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	==Jupiter <> Zeus?==		==Jupiter <> Zeus?==
	As per above, it seems there is no confirmation for that, Jasca. Which is what I've argued before. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:29, May 28, 2019 (UTC)		As per above, it seems there is no confirmation for that, Jasca. Which is what I've argued before. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:29, May 28, 2019 (UTC)
	:In that case we should have a seperate article for [[Zeus]], like we do for [[Neptune]] (and his Isu counterpart [[Poseidon]]). --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 13:04, May 28, 2019 (UTC)		:In that case we should have a seperate article for [[Zeus]], like we do for [[Neptune]] (and his Isu counterpart [[Poseidon]]). --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 13:04, May 28, 2019 (UTC)
	::Exactly. Working on it. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 14:17, May 28, 2019 (UTC)		::Exactly. Working on it. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 14:17, May 28, 2019 (UTC)

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	As per above, it seems there is no confirmation for that, Jasca. Which is what I've argued before. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:29, May 28, 2019 (UTC)		As per above, it seems there is no confirmation for that, Jasca. Which is what I've argued before. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:29, May 28, 2019 (UTC)
	:In that case we should have a seperate article for [[Zeus]], like we do for [[Neptune]] (and his Isu counterpart [[Poseidon]]). --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 13:04, May 28, 2019 (UTC)		:In that case we should have a seperate article for [[Zeus]], like we do for [[Neptune]] (and his Isu counterpart [[Poseidon]]). --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 13:04, May 28, 2019 (UTC)
			::Exactly. Working on it. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 14:17, May 28, 2019 (UTC)

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	==Jupiter's relation to Desmond==		==Jupiter's relation to Desmond==
	I'm just throwing this out as an idea, but what if Jupiter is Desmond's First Civilization ancestor. He has to have one since he has a high concentration of their DNA. And since Jupiter was communicating with him through the synch nexus, he could be Desmond's ancestor...or not. Just throwing that out. (Ultraman468)		I'm just throwing this out as an idea, but what if Jupiter is Desmond's First Civilization ancestor. He has to have one since he has a high concentration of their DNA. And since Jupiter was communicating with him through the synch nexus, he could be Desmond's ancestor...or not. Just throwing that out. (Ultraman468)

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	==Jupiter <> Zeus?==		==Jupiter <> Zeus?==
	As per above, it seems there is no confirmation for that, Jasca. Which is what I've argued before. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:29, May 28, 2019 (UTC)		As per above, it seems there is no confirmation for that, Jasca. Which is what I've argued before. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:29, May 28, 2019 (UTC)
			:In that case we should have a seperate article for [[Zeus]], like we do for [[Neptune]] (and his Isu counterpart [[Poseidon]]). --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 13:04, May 28, 2019 (UTC)

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	Add to that that your original argument was the Jupiter was the Roman name of "Zeus", which, considering ancient Greek was older than Etruscan civilization, would have been an older name than Tinia, hence not his original name. There's no clear indication that any of these names were their birth names either. I think most people seem to be in favor of keeping it as it is. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 09:29, August 21, 2015 (UTC)		Add to that that your original argument was the Jupiter was the Roman name of "Zeus", which, considering ancient Greek was older than Etruscan civilization, would have been an older name than Tinia, hence not his original name. There's no clear indication that any of these names were their birth names either. I think most people seem to be in favor of keeping it as it is. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 09:29, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

			==Jupiter <> Zeus?==
			As per above, it seems there is no confirmation for that, Jasca. Which is what I've argued before. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:29, May 28, 2019 (UTC)

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	:::Also, in response to your earlier point about it being a "retcon"; it's not. The name Tinia is first mentioned in AC2, so it is not new by any stretch of the imagination when the name is again mentioned in AC3. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 23:40, August 20, 2015 (UTC)		:::Also, in response to your earlier point about it being a "retcon"; it's not. The name Tinia is first mentioned in AC2, so it is not new by any stretch of the imagination when the name is again mentioned in AC3. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 23:40, August 20, 2015 (UTC)
	:::I know it was mentioned in Assassin's Creed II, maybe I'm using the wrong word by saying "retcon". [[User:Abelzorus Prime\|Abelzorus Prime]] ([[User talk:Abelzorus Prime\|talk]]) 23:57, August 20, 2015 (UTC)		:::I know it was mentioned in Assassin's Creed II, maybe I'm using the wrong word by saying "retcon". [[User:Abelzorus Prime\|Abelzorus Prime]] ([[User talk:Abelzorus Prime\|talk]]) 23:57, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

