 01:03, May 26, 2020 (UTC)		:: Yeah, probably it is too fictional to associate it with a real world classification. I also considered the option of it being a Chinese sworld but the swords you show (and other google results) have either too bent handles or too short handles compared to the BOTE. I think the way the handle is straight and like a continuation of the blade is more akin to the katanas. The guard is apparently entirely fictional so it won't help us much. Maybe if we bother to photoshop the silhouette of the BOTE onto some swords might help to see if its profile matches. It's just that I'm more inclined to believe that the devs would base it on the cliched katana than some more exotic swords, even though they already have quite exotic weapons in the games. [[User:Nanomat\|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat\|talk]]) 01:03, May 26, 2020 (UTC)
			:::There were just a few more details about the sword I wanted to clarify. Not all willow leaf sabers have curved hilts; it is just more common today. From the image you linked, the Blade of the Ephemeral seems to have a short grip that is clearly proportioned for only one-handed use, and a katana necessarily has a grip long enough to constantly accommodate two hands. Apart from this, one of the details that really stand out to me is the blade cross-section. It seems to be hollow-ground, i.e. with a center ridge protruding upwards. I've never seen a katana blade ever have such a prominent ridge and concave edges at its rear, and I would think it would drastically alter the way it cuts, but I am no expert.
			:::You have kind of a point though that the katana is a cliché sword type that is more likely to be used as a basis by game developers even if they could have created this from any saber template. I think the thing about Chinese swords like the goose quill saber and the willow leaf saber is actually that they're less exotic even if also less cliché than the katana. They're fairly generic in design, and it's almost easy to accidentally design them without meaning to.
			:::Well, regardless of what the developers used as their basis, I glad we can agree that the Blade of the Ephemeral doesn't fit into any real world classification perfectly. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:09, May 26, 2020 (UTC)

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	:It's not really the color of the swords that make them look different to me but the shape of the blade. The Blade of Yumminess looks incredibly dull, but you are right it would be weird for them to make a different model. I would have to see if I can get the weapons myself to verify.		:It's not really the color of the swords that make them look different to me but the shape of the blade. The Blade of Yumminess looks incredibly dull, but you are right it would be weird for them to make a different model. I would have to see if I can get the weapons myself to verify.
	:As for the Blade of the Ephemeral, it's no question that it would be anachronistic no matter what. Swords like this simply didn't exist anywhere in the 1st century BCE, so the anachronism is moot at this point. However, the texture of the hilt is another feature that I think makes it look not Japanese, and even if it were, all the other characteristics of the sword still deviates so far from what a katana is. Why could we not imagine that it's a fantasy Middle Eastern scimitar or a fantasy European falchion or a fantasy any other weapon? As it is, it could even be a fantasy willow leaf saber, which it certainly resembles more closely [https://www.mandarinmansion.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/liuyedao-late-18th-century.jpg][https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/58/86/385886c4480fc8b4904160742a7c6a41.jpg][https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/L1k5EG13VaIat61GEO8SNPD6CTNQRSyXhDNnT_xL74BmHYBRoZf-Ibxuc1R5lk3XmiQvwlRwL5gtJAcluTXEsA0CUpmG_HUpwA]. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:58, May 25, 2020 (UTC)		:As for the Blade of the Ephemeral, it's no question that it would be anachronistic no matter what. Swords like this simply didn't exist anywhere in the 1st century BCE, so the anachronism is moot at this point. However, the texture of the hilt is another feature that I think makes it look not Japanese, and even if it were, all the other characteristics of the sword still deviates so far from what a katana is. Why could we not imagine that it's a fantasy Middle Eastern scimitar or a fantasy European falchion or a fantasy any other weapon? As it is, it could even be a fantasy willow leaf saber, which it certainly resembles more closely [https://www.mandarinmansion.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/liuyedao-late-18th-century.jpg][https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/58/86/385886c4480fc8b4904160742a7c6a41.jpg][https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/L1k5EG13VaIat61GEO8SNPD6CTNQRSyXhDNnT_xL74BmHYBRoZf-Ibxuc1R5lk3XmiQvwlRwL5gtJAcluTXEsA0CUpmG_HUpwA]. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:58, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
