Talk:Kō Risa - Revision history

imported>Sol Pacificus: Sol Pacificus moved page Talk:Lisa Huang to Talk:Kō Risa over redirect: Moving back to her actual name as opposed to the localization, per the updated naming policy

2021-12-03T18:16:35Z

Sol Pacificus moved page Talk:Lisa Huang to Talk:Kō Risa over redirect: Moving back to her actual name as opposed to the localization, per the updated naming policy

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imported>Sol Pacificus: Sol Pacificus moved page Talk:Kō Risa to Talk:Lisa Huang: When you move a page, you have to use the move function. If it doesn't work, you have to call an admin. Manually exchanging the content of the pages causes major problems.

2021-02-20T18:59:33Z

Sol Pacificus moved page Talk:Kō Risa to Talk:Lisa Huang: When you move a page, you have to use the move function. If it doesn't work, you have to call an admin. Manually exchanging the content of the pages causes major problems.

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imported>Sol Pacificus at 17:03, 19 February 2021

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	::I say yes, we can. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 15:38, 19 February 2021 (UTC)		::I say yes, we can. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 15:38, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::Not gonna lie, I am going to miss using the name Ko Risa because it is more unique. More importantly, her being born, raised, and living in Japan, I think it is extremely odd for her to use a name like Lisa Huang as though she were Chinese American, Chinese Canadian, or Chinese Australian. Ubisoft obviously wanted to Anglicize the name to be more appealing to Western audiences though I don't see why keeping a Japanese name as the character actually would have used it would have been a problem. Still sources are sources, but first can you make sure to provide a screenshot or photo of the English version's rendering of her name? Either on Discord or here. Just for official verification.
			:::Beyond that, I think that if there is a disconnect between what name the comic uses from an OOU-perspective and what name the character would actually be using from an IU-perspective, this would be an issue and rather unprecedented. Of course we'd have to move the page per sourcing, but if she canonically only ever speaks Japanese, she canonically never uses the name Lisa, much less the Mandarin rendering of her name Huang. On the other hand, if there are scenes where she speaks Mandarin at home, it may make a bit more sense. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 17:03, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

	== Move to Ko Risa ==		== Move to Ko Risa ==

imported>Soranin: /* Surname? */

2021-02-19T15:38:59Z

Surname?

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	:So English version (Chapter 1-4) was released this week and on same image as Lacros posted in Chapter 1 it states her name as "Lisa Huang". So we can start moving it and replacing her name on wikia?--[[User:Kulurak\|Kulurak]] ([[User talk:Kulurak\|talk]]) 13:04, 19 February 2021 (UTC)		:So English version (Chapter 1-4) was released this week and on same image as Lacros posted in Chapter 1 it states her name as "Lisa Huang". So we can start moving it and replacing her name on wikia?--[[User:Kulurak\|Kulurak]] ([[User talk:Kulurak\|talk]]) 13:04, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

			::I say yes, we can. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 15:38, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

	== Move to Ko Risa ==		== Move to Ko Risa ==

imported>Kulurak: English release -> name "Lisa Huang".

2021-02-19T13:04:21Z

English release -> name "Lisa Huang".

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	::The Japanese have a variety of different readings for kanji/hanzi, with the two main classifications being ''on'yomi'' and ''kun'yomi'', i.e. Chinese-based readings and native Japanese based readings respectively. Chinese people who have been naturalized in Japan might use the ''on'yomi'' (essentially Sino-Japanese) readings of their names rather than the pure Chinese ones. Kō Risa (ゴウ•リサ) is Sino-Japanese (''on'yomi''), and that reading of her name is also given in the very panel above in tiny writing next to 黄里沙, so that's why it can be sourced to the comic.		::The Japanese have a variety of different readings for kanji/hanzi, with the two main classifications being ''on'yomi'' and ''kun'yomi'', i.e. Chinese-based readings and native Japanese based readings respectively. Chinese people who have been naturalized in Japan might use the ''on'yomi'' (essentially Sino-Japanese) readings of their names rather than the pure Chinese ones. Kō Risa (ゴウ•リサ) is Sino-Japanese (''on'yomi''), and that reading of her name is also given in the very panel above in tiny writing next to 黄里沙, so that's why it can be sourced to the comic.
	::Apart from this, remember that there is no universal Chinese reading of kanji/hanzi because there are many different Chinese languages even though Mandarin reading is the most likely. I agree that it is so strange and even silly that her surname when working in English is different. Hopefully, it is just a mistake that they will fix. :-/ [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 06:31, April 29, 2020 (UTC)		::Apart from this, remember that there is no universal Chinese reading of kanji/hanzi because there are many different Chinese languages even though Mandarin reading is the most likely. I agree that it is so strange and even silly that her surname when working in English is different. Hopefully, it is just a mistake that they will fix. :-/ [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 06:31, April 29, 2020 (UTC)

