Talk:Juan Borgia the Younger - Revision history

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imported>Amnestyyy: /* Younger than Cesare? */

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			Hm, I don't really think its necessary.. Mostly because even in real life we are unsure whether or not it is true... I suggest leaving it as it is.. [[User:Amnestyyy\|<span style="font-family:Blackadder ITC;font-size:19px;color:#FF033E;">'''Nesty'''</span>]] [[User_Talk:Amnestyyy\|<sup><span style="font-family:FlamencoD;color:#9966CC;">Contact me!</span></sup>]] 16:59, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

imported>RyanThe42nd: /* Younger than Cesare? */

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	The article in its current state reflects the AC-canon. Since that's what this wiki is all about, that's also how it is staying. AC-canon goes over historical facts, sorry.. [[User:Amnestyyy\|<span style="font-family:Blackadder ITC;font-size:19px;color:#FF033E;">'''Nesty'''</span>]] [[User_Talk:Amnestyyy\|<sup><span style="font-family:FlamencoD;color:#9966CC;">Contact me!</span></sup>]] 16:23, July 18, 2012 (UTC)		The article in its current state reflects the AC-canon. Since that's what this wiki is all about, that's also how it is staying. AC-canon goes over historical facts, sorry.. [[User:Amnestyyy\|<span style="font-family:Blackadder ITC;font-size:19px;color:#FF033E;">'''Nesty'''</span>]] [[User_Talk:Amnestyyy\|<sup><span style="font-family:FlamencoD;color:#9966CC;">Contact me!</span></sup>]] 16:23, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

			I guess that makes sense but maybe something should be put in the trivia like "In Assassin's Creed Ascendance/Brotherhood... but in real life..."

			[[User:RyanThe42nd\|RyanThe42nd]] ([[User talk:RyanThe42nd\|talk]]) 16:29, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

imported>Amnestyyy: /* Younger than Cesare? */

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	Wikipedia claims that Juan Borgia the Younger was actually most likely to be Cesare's younger brother. They say it is more likely that he was born in 1476 after Cesare. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Borgia,_2nd_Duke_of_Gandia)		Wikipedia claims that Juan Borgia the Younger was actually most likely to be Cesare's younger brother. They say it is more likely that he was born in 1476 after Cesare. ([[User:RyanThe42nd\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Borgia,_2nd_Duke_of_Gandia]])

	Seems interesting because why didn't Cesare get the position of Captain General if he was oldest? In the TV show "The Borgias" Rodrigo claims that he wants Cesare as his oldest son to "follow in his footsteps into the church" and that he will have "one son in the cloth and one in armour." It also claims that Giovanni (Juan) was his favourite and that was why he was Captain General.		Seems interesting because why didn't Cesare get the position of Captain General if he was oldest? In the TV show "The Borgias" Rodrigo claims that he wants Cesare as his oldest son to "follow in his footsteps into the church" and that he will have "one son in the cloth and one in armour." It also claims that Giovanni (Juan) was his favourite and that was why he was Captain General.
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			The article in its current state reflects the AC-canon. Since that's what this wiki is all about, that's also how it is staying. AC-canon goes over historical facts, sorry.. [[User:Amnestyyy\|<span style="font-family:Blackadder ITC;font-size:19px;color:#FF033E;">'''Nesty'''</span>]] [[User_Talk:Amnestyyy\|<sup><span style="font-family:FlamencoD;color:#9966CC;">Contact me!</span></sup>]] 16:23, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

imported>RyanThe42nd: /* Younger than Cesare? */ new section

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	:Even though it is ''obviously'' a mistake? [[User:Guardian Assassin\|Guardian Assassin]] 21:10, May 24, 2011 (UTC)		:Even though it is ''obviously'' a mistake? [[User:Guardian Assassin\|Guardian Assassin]] 21:10, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
	:Do you have proof that it was a mistake? No you don't, nor do I have proof the developers were being lazy. Saying that wouldn't be factual, therefore it should NOT be on the page. [[User:AssassinRome\|<span style="font-family:trajan pro;font-size:14px;color:#CCFF00;">'''Assassino de Roma'''</span>]] 21:23, May 24, 2011 (UTC)		:Do you have proof that it was a mistake? No you don't, nor do I have proof the developers were being lazy. Saying that wouldn't be factual, therefore it should NOT be on the page. [[User:AssassinRome\|<span style="font-family:trajan pro;font-size:14px;color:#CCFF00;">'''Assassino de Roma'''</span>]] 21:23, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

			== Younger than Cesare? ==

			Wikipedia claims that Juan Borgia the Younger was actually most likely to be Cesare's younger brother. They say it is more likely that he was born in 1476 after Cesare. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Borgia,_2nd_Duke_of_Gandia)

			Seems interesting because why didn't Cesare get the position of Captain General if he was oldest? In the TV show "The Borgias" Rodrigo claims that he wants Cesare as his oldest son to "follow in his footsteps into the church" and that he will have "one son in the cloth and one in armour." It also claims that Giovanni (Juan) was his favourite and that was why he was Captain General.