			:: Yeah, probably it is too fictional to associate it with a real world classification. I also considered the option of it being a Chinese sworld but the swords you show (and other google results) have either too bent handles or too short handles compared to the BOTE. I think the way the handle is straight and like a continuation of the blade is more akin to the katanas. The guard is apparently entirely fictional so it won't help us much. Maybe if we bother to photoshop the silhouette of the BOTE onto some swords might help to see if its profile matches. It's just that I'm more inclined to believe that the devs would base it on the cliched katana than some more exotic swords, even though they already have quite exotic weapons in the games. [[User:Nanomat\|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat\|talk]]) 01:03, May 26, 2020 (UTC)

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	::::::I think they are at least judging by the similar hilts and the amount of other recycled weapon models in the game but maybe better photo comparison is needed. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 20:12, May 25, 2020 (UTC)		::::::I think they are at least judging by the similar hilts and the amount of other recycled weapon models in the game but maybe better photo comparison is needed. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 20:12, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
	I believe the model of the Blade of Yumminess is recycled from the Ippei Blade, it's just the lighting in this picture that makes it look different. Also bear in mind that most of the recycled weapons have some of their elements with different coloration apparently to make them at least slightly different and fresh. I doubt that they would bother to maker a new model for a weapon which essentially has the same design. As for the [[Blade of the Ephemeral]], I believe that is also a katana it's just somewhat "demonified" or "kami-fied" or whatever they were going after with the skull and design in general. If it were supposed to be an European sword, EU swords with this style of blade would be even more anachronistic as they started appearing maybe 17-18th century and it should have had a hilt guard. Also the [https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Jl9gov textures of the handle] look to me like some kind of a Japanese pattern. [[User:Nanomat\|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat\|talk]]) 21:21, May 25, 2020 (UTC)		I believe the model of the Blade of Yumminess is recycled from the Ippei Blade, it's just the lighting in this picture that makes it look different. Also bear in mind that most of the recycled weapons have some of their elements with different coloration apparently to make them at least slightly different and fresh. I doubt that they would bother to maker a new model for a weapon which essentially has the same design. As for the [[Blade of the Ephemeral]], I believe that is also a katana it's just somewhat "demonified" or "kami-fied" or whatever they were going after with the skull and design in general. If it were supposed to be an European sword, EU swords with this style of blade would be even more anachronistic as they started appearing maybe 17-18th century and it should have had a hilt guard. Also the [https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Jl9gov textures of the handle] look to me like some kind of a Japanese pattern. [[User:Nanomat\|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat\|talk]]) 21:21, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
			:It's not really the color of the swords that make them look different to me but the shape of the blade. The Blade of Yumminess looks incredibly dull, but you are right it would be weird for them to make a different model. I would have to see if I can get the weapons myself to verify.
			:As for the Blade of the Ephemeral, it's no question that it would be anachronistic no matter what. Swords like this simply didn't exist anywhere in the 1st century BCE, so the anachronism is moot at this point. However, the texture of the hilt is another feature that I think makes it look not Japanese, and even if it were, all the other characteristics of the sword still deviates so far from what a katana is. Why could we not imagine that it's a fantasy Middle Eastern scimitar or a fantasy European falchion or a fantasy any other weapon? As it is, it could even be a fantasy willow leaf saber, which it certainly resembles more closely [https://www.mandarinmansion.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/liuyedao-late-18th-century.jpg][https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/58/86/385886c4480fc8b4904160742a7c6a41.jpg][https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/L1k5EG13VaIat61GEO8SNPD6CTNQRSyXhDNnT_xL74BmHYBRoZf-Ibxuc1R5lk3XmiQvwlRwL5gtJAcluTXEsA0CUpmG_HUpwA]. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:58, May 25, 2020 (UTC)

