Talk:Harpe of Perseus - Revision history

Soranin: Text replacement - "siniath" to "siniath"

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	We definitely should make this page the ''Origins'' weapon instead of a pseudo disambiguation page. Itt's not a weapons category or a particular known weapon. We should definitely keep "Perseus' Sword of Eden". It was implied he had one in ''ACII'' and things from Glyphs tend to come back.  —[[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 04:34, May 8, 2020 (UTC)		We definitely should make this page the ''Origins'' weapon instead of a pseudo disambiguation page. Itt's not a weapons category or a particular known weapon. We should definitely keep "Perseus' Sword of Eden". It was implied he had one in ''ACII'' and things from Glyphs tend to come back.  —[[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 04:34, May 8, 2020 (UTC)
	:Voicing my support of deleting this page. 'Harpe of Perseus' as a generalized term sounds... weird, at best, and that's how this page's described on the [[Harpe of Perseus\|disambiguation page]]. So, summarized: Keep HoP (Odyssey), keep HoP (Origins), keep Hop (disambig), keep Perseus's Sword of Eden. Delete this. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:22, May 31, 2020 (UTC)		:Voicing my support of deleting this page. 'Harpe of Perseus' as a generalized term sounds... weird, at best, and that's how this page's described on the [[Harpe of Perseus\|disambiguation page]]. So, summarized: Keep HoP (Odyssey), keep HoP (Origins), keep Hop (disambig), keep Perseus's Sword of Eden. Delete this. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:22, May 31, 2020 (UTC)

imported>Darman36 at 06:00, 16 December 2024

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	==Not the sword used by Perseus==		==Not the sword used by Perseus==
	It's already been established that Perseus used a Sword of Eden, of which this sword is assuredly not. [[User:Ghost Leader\|Ghost Leader]] ([[User talk:Ghost Leader\|talk]]) 05:52, March 20, 2018 (UTC)		It's already been established that Perseus used a Sword of Eden, of which this sword is assuredly not. [[User:Ghost Leader\|Ghost Leader]] ([[User talk:Ghost Leader\|talk]]) 05:52, March 20, 2018 (UTC)
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	We definitely should make this page the ''Origins'' weapon instead of a pseudo disambiguation page. Itt's not a weapons category or a particular known weapon. We should definitely keep "Perseus' Sword of Eden". It was implied he had one in ''ACII'' and things from Glyphs tend to come back.  —[[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 04:34, May 8, 2020 (UTC)		We definitely should make this page the ''Origins'' weapon instead of a pseudo disambiguation page. Itt's not a weapons category or a particular known weapon. We should definitely keep "Perseus' Sword of Eden". It was implied he had one in ''ACII'' and things from Glyphs tend to come back.  —[[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 04:34, May 8, 2020 (UTC)
	:Voicing my support of deleting this page. 'Harpe of Perseus' as a generalized term sounds... weird, at best, and that's how this page's described on the [[Harpe of Perseus ~~(disambiguation)~~\|disambiguation page]]. So, summarized: Keep HoP (Odyssey), keep HoP (Origins), keep Hop (disambig), keep Perseus's Sword of Eden. Delete this. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:22, May 31, 2020 (UTC)		:Voicing my support of deleting this page. 'Harpe of Perseus' as a generalized term sounds... weird, at best, and that's how this page's described on the [[Harpe of Perseus\|disambiguation page]]. So, summarized: Keep HoP (Odyssey), keep HoP (Origins), keep Hop (disambig), keep Perseus's Sword of Eden. Delete this. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:22, May 31, 2020 (UTC)