			I'm not sure if the actual game Assassin's Creed Brotherhood claims that Cesare was younger or not but for the sake of being historically correct I think the article should be edited to show this.

			[[User:RyanThe42nd\|RyanThe42nd]] ([[User talk:RyanThe42nd\|talk]]) 16:14, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

imported>AssassinRome: /* Killed by Cesare? */

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	:Right. One, we have no idea why Juan looks like his older cousin. Developers were to lazy, confused, we don't know. So unless a developer announces why Juan the Younger looks exactly like his cousin, it stays the way it is. [[User:AssassinRome\|<span style="font-family:trajan pro;font-size:14px;color:#CCFF00;">'''Assassino de Roma'''</span>]] 20:57, May 24, 2011 (UTC)		:Right. One, we have no idea why Juan looks like his older cousin. Developers were to lazy, confused, we don't know. So unless a developer announces why Juan the Younger looks exactly like his cousin, it stays the way it is. [[User:AssassinRome\|<span style="font-family:trajan pro;font-size:14px;color:#CCFF00;">'''Assassino de Roma'''</span>]] 20:57, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
	:Even though it is ''obviously'' a mistake? [[User:Guardian Assassin\|Guardian Assassin]] 21:10, May 24, 2011 (UTC)		:Even though it is ''obviously'' a mistake? [[User:Guardian Assassin\|Guardian Assassin]] 21:10, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
			:Do you have proof that it was a mistake? No you don't, nor do I have proof the developers were being lazy. Saying that wouldn't be factual, therefore it should NOT be on the page. [[User:AssassinRome\|<span style="font-family:trajan pro;font-size:14px;color:#CCFF00;">'''Assassino de Roma'''</span>]] 21:23, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

imported>Guardian Assassin at 21:10, 24 May 2011

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	:Right. One, we have no idea why Juan looks like his older cousin. Developers were to lazy, confused, we don't know. So unless a developer announces why Juan the Younger looks exactly like his cousin, it stays the way it is. [[User:AssassinRome\|<span style="font-family:trajan pro;font-size:14px;color:#CCFF00;">'''Assassino de Roma'''</span>]] 20:57, May 24, 2011 (UTC)		:Right. One, we have no idea why Juan looks like his older cousin. Developers were to lazy, confused, we don't know. So unless a developer announces why Juan the Younger looks exactly like his cousin, it stays the way it is. [[User:AssassinRome\|<span style="font-family:trajan pro;font-size:14px;color:#CCFF00;">'''Assassino de Roma'''</span>]] 20:57, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
			:Even though it is ''obviously'' a mistake? [[User:Guardian Assassin\|Guardian Assassin]] 21:10, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

imported>AssassinRome: /* Killed by Cesare? */

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	:How about making a note of it under "Trivia", and adding "as he appears in ''Assassin's Creed: Ascendance''" to the caption under the picture? [[Special:Contributions/98.192.42.30\|98.192.42.30]] 18:59, December 27, 2010 (UTC)		:How about making a note of it under "Trivia", and adding "as he appears in ''Assassin's Creed: Ascendance''" to the caption under the picture? [[Special:Contributions/98.192.42.30\|98.192.42.30]] 18:59, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
	:Seriously?! Seriously, you guys? (See trivia section to see what I'm ranting about. :P ) I think we can all agree that it's obviously a mistake made by the artists/directors of the film, no? Wouldn't it make much more sense to put something like, "It is likely that the creators of ''Ascendance'' confused Juan with his older cousin," rather than not acknowledging the discrepancy? [[User:Guardian Assassin\|Guardian Assassin]] 20:52, May 24, 2011 (UTC)		:Seriously?! Seriously, you guys? (See trivia section to see what I'm ranting about. :P ) I think we can all agree that it's obviously a mistake made by the artists/directors of the film, no? Wouldn't it make much more sense to put something like, "It is likely that the creators of ''Ascendance'' confused Juan with his older cousin," rather than not acknowledging the discrepancy? [[User:Guardian Assassin\|Guardian Assassin]] 20:52, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
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			:Right. One, we have no idea why Juan looks like his older cousin. Developers were to lazy, confused, we don't know. So unless a developer announces why Juan the Younger looks exactly like his cousin, it stays the way it is. [[User:AssassinRome\|<span style="font-family:trajan pro;font-size:14px;color:#CCFF00;">'''Assassino de Roma'''</span>]] 20:57, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