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	:::::I think the Blade of Yumminess certainly has an East Asian origin, but I am very doubtful that it's a katana after looking at the image provided by Nanomat for the reasons I've already explained. It could very well be an older Chinese sword, but even if it were Japanese, I'm not sure if it would necessarily be a katana. The reason is because in English, ''katana'' tends to refer to a specific type of Japanese sword and not just any Japanese sword, but in Japanese and Chinese ''katana'' (the indigenous Japanese reading), ''tō'' (the Sino-Japanese reading), or ''dou'' (the Cantonese reading) is a word for any single-edged sword, even European and Turkish sabers. Maybe if Nanomat can track down Ubisoft's source or model for this weapon, we can better certify if it's Japanese instead of Chinese, and if it's actually a katana. EDIT: For clarification, it doesn't look to me like the model of the Blade of Yumminess is recycled from the Ippei Blade, but I could be wrong. It could just be the different angles of the two swords. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:00, May 25, 2020 (UTC)		:::::I think the Blade of Yumminess certainly has an East Asian origin, but I am very doubtful that it's a katana after looking at the image provided by Nanomat for the reasons I've already explained. It could very well be an older Chinese sword, but even if it were Japanese, I'm not sure if it would necessarily be a katana. The reason is because in English, ''katana'' tends to refer to a specific type of Japanese sword and not just any Japanese sword, but in Japanese and Chinese ''katana'' (the indigenous Japanese reading), ''tō'' (the Sino-Japanese reading), or ''dou'' (the Cantonese reading) is a word for any single-edged sword, even European and Turkish sabers. Maybe if Nanomat can track down Ubisoft's source or model for this weapon, we can better certify if it's Japanese instead of Chinese, and if it's actually a katana. EDIT: For clarification, it doesn't look to me like the model of the Blade of Yumminess is recycled from the Ippei Blade, but I could be wrong. It could just be the different angles of the two swords. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:00, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
	::::::I think they are at least judging by the similar hilts and the amount of other recycled weapon models in the game but maybe better photo comparison is needed. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 20:12, May 25, 2020 (UTC)		::::::I think they are at least judging by the similar hilts and the amount of other recycled weapon models in the game but maybe better photo comparison is needed. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 20:12, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
			I believe the model of the Blade of Yumminess is recycled from the Ippei Blade, it's just the lighting in this picture that makes it look different. Also bear in mind that most of the recycled weapons have some of their elements with different coloration apparently to make them at least slightly different and fresh. I doubt that they would bother to maker a new model for a weapon which essentially has the same design. As for the [[Blade of the Ephemeral]], I believe that is also a katana it's just somewhat "demonified" or "kami-fied" or whatever they were going after with the skull and design in general. If it were supposed to be an European sword, EU swords with this style of blade would be even more anachronistic as they started appearing maybe 17-18th century and it should have had a hilt guard. Also the [https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Jl9gov textures of the handle] look to me like some kind of a Japanese pattern. [[User:Nanomat\|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat\|talk]]) 21:21, May 25, 2020 (UTC)

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	::::I did mean the Ephemeral Blade but at the time was just going off my memory but on review you are right. The Ippei Blade is a helix item so yes Animus mod. The Yumminess Blade as noted is a bit more difficult but even its description obliquely hints at Japanese (well non-Greek) origin. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 19:46, May 25, 2020 (UTC)		::::I did mean the Ephemeral Blade but at the time was just going off my memory but on review you are right. The Ippei Blade is a helix item so yes Animus mod. The Yumminess Blade as noted is a bit more difficult but even its description obliquely hints at Japanese (well non-Greek) origin. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 19:46, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
