Talk:Herakles - Revision history

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	Given Odyssey, should we change this to Herakles? Originally, this article was named because of his appearance in the Glyphs/Rifts, but I'd daresay 'Herakles' is used way more in canon by now than 'Hercules'. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)		Given Odyssey, should we change this to Herakles? Originally, this article was named because of his appearance in the Glyphs/Rifts, but I'd daresay 'Herakles' is used way more in canon by now than 'Hercules'. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
	:I agree, we should indeed use the name most used (in this case Herakles) in such a case. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:27, November 3, 2018 (UTC)		:I agree, we should indeed use the name most used (in this case Herakles) in such a case. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:27, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
	::Should we do the same then with [[Asclepius]] and Asklepios? If I recall right, most ingame locations and mentions of him are "Asklepios". [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:28, November 3, 2018 (UTC)		::Should we do the same then with [[Asclepius]] and Asklepios? If I recall right, most ingame locations and mentions of him are "Asklepios". [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:28, November 3, 2018 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: Why did you remove all other replies to this topic?

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	Given Odyssey, should we change this to Herakles? Originally, this article was named because of his appearance in the Glyphs/Rifts, but I'd daresay 'Herakles' is used way more in canon by now than 'Hercules'. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)		Given Odyssey, should we change this to Herakles? Originally, this article was named because of his appearance in the Glyphs/Rifts, but I'd daresay 'Herakles' is used way more in canon by now than 'Hercules'. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
			:I agree, we should indeed use the name most used (in this case Herakles) in such a case. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:27, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
	Well, Hercules is the Latin form of the actual Greek, Herakles. I also think we ought to be using Greek alphabet if we are to rename the page in honor of his mention in AC Odyssey. So, it would read as, Ηερακλες (Herakles). Though there is one stipulation, the Isu are named for their Latin presentations and not their Greek ones. So, I am a little divided on this one. Perhaps there can be a trivia mention? [[User:SupremeAssassin\|''<span style="font-family:Trajan Pro;color:#006080;">Supreme Master Assassin</span>'']][[User_talk:SupremeAssassin\|<sup><font color="6ce4b0">O Mentoras</font></sup>]] 22:26, November 5, 2018 (UTC)		::Should we do the same then with [[Asclepius]] and Asklepios? If I recall right, most ingame locations and mentions of him are "Asklepios". [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:28, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
			:That's the [[Rome\|Roman]] variation of the name, as most of the Greek gods were assimilated into Roman culture after the Roman Empire conquered Greece. I feel that we should retain 'Hercules' as the name of the article and redirect 'Herakles' to this, like many of the Jupiter/Zeus articles. Even though Herakles is used more often, it doesn't discount the fact that the hero was introduced into the AC universe as 'Hercules'. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]])
			::By our naming policy, the name used in the most recent appearance and/or the more prominent appearance takes precedence. Even if not so, Herakles is originally a Greek hero, not a Roman one, so using his original name would be more accurate. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:38, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
			:::I assumed we’d treat it like we do Christopher Colombus. We have the article name in the anglicized/latinized version but the actual intro of the article starts with the original pronunciation. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 17:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
			::::The reason why [[Christopher Columbus]] is titled as such is not all because it is the Anglicized name. His was a contentious case because his more prominent appearance, ''Discovery'' where he is a main character referred to as Cristoffa Corombo, conflicts with the other criteria of a newer appearance, the film where he is called Christopher Columbus. Hence, it could have gone either way, and we only settled on the latter because we decided that it being the more commonly known name in real-life gave it a slight +1 point in its favor, but OOU popularity is normally not a factor. In academia, neither Herakles nor Hercules is more correct than the other if you're not referring specifically to the Roman or the Greek hero. However, if one is writing about Herakles in the context of a Greek setting, then Hercules is considered incorrect. If Herakles for us is more prominent in ''Odyssey'', if this is the name used in a newer source, and if we are favoring endonyms over foreign names, ''Herakles'' should be the name used. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:16, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
			:Well, Hercules is the Latin form of the actual Greek, Herakles. I also think we ought to be using Greek alphabet if we are to rename the page in honor of his mention in AC Odyssey. So, it would read as, Ηερακλες (Herakles). Though there is one stipulation, the Isu are named for their Latin presentations and not their Greek ones. So, I am a little divided on this one. Perhaps there can be a trivia mention? [[User:SupremeAssassin\|''<span style="font-family:Trajan Pro;color:#006080;">Supreme Master Assassin</span>'']][[User_talk:SupremeAssassin\|<sup><font color="6ce4b0">O Mentoras</font></sup>]] 22:26, November 5, 2018 (UTC)

