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imported>USMC-DN38416: /* Greek “misthios” syntax is wrong for Kassandra */

2021-09-07T21:59:44Z

Greek “misthios” syntax is wrong for Kassandra

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	Same with this, it looks like they designed the game with the male character in mind and forgot to change it for players who chose the female (Kassandra) protagonist.		Same with this, it looks like they designed the game with the male character in mind and forgot to change it for players who chose the female (Kassandra) protagonist.

	Whichever Greek coach told them what “misthios” meant undoubtedly asked them “feminine or masculine” version? And they specifically ~~went with~~ the masculine. Millions of people play these games, not just English speakers.		Whichever Greek coach told them what “misthios” meant undoubtedly asked them “feminine or masculine” version? And they specifically chose the masculine. Millions of people play these games, not just English speakers.
	[[User:USMC-DN38416\|USMC-DN38416]] ([[User talk:USMC-DN38416\|talk]]) 21:54, 7 September 2021 (UTC)		[[User:USMC-DN38416\|USMC-DN38416]] ([[User talk:USMC-DN38416\|talk]]) 21:54, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

imported>USMC-DN38416: /* Greek “misthios” syntax is wrong for Kassandra */

2021-09-07T21:56:17Z

Greek “misthios” syntax is wrong for Kassandra

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	Same with this, it looks like they designed the game with the male character in mind and forgot to change it for players who chose the female (Kassandra) protagonist.		Same with this, it looks like they designed the game with the male character in mind and forgot to change it for players who chose the female (Kassandra) protagonist.

	Whichever Greek coach told them what “misthios” meant undoubtedly asked them “feminine or masculine” version? And they specifically went with the masculine.		Whichever Greek coach told them what “misthios” meant undoubtedly asked them “feminine or masculine” version? And they specifically went with the masculine. Millions of people play these games, not just English speakers.
	[[User:USMC-DN38416\|USMC-DN38416]] ([[User talk:USMC-DN38416\|talk]]) 21:54, 7 September 2021 (UTC)		[[User:USMC-DN38416\|USMC-DN38416]] ([[User talk:USMC-DN38416\|talk]]) 21:54, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

imported>USMC-DN38416: /* Greek “misthios” syntax is wrong for Kassandra */

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Greek “misthios” syntax is wrong for Kassandra

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	:Ubisoft is rather bad with grammar. They use Magi as a singular instead of Magus. They use the genitive form of a name even in other cases. Not quite grammar but they also mixed up the letters epsilon and sigma at one point. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 18:48, 6 September 2021 (UTC)		:Ubisoft is rather bad with grammar. They use Magi as a singular instead of Magus. They use the genitive form of a name even in other cases. Not quite grammar but they also mixed up the letters epsilon and sigma at one point. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 18:48, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

			Yes. Although I think getting at least the gender right is a more fundamental thing than whether they use the correct nominative or vocative case of a declension.

			It’s like they develop a game with a certain intention and then forget to adjust it for the choices they give the player.

			Like how Eivor in Valhalla is constantly referred to as “she” by bystanders, even if the player has chosen the male Eivor. They designed the game with a female Eivor in mind and forgot to change it.

			Same with this, it looks like they designed the game with the male character in mind and forgot to change it for players who chose the female (Kassandra) protagonist.

			Whichever Greek coach told them what “misthios” meant undoubtedly asked them “feminine or masculine” version? And they specifically went with the masculine.
			[[User:USMC-DN38416\|USMC-DN38416]] ([[User talk:USMC-DN38416\|talk]]) 21:54, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Greek “misthios” syntax is wrong for Kassandra */

2021-09-06T18:48:11Z

Greek “misthios” syntax is wrong for Kassandra

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	It’s confusing for people who speak Greek to hear an obvious female referred to as “him/his”.		It’s confusing for people who speak Greek to hear an obvious female referred to as “him/his”.
	[[User:USMC-DN38416\|USMC-DN38416]] ([[User talk:USMC-DN38416\|talk]]) 02:28, 6 September 2021 (UTC)		[[User:USMC-DN38416\|USMC-DN38416]] ([[User talk:USMC-DN38416\|talk]]) 02:28, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
			:Ubisoft is rather bad with grammar. They use Magi as a singular instead of Magus. They use the genitive form of a name even in other cases. Not quite grammar but they also mixed up the letters epsilon and sigma at one point. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 18:48, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

imported>USMC-DN38416: /* Greek “misthios” syntax is wrong for Kassandra */ new section