	:::::I think the Blade of Yumminess certainly has an East Asian origin, but I am very doubtful that it's a katana after looking at the image provided by Nanomat for the reasons I've already explained. It could very well be an older Chinese sword, but even if it were Japanese, I'm not sure if it would necessarily be a katana. The reason is because in English, ''katana'' tends to refer to a specific type of Japanese sword and not just any Japanese sword, but in Japanese and Chinese ''katana'' (the indigenous Japanese reading), ''tō'' (the Sino-Japanese reading), or ''dou'' (the Cantonese reading) is a word for any single-edged sword, even European and Turkish sabers. Maybe if Nanomat can track down Ubisoft's source or model for this weapon, we can better certify if it's Japanese instead of Chinese, and if it's actually a katana. EDIT: For clarification, it doesn't look to me like the model of the Blade of Yumminess is recycled from the Ippei Blade, but I could be wrong. It could just be the different angles of the two swords. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:00, May 25, 2020 (UTC)		:::::I think the Blade of Yumminess certainly has an East Asian origin, but I am very doubtful that it's a katana after looking at the image provided by Nanomat for the reasons I've already explained. It could very well be an older Chinese sword, but even if it were Japanese, I'm not sure if it would necessarily be a katana. The reason is because in English, ''katana'' tends to refer to a specific type of Japanese sword and not just any Japanese sword, but in Japanese and Chinese ''katana'' (the indigenous Japanese reading), ''tō'' (the Sino-Japanese reading), or ''dou'' (the Cantonese reading) is a word for any single-edged sword, even European and Turkish sabers. Maybe if Nanomat can track down Ubisoft's source or model for this weapon, we can better certify if it's Japanese instead of Chinese, and if it's actually a katana. EDIT: For clarification, it doesn't look to me like the model of the Blade of Yumminess is recycled from the Ippei Blade, but I could be wrong. It could just be the different angles of the two swords. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:00, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
			::::::I think they are at least judging by the similar hilts and the amount of other recycled weapon models in the game but maybe better photo comparison is needed. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 20:12, May 25, 2020 (UTC)

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	:::If the Ippei Blade is just an Animus mod which Bayek didn't canonically wield, I'd be comfortable adding it to this page as a katana. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:09, May 25, 2020 (UTC)		:::If the Ippei Blade is just an Animus mod which Bayek didn't canonically wield, I'd be comfortable adding it to this page as a katana. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:09, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
	::::I did mean the Ephemeral Blade but at the time was just going off my memory but on review you are right. The Ippei Blade is a helix item so yes Animus mod. The Yumminess Blade as noted is a bit more difficult but even its description obliquely hints at Japanese (well non-Greek) origin. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 19:46, May 25, 2020 (UTC)		::::I did mean the Ephemeral Blade but at the time was just going off my memory but on review you are right. The Ippei Blade is a helix item so yes Animus mod. The Yumminess Blade as noted is a bit more difficult but even its description obliquely hints at Japanese (well non-Greek) origin. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 19:46, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
	:::::I think the Blade of Yumminess certainly has an East Asian origin, but I am very doubtful that it's a katana after looking at the image provided by Nanomat for the reasons I've already explained. It could very well be an older Chinese sword, but even if it were Japanese, I'm not sure if it would necessarily be a katana. The reason is because in English, ''katana'' tends to refer to a specific type of Japanese sword and not just any Japanese sword, but in Japanese and Chinese ''katana'' (the indigenous Japanese reading), ''tō'' (the Sino-Japanese reading), or ''dou'' (the Cantonese reading) is a word for any single-edged sword, even European and Turkish sabers. Maybe if Nanomat can track down Ubisoft's source or model for this weapon, we can better certify if it's Japanese instead of Chinese, and if it's actually a katana. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:00, May 25, 2020 (UTC)		:::::I think the Blade of Yumminess certainly has an East Asian origin, but I am very doubtful that it's a katana after looking at the image provided by Nanomat for the reasons I've already explained. It could very well be an older Chinese sword, but even if it were Japanese, I'm not sure if it would necessarily be a katana. The reason is because in English, ''katana'' tends to refer to a specific type of Japanese sword and not just any Japanese sword, but in Japanese and Chinese ''katana'' (the indigenous Japanese reading), ''tō'' (the Sino-Japanese reading), or ''dou'' (the Cantonese reading) is a word for any single-edged sword, even European and Turkish sabers. Maybe if Nanomat can track down Ubisoft's source or model for this weapon, we can better certify if it's Japanese instead of Chinese, and if it's actually a katana. EDIT: For clarification, it doesn't look to me like the model of the Blade of Yumminess is recycled from the Ippei Blade, but I could be wrong. It could just be the different angles of the two swords. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:00, May 25, 2020 (UTC)