			Add to that that your original argument was the Jupiter was the Roman name of "Zeus", which, considering ancient Greek was older than Etruscan civilization, would have been an older name than Tinia, hence not his original name. There's no clear indication that any of these names were their birth names either. I think most people seem to be in favor of keeping it as it is. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 09:29, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

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	:::Also, in response to your earlier point about it being a "retcon"; it's not. The name Tinia is first mentioned in AC2, so it is not new by any stretch of the imagination when the name is again mentioned in AC3. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 23:40, August 20, 2015 (UTC)		:::Also, in response to your earlier point about it being a "retcon"; it's not. The name Tinia is first mentioned in AC2, so it is not new by any stretch of the imagination when the name is again mentioned in AC3. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 23:40, August 20, 2015 (UTC)
			:::I know it was mentioned in Assassin's Creed II, maybe I'm using the wrong word by saying "retcon". [[User:Abelzorus Prime\|Abelzorus Prime]] ([[User talk:Abelzorus Prime\|talk]]) 23:57, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

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	:Plus, he refers to himself as Jupiter in the ''Revelations'' novel.--[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 17:43, August 20, 2015 (UTC)		:Plus, he refers to himself as Jupiter in the ''Revelations'' novel.--[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 17:43, August 20, 2015 (UTC)
			::I don't really take the canon in the novels seroiusly compared to the games, they always get so many things wrong. What I got from Minerva's speech is that Tinia and Uni were their birth and official names, but when they died people called them by their Roman names. The fact that Juno reffered to him as Tinia seems to me that it is his proper name, but I think we should leave this discussion open and see how they refer to him in future instalments. [[User:Abelzorus Prime\|Abelzorus Prime]] ([[User talk:Abelzorus Prime\|talk]]) 20:10, August 20, 2015 (UTC)
			:::Whether you take the canon of the novels seriously or not is irrelevant, as they are still canon. As for the name of the article, if only for consistency (and since "Jupiter" is the 'latest' name he was known by), that is where the article should remain, in my opinion. He may have been called Tinia exclusively during his lifetime, but he was referred to by his Etruscan name during the years after his death; as was Merva and Uni.

	:~~I don't really take the canon~~ in ~~the novels seroiusly compared~~ to ~~the games, they always get so many things wrong. What I got from Minerva~~'s ~~speech is that Tinia and Uni were their birth and official names, but when they died people called them by their Roman names~~. The ~~fact that Juno reffered to him as~~ Tinia ~~seems to me that~~ it is ~~his proper~~ name~~, but I think we should leave this discussion open and see how they refer to him~~ in ~~future instalments~~. [[User:~~Abelzorus Prime~~\|~~Abelzorus Prime~~]] ([[User talk:~~Abelzorus Prime~~\|talk]]) 20:10, August 20, 2015 (UTC)		:::Also, in response to your earlier point about it being a "retcon"; it's not. The name Tinia is first mentioned in AC2, so it is not new by any stretch of the imagination when the name is again mentioned in AC3. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 23:40, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

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	:Plus, he refers to himself as Jupiter in the ''Revelations'' novel.--[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 17:43, August 20, 2015 (UTC)		:Plus, he refers to himself as Jupiter in the ''Revelations'' novel.--[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 17:43, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

			:I don't really take the canon in the novels seroiusly compared to the games, they always get so many things wrong. What I got from Minerva's speech is that Tinia and Uni were their birth and official names, but when they died people called them by their Roman names. The fact that Juno reffered to him as Tinia seems to me that it is his proper name, but I think we should leave this discussion open and see how they refer to him in future instalments. [[User:Abelzorus Prime\|Abelzorus Prime]] ([[User talk:Abelzorus Prime\|talk]]) 20:10, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

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	: I think it should be changed to Tinia as Assassin's Creed III is more recent canon and could be seen as a retcon of his name. I don't think think the "Estrucian" argument matters anymore as they have more recently introduced Aita. [[User:Abelzorus Prime\|Abelzorus Prime]] ([[User talk:Abelzorus Prime\|talk]]) 18:49, August 19, 2015 (UTC)		: I think it should be changed to Tinia as Assassin's Creed III is more recent canon and could be seen as a retcon of his name. I don't think think the "Estrucian" argument matters anymore as they have more recently introduced Aita. [[User:Abelzorus Prime\|Abelzorus Prime]] ([[User talk:Abelzorus Prime\|talk]]) 18:49, August 19, 2015 (UTC)