imported>Soranin at 13:40, 8 February 2022

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	==Not the sword used by Perseus==		==Not the sword used by Perseus==
	It's already been established that Perseus used a Sword of Eden, of which this sword is assuredly not. [[User:Ghost Leader\|Ghost Leader]] ([[User talk:Ghost Leader\|talk]]) 05:52, March 20, 2018 (UTC)		It's already been established that Perseus used a Sword of Eden, of which this sword is assuredly not. [[User:Ghost Leader\|Ghost Leader]] ([[User talk:Ghost Leader\|talk]]) 05:52, March 20, 2018 (UTC)
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	We definitely should make this page the ''Origins'' weapon instead of a pseudo disambiguation page. Itt's not a weapons category or a particular known weapon. We should definitely keep "Perseus' Sword of Eden". It was implied he had one in ''ACII'' and things from Glyphs tend to come back.  —[[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 04:34, May 8, 2020 (UTC)		We definitely should make this page the ''Origins'' weapon instead of a pseudo disambiguation page. Itt's not a weapons category or a particular known weapon. We should definitely keep "Perseus' Sword of Eden". It was implied he had one in ''ACII'' and things from Glyphs tend to come back.  —[[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 04:34, May 8, 2020 (UTC)
	:Voicing my support of deleting this page. 'Harpe of Perseus' as a generalized term sounds... weird, at best, and that's how this page's described on the [[Harpe of Perseus (disambiguation)\|disambiguation page]]. So, summarized: Keep HoP (Odyssey), keep HoP (Origins), keep Hop (disambig), keep Perseus's Sword of Eden. Delete this. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:22, May 31, 2020 (UTC)		:Voicing my support of deleting this page. 'Harpe of Perseus' as a generalized term sounds... weird, at best, and that's how this page's described on the [[Harpe of Perseus (disambiguation)\|disambiguation page]]. So, summarized: Keep HoP (Odyssey), keep HoP (Origins), keep Hop (disambig), keep Perseus's Sword of Eden. Delete this. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:22, May 31, 2020 (UTC)

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imported>Sol Pacificus: Definitely needs to be archived

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Definitely needs to be archived

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	==Not the sword used by Perseus==		==Not the sword used by Perseus==
	It's already been established that Perseus used a Sword of Eden, of which this sword is assuredly not. [[User:Ghost Leader\|Ghost Leader]] ([[User talk:Ghost Leader\|talk]]) 05:52, March 20, 2018 (UTC)		It's already been established that Perseus used a Sword of Eden, of which this sword is assuredly not. [[User:Ghost Leader\|Ghost Leader]] ([[User talk:Ghost Leader\|talk]]) 05:52, March 20, 2018 (UTC)
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	We definitely should make this page the ''Origins'' weapon instead of a pseudo disambiguation page. Itt's not a weapons category or a particular known weapon. We should definitely keep "Perseus' Sword of Eden". It was implied he had one in ''ACII'' and things from Glyphs tend to come back.  —[[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 04:34, May 8, 2020 (UTC)		We definitely should make this page the ''Origins'' weapon instead of a pseudo disambiguation page. Itt's not a weapons category or a particular known weapon. We should definitely keep "Perseus' Sword of Eden". It was implied he had one in ''ACII'' and things from Glyphs tend to come back.  —[[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 04:34, May 8, 2020 (UTC)
	:Voicing my support of deleting this page. 'Harpe of Perseus' as a generalized term sounds... weird, at best, and that's how this page's described on the [[Harpe of Perseus (disambiguation)\|disambiguation page]]. So, summarized: Keep HoP (Odyssey), keep HoP (Origins), keep Hop (disambig), keep Perseus's Sword of Eden. Delete this. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:22, May 31, 2020 (UTC)		:Voicing my support of deleting this page. 'Harpe of Perseus' as a generalized term sounds... weird, at best, and that's how this page's described on the [[Harpe of Perseus (disambiguation)\|disambiguation page]]. So, summarized: Keep HoP (Odyssey), keep HoP (Origins), keep Hop (disambig), keep Perseus's Sword of Eden. Delete this. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:22, May 31, 2020 (UTC)

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imported>Soranin at 12:56, 1 April 2021

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imported>Sadelyrate: /* Propose delete */