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	:::::I think the Blade of Yumminess certainly has an East Asian origin, but I am very doubtful that it's a katana after looking at the image provided by Nanomat for the reasons I've already explained. It could very well be an older Chinese sword, but even if it were Japanese, I'm not sure if it would necessarily be a katana. The reason is because in English, ''katana'' tends to refer to a specific type of Japanese sword and not just any Japanese sword, but in Japanese and Chinese ''katana'' (the indigenous Japanese reading), ''tō'' (the Sino-Japanese reading), or ''dou'' (the Cantonese reading) is a word for any single-edged sword, even European and Turkish sabers. Maybe if Nanomat can track down Ubisoft's source or model for this weapon, we can better certify if it's Japanese instead of Chinese, and if it's actually a katana. EDIT: For clarification, it doesn't look to me like the model of the Blade of Yumminess is recycled from the Ippei Blade, but I could be wrong. It could just be the different angles of the two swords. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:00, May 25, 2020 (UTC)		:::::I think the Blade of Yumminess certainly has an East Asian origin, but I am very doubtful that it's a katana after looking at the image provided by Nanomat for the reasons I've already explained. It could very well be an older Chinese sword, but even if it were Japanese, I'm not sure if it would necessarily be a katana. The reason is because in English, ''katana'' tends to refer to a specific type of Japanese sword and not just any Japanese sword, but in Japanese and Chinese ''katana'' (the indigenous Japanese reading), ''tō'' (the Sino-Japanese reading), or ''dou'' (the Cantonese reading) is a word for any single-edged sword, even European and Turkish sabers. Maybe if Nanomat can track down Ubisoft's source or model for this weapon, we can better certify if it's Japanese instead of Chinese, and if it's actually a katana. EDIT: For clarification, it doesn't look to me like the model of the Blade of Yumminess is recycled from the Ippei Blade, but I could be wrong. It could just be the different angles of the two swords. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:00, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
	::::::I think they are at least judging by the similar hilts and the amount of other recycled weapon models in the game but maybe better photo comparison is needed. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 20:12, May 25, 2020 (UTC)		::::::I think they are at least judging by the similar hilts and the amount of other recycled weapon models in the game but maybe better photo comparison is needed. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 20:12, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
			I believe the model of the Blade of Yumminess is recycled from the Ippei Blade, it's just the lighting in this picture that makes it look different. Also bear in mind that most of the recycled weapons have some of their elements with different coloration apparently to make them at least slightly different and fresh. I doubt that they would bother to maker a new model for a weapon which essentially has the same design. As for the [[Blade of the Ephemeral]], I believe that is also a katana it's just somewhat "demonified" or "kami-fied" or whatever they were going after with the skull and design in general. If it were supposed to be an European sword, EU swords with this style of blade would be even more anachronistic as they started appearing maybe 17-18th century and it should have had a hilt guard. Also the [https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Jl9gov textures of the handle] look to me like some kind of a Japanese pattern. [[User:Nanomat\|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat\|talk]]) 21:21, May 25, 2020 (UTC)

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	::::I did mean the Ephemeral Blade but at the time was just going off my memory but on review you are right. The Ippei Blade is a helix item so yes Animus mod. The Yumminess Blade as noted is a bit more difficult but even its description obliquely hints at Japanese (well non-Greek) origin. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 19:46, May 25, 2020 (UTC)		::::I did mean the Ephemeral Blade but at the time was just going off my memory but on review you are right. The Ippei Blade is a helix item so yes Animus mod. The Yumminess Blade as noted is a bit more difficult but even its description obliquely hints at Japanese (well non-Greek) origin. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 19:46, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