imported>SupremeAssassin at 22:26, 5 November 2018

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	Given Odyssey, should we change this to Herakles? Originally, this article was named because of his appearance in the Glyphs/Rifts, but I'd daresay 'Herakles' is used way more in canon by now than 'Hercules'. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)		Given Odyssey, should we change this to Herakles? Originally, this article was named because of his appearance in the Glyphs/Rifts, but I'd daresay 'Herakles' is used way more in canon by now than 'Hercules'. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
	~~:I agree, we should indeed use the name most used (in this case Herakles) in such a case. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:27, November 3, 2018 (UTC)~~
	~~::Should we do the same then with [[Asclepius]] and Asklepios? If I recall right~~, ~~most ingame locations and mentions of him are "Asklepios". [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:28, November 3, 2018 (UTC)~~		Well, Hercules is the Latin form of the actual Greek, Herakles. I also think we ought to be using Greek alphabet if we are to rename the page in honor of his mention in AC Odyssey. So, it would read as, Ηερακλες (Herakles). Though there is one stipulation, the Isu are named for their Latin presentations and not their Greek ones. So, I am a little divided on this one. Perhaps there can be a trivia mention? [[User:SupremeAssassin\|''<span style="font-family:Trajan Pro;color:#006080;">Supreme Master Assassin</span>'']][[User_talk:SupremeAssassin\|<sup><font color="6ce4b0">O Mentoras</font></sup>]] 22:26, November 5, 2018 (UTC)
	~~:That's~~ the ~~[[Rome\|Roman]] variation~~ of the ~~name~~, ~~as most of the Greek gods were assimilated into Roman culture after the Roman Empire conquered Greece~~. I ~~feel that~~ we ~~should retain 'Hercules' as~~ the ~~name~~ of ~~the article and redirect 'Herakles' to this, like many of the Jupiter/Zeus articles~~. ~~Even though Herakles is used more often~~, it ~~doesn't discount the fact that the hero was introduced into the AC universe~~ as ~~'Hercules'. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]]~~ (~~[[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]~~)
	~~::By our naming policy~~, the ~~name used in the most recent appearance~~ and~~/or the more prominent appearance takes precedence. Even if~~ not ~~so, Herakles is originally a~~ Greek ~~hero~~, ~~not~~ a ~~Roman~~ one~~, so using his original name would~~ be ~~more accurate.~~ [[User:~~Sol Pacificus~~\|<span style="~~color:#990000;~~font-family:~~Monotype Corsiva~~;~~font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="~~color:#~~D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB~~;~~font-size:11px~~">~~(Cyfiero)~~</span>]]~~</sup> 15:38, November 3, 2018 (UTC)~~
	:::I assumed we’d treat it like we do Christopher Colombus. We have the article name in the anglicized/latinized version but the actual intro of the article starts with the original pronunciation. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 17:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
	::::The reason why [[Christopher Columbus]] is titled as such is not all because it is the Anglicized name. His was a contentious case because his more prominent appearance, ''Discovery'' where he is a main character referred to as Cristoffa Corombo, conflicts with the other criteria of a newer appearance, the film where he is called Christopher Columbus. Hence, it could have gone either way, and we only settled on the latter because we decided that it being the more commonly known name in real-life gave it a slight +1 point in its favor, but OOU popularity is normally not a factor. In academia, neither Herakles nor Hercules is more correct than the other if you're not referring specifically to the Roman or the Greek hero. However, if one is writing about Herakles in the context of a Greek setting, then Hercules is considered incorrect. If Herakles for us is more prominent in ''Odyssey'', if this is the name used in a newer source, and if we are favoring endonyms over foreign names, ''Herakles'' should be the name used. [[~~User~~:~~Sol Pacificus~~\|~~<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]~~<sup>~~[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|~~<~~span style~~="~~color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px~~">~~(Cyfiero)~~</~~span~~>]]</sup> 20:16, November 3, 2018 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: Sol Pacificus moved page Talk:Hercules to Talk:Herakles: In accordance with naming policy, this is the more recent, more widely used, and more indigenous name