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	We definitely should make this page the ''Origins'' weapon instead of a pseudo disambiguation page. Itt's not a weapons category or a particular known weapon. We should definitely keep "Perseus' Sword of Eden". It was implied he had one in ''ACII'' and things from Glyphs tend to come back.  —[[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 04:34, May 8, 2020 (UTC)		We definitely should make this page the ''Origins'' weapon instead of a pseudo disambiguation page. Itt's not a weapons category or a particular known weapon. We should definitely keep "Perseus' Sword of Eden". It was implied he had one in ''ACII'' and things from Glyphs tend to come back.  —[[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 04:34, May 8, 2020 (UTC)
			:Voicing my support of deleting this page. 'Harpe of Perseus' as a generalized term sounds... weird, at best, and that's how this page's described on the [[Harpe of Perseus (disambiguation)\|disambiguation page]]. So, summarized: Keep HoP (Odyssey), keep HoP (Origins), keep Hop (disambig), keep Perseus's Sword of Eden. Delete this. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:22, May 31, 2020 (UTC)

imported>Zero-ELEC: /* Propose delete */ left coment

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	:::My points were already accurately transcribed so I don’t really have anything left to say here. I will not that we don’t need a general Harpe weapon type because like so many other misnamed weapons in the game Odyssey's Harpe is not actually a harpe which I added to this pages trivia a while back. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:02, May 7, 2020 (UTC)		:::My points were already accurately transcribed so I don’t really have anything left to say here. I will not that we don’t need a general Harpe weapon type because like so many other misnamed weapons in the game Odyssey's Harpe is not actually a harpe which I added to this pages trivia a while back. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:02, May 7, 2020 (UTC)

			We definitely should make this page the ''Origins'' weapon instead of a pseudo disambiguation page. Itt's not a weapons category or a particular known weapon. We should definitely keep "Perseus' Sword of Eden". It was implied he had one in ''ACII'' and things from Glyphs tend to come back.  —[[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 04:34, May 8, 2020 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Propose delete */

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	:: I'm good with whatever you guys decide. Although Sol brings a good point about this page having the history of edits. Gun to my head, keep this and delete the one I made. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 20:49, May 7, 2020 (UTC)		:: I'm good with whatever you guys decide. Although Sol brings a good point about this page having the history of edits. Gun to my head, keep this and delete the one I made. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 20:49, May 7, 2020 (UTC)

			:::My points were already accurately transcribed so I don’t really have anything left to say here. I will not that we don’t need a general Harpe weapon type because like so many other misnamed weapons in the game Odyssey's Harpe is not actually a harpe which I added to this pages trivia a while back. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:02, May 7, 2020 (UTC)

imported>Soranin: /* Propose delete */

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	*Keep the page on the ''Odyssey'' harpe separate.		*Keep the page on the ''Odyssey'' harpe separate.
	*I am neutral on whether or not we should keep "Perseus' Sword of Eden". I was leaning towards having it deleted, but now I am starting to lean towards keeping it. I don't think the argument that we don't have pages on every Sword of Eden is a strong one because based on policy, nothing is stopping us from doing so if we wish. At the same time, I also don't see a strong need to have a specific page for Perseus' Sword of Eden except for Lacrosse's point that it could be useful to document due to the questions over its identity. I think he might be right that it could be beneficial although I don't know how much it is needed. Yet Sima also pointed out that we don't know if Perseus' Sword of Eden might actually be Sword of Eden 1 or Sword of Eden 2, which is also true. And yet again, I don't know if uncertainty over a subject being the same as another subject should preclude a separate page being made for it for the time being. All interesting points and counter-points. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:39, May 7, 2020 (UTC)		*I am neutral on whether or not we should keep "Perseus' Sword of Eden". I was leaning towards having it deleted, but now I am starting to lean towards keeping it. I don't think the argument that we don't have pages on every Sword of Eden is a strong one because based on policy, nothing is stopping us from doing so if we wish. At the same time, I also don't see a strong need to have a specific page for Perseus' Sword of Eden except for Lacrosse's point that it could be useful to document due to the questions over its identity. I think he might be right that it could be beneficial although I don't know how much it is needed. Yet Sima also pointed out that we don't know if Perseus' Sword of Eden might actually be Sword of Eden 1 or Sword of Eden 2, which is also true. And yet again, I don't know if uncertainty over a subject being the same as another subject should preclude a separate page being made for it for the time being. All interesting points and counter-points. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:39, May 7, 2020 (UTC)