			:So English version (Chapter 1-4) was released this week and on same image as Lacros posted in Chapter 1 it states her name as "Lisa Huang". So we can start moving it and replacing her name on wikia?--[[User:Kulurak\|Kulurak]] ([[User talk:Kulurak\|talk]]) 13:04, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

	== Move to Ko Risa ==		== Move to Ko Risa ==

imported>Sol Pacificus: Sol Pacificus moved page Talk:Lisa Yang to Talk:Kō Risa: Her Westernized name is not sourceable at this time & from the variations we have heard, it's not consistent

2020-07-07T00:55:42Z

Sol Pacificus moved page Talk:Lisa Yang to Talk:Kō Risa: Her Westernized name is not sourceable at this time & from the variations we have heard, it's not consistent

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imported>VilkaTheWolf: /* Move to Ko Risa */

2020-06-14T23:00:33Z

Move to Ko Risa

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	I am actually having second thoughts about keeping the title of this article at Lisa Yang. Since we have only gotten this name so far from Access the Animus, who in turn got it from Ubisoft, and we still don't seem to be able to give a proper citation for the name to a Ubisoft source, I think sourcing policy dictates that we have to prioritize the name that appears in the Japanese language: Kō Risa. If there are no objections, I will be moving this page 1 week from now. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:17, June 14, 2020 (UTC)		I am actually having second thoughts about keeping the title of this article at Lisa Yang. Since we have only gotten this name so far from Access the Animus, who in turn got it from Ubisoft, and we still don't seem to be able to give a proper citation for the name to a Ubisoft source, I think sourcing policy dictates that we have to prioritize the name that appears in the Japanese language: Kō Risa. If there are no objections, I will be moving this page 1 week from now. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:17, June 14, 2020 (UTC)
			:What is her name anglicized as in the French vol 1? That was released on June 11. If it has something other than "Lisa Yang" or "Kō Risa" then another discussion might be needed, if its "Kō Risa" then change it, if its "Lisa Yang" then keep how it is.[[User:VilkaTheWolf\|<span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 1px; color:white;"><span style="font-family: Impact"><span style="color: green">V </span><span style="color: gold">i </span><span style="color: green">l </span><span style="color: gold">k </span><span style="color: green">a </span><span style="color: gold">T </span><span style="color: green">h </span><span style="color: gold">e </span><span style="color: green">W </span><span style="color: gold">o </span><span style="color: green">l </span><span style="color: gold">f </span></span></span>]] ([[User talk:Boofhead185\|talk]]) 23:00, June 14, 2020 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Move to Ko Risa */

2020-06-14T22:17:55Z

Move to Ko Risa

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	== Move to Ko Risa ==		== Move to Ko Risa ==

	I am actually having second thoughts about keeping the title of this article at Lisa Yang. Since we have only gotten this name so far from Access the Animus, who in turn got it from Ubisoft, and we still don't seem to be able to give a proper citation for the name to a Ubisoft source, I think sourcing policy dictates that we have to prioritize the name that appears in the Japanese language: Kō Risa. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:17, June 14, 2020 (UTC)		I am actually having second thoughts about keeping the title of this article at Lisa Yang. Since we have only gotten this name so far from Access the Animus, who in turn got it from Ubisoft, and we still don't seem to be able to give a proper citation for the name to a Ubisoft source, I think sourcing policy dictates that we have to prioritize the name that appears in the Japanese language: Kō Risa. If there are no objections, I will be moving this page 1 week from now. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:17, June 14, 2020 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Move to Ko Risa */ new section

2020-06-14T22:17:29Z

Move to Ko Risa: new section

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	::The Japanese have a variety of different readings for kanji/hanzi, with the two main classifications being ''on'yomi'' and ''kun'yomi'', i.e. Chinese-based readings and native Japanese based readings respectively. Chinese people who have been naturalized in Japan might use the ''on'yomi'' (essentially Sino-Japanese) readings of their names rather than the pure Chinese ones. Kō Risa (ゴウ•リサ) is Sino-Japanese (''on'yomi''), and that reading of her name is also given in the very panel above in tiny writing next to 黄里沙, so that's why it can be sourced to the comic.		::The Japanese have a variety of different readings for kanji/hanzi, with the two main classifications being ''on'yomi'' and ''kun'yomi'', i.e. Chinese-based readings and native Japanese based readings respectively. Chinese people who have been naturalized in Japan might use the ''on'yomi'' (essentially Sino-Japanese) readings of their names rather than the pure Chinese ones. Kō Risa (ゴウ•リサ) is Sino-Japanese (''on'yomi''), and that reading of her name is also given in the very panel above in tiny writing next to 黄里沙, so that's why it can be sourced to the comic.
	::Apart from this, remember that there is no universal Chinese reading of kanji/hanzi because there are many different Chinese languages even though Mandarin reading is the most likely. I agree that it is so strange and even silly that her surname when working in English is different. Hopefully, it is just a mistake that they will fix. :-/ [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 06:31, April 29, 2020 (UTC)		::Apart from this, remember that there is no universal Chinese reading of kanji/hanzi because there are many different Chinese languages even though Mandarin reading is the most likely. I agree that it is so strange and even silly that her surname when working in English is different. Hopefully, it is just a mistake that they will fix. :-/ [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 06:31, April 29, 2020 (UTC)