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	::By our naming policy, the name used in the most recent appearance and/or the more prominent appearance takes precedence. Even if not so, Herakles is originally a Greek hero, not a Roman one, so using his original name would be more accurate. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:38, November 3, 2018 (UTC)		::By our naming policy, the name used in the most recent appearance and/or the more prominent appearance takes precedence. Even if not so, Herakles is originally a Greek hero, not a Roman one, so using his original name would be more accurate. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:38, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
	:::I assumed we’d treat it like we do Christopher Colombus. We have the article name in the anglicized/latinized version but the actual intro of the article starts with the original pronunciation. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 17:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)		:::I assumed we’d treat it like we do Christopher Colombus. We have the article name in the anglicized/latinized version but the actual intro of the article starts with the original pronunciation. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 17:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
			::::The reason why [[Christopher Columbus]] is titled as such is not all because it is the Anglicized name. His was a contentious case because his more prominent appearance, ''Discovery'' where he is a main character referred to as Cristoffa Corombo, conflicts with the other criteria of a newer appearance, the film where he is called Christopher Columbus. Hence, it could have gone either way, and we only settled on the latter because we decided that it being the more commonly known name in real-life gave it a slight +1 point in its favor, but OOU popularity is normally not a factor. In academia, neither Herakles nor Hercules is more correct than the other if you're not referring specifically to the Roman or the Greek hero. However, if one is writing about Herakles in the context of a Greek setting, then Hercules is considered incorrect. If Herakles for us is more prominent in ''Odyssey'', if this is the name used in a newer source, and if we are favoring endonyms over foreign names, ''Herakles'' should be the name used. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:16, November 3, 2018 (UTC)

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	:That's the [[Rome\|Roman]] variation of the name, as most of the Greek gods were assimilated into Roman culture after the Roman Empire conquered Greece. I feel that we should retain 'Hercules' as the name of the article and redirect 'Herakles' to this, like many of the Jupiter/Zeus articles. Even though Herakles is used more often, it doesn't discount the fact that the hero was introduced into the AC universe as 'Hercules'. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]])		:That's the [[Rome\|Roman]] variation of the name, as most of the Greek gods were assimilated into Roman culture after the Roman Empire conquered Greece. I feel that we should retain 'Hercules' as the name of the article and redirect 'Herakles' to this, like many of the Jupiter/Zeus articles. Even though Herakles is used more often, it doesn't discount the fact that the hero was introduced into the AC universe as 'Hercules'. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]])
	::By our naming policy, the name used in the most recent appearance and/or the more prominent appearance takes precedence. Even if not so, Herakles is originally a Greek hero, not a Roman one, so using his original name would be more accurate. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:38, November 3, 2018 (UTC)		::By our naming policy, the name used in the most recent appearance and/or the more prominent appearance takes precedence. Even if not so, Herakles is originally a Greek hero, not a Roman one, so using his original name would be more accurate. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:38, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
			:::I assumed we’d treat it like we do Christopher Colombus. We have the article name in the anglicized/latinized version but the actual intro of the article starts with the original pronunciation. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 17:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)