2021-09-06T02:28:53Z

Greek “misthios” syntax is wrong for Kassandra: new section

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	:Yes, this is a really great question which actually featured in our forum discussion. Our community was actually of the consensus that Kassandra doesn't qualify as a proto-Assassin. However, she is expressly called one in the latest edition of ''[[Assassin's Creed: The Essential Guide]]''. Even though this book is not the most authoritative source, it is still an official source. Moreover, while we may dispute the accuracy of that designation and the definition of a proto-Assassin, if the source calls an individual one without qualification, we still have to take it at face value, per sourcing policy. :-/ It will probably also help if I give you a link to our extensive forum discussion, but I am in too much of a rush right now to go search for it right now. Maybe another one of our editors can share it later or I will come back to it in the evening. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:20, 14 March 2021 (UTC)		:Yes, this is a really great question which actually featured in our forum discussion. Our community was actually of the consensus that Kassandra doesn't qualify as a proto-Assassin. However, she is expressly called one in the latest edition of ''[[Assassin's Creed: The Essential Guide]]''. Even though this book is not the most authoritative source, it is still an official source. Moreover, while we may dispute the accuracy of that designation and the definition of a proto-Assassin, if the source calls an individual one without qualification, we still have to take it at face value, per sourcing policy. :-/ It will probably also help if I give you a link to our extensive forum discussion, but I am in too much of a rush right now to go search for it right now. Maybe another one of our editors can share it later or I will come back to it in the evening. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:20, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
	::[https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/f/p/3795521403617287038 Here]. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 20:27, 14 March 2021 (UTC)		::[https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/f/p/3795521403617287038 Here]. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 20:27, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

			== Greek “misthios” syntax is wrong for Kassandra ==

			In Ancient (and modern) Greek “misthios” refers to a male. The female declension is “misthia”.

			It’s confusing for people who speak Greek to hear an obvious female referred to as “him/his”.
			[[User:USMC-DN38416\|USMC-DN38416]] ([[User talk:USMC-DN38416\|talk]]) 02:28, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

imported>Soranin: /* Question: Is Kassandra really a proto-Assassin */

2021-03-14T20:27:15Z

Question: Is Kassandra really a proto-Assassin

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	I am kind of confused how Kassandra is a proto-Assassin, she doesn't do a lot of what an Assassin is. Can someone explain this to me? [[User:AngelicDragonborn\|AngelicDragonborn]] ([[User talk:AngelicDragonborn#top\|talk]]) 12:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)		I am kind of confused how Kassandra is a proto-Assassin, she doesn't do a lot of what an Assassin is. Can someone explain this to me? [[User:AngelicDragonborn\|AngelicDragonborn]] ([[User talk:AngelicDragonborn#top\|talk]]) 12:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
	:Yes, this is a really great question which actually featured in our forum discussion. Our community was actually of the consensus that Kassandra doesn't qualify as a proto-Assassin. However, she is expressly called one in the latest edition of ''[[Assassin's Creed: The Essential Guide]]''. Even though this book is not the most authoritative source, it is still an official source. Moreover, while we may dispute the accuracy of that designation and the definition of a proto-Assassin, if the source calls an individual one without qualification, we still have to take it at face value, per sourcing policy. :-/ It will probably also help if I give you a link to our extensive forum discussion, but I am in too much of a rush right now to go search for it right now. Maybe another one of our editors can share it later or I will come back to it in the evening. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:20, 14 March 2021 (UTC)		:Yes, this is a really great question which actually featured in our forum discussion. Our community was actually of the consensus that Kassandra doesn't qualify as a proto-Assassin. However, she is expressly called one in the latest edition of ''[[Assassin's Creed: The Essential Guide]]''. Even though this book is not the most authoritative source, it is still an official source. Moreover, while we may dispute the accuracy of that designation and the definition of a proto-Assassin, if the source calls an individual one without qualification, we still have to take it at face value, per sourcing policy. :-/ It will probably also help if I give you a link to our extensive forum discussion, but I am in too much of a rush right now to go search for it right now. Maybe another one of our editors can share it later or I will come back to it in the evening. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:20, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
			::[https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/f/p/3795521403617287038 Here]. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 20:27, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Question: Is Kassandra really a proto-Assassin */