	:::::I think the Blade of Yumminess certainly has an East Asian origin, but I am very doubtful that it's a katana after looking at the image provided by Nanomat for the reasons I've already explained. It could very well be an older Chinese sword, but even if it were Japanese, I'm not sure if it would necessarily be a katana. The reason is because in English, ''katana'' tends to refer to a specific type of Japanese sword and not just any Japanese sword, but in Japanese and Chinese ''katana'' (the indigenous Japanese reading), ''tō'' (the Sino-Japanese reading), or ''dou'' (the Cantonese reading) is a word for any single-edged sword, even European and Turkish sabers. Maybe if Nanomat can track down Ubisoft's source or model for this weapon, we can better certify if it's Japanese instead of Chinese, and if it's actually a katana. EDIT: For clarification, it doesn't look to me like the model of the Blade of Yumminess is recycled from the Ippei Blade, but I could be wrong. It could just be the different angles of the two swords. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:00, May 25, 2020 (UTC)		:::::I think the Blade of Yumminess certainly has an East Asian origin, but I am very doubtful that it's a katana after looking at the image provided by Nanomat for the reasons I've already explained. It could very well be an older Chinese sword, but even if it were Japanese, I'm not sure if it would necessarily be a katana. The reason is because in English, ''katana'' tends to refer to a specific type of Japanese sword and not just any Japanese sword, but in Japanese and Chinese ''katana'' (the indigenous Japanese reading), ''tō'' (the Sino-Japanese reading), or ''dou'' (the Cantonese reading) is a word for any single-edged sword, even European and Turkish sabers. Maybe if Nanomat can track down Ubisoft's source or model for this weapon, we can better certify if it's Japanese instead of Chinese, and if it's actually a katana. EDIT: For clarification, it doesn't look to me like the model of the Blade of Yumminess is recycled from the Ippei Blade, but I could be wrong. It could just be the different angles of the two swords. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:00, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
			::::::I think they are at least judging by the similar hilts and the amount of other recycled weapon models in the game but maybe better photo comparison is needed. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 20:12, May 25, 2020 (UTC)

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	:::If the Ippei Blade is just an Animus mod which Bayek didn't canonically wield, I'd be comfortable adding it to this page as a katana. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:09, May 25, 2020 (UTC)		:::If the Ippei Blade is just an Animus mod which Bayek didn't canonically wield, I'd be comfortable adding it to this page as a katana. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:09, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
	::::I did mean the Ephemeral Blade but at the time was just going off my memory but on review you are right. The Ippei Blade is a helix item so yes Animus mod. The Yumminess Blade as noted is a bit more difficult but even its description obliquely hints at Japanese (well non-Greek) origin. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 19:46, May 25, 2020 (UTC)		::::I did mean the Ephemeral Blade but at the time was just going off my memory but on review you are right. The Ippei Blade is a helix item so yes Animus mod. The Yumminess Blade as noted is a bit more difficult but even its description obliquely hints at Japanese (well non-Greek) origin. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 19:46, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
	:::::I think the Blade of Yumminess certainly has an East Asian origin, but I am very doubtful that it's a katana after looking at the image provided by Nanomat for the reasons I've already explained. It could very well be an older Chinese sword, but even if it were Japanese, I'm not sure if it would necessarily be a katana. The reason is because in English, ''katana'' tends to refer to a specific type of Japanese sword and not just any Japanese sword, but in Japanese and Chinese ''katana'' (the indigenous Japanese reading), ''tō'' (the Sino-Japanese reading), or ''dou'' (the Cantonese reading) is a word for any single-edged sword, even European and Turkish sabers. Maybe if Nanomat can track down Ubisoft's source or model for this weapon, we can better certify if it's Japanese instead of Chinese, and if it's actually a katana. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:00, May 25, 2020 (UTC)		:::::I think the Blade of Yumminess certainly has an East Asian origin, but I am very doubtful that it's a katana after looking at the image provided by Nanomat for the reasons I've already explained. It could very well be an older Chinese sword, but even if it were Japanese, I'm not sure if it would necessarily be a katana. The reason is because in English, ''katana'' tends to refer to a specific type of Japanese sword and not just any Japanese sword, but in Japanese and Chinese ''katana'' (the indigenous Japanese reading), ''tō'' (the Sino-Japanese reading), or ''dou'' (the Cantonese reading) is a word for any single-edged sword, even European and Turkish sabers. Maybe if Nanomat can track down Ubisoft's source or model for this weapon, we can better certify if it's Japanese instead of Chinese, and if it's actually a katana. EDIT: For clarification, it doesn't look to me like the model of the Blade of Yumminess is recycled from the Ippei Blade, but I could be wrong. It could just be the different angles of the two swords. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:00, May 25, 2020 (UTC)