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	::Should we do the same then with [[Asclepius]] and Asklepios? If I recall right, most ingame locations and mentions of him are "Asklepios". [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:28, November 3, 2018 (UTC)		::Should we do the same then with [[Asclepius]] and Asklepios? If I recall right, most ingame locations and mentions of him are "Asklepios". [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:28, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
	:That's the [[Rome\|Roman]] variation of the name, as most of the Greek gods were assimilated into Roman culture after the Roman Empire conquered Greece. I feel that we should retain 'Hercules' as the name of the article and redirect 'Herakles' to this, like many of the Jupiter/Zeus articles. Even though Herakles is used more often, it doesn't discount the fact that the hero was introduced into the AC universe as 'Hercules'. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]])		:That's the [[Rome\|Roman]] variation of the name, as most of the Greek gods were assimilated into Roman culture after the Roman Empire conquered Greece. I feel that we should retain 'Hercules' as the name of the article and redirect 'Herakles' to this, like many of the Jupiter/Zeus articles. Even though Herakles is used more often, it doesn't discount the fact that the hero was introduced into the AC universe as 'Hercules'. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]])
			::By our naming policy, the name used in the most recent appearance and/or the more prominent appearance takes precedence. Even if not so, Herakles is originally a Greek hero, not a Roman one, so using his original name would be more accurate. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:38, November 3, 2018 (UTC)

imported>Lady Kyashira: Corrected spelling/grammar

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	:I agree, we should indeed use the name most used (in this case Herakles) in such a case. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:27, November 3, 2018 (UTC)		:I agree, we should indeed use the name most used (in this case Herakles) in such a case. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:27, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
	::Should we do the same then with [[Asclepius]] and Asklepios? If I recall right, most ingame locations and mentions of him are "Asklepios". [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:28, November 3, 2018 (UTC)		::Should we do the same then with [[Asclepius]] and Asklepios? If I recall right, most ingame locations and mentions of him are "Asklepios". [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:28, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
	:That's the [[Rome\|Roman]] variation of the name, as most of the Greek gods were assimilated into Roman culture after the Roman Empire conquered Greece. I feel that we retain 'Hercules' as the name of the article ~~for redirecting~~ 'Herakles' to this, like many of the Jupiter/Zeus articles. Even though Herakles is used more often, it doesn't discount the fact that the hero was introduced into the AC universe as 'Hercules'. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]])		:That's the [[Rome\|Roman]] variation of the name, as most of the Greek gods were assimilated into Roman culture after the Roman Empire conquered Greece. I feel that we should retain 'Hercules' as the name of the article and redirect 'Herakles' to this, like many of the Jupiter/Zeus articles. Even though Herakles is used more often, it doesn't discount the fact that the hero was introduced into the AC universe as 'Hercules'. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]])

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	Given Odyssey, should we change this to Herakles? Originally, this article was named because of his appearance in the Glyphs/Rifts, but I'd daresay 'Herakles' is used way more in canon by now than 'Hercules'. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)		Given Odyssey, should we change this to Herakles? Originally, this article was named because of his appearance in the Glyphs/Rifts, but I'd daresay 'Herakles' is used way more in canon by now than 'Hercules'. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
	:I agree, we should indeed use the name most used (in this case Herakles) in such a case. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:27, November 3, 2018 (UTC)		:I agree, we should indeed use the name most used (in this case Herakles) in such a case. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:27, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
	:Should we do the same then with [[Asclepius]] and Asklepios? If I recall right, most ingame locations and mentions of him are "Asklepios". [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:28, November 3, 2018 (UTC)		::Should we do the same then with [[Asclepius]] and Asklepios? If I recall right, most ingame locations and mentions of him are "Asklepios". [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:28, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
			:That's the [[Rome\|Roman]] variation of the name, as most of the Greek gods were assimilated into Roman culture after the Roman Empire conquered Greece. I feel that we retain 'Hercules' as the name of the article for redirecting 'Herakles' to this, like many of the Jupiter/Zeus articles. Even though Herakles is used more often, it doesn't discount the fact that the hero was introduced into the AC universe as 'Hercules'. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]])

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	Given Odyssey, should we change this to Herakles? Originally, this article was named because of his appearance in the Glyphs/Rifts, but I'd daresay 'Herakles' is used way more in canon by now than 'Hercules'. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)		Given Odyssey, should we change this to Herakles? Originally, this article was named because of his appearance in the Glyphs/Rifts, but I'd daresay 'Herakles' is used way more in canon by now than 'Hercules'. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
	:I agree, we should indeed use the name most used (in this case Herakles) in such a case. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:27, November 3, 2018 (UTC)		:I agree, we should indeed use the name most used (in this case Herakles) in such a case. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:27, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
			:Should we do the same then with [[Asclepius]] and Asklepios? If I recall right, most ingame locations and mentions of him are "Asklepios". [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:28, November 3, 2018 (UTC)