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	:Well guys, I don't think it's an error on any of our parts. Usually the AC creators are pretty accurate with appearances, but...I really think Ascendance was done by an associated part or something because I'm pretty sure the artists mixed up the two Juans. The one in the picture just can't be Cesare's brother going by historical knowledge. I mean, when I watched it, I immediately saw a problem, as did others with me. [[User:Durmer Darc]] 20:09, December 20, 2010 (UTC)		:Well guys, I don't think it's an error on any of our parts. Usually the AC creators are pretty accurate with appearances, but...I really think Ascendance was done by an associated part or something because I'm pretty sure the artists mixed up the two Juans. The one in the picture just can't be Cesare's brother going by historical knowledge. I mean, when I watched it, I immediately saw a problem, as did others with me. [[User:Durmer Darc]] 20:09, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
	:How about making a note of it under "Trivia", and adding "as he appears in ''Assassin's Creed: Ascendance''" to the caption under the picture? [[Special:Contributions/98.192.42.30\|98.192.42.30]] 18:59, December 27, 2010 (UTC)		:How about making a note of it under "Trivia", and adding "as he appears in ''Assassin's Creed: Ascendance''" to the caption under the picture? [[Special:Contributions/98.192.42.30\|98.192.42.30]] 18:59, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
			:Seriously?! Seriously, you guys? (See trivia section to see what I'm ranting about. :P ) I think we can all agree that it's obviously a mistake made by the artists/directors of the film, no? Wouldn't it make much more sense to put something like, "It is likely that the creators of ''Ascendance'' confused Juan with his older cousin," rather than not acknowledging the discrepancy? [[User:Guardian Assassin\|Guardian Assassin]] 20:52, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

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	:Well guys, I don't think it's an error on any of our parts. Usually the AC creators are pretty accurate with appearances, but...I really think Ascendance was done by an associated part or something because I'm pretty sure the artists mixed up the two Juans. The one in the picture just can't be Cesare's brother going by historical knowledge. I mean, when I watched it, I immediately saw a problem, as did others with me. [[User:Durmer Darc]] 20:09, December 20, 2010 (UTC)		:Well guys, I don't think it's an error on any of our parts. Usually the AC creators are pretty accurate with appearances, but...I really think Ascendance was done by an associated part or something because I'm pretty sure the artists mixed up the two Juans. The one in the picture just can't be Cesare's brother going by historical knowledge. I mean, when I watched it, I immediately saw a problem, as did others with me. [[User:Durmer Darc]] 20:09, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
			:How about making a note of it under "Trivia", and adding "as he appears in ''Assassin's Creed: Ascendance''" to the caption under the picture? [[Special:Contributions/98.192.42.30\|98.192.42.30]] 18:59, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

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	:Right. One, we have no idea why Juan looks like his older cousin. Developers were to lazy, confused, we don't know. So unless a developer announces why Juan the Younger looks exactly like his cousin, it stays the way it is. [[User:AssassinRome\|<span style="font-family:trajan pro;font-size:14px;color:#CCFF00;">'''Assassino de Roma'''</span>]] 20:57, May 24, 2011 (UTC)		:Right. One, we have no idea why Juan looks like his older cousin. Developers were to lazy, confused, we don't know. So unless a developer announces why Juan the Younger looks exactly like his cousin, it stays the way it is. [[User:AssassinRome\|<span style="font-family:trajan pro;font-size:14px;color:#CCFF00;">'''Assassino de Roma'''</span>]] 20:57, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
	:Even though it is ''obviously'' a mistake? [[User:Guardian Assassin\|Guardian Assassin]] 21:10, May 24, 2011 (UTC)		:Even though it is ''obviously'' a mistake? [[User:Guardian Assassin\|Guardian Assassin]] 21:10, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
			:Do you have proof that it was a mistake? No you don't, nor do I have proof the developers were being lazy. Saying that wouldn't be factual, therefore it should NOT be on the page. [[User:AssassinRome\|<span style="font-family:trajan pro;font-size:14px;color:#CCFF00;">'''Assassino de Roma'''</span>]] 21:23, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

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	:How about making a note of it under "Trivia", and adding "as he appears in ''Assassin's Creed: Ascendance''" to the caption under the picture? [[Special:Contributions/98.192.42.30\|98.192.42.30]] 18:59, December 27, 2010 (UTC)		:How about making a note of it under "Trivia", and adding "as he appears in ''Assassin's Creed: Ascendance''" to the caption under the picture? [[Special:Contributions/98.192.42.30\|98.192.42.30]] 18:59, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
	:Seriously?! Seriously, you guys? (See trivia section to see what I'm ranting about. :P ) I think we can all agree that it's obviously a mistake made by the artists/directors of the film, no? Wouldn't it make much more sense to put something like, "It is likely that the creators of ''Ascendance'' confused Juan with his older cousin," rather than not acknowledging the discrepancy? [[User:Guardian Assassin\|Guardian Assassin]] 20:52, May 24, 2011 (UTC)		:Seriously?! Seriously, you guys? (See trivia section to see what I'm ranting about. :P ) I think we can all agree that it's obviously a mistake made by the artists/directors of the film, no? Wouldn't it make much more sense to put something like, "It is likely that the creators of ''Ascendance'' confused Juan with his older cousin," rather than not acknowledging the discrepancy? [[User:Guardian Assassin\|Guardian Assassin]] 20:52, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
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			:Right. One, we have no idea why Juan looks like his older cousin. Developers were to lazy, confused, we don't know. So unless a developer announces why Juan the Younger looks exactly like his cousin, it stays the way it is. [[User:AssassinRome\|<span style="font-family:trajan pro;font-size:14px;color:#CCFF00;">'''Assassino de Roma'''</span>]] 20:57, May 24, 2011 (UTC)