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	::Yeah we do t want another Ishak Pasha scenario so while not the best sources but Arabic wiki says 1037 while Farsi goes with c. 1050 which what Farhad Daftary postulates. Alamut wasn’t captured until 1090 but it can be assumed that the founding of the Assassin could be a little prior to that. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:19, April 11, 2020 (UTC)		::Yeah we do t want another Ishak Pasha scenario so while not the best sources but Arabic wiki says 1037 while Farsi goes with c. 1050 which what Farhad Daftary postulates. Alamut wasn’t captured until 1090 but it can be assumed that the founding of the Assassin could be a little prior to that. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:19, April 11, 2020 (UTC)
	:::I think I'll just remove the birth date now to be safe until we have time to verify with all sources? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:45, April 11, 2020 (UTC)		:::I think I'll just remove the birth date now to be safe until we have time to verify with all sources? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:45, April 11, 2020 (UTC)
			::::We also need to check the founding date for the Levantine Assassins in the sources. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 23:26, April 11, 2020 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Date of Birth? */

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	:So after looking through the [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Hassan-i_Sabb%C4%81h?diff=prev&oldid=693126 old history], it seems like Piero likely changed the date of birth based on the Italian Wikipedia's [https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%B8%A4asan-i_%E1%B9%A2abb%C4%81%E1%B8%A5 version] of the article. I think we should correct it, but we should also verify the dates by checking through academic sources and ''Assassin's Creed'' sources. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:06, April 11, 2020 (UTC)		:So after looking through the [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Hassan-i_Sabb%C4%81h?diff=prev&oldid=693126 old history], it seems like Piero likely changed the date of birth based on the Italian Wikipedia's [https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%B8%A4asan-i_%E1%B9%A2abb%C4%81%E1%B8%A5 version] of the article. I think we should correct it, but we should also verify the dates by checking through academic sources and ''Assassin's Creed'' sources. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:06, April 11, 2020 (UTC)
	::Yeah we do t want another Ishak Pasha scenario so while not the best sources but Arabic wiki says 1037 while Farsi goes with c. 1050 which what Farhad Daftary postulates. Alamut wasn’t captured until 1090 but it can be assumed that the founding of the Assassin could be a little prior to that. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:19, April 11, 2020 (UTC)		::Yeah we do t want another Ishak Pasha scenario so while not the best sources but Arabic wiki says 1037 while Farsi goes with c. 1050 which what Farhad Daftary postulates. Alamut wasn’t captured until 1090 but it can be assumed that the founding of the Assassin could be a little prior to that. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:19, April 11, 2020 (UTC)
			:::I think I'll just remove the birth date now to be safe until we have time to verify with all sources? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:45, April 11, 2020 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Date of Birth? */

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	What exactly is the source for that date? Historically he isn’t believed to have been born until around 1050 which is when we have him creating the Assassins. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:39, April 11, 2020 (UTC)		What exactly is the source for that date? Historically he isn’t believed to have been born until around 1050 which is when we have him creating the Assassins. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:39, April 11, 2020 (UTC)
	:So after looking through the [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Hassan-i_Sabb%C4%81h?diff=prev&oldid=693126 old history], it seems like Piero likely changed the date of birth based on the Italian Wikipedia's [https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%B8%A4asan-i_%E1%B9%A2abb%C4%81%E1%B8%A5 version] of the article. I think we should correct it, but we should also verify the dates by checking through academic sources and ''Assassin's Creed'' sources. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:06, April 11, 2020 (UTC)		:So after looking through the [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Hassan-i_Sabb%C4%81h?diff=prev&oldid=693126 old history], it seems like Piero likely changed the date of birth based on the Italian Wikipedia's [https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%B8%A4asan-i_%E1%B9%A2abb%C4%81%E1%B8%A5 version] of the article. I think we should correct it, but we should also verify the dates by checking through academic sources and ''Assassin's Creed'' sources. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:06, April 11, 2020 (UTC)
			::Yeah we do t want another Ishak Pasha scenario so while not the best sources but Arabic wiki says 1037 while Farsi goes with c. 1050 which what Farhad Daftary postulates. Alamut wasn’t captured until 1090 but it can be assumed that the founding of the Assassin could be a little prior to that. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:19, April 11, 2020 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Date of Birth? */