			:: I'm good with whatever you guys decide. Although Sol brings a good point about this page having the history of edits. Gun to my head, keep this and delete the one I made. - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 20:49, May 7, 2020 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Propose delete */

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	First, the extensive debate on Discord is really the kind of discussion that should have occurred on this actual talk page instead so that those who don't frequent Discord can easily refer to it, and it would be left here for the records. I also couldn't really understand the issues discussed and the various proposals from just the excerpts given here, but I do appreciate the effort Soranin.		First, the extensive debate on Discord is really the kind of discussion that should have occurred on this actual talk page instead so that those who don't frequent Discord can easily refer to it, and it would be left here for the records. I also couldn't really understand the issues discussed and the various proposals from just the excerpts given here, but I do appreciate the effort Soranin.

	To summarize, we currently have four articles on the Harpe of Perseus:		To summarize, we currently have four articles on the Harpe of Perseus:
	#[[Perseus' Sword of Eden]], for the Sword of Eden mentioned in the [[glyphs]] as having been wielded by Perseus and which has never clearly appeared in ''Assassin's Creed'' elsewhere.		#[[Perseus' Sword of Eden]], for the Sword of Eden mentioned in the [[glyphs]] as having been wielded by Perseus and which has never clearly appeared in ''Assassin's Creed'' elsewhere.
	#[[Harpe of Perseus]], a general page for the type of weapon that is the Harpe of Perseus.		#[[Harpe of Perseus]], a general page for the type of weapon that is the Harpe of Perseus.
	#[[Harpe of Perseus (Origins)]], for the weapon marketed as the Harpe of Perseus that can be found in ''Origins''		#[[Harpe of Perseus (Origins)]], for the weapon marketed as the Harpe of Perseus that can be found in ''Origins''
	#[[Harpe of Perseus (Odyssey)]], for the weapon acquired in ''Odyssey'' after killing the Writhing Dread.		#[[Harpe of Perseus (Odyssey)]], for the weapon acquired in ''Odyssey'' after killing the Writhing Dread.
	We all agree that the weapons in ''Origins'' and ''Odyssey'' are clearly different, but Sima initially proposed that Perseus' Sword of Eden be merged with the harpe from ''Odyssey'' because the latter exhibits the glow of Pieces of Eden and also artist depictions of the harpe may not be accurate. Soranin countered that we not only cannot know they are one and the same, but that he thought they were definitely meant to be different. Lacrosse pointed out that technically, the glyph only shows Perseus killing Keto with the Sword of Eden, an event in the myths which occurred after his killing of Medusa, and therefore his Sword of Eden could have been the [[Cursed Gorgoneion]]. Both are perplexed how the harpe could have remained with the Writhing Dread still if Perseus was supposed to have slayed Medusa with it.		We all agree that the weapons in ''Origins'' and ''Odyssey'' are clearly different, but Sima initially proposed that Perseus' Sword of Eden be merged with the harpe from ''Odyssey'' because the latter exhibits the glow of Pieces of Eden and also artist depictions of the harpe may not be accurate. Soranin countered that we not only cannot know they are one and the same, but that he thought they were definitely meant to be different. Lacrosse pointed out that technically, the glyph only shows Perseus killing Keto with the Sword of Eden, an event in the myths which occurred after his killing of Medusa, and therefore his Sword of Eden could have been the [[Cursed Gorgoneion]]. Both are perplexed how the harpe could have remained with the Writhing Dread still if Perseus was supposed to have slayed Medusa with it.