			== Move to Ko Risa ==

			I am actually having second thoughts about keeping the title of this article at Lisa Yang. Since we have only gotten this name so far from Access the Animus, who in turn got it from Ubisoft, and we still don't seem to be able to give a proper citation for the name to a Ubisoft source, I think sourcing policy dictates that we have to prioritize the name that appears in the Japanese language: Kō Risa. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:17, June 14, 2020 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Surname? */

2020-04-29T06:31:02Z

Surname?

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	:All of this is rendered moot if Ubisoft actually says that Lisa Huang is her name, but the name they give us is Lisa Yang. Yang is PRC & ROC spelling, which should imply that Huang would also be used, but we don't have any source for the name Lisa Huang aside from our translation of the name given in the Japanese text.		:All of this is rendered moot if Ubisoft actually says that Lisa Huang is her name, but the name they give us is Lisa Yang. Yang is PRC & ROC spelling, which should imply that Huang would also be used, but we don't have any source for the name Lisa Huang aside from our translation of the name given in the Japanese text.
	:What I'm trying to say here is that strictly-speaking, we have two names for this character which can properly be sourced: Kō Risa (from the Japanese comic) and Lisa Yang (directly from Ubisoft), but the name Lisa Huang would probably constitute original research. Our article should say "Lisa Yang, also known as Kō Risa" or vice versa. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:38, April 28, 2020 (UTC)		:What I'm trying to say here is that strictly-speaking, we have two names for this character which can properly be sourced: Kō Risa (from the Japanese comic) and Lisa Yang (directly from Ubisoft), but the name Lisa Huang would probably constitute original research. Our article should say "Lisa Yang, also known as Kō Risa" or vice versa. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:38, April 28, 2020 (UTC)


	: Well, my opinion is based on Chinese - Japanese translation principles and word borrowing principles. The name writting in Japanese Kanji form is 黄里沙. It will stay the same in Chinese. So the English surname spelling should correspond with the pronounciation of the Chinese character because she is a Chinese though her family has been living in Japan for quite a long period. However, with the referrence that Access the Animus provided directly and the conclusion that Sol Pacificus had drew, I agree that Lisa Yang would be her English name.		: Well, my opinion is based on Chinese - Japanese translation principles and word borrowing principles. The name writting in Japanese Kanji form is 黄里沙. It will stay the same in Chinese. So the English surname spelling should correspond with the pronounciation of the Chinese character because she is a Chinese though her family has been living in Japan for quite a long period. However, with the referrence that Access the Animus provided directly and the conclusion that Sol Pacificus had drew, I agree that Lisa Yang would be her English name.

	: P.s.: It's still really weird that we have 黄里沙 in original Japanese manga content while Yang is the surname used when working in English. Such a deviation shouldn't have appeared in the first place. : ( [[User:关云\|关云]] ([[User talk:关云\|talk]]) 00:31, April 29, 2020 (UTC)		: P.s.: It's still really weird that we have 黄里沙 in original Japanese manga content while Yang is the surname used when working in English. Such a deviation shouldn't have appeared in the first place. : ( [[User:关云\|关云]] ([[User talk:关云\|talk]]) 00:31, April 29, 2020 (UTC)
			::The Japanese have a variety of different readings for kanji/hanzi, with the two main classifications being ''on'yomi'' and ''kun'yomi'', i.e. Chinese-based readings and native Japanese based readings respectively. Chinese people who have been naturalized in Japan might use the ''on'yomi'' (essentially Sino-Japanese) readings of their names rather than the pure Chinese ones. Kō Risa (ゴウ•リサ) is Sino-Japanese (''on'yomi''), and that reading of her name is also given in the very panel above in tiny writing next to 黄里沙, so that's why it can be sourced to the comic.
			::Apart from this, remember that there is no universal Chinese reading of kanji/hanzi because there are many different Chinese languages even though Mandarin reading is the most likely. I agree that it is so strange and even silly that her surname when working in English is different. Hopefully, it is just a mistake that they will fix. :-/ [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 06:31, April 29, 2020 (UTC)