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	What exactly is the source for that date? Historically he isn’t believed to have been born until around 1050 which is when we have him creating the Assassins. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:39, April 11, 2020 (UTC)		What exactly is the source for that date? Historically he isn’t believed to have been born until around 1050 which is when we have him creating the Assassins. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:39, April 11, 2020 (UTC)
			:So after looking through the [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Hassan-i_Sabb%C4%81h?diff=prev&oldid=693126 old history], it seems like Piero likely changed the date of birth based on the Italian Wikipedia's [https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%B8%A4asan-i_%E1%B9%A2abb%C4%81%E1%B8%A5 version] of the article. I think we should correct it, but we should also verify the dates by checking through academic sources and ''Assassin's Creed'' sources. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:06, April 11, 2020 (UTC)

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	The English word assassin derived from Arabic word Hashshashin or hashish,meaning a kind of herb(?),which makes the Assassin Order and its members can not be called "Assassin" in form or semantics.Furthermore,"Assassins" operating before the medieval age,like the Roman and Chinese members,cannot be called that.I see that the ancient Roman Order was operated in the name of "Circle of Liberals",but how the designers name the game if it is set in such a period?[[User:Sleeplust\|Sleeplust]] ([[User talk:Sleeplust\|talk]]) 15:41, November 2, 2015 (UTC)		The English word assassin derived from Arabic word Hashshashin or hashish,meaning a kind of herb(?),which makes the Assassin Order and its members can not be called "Assassin" in form or semantics.Furthermore,"Assassins" operating before the medieval age,like the Roman and Chinese members,cannot be called that.I see that the ancient Roman Order was operated in the name of "Circle of Liberals",but how the designers name the game if it is set in such a period?[[User:Sleeplust\|Sleeplust]] ([[User talk:Sleeplust\|talk]]) 15:41, November 2, 2015 (UTC)
	:The use of the name "Assassins" for the organisation before the 11th century is anachronistic, since we don't know what they called themselves beforehand. This is actually touched upon [[Database: The Assassin Brotherhood\|in ''Syndicate'']]. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 16:38, November 2, 2015 (UTC)		:The use of the name "Assassins" for the organisation before the 11th century is anachronistic, since we don't know what they called themselves beforehand. This is actually touched upon [[Database: The Assassin Brotherhood\|in ''Syndicate'']]. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 16:38, November 2, 2015 (UTC)

			== Date of Birth? ==

			What exactly is the source for that date? Historically he isn’t believed to have been born until around 1050 which is when we have him creating the Assassins. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:39, April 11, 2020 (UTC)

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	== Big question to the name of Assassin Order ==		== Big question to the name of Assassin Order ==

	The English word assassin derived from Arabic word Hashshashin or hashish,meaning a kind of herb(?),which makes the Assassin Order and its members can not be called "Assassin" in form or semantics.Furthermore,"Assassins" operating before the medieval age,like the Roman and Chinese members,cannot be called that.I see that the ancient Roman Order was operated in the name of "Circle of Liberals",but how the designers name the game if it is set in such a period?[[User:Sleeplust\|Sleeplust]] ([[User talk:Sleeplust\|talk]]) 15:41, November 2, 2015 (UTC)		The English word assassin derived from Arabic word Hashshashin or hashish,meaning a kind of herb(?),which makes the Assassin Order and its members can not be called "Assassin" in form or semantics.Furthermore,"Assassins" operating before the medieval age,like the Roman and Chinese members,cannot be called that.I see that the ancient Roman Order was operated in the name of "Circle of Liberals",but how the designers name the game if it is set in such a period?[[User:Sleeplust\|Sleeplust]] ([[User talk:Sleeplust\|talk]]) 15:41, November 2, 2015 (UTC)
	:The use of the name "Assassins" for the organisation before the 11th century is anachronistic, since we don't know what they called themselves beforehand. This is actually touched upon [[Database: The Assassin Brotherhood\|in ''Syndicate'']]. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 16:38, November 2, 2015 (UTC)		:The use of the name "Assassins" for the organisation before the 11th century is anachronistic, since we don't know what they called themselves beforehand. This is actually touched upon [[Database: The Assassin Brotherhood\|in ''Syndicate'']]. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 16:38, November 2, 2015 (UTC)