2021-03-14T20:20:53Z

Question: Is Kassandra really a proto-Assassin

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	I am kind of confused how Kassandra is a proto-Assassin, she doesn't do a lot of what an Assassin is. Can someone explain this to me? [[User:AngelicDragonborn\|AngelicDragonborn]] ([[User talk:AngelicDragonborn#top\|talk]]) 12:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)		I am kind of confused how Kassandra is a proto-Assassin, she doesn't do a lot of what an Assassin is. Can someone explain this to me? [[User:AngelicDragonborn\|AngelicDragonborn]] ([[User talk:AngelicDragonborn#top\|talk]]) 12:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
			:Yes, this is a really great question which actually featured in our forum discussion. Our community was actually of the consensus that Kassandra doesn't qualify as a proto-Assassin. However, she is expressly called one in the latest edition of ''[[Assassin's Creed: The Essential Guide]]''. Even though this book is not the most authoritative source, it is still an official source. Moreover, while we may dispute the accuracy of that designation and the definition of a proto-Assassin, if the source calls an individual one without qualification, we still have to take it at face value, per sourcing policy. :-/ It will probably also help if I give you a link to our extensive forum discussion, but I am in too much of a rush right now to go search for it right now. Maybe another one of our editors can share it later or I will come back to it in the evening. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:20, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

imported>AngelicDragonborn at 12:16, 14 March 2021

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	:More importantly though, if it's absolutely implicit that Kassandra is the canon choice, why even bother giving us Alexios to play as to begin with? Is it to be explained away that Kassandra was able to do all those male-restricted things from the childhood Spartan training to the male-only olympics because she had demi-isu strength? Why is the only difference we see with the story are the male vs. female pronouns along with the respective names used? If Alexios essentially doesn't matter as a playable character, why even have him as playable at all? Was Ubisoft simply worried that an exclusively female protagonist wouldn't sell well despite the fact that they've done it before along with other franchises? [[User:Christengo\|Christengo]] ([[User talk:Christengo\|talk]]) 08:42, November 18, 2019 (UTC)		:More importantly though, if it's absolutely implicit that Kassandra is the canon choice, why even bother giving us Alexios to play as to begin with? Is it to be explained away that Kassandra was able to do all those male-restricted things from the childhood Spartan training to the male-only olympics because she had demi-isu strength? Why is the only difference we see with the story are the male vs. female pronouns along with the respective names used? If Alexios essentially doesn't matter as a playable character, why even have him as playable at all? Was Ubisoft simply worried that an exclusively female protagonist wouldn't sell well despite the fact that they've done it before along with other franchises? [[User:Christengo\|Christengo]] ([[User talk:Christengo\|talk]]) 08:42, November 18, 2019 (UTC)
	::You hit the nail on the head. It is precisely because Ubi execs believed that an exclusively female protagonist wouldn't sell that Alexios was included as an option. The story writers and developers had absolutely no intention nor desire to give players that option until they were ordered to. -[[User:Hashimashadoo\|hash]]<sup>[[User talk:Hashimashadoo\|talk]]</sup> 18:58, October 5, 2020 (UTC)		::You hit the nail on the head. It is precisely because Ubi execs believed that an exclusively female protagonist wouldn't sell that Alexios was included as an option. The story writers and developers had absolutely no intention nor desire to give players that option until they were ordered to. -[[User:Hashimashadoo\|hash]]<sup>[[User talk:Hashimashadoo\|talk]]</sup> 18:58, October 5, 2020 (UTC)

			==Question: Is Kassandra really a proto-Assassin==

			I am kind of confused how Kassandra is a proto-Assassin, she doesn't do a lot of what an Assassin is. Can someone explain this to me? [[User:AngelicDragonborn\|AngelicDragonborn]] ([[User talk:AngelicDragonborn#top\|talk]]) 12:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

imported>Hashimashadoo: /* For 100% confirmation... */

2020-10-05T18:58:52Z

For 100% confirmation...

