Talk:Kaori Kagami - Revision history

imported>Master Sima Yi: /* Name order? */

2020-04-29T07:55:56Z

Name order?

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	::::Oh wow I totally forgot about a bunch of those. But anyways if we go by source material this one should be switched around if only because it released in Japan first? Also sorry for the unsigned. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 07:47, April 29, 2020 (UTC)		::::Oh wow I totally forgot about a bunch of those. But anyways if we go by source material this one should be switched around if only because it released in Japan first? Also sorry for the unsigned. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 07:47, April 29, 2020 (UTC)

			:::::Until the English release possibly handles the westernized name order, I'd say yes, it should. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 07:55, April 29, 2020 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Name order? */

2020-04-29T07:47:27Z

Name order?

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	:::Bear in mind we have a lot of westernized names for Japanese characters (see [[:Category:Japanese]]). While I don't oppose maintaining one order for consistency and, as Sol Pacificus said, avoid confusion to the reader, I do also feel it is best to maintain the order given in the source material. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 07:39, April 29, 2020 (UTC)		:::Bear in mind we have a lot of westernized names for Japanese characters (see [[:Category:Japanese]]). While I don't oppose maintaining one order for consistency and, as Sol Pacificus said, avoid confusion to the reader, I do also feel it is best to maintain the order given in the source material. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 07:39, April 29, 2020 (UTC)

			::::Oh wow I totally forgot about a bunch of those. But anyways if we go by source material this one should be switched around if only because it released in Japan first? Also sorry for the unsigned. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 07:47, April 29, 2020 (UTC)

imported>Master Sima Yi: /* Name order? */

2020-04-29T07:39:40Z

Name order?

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	This looks to be in the western convention but should we change it to surname first? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:58, April 28, 2020 (UTC)		This looks to be in the western convention but should we change it to surname first? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:58, April 28, 2020 (UTC)
	:Great question. The Japanese have a habit of re-ordering their name to Western convention when dealing with Westerners, something that is unheard of in Chinese, Korean, and Vietnamese. For example, {{wiki\|Shinzo Abe\|Abe Shinzo}} is frequently given as Shinzo Abe in Western media. I think this is because Japanese names tend to be longer, enough that the reordering wouldn't feel as awkward. There's no official rule that the name has to be reordered to conform with Western custom as far as I know... Personally, I never liked this practice. It creates an unnecessary inconsistency and sometimes when learning about a new Japanese individual or historical figure, I even get confused which order the author of the source decided to go with. Nevertheless, the order we give should first and foremost reflect the order used in the source material. If this itself isn't consistent, I recommend to go with surname first since our articles on other Japanese characters like [[Takeda Shingen]], [[Hattori Hanzō]], and [[Tokugawa Ieyasu]] uses this native order. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 23:07, April 28, 2020 (UTC)		:Great question. The Japanese have a habit of re-ordering their name to Western convention when dealing with Westerners, something that is unheard of in Chinese, Korean, and Vietnamese. For example, {{wiki\|Shinzo Abe\|Abe Shinzo}} is frequently given as Shinzo Abe in Western media. I think this is because Japanese names tend to be longer, enough that the reordering wouldn't feel as awkward. There's no official rule that the name has to be reordered to conform with Western custom as far as I know... Personally, I never liked this practice. It creates an unnecessary inconsistency and sometimes when learning about a new Japanese individual or historical figure, I even get confused which order the author of the source decided to go with. Nevertheless, the order we give should first and foremost reflect the order used in the source material. If this itself isn't consistent, I recommend to go with surname first since our articles on other Japanese characters like [[Takeda Shingen]], [[Hattori Hanzō]], and [[Tokugawa Ieyasu]] uses this native order. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 23:07, April 28, 2020 (UTC)
	::So [[Mitsuko Nakamura]] should be the only westernized one? Tangent is she actually a Japanese Templar or does she just happen to be both Japanese and a Templar? I’m under the impression there’s a distinction.		::So [[Mitsuko Nakamura]] should be the only westernized one? Tangent is she actually a Japanese Templar or does she just happen to be both Japanese and a Templar? I’m under the impression there’s a distinction. {{unsigned\|Lacrossedeamon}}

			:::Bear in mind we have a lot of westernized names for Japanese characters (see [[:Category:Japanese]]). While I don't oppose maintaining one order for consistency and, as Sol Pacificus said, avoid confusion to the reader, I do also feel it is best to maintain the order given in the source material. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 07:39, April 29, 2020 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Name order? */

2020-04-28T23:34:51Z

Name order?