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	The English word assassin derived from Arabic word Hashshashin or hashish,meaning a kind of herb(?),which makes the Assassin Order and its members can not be called "Assassin" in form or semantics.Furthermore,"Assassins" operating before the medieval age,like the Roman and Chinese members,cannot be called that.I see that the ancient Roman Order was operated in the name of "Circle of Liberals",but how the designers name the game if it is set in such a period?[[User:Sleeplust\|Sleeplust]] ([[User talk:Sleeplust\|talk]]) 15:41, November 2, 2015 (UTC)		The English word assassin derived from Arabic word Hashshashin or hashish,meaning a kind of herb(?),which makes the Assassin Order and its members can not be called "Assassin" in form or semantics.Furthermore,"Assassins" operating before the medieval age,like the Roman and Chinese members,cannot be called that.I see that the ancient Roman Order was operated in the name of "Circle of Liberals",but how the designers name the game if it is set in such a period?[[User:Sleeplust\|Sleeplust]] ([[User talk:Sleeplust\|talk]]) 15:41, November 2, 2015 (UTC)
			:The use of the name "Assassins" for the organisation before the 11th century is anachronistic, since we don't know what they called themselves beforehand. This is actually touched upon [[Database: The Assassin Brotherhood\|in ''Syndicate'']]. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 16:38, November 2, 2015 (UTC)

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	== Big question to the name of Assassin Order ==		== Big question to the name of Assassin Order ==

	The English word assassin derived from Arabic word Hashshashin or hashish,meaning a kind of herb(?),which makes the Assassin Order and its members can not be called "Assassin" in form or semantics.Furthermore,"Assassins" operating before the medieval age,like the Roman and Chinese members cannot be called that.I see that the ancient Roman Order was operated in the name of "Circle of Liberals",but how the designers name the game if it is set in such a period?		The English word assassin derived from Arabic word Hashshashin or hashish,meaning a kind of herb(?),which makes the Assassin Order and its members can not be called "Assassin" in form or semantics.Furthermore,"Assassins" operating before the medieval age,like the Roman and Chinese members,cannot be called that.I see that the ancient Roman Order was operated in the name of "Circle of Liberals",but how the designers name the game if it is set in such a period?[[User:Sleeplust\|Sleeplust]] ([[User talk:Sleeplust\|talk]]) 15:41, November 2, 2015 (UTC)

imported>Sleeplust: /* Big question to the name of Assassin Order */ new section

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Big question to the name of Assassin Order: new section

Páàjì titun

== Big question to the name of Assassin Order ==

The English word assassin derived from Arabic word Hashshashin or hashish,meaning a kind of herb(?),which makes the Assassin Order and its members can not be called "Assassin" in form or semantics.Furthermore,"Assassins" operating before the medieval age,like the Roman and Chinese members cannot be called that.I see that the ancient Roman Order was operated in the name of "Circle of Liberals",but how the designers name the game if it is set in such a period?