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	:More importantly though, if it's absolutely implicit that Kassandra is the canon choice, why even bother giving us Alexios to play as to begin with? Is it to be explained away that Kassandra was able to do all those male-restricted things from the childhood Spartan training to the male-only olympics because she had demi-isu strength? Why is the only difference we see with the story are the male vs. female pronouns along with the respective names used? If Alexios essentially doesn't matter as a playable character, why even have him as playable at all? Was Ubisoft simply worried that an exclusively female protagonist wouldn't sell well despite the fact that they've done it before along with other franchises? [[User:Christengo\|Christengo]] ([[User talk:Christengo\|talk]]) 08:42, November 18, 2019 (UTC)		:More importantly though, if it's absolutely implicit that Kassandra is the canon choice, why even bother giving us Alexios to play as to begin with? Is it to be explained away that Kassandra was able to do all those male-restricted things from the childhood Spartan training to the male-only olympics because she had demi-isu strength? Why is the only difference we see with the story are the male vs. female pronouns along with the respective names used? If Alexios essentially doesn't matter as a playable character, why even have him as playable at all? Was Ubisoft simply worried that an exclusively female protagonist wouldn't sell well despite the fact that they've done it before along with other franchises? [[User:Christengo\|Christengo]] ([[User talk:Christengo\|talk]]) 08:42, November 18, 2019 (UTC)
			::You hit the nail on the head. It is precisely because Ubi execs believed that an exclusively female protagonist wouldn't sell that Alexios was included as an option. The story writers and developers had absolutely no intention nor desire to give players that option until they were ordered to. -[[User:Hashimashadoo\|hash]]<sup>[[User talk:Hashimashadoo\|talk]]</sup> 18:58, October 5, 2020 (UTC)

imported>Revan's Exile: /* Kassandra and Alexios aren't full siblings? */

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Kassandra and Alexios aren't full siblings?

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	See [https://i.imgur.com/b6sgzoZ.png THIS SCREENSHOT], for one example. <font color="#mm6897"> '''''[[User:Ulicus\|Uli]]'''''</font> <small>[[User talk:Ulicus\|Talk]]</small> 02:20, April 14, 2019 (UTC)		See [https://i.imgur.com/b6sgzoZ.png THIS SCREENSHOT], for one example. <font color="#mm6897"> '''''[[User:Ulicus\|Uli]]'''''</font> <small>[[User talk:Ulicus\|Talk]]</small> 02:20, April 14, 2019 (UTC)






	: I also think so. When you confront him in Megaris he say: "I have failed in my duty. I failed to protect you... to protect both of you. I loved you - and your sister as if you were truly my own. But you were never mine." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MgZ8v_5I9k&t=0s . I think it meens that both were not his children. English is not my native language so please correct me, if I'm wrong. Nachtblueten 15:30, 20 April 2020 (UTC)		: I also think so. When you confront him in Megaris he say: "I have failed in my duty. I failed to protect you... to protect both of you. I loved you - and your sister as if you were truly my own. But you were never mine." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MgZ8v_5I9k&t=0s . I think it meens that both were not his children. English is not my native language so please correct me, if I'm wrong. Nachtblueten 15:30, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

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	I am kind of confused how Kassandra is a proto-Assassin, she doesn't do a lot of what an Assassin is. Can someone explain this to me? [[User:AngelicDragonborn\|AngelicDragonborn]] ([[User talk:AngelicDragonborn#top\|talk]]) 12:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)		I am kind of confused how Kassandra is a proto-Assassin, she doesn't do a lot of what an Assassin is. Can someone explain this to me? [[User:AngelicDragonborn\|AngelicDragonborn]] ([[User talk:AngelicDragonborn#top\|talk]]) 12:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
	:Yes, this is a really great question which actually featured in our forum discussion. Our community was actually of the consensus that Kassandra doesn't qualify as a proto-Assassin. However, she is expressly called one in the latest edition of ''[[Assassin's Creed: The Essential Guide]]''. Even though this book is not the most authoritative source, it is still an official source. Moreover, while we may dispute the accuracy of that designation and the definition of a proto-Assassin, if the source calls an individual one without qualification, we still have to take it at face value, per sourcing policy. :-/ It will probably also help if I give you a link to our extensive forum discussion, but I am in too much of a rush right now to go search for it right now. Maybe another one of our editors can share it later or I will come back to it in the evening. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:20, 14 March 2021 (UTC)		:Yes, this is a really great question which actually featured in our forum discussion. Our community was actually of the consensus that Kassandra doesn't qualify as a proto-Assassin. However, she is expressly called one in the latest edition of ''[[Assassin's Creed: The Essential Guide]]''. Even though this book is not the most authoritative source, it is still an official source. Moreover, while we may dispute the accuracy of that designation and the definition of a proto-Assassin, if the source calls an individual one without qualification, we still have to take it at face value, per sourcing policy. :-/ It will probably also help if I give you a link to our extensive forum discussion, but I am in too much of a rush right now to go search for it right now. Maybe another one of our editors can share it later or I will come back to it in the evening. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:20, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
			::[https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/f/p/3795521403617287038 Here]. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 20:27, 14 March 2021 (UTC)