	::It's not really a ~~recon~~. Minerva herself mentions that they are known under several different names.--[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 18:57, August 19, 2015 (UTC)		::It's not really a retcon. Minerva herself mentions that they are known under several different names.--[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 18:57, August 19, 2015 (UTC)
	::I know but it can be seen as one. He was called Tinia through out Assassin's Creed III though, so an argument can be made. [[User:Abelzorus Prime\|Abelzorus Prime]] ([[User talk:Abelzorus Prime\|talk]]) 19:14, August 19, 2015 (UTC)		::I know but it can be seen as one. He was called Tinia through out Assassin's Creed III though, so an argument can be made. [[User:Abelzorus Prime\|Abelzorus Prime]] ([[User talk:Abelzorus Prime\|talk]]) 19:14, August 19, 2015 (UTC)

	"The others, too: Juno, who was before called Uni. Jupiter, who was before called Tinia..." Indicating it's not his most recent name. I'm also pretty sure the name "Tinia" is only mentioned once in the entirety of ''AC3'' so I don't find that a very strong argument. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 12:05, August 20, 2015 (UTC)		"The others, too: Juno, who was before called Uni. Jupiter, who was before called Tinia..." Indicating it's not his most recent name. I'm also pretty sure the name "Tinia" is only mentioned once in the entirety of ''AC3'' so I don't find that a very strong argument. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 12:05, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

			:Plus, he refers to himself as Jupiter in the ''Revelations'' novel.--[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 17:43, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

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	As per above, it seems there is no confirmation for that, Jasca. Which is what I've argued before. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:29, May 28, 2019 (UTC)		As per above, it seems there is no confirmation for that, Jasca. Which is what I've argued before. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:29, May 28, 2019 (UTC)
	:In that case we should have a seperate article for [[Zeus]], like we do for [[Neptune]] (and his Isu counterpart [[Poseidon]]). --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 13:04, May 28, 2019 (UTC)		:In that case we should have a seperate article for [[Zeus]], like we do for [[Neptune]] (and his Isu counterpart [[Poseidon]]). --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 13:04, May 28, 2019 (UTC)
			::Exactly. Working on it. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 14:17, May 28, 2019 (UTC)

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	: I think it should be changed to Tinia as Assassin's Creed III is more recent canon and could be seen as a retcon of his name. I don't think think the "Estrucian" argument matters anymore as they have more recently introduced Aita. [[User:Abelzorus Prime\|Abelzorus Prime]] ([[User talk:Abelzorus Prime\|talk]]) 18:49, August 19, 2015 (UTC)		: I think it should be changed to Tinia as Assassin's Creed III is more recent canon and could be seen as a retcon of his name. I don't think think the "Estrucian" argument matters anymore as they have more recently introduced Aita. [[User:Abelzorus Prime\|Abelzorus Prime]] ([[User talk:Abelzorus Prime\|talk]]) 18:49, August 19, 2015 (UTC)

	::It's not really a ~~recon~~. Minerva herself mentions that they are known under several different names.--[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 18:57, August 19, 2015 (UTC)		::It's not really a retcon. Minerva herself mentions that they are known under several different names.--[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 18:57, August 19, 2015 (UTC)
	::I know but it can be seen as one. He was called Tinia through out Assassin's Creed III though, so an argument can be made. [[User:Abelzorus Prime\|Abelzorus Prime]] ([[User talk:Abelzorus Prime\|talk]]) 19:14, August 19, 2015 (UTC)		::I know but it can be seen as one. He was called Tinia through out Assassin's Creed III though, so an argument can be made. [[User:Abelzorus Prime\|Abelzorus Prime]] ([[User talk:Abelzorus Prime\|talk]]) 19:14, August 19, 2015 (UTC)

	"The others, too: Juno, who was before called Uni. Jupiter, who was before called Tinia..." Indicating it's not his most recent name. I'm also pretty sure the name "Tinia" is only mentioned once in the entirety of ''AC3'' so I don't find that a very strong argument. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 12:05, August 20, 2015 (UTC)		"The others, too: Juno, who was before called Uni. Jupiter, who was before called Tinia..." Indicating it's not his most recent name. I'm also pretty sure the name "Tinia" is only mentioned once in the entirety of ''AC3'' so I don't find that a very strong argument. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 12:05, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

			:Plus, he refers to himself as Jupiter in the ''Revelations'' novel.--[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 17:43, August 20, 2015 (UTC)