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	Given Odyssey, should we change this to Herakles? Originally, this article was named because of his appearance in the Glyphs/Rifts, but I'd daresay 'Herakles' is used way more in canon by now than 'Hercules'. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)		Given Odyssey, should we change this to Herakles? Originally, this article was named because of his appearance in the Glyphs/Rifts, but I'd daresay 'Herakles' is used way more in canon by now than 'Hercules'. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
			:I agree, we should indeed use the name most used (in this case Herakles) in such a case. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:27, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
	Well, Hercules is the Latin form of the actual Greek, Herakles. I also think we ought to be using Greek alphabet if we are to rename the page in honor of his mention in AC Odyssey. So, it would read as, Ηερακλες (Herakles). Though there is one stipulation, the Isu are named for their Latin presentations and not their Greek ones. So, I am a little divided on this one. Perhaps there can be a trivia mention? [[User:SupremeAssassin\|''<span style="font-family:Trajan Pro;color:#006080;">Supreme Master Assassin</span>'']][[User_talk:SupremeAssassin\|<sup><font color="6ce4b0">O Mentoras</font></sup>]] 22:26, November 5, 2018 (UTC)		::Should we do the same then with [[Asclepius]] and Asklepios? If I recall right, most ingame locations and mentions of him are "Asklepios". [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:28, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
			:That's the [[Rome\|Roman]] variation of the name, as most of the Greek gods were assimilated into Roman culture after the Roman Empire conquered Greece. I feel that we should retain 'Hercules' as the name of the article and redirect 'Herakles' to this, like many of the Jupiter/Zeus articles. Even though Herakles is used more often, it doesn't discount the fact that the hero was introduced into the AC universe as 'Hercules'. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]])
			::By our naming policy, the name used in the most recent appearance and/or the more prominent appearance takes precedence. Even if not so, Herakles is originally a Greek hero, not a Roman one, so using his original name would be more accurate. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:38, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
			:::I assumed we’d treat it like we do Christopher Colombus. We have the article name in the anglicized/latinized version but the actual intro of the article starts with the original pronunciation. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 17:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
			::::The reason why [[Christopher Columbus]] is titled as such is not all because it is the Anglicized name. His was a contentious case because his more prominent appearance, ''Discovery'' where he is a main character referred to as Cristoffa Corombo, conflicts with the other criteria of a newer appearance, the film where he is called Christopher Columbus. Hence, it could have gone either way, and we only settled on the latter because we decided that it being the more commonly known name in real-life gave it a slight +1 point in its favor, but OOU popularity is normally not a factor. In academia, neither Herakles nor Hercules is more correct than the other if you're not referring specifically to the Roman or the Greek hero. However, if one is writing about Herakles in the context of a Greek setting, then Hercules is considered incorrect. If Herakles for us is more prominent in ''Odyssey'', if this is the name used in a newer source, and if we are favoring endonyms over foreign names, ''Herakles'' should be the name used. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:16, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
			:Well, Hercules is the Latin form of the actual Greek, Herakles. I also think we ought to be using Greek alphabet if we are to rename the page in honor of his mention in AC Odyssey. So, it would read as, Ηερακλες (Herakles). Though there is one stipulation, the Isu are named for their Latin presentations and not their Greek ones. So, I am a little divided on this one. Perhaps there can be a trivia mention? [[User:SupremeAssassin\|''<span style="font-family:Trajan Pro;color:#006080;">Supreme Master Assassin</span>'']][[User_talk:SupremeAssassin\|<sup><font color="6ce4b0">O Mentoras</font></sup>]] 22:26, November 5, 2018 (UTC)

