https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AIsuTalk:Isu - Revision history2026-06-06T05:42:59ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.42.3https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Isu&diff=1119568&oldid=prevSoranin: Text replacement - "siniath" to "siniath"2026-05-10T17:59:03Z<p>Text replacement - "<a href="/index.php?title=W:c:assassinscreed:User_talk:Sadelyrate&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="W:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate (page does not exist)">siniath</a>" to "<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sadelyrate" title="User talk:Sadelyrate">siniath</a>"</p>
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</table>Soraninhttps://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Isu&diff=591715&oldid=previmported>Vetinari: /* Isu in Valhalla, Eivor's visions */2022-05-04T19:47:27Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Isu in Valhalla, Eivor's visions</span></span></p>
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</table>imported>Vetinarihttps://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Isu&diff=591714&oldid=previmported>TiagoFF: /* Isu in Valhalla, Eivor's visions */2022-05-04T15:29:12Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Isu in Valhalla, Eivor's visions</span></span></p>
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</table>imported>TiagoFFhttps://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Isu&diff=591713&oldid=previmported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Isu in Valhalla, Eivor's visions */2022-05-03T03:30:30Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Isu in Valhalla, Eivor's visions</span></span></p>
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</table>imported>Lacrossedeamonhttps://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Isu&diff=591712&oldid=previmported>Vetinari: /* Isu in Valhalla, Eivor's visions */2022-05-03T02:57:16Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Isu in Valhalla, Eivor's visions</span></span></p>
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</table>imported>Vetinarihttps://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Isu&diff=591711&oldid=previmported>Lady Kyashira: /* Isu in Valhalla, Eivor's visions */2022-05-03T02:00:48Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Isu in Valhalla, Eivor's visions</span></span></p>
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</table>imported>Lady Kyashirahttps://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Isu&diff=591710&oldid=previmported>Cristophorus35: /* Isu in Valhalla, Eivor's visions */2022-05-02T19:44:23Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Isu in Valhalla, Eivor's visions</span></span></p>
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</table>imported>Cristophorus35https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Isu&diff=591709&oldid=previmported>Vetinari: /* Isu in Valhalla, Eivor's visions */2022-05-02T15:02:10Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Isu in Valhalla, Eivor's visions</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::That Ragnarok scene is only possible to decipher because we have the Animus Anomalies to begin with to make the comparisons. If that anomaly scene isnt included at all, I'm pretty sure we all can come up with all kinds of small to big interpretationss. You are asking to decipher and interpret the visions based on our own asumptions and declare it canon because we have 0 inputs from the development team. That isn't how that works. The issue is again the mythological part that me and other editors are pointing out. And I am certainly not comfortable knowing that we are adding info to the wiki based on that.[[User:XOdeyssusx|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx|talk]]) 07:11, 2 May 2022 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::That Ragnarok scene is only possible to decipher because we have the Animus Anomalies to begin with to make the comparisons. If that anomaly scene isnt included at all, I'm pretty sure we all can come up with all kinds of small to big interpretationss. You are asking to decipher and interpret the visions based on our own asumptions and declare it canon because we have 0 inputs from the development team. That isn't how that works. The issue is again the mythological part that me and other editors are pointing out. And I am certainly not comfortable knowing that we are adding info to the wiki based on that.[[User:XOdeyssusx|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx|talk]]) 07:11, 2 May 2022 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>imported>Vetinarihttps://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Isu&diff=591708&oldid=previmported>TiagoFF: /* Isu in Valhalla, Eivor's visions */2022-05-02T13:11:21Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Isu in Valhalla, Eivor's visions</span></span></p>
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</table>imported>TiagoFFhttps://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Isu&diff=591707&oldid=previmported>Vetinari: /* Isu in Valhalla, Eivor's visions */2022-05-02T11:12:04Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Isu in Valhalla, Eivor's visions</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::Respectfully id like to disagree with that, we know from the mythalogical arcs that some things are only a myhtalogical veil and that the events in them are the actual events transpiring during isu times. Take the Truth sequence from valhalla as an aexample, there are slight dialouge changes between it and ofcourse the mythalogical filter has changed everything in the room but the base actual event is exactly the same as it is in the mythaloigcal arcs. They watch the world burn, they sit down in their chairs, in this they drink a fluid and in the other one the get injected, and then they exit with their poe's to face their doom. Id say all the events are like this, with slight dialouge changes and ofcourse the visual changes, Ie fenrir not being a wolf, the builder not growing 10 feet etc. So i think we should write it as if its actual isu events and "translate" the parts that are mythaloigcal, and if we cant come up with anything concrete we leave it vauge. Because id doubt this isu storyline will pop up in more games then perhaps ac: rift so why not write it like isu stuff for now and just change it in the future if there are discrepancies.[[User:BearticWiki|BearticWiki]] ([[User talk:BearticWiki|talk]]) 05:53, 2 May 2022 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::Respectfully id like to disagree with that, we know from the mythalogical arcs that some things are only a myhtalogical veil and that the events in them are the actual events transpiring during isu times. Take the Truth sequence from valhalla as an aexample, there are slight dialouge changes between it and ofcourse the mythalogical filter has changed everything in the room but the base actual event is exactly the same as it is in the mythaloigcal arcs. They watch the world burn, they sit down in their chairs, in this they drink a fluid and in the other one the get injected, and then they exit with their poe's to face their doom. Id say all the events are like this, with slight dialouge changes and ofcourse the visual changes, Ie fenrir not being a wolf, the builder not growing 10 feet etc. So i think we should write it as if its actual isu events and "translate" the parts that are mythaloigcal, and if we cant come up with anything concrete we leave it vauge. Because id doubt this isu storyline will pop up in more games then perhaps ac: rift so why not write it like isu stuff for now and just change it in the future if there are discrepancies.[[User:BearticWiki|BearticWiki]] ([[User talk:BearticWiki|talk]]) 05:53, 2 May 2022 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::That Ragnarok scene is only possible to decipher because we have the Animus Anomalies to begin with to make the comparisons. If that anomaly scene isnt included at all, I'm pretty sure we all can come up with all kinds of small to big interpretationss. You are asking to decipher and interpret the visions based on our own asumptions and declare it canon because we have 0 inputs from the development team. That isn't how that works. The issue is again the mythological part that me and other editors are pointing out. And I am certainly not comfortable knowing that we are adding info to the wiki based on that.[[User:XOdeyssusx|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx|talk]]) 07:11, 2 May 2022 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::That Ragnarok scene is only possible to decipher because we have the Animus Anomalies to begin with to make the comparisons. If that anomaly scene isnt included at all, I'm pretty sure we all can come up with all kinds of small to big interpretationss. You are asking to decipher and interpret the visions based on our own asumptions and declare it canon because we have 0 inputs from the development team. That isn't how that works. The issue is again the mythological part that me and other editors are pointing out. And I am certainly not comfortable knowing that we are adding info to the wiki based on that.[[User:XOdeyssusx|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx|talk]]) 07:11, 2 May 2022 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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