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	This looks to be in the western convention but should we change it to surname first? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:58, April 28, 2020 (UTC)		This looks to be in the western convention but should we change it to surname first? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:58, April 28, 2020 (UTC)
	:Great question. The Japanese have a habit of re-ordering their name to Western convention when dealing with Westerners, something that is unheard of in Chinese, Korean, and Vietnamese. For example, {{wiki\|Shinzo Abe\|Abe Shinzo}} is frequently given as Shinzo Abe in Western media. I think this is because Japanese names tend to be longer, enough that the reordering wouldn't feel as awkward. There's no official rule that the name has to be reordered to conform with Western custom as far as I know... Personally, I never liked this practice. It creates an unnecessary inconsistency and sometimes when learning about a new Japanese individual or historical figure, I even get confused which order the author of the source decided to go with. Nevertheless, the order we give should first and foremost reflect the order used in the source material. If this itself isn't consistent, I recommend to go with surname first since our articles on other Japanese characters like [[Takeda Shingen]], [[Hattori Hanzō]], and [[Tokugawa Ieyasu]] uses this native order. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 23:07, April 28, 2020 (UTC)		:Great question. The Japanese have a habit of re-ordering their name to Western convention when dealing with Westerners, something that is unheard of in Chinese, Korean, and Vietnamese. For example, {{wiki\|Shinzo Abe\|Abe Shinzo}} is frequently given as Shinzo Abe in Western media. I think this is because Japanese names tend to be longer, enough that the reordering wouldn't feel as awkward. There's no official rule that the name has to be reordered to conform with Western custom as far as I know... Personally, I never liked this practice. It creates an unnecessary inconsistency and sometimes when learning about a new Japanese individual or historical figure, I even get confused which order the author of the source decided to go with. Nevertheless, the order we give should first and foremost reflect the order used in the source material. If this itself isn't consistent, I recommend to go with surname first since our articles on other Japanese characters like [[Takeda Shingen]], [[Hattori Hanzō]], and [[Tokugawa Ieyasu]] uses this native order. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 23:07, April 28, 2020 (UTC)
			::So [[Mitsuko Nakamura]] should be the only westernized one? Tangent is she actually a Japanese Templar or does she just happen to be both Japanese and a Templar? I’m under the impression there’s a distinction.

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Name order? */

2020-04-28T23:07:58Z

Name order?

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	This looks to be in the western convention but should we change it to surname first? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:58, April 28, 2020 (UTC)		This looks to be in the western convention but should we change it to surname first? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:58, April 28, 2020 (UTC)
			:Great question. The Japanese have a habit of re-ordering their name to Western convention when dealing with Westerners, something that is unheard of in Chinese, Korean, and Vietnamese. For example, {{wiki\|Shinzo Abe\|Abe Shinzo}} is frequently given as Shinzo Abe in Western media. I think this is because Japanese names tend to be longer, enough that the reordering wouldn't feel as awkward. There's no official rule that the name has to be reordered to conform with Western custom as far as I know... Personally, I never liked this practice. It creates an unnecessary inconsistency and sometimes when learning about a new Japanese individual or historical figure, I even get confused which order the author of the source decided to go with. Nevertheless, the order we give should first and foremost reflect the order used in the source material. If this itself isn't consistent, I recommend to go with surname first since our articles on other Japanese characters like [[Takeda Shingen]], [[Hattori Hanzō]], and [[Tokugawa Ieyasu]] uses this native order. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 23:07, April 28, 2020 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Name order? */ new section

2020-04-28T22:58:36Z

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			== Name order? ==

			This looks to be in the western convention but should we change it to surname first? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:58, April 28, 2020 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: Created page with "{{Talkheader}}"

2020-04-28T22:57:32Z

Created page with "{{Talkheader}}"

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