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	==Name of the article==		==Name of the article==
	Given Odyssey, should we change this to Herakles? Originally, this article was named because of his appearance in the Glyphs/Rifts, but I'd daresay 'Herakles' is used way more in canon by now than 'Hercules'. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)		Given Odyssey, should we change this to Herakles? Originally, this article was named because of his appearance in the Glyphs/Rifts, but I'd daresay 'Herakles' is used way more in canon by now than 'Hercules'. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 09:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
	~~:I agree, we should indeed use the name most used (in this case Herakles) in such a case. [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:27, November 3, 2018 (UTC)~~
	~~::Should we do the same then with [[Asclepius]] and Asklepios? If I recall right~~, ~~most ingame locations and mentions of him are "Asklepios". [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:28, November 3, 2018 (UTC)~~		Well, Hercules is the Latin form of the actual Greek, Herakles. I also think we ought to be using Greek alphabet if we are to rename the page in honor of his mention in AC Odyssey. So, it would read as, Ηερακλες (Herakles). Though there is one stipulation, the Isu are named for their Latin presentations and not their Greek ones. So, I am a little divided on this one. Perhaps there can be a trivia mention? [[User:SupremeAssassin\|''<span style="font-family:Trajan Pro;color:#006080;">Supreme Master Assassin</span>'']][[User_talk:SupremeAssassin\|<sup><font color="6ce4b0">O Mentoras</font></sup>]] 22:26, November 5, 2018 (UTC)
	~~:That's~~ the ~~[[Rome\|Roman]] variation~~ of the ~~name~~, ~~as most of the Greek gods were assimilated into Roman culture after the Roman Empire conquered Greece~~. I ~~feel that~~ we ~~should retain 'Hercules' as~~ the ~~name~~ of ~~the article and redirect 'Herakles' to this, like many of the Jupiter/Zeus articles~~. ~~Even though Herakles is used more often~~, it ~~doesn't discount the fact that the hero was introduced into the AC universe~~ as ~~'Hercules'. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]]~~ (~~[[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]~~)
	~~::By our naming policy~~, the ~~name used in the most recent appearance~~ and~~/or the more prominent appearance takes precedence. Even if~~ not ~~so, Herakles is originally a~~ Greek ~~hero~~, ~~not~~ a ~~Roman~~ one~~, so using his original name would~~ be ~~more accurate.~~ [[User:~~Sol Pacificus~~\|<span style="~~color:#990000;~~font-family:~~Monotype Corsiva~~;~~font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="~~color:#~~D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB~~;~~font-size:11px~~">~~(Cyfiero)~~</span>]]~~</sup> 15:38, November 3, 2018 (UTC)~~
	:::I assumed we’d treat it like we do Christopher Colombus. We have the article name in the anglicized/latinized version but the actual intro of the article starts with the original pronunciation. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 17:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
	::::The reason why [[Christopher Columbus]] is titled as such is not all because it is the Anglicized name. His was a contentious case because his more prominent appearance, ''Discovery'' where he is a main character referred to as Cristoffa Corombo, conflicts with the other criteria of a newer appearance, the film where he is called Christopher Columbus. Hence, it could have gone either way, and we only settled on the latter because we decided that it being the more commonly known name in real-life gave it a slight +1 point in its favor, but OOU popularity is normally not a factor. In academia, neither Herakles nor Hercules is more correct than the other if you're not referring specifically to the Roman or the Greek hero. However, if one is writing about Herakles in the context of a Greek setting, then Hercules is considered incorrect. If Herakles for us is more prominent in ''Odyssey'', if this is the name used in a newer source, and if we are favoring endonyms over foreign names, ''Herakles'' should be the name used. [[~~User~~:~~Sol Pacificus~~\|~~<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]~~<sup>~~[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|~~<~~span style~~="~~color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px~~">~~(Cyfiero)~~</~~span~~>]]</sup> 20:16, November 3, 2018 (UTC)