	*The final proposal by Sima is to keep one article for the weapon in ''Origins'', one for the weapon in ''Odyssey'', and to delete the article on Perseus' Sword of Eden since we do not have articles on every Sword of Eden.		*The final proposal by Sima is to keep one article for the weapon in ''Origins'', one for the weapon in ''Odyssey'', and to delete the article on Perseus' Sword of Eden since we do not have articles on every Sword of Eden.
	*Joranin suggested merging the one from ''Odyssey'' into this page, which covers both weapons. Upon Lacrosse's and Sima's counter-suggestions, he decided instead to create the new page on the weapon from ''Origins'' and put this page which covers both weapons up for deletion.		*Joranin suggested merging the one from ''Odyssey'' into this page, which covers both weapons. Upon Lacrosse's and Sima's counter-suggestions, he decided instead to create the new page on the weapon from ''Origins'' and put this page which covers both weapons up for deletion.
	*Lacrosse's proposal is instead to keep the article on Perseus' Sword of Eden because he finds that having such a page to explain the uncertainty around its identity is useful. He also suggested that this page be rewritten as only covering the weapon from ''Origins''.		*Lacrosse's proposal is instead to keep the article on Perseus' Sword of Eden because he finds that having such a page to explain the uncertainty around its identity is useful. He also suggested that this page be rewritten as only covering the weapon from ''Origins''.

	Here is my perspective. It appears that what has happened is that Odeyssus modified the original article on the weapon from ''Origins'', i.e. this page, to being a general page on Harpes of Perseus. This is according to our policy to also have articles on general types of weapons rather than a specific model. We decided upon this years back when reorganizing weapons pages, and it matters in cases where we have a weapon with a generic name like "Mace" for example. There is a particular weapon only named "Mace" in ''Origins'' and ~~[[Mace (Unity)\|~~another particular weapon]] given that same basic name in ''Unity'' which to this day we have not created a page for... For the sake of organization, we have an article on [[mace]]s in general—as in the actual type of weapon called mace which we have dozens upon dozens of examples for—while maintaining separate pages for the [[Mace (Origins)\|Mace in ''Origins'']] and the [[Mace (Unity)\|Mace in ''Unity'']], putting these two articles on the same tier of organization as other pages on specific weapons. This might sound complicated, but it was the best way we found to resolve this matter because otherwise you'd have a weapon in every game which randomly disappears into an article on the weapon type or is merged with a different weapon from a different game just because they share the same name.		Here is my perspective. It appears that what has happened is that Odeyssus modified the original article on the weapon from ''Origins'', i.e. this page, to being a general page on Harpes of Perseus. This is according to our policy to also have articles on general types of weapons rather than a specific model. We decided upon this years back when reorganizing weapons pages, and it matters in cases where we have a weapon with a generic name like "Mace" for example. There is a particular weapon only named "Mace" in ''Origins'' and another particular weapon given that same basic name in ''Unity'' which to this day we have not created a page for... For the sake of organization, we have an article on [[mace]]s in general—as in the actual type of weapon called mace which we have dozens upon dozens of examples for—while maintaining separate pages for the [[Mace (Origins)\|Mace in ''Origins'']] and the [[Mace (Unity)\|Mace in ''Unity'']], putting these two articles on the same tier of organization as other pages on specific weapons. This might sound complicated, but it was the best way we found to resolve this matter because otherwise you'd have a weapon in every game which randomly disappears into an article on the weapon type or is merged with a different weapon from a different game just because they share the same name.

	It looks like going off of this policy, Odey changed this page to be about Harpes of Perseus in general whereas he had intended there to be individual pages for the specific Harpe of Perseus in ''Origins'' and ''Odyssey'' (but didn't get around to creating a new page for the former). I think this is actually a mistake, but I don't blame Odey for it. The Harpe of Perseus, unlike [[mace]], [[smallsword]], [[battleaxe]], etc. is not actually a type of weapon. There should only be a general page like that if it is a type of weapon, and there are many examples of it in the games. Instead, we just have two different swords which happen to share the same name, so a disambiguation page would suffice. To drive home this point, we could hypothetically have a page on [[harpe]]s in general if we have many examples of different harpes since that is type of sword, but not a page on different Harpes of Perseus.		It looks like going off of this policy, Odey changed this page to be about Harpes of Perseus in general whereas he had intended there to be individual pages for the specific Harpe of Perseus in ''Origins'' and ''Odyssey'' (but didn't get around to creating a new page for the former). I think this is actually a mistake, but I don't blame Odey for it. The Harpe of Perseus, unlike [[mace]], [[smallsword]], [[battleaxe]], etc. is not actually a type of weapon. There should only be a general page like that if it is a type of weapon, and there are many examples of it