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	::Yeah we do t want another Ishak Pasha scenario so while not the best sources but Arabic wiki says 1037 while Farsi goes with c. 1050 which what Farhad Daftary postulates. Alamut wasn’t captured until 1090 but it can be assumed that the founding of the Assassin could be a little prior to that. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:19, April 11, 2020 (UTC)		::Yeah we do t want another Ishak Pasha scenario so while not the best sources but Arabic wiki says 1037 while Farsi goes with c. 1050 which what Farhad Daftary postulates. Alamut wasn’t captured until 1090 but it can be assumed that the founding of the Assassin could be a little prior to that. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:19, April 11, 2020 (UTC)
	:::I think I'll just remove the birth date now to be safe until we have time to verify with all sources? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:45, April 11, 2020 (UTC)		:::I think I'll just remove the birth date now to be safe until we have time to verify with all sources? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:45, April 11, 2020 (UTC)
			::::We also need to check the founding date for the Levantine Assassins in the sources. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 23:26, April 11, 2020 (UTC)

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	:So after looking through the [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Hassan-i_Sabb%C4%81h?diff=prev&oldid=693126 old history], it seems like Piero likely changed the date of birth based on the Italian Wikipedia's [https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%B8%A4asan-i_%E1%B9%A2abb%C4%81%E1%B8%A5 version] of the article. I think we should correct it, but we should also verify the dates by checking through academic sources and ''Assassin's Creed'' sources. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:06, April 11, 2020 (UTC)		:So after looking through the [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Hassan-i_Sabb%C4%81h?diff=prev&oldid=693126 old history], it seems like Piero likely changed the date of birth based on the Italian Wikipedia's [https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%B8%A4asan-i_%E1%B9%A2abb%C4%81%E1%B8%A5 version] of the article. I think we should correct it, but we should also verify the dates by checking through academic sources and ''Assassin's Creed'' sources. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:06, April 11, 2020 (UTC)
	::Yeah we do t want another Ishak Pasha scenario so while not the best sources but Arabic wiki says 1037 while Farsi goes with c. 1050 which what Farhad Daftary postulates. Alamut wasn’t captured until 1090 but it can be assumed that the founding of the Assassin could be a little prior to that. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:19, April 11, 2020 (UTC)		::Yeah we do t want another Ishak Pasha scenario so while not the best sources but Arabic wiki says 1037 while Farsi goes with c. 1050 which what Farhad Daftary postulates. Alamut wasn’t captured until 1090 but it can be assumed that the founding of the Assassin could be a little prior to that. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:19, April 11, 2020 (UTC)
			:::I think I'll just remove the birth date now to be safe until we have time to verify with all sources? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:45, April 11, 2020 (UTC)

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	What exactly is the source for that date? Historically he isn’t believed to have been born until around 1050 which is when we have him creating the Assassins. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:39, April 11, 2020 (UTC)		What exactly is the source for that date? Historically he isn’t believed to have been born until around 1050 which is when we have him creating the Assassins. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 21:39, April 11, 2020 (UTC)
	:So after looking through the [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Hassan-i_Sabb%C4%81h?diff=prev&oldid=693126 old history], it seems like Piero likely changed the date of birth based on the Italian Wikipedia's [https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%B8%A4asan-i_%E1%B9%A2abb%C4%81%E1%B8%A5 version] of the article. I think we should correct it, but we should also verify the dates by checking through academic sources and ''Assassin's Creed'' sources. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:06, April 11, 2020 (UTC)		:So after looking through the [https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Hassan-i_Sabb%C4%81h?diff=prev&oldid=693126 old history], it seems like Piero likely changed the date of birth based on the Italian Wikipedia's [https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%B8%A4asan-i_%E1%B9%A2abb%C4%81%E1%B8%A5 version] of the article. I think we should correct it, but we should also verify the dates by checking through academic sources and ''Assassin's Creed'' sources. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 22:06, April 11, 2020 (UTC)
			::Yeah we do t want another Ishak Pasha scenario so while not the best sources but Arabic wiki says 1037 while Farsi goes with c. 1050 which what Farhad Daftary postulates. Alamut wasn’t captured until 1090 but it can be assumed that the founding of the Assassin could be a little prior to that. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:19, April 11, 2020 (UTC)