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	::By our naming policy, the name used in the most recent appearance and/or the more prominent appearance takes precedence. Even if not so, Herakles is originally a Greek hero, not a Roman one, so using his original name would be more accurate. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:38, November 3, 2018 (UTC)		::By our naming policy, the name used in the most recent appearance and/or the more prominent appearance takes precedence. Even if not so, Herakles is originally a Greek hero, not a Roman one, so using his original name would be more accurate. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:38, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
	:::I assumed we’d treat it like we do Christopher Colombus. We have the article name in the anglicized/latinized version but the actual intro of the article starts with the original pronunciation. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 17:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)		:::I assumed we’d treat it like we do Christopher Colombus. We have the article name in the anglicized/latinized version but the actual intro of the article starts with the original pronunciation. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 17:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
			::::The reason why [[Christopher Columbus]] is titled as such is not all because it is the Anglicized name. His was a contentious case because his more prominent appearance, ''Discovery'' where he is a main character referred to as Cristoffa Corombo, conflicts with the other criteria of a newer appearance, the film where he is called Christopher Columbus. Hence, it could have gone either way, and we only settled on the latter because we decided that it being the more commonly known name in real-life gave it a slight +1 point in its favor, but OOU popularity is normally not a factor. In academia, neither Herakles nor Hercules is more correct than the other if you're not referring specifically to the Roman or the Greek hero. However, if one is writing about Herakles in the context of a Greek setting, then Hercules is considered incorrect. If Herakles for us is more prominent in ''Odyssey'', if this is the name used in a newer source, and if we are favoring endonyms over foreign names, ''Herakles'' should be the name used. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:16, November 3, 2018 (UTC)

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	:That's the [[Rome\|Roman]] variation of the name, as most of the Greek gods were assimilated into Roman culture after the Roman Empire conquered Greece. I feel that we should retain 'Hercules' as the name of the article and redirect 'Herakles' to this, like many of the Jupiter/Zeus articles. Even though Herakles is used more often, it doesn't discount the fact that the hero was introduced into the AC universe as 'Hercules'. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]])		:That's the [[Rome\|Roman]] variation of the name, as most of the Greek gods were assimilated into Roman culture after the Roman Empire conquered Greece. I feel that we should retain 'Hercules' as the name of the article and redirect 'Herakles' to this, like many of the Jupiter/Zeus articles. Even though Herakles is used more often, it doesn't discount the fact that the hero was introduced into the AC universe as 'Hercules'. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]])
	::By our naming policy, the name used in the most recent appearance and/or the more prominent appearance takes precedence. Even if not so, Herakles is originally a Greek hero, not a Roman one, so using his original name would be more accurate. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:38, November 3, 2018 (UTC)		::By our naming policy, the name used in the most recent appearance and/or the more prominent appearance takes precedence. Even if not so, Herakles is originally a Greek hero, not a Roman one, so using his original name would be more accurate. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:38, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
			:::I assumed we’d treat it like we do Christopher Colombus. We have the article name in the anglicized/latinized version but the actual intro of the article starts with the original pronunciation. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 17:22, November 3, 2018 (UTC)

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	::Should we do the same then with [[Asclepius]] and Asklepios? If I recall right, most ingame locations and mentions of him are "Asklepios". [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:28, November 3, 2018 (UTC)		::Should we do the same then with [[Asclepius]] and Asklepios? If I recall right, most ingame locations and mentions of him are "Asklepios". [[User:Kennyannydenny\|Kennyannydenny]] ([[User talk:Kennyannydenny\|talk]]) 09:28, November 3, 2018 (UTC)
	:That's the [[Rome\|Roman]] variation of the name, as most of the Greek gods were assimilated into Roman culture after the Roman Empire conquered Greece. I feel that we should retain 'Hercules' as the name of the article and redirect 'Herakles' to this, like many of the Jupiter/Zeus articles. Even though Herakles is used more often, it doesn't discount the fact that the hero was introduced into the AC universe as 'Hercules'. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]])		:That's the [[Rome\|Roman]] variation of the name, as most of the Greek gods were assimilated into Roman culture after the Roman Empire conquered Greece. I feel that we should retain 'Hercules' as the name of the article and redirect 'Herakles' to this, like many of the Jupiter/Zeus articles. Even though Herakles is used more often, it doesn't discount the fact that the hero was introduced into the AC universe as 'Hercules'. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]])
			::By our naming policy, the name used in the most recent appearance and/or the more prominent appearance takes precedence. Even if not so, Herakles is originally a Greek hero, not a Roman one, so using his original name would be more accurate. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:38, November 3, 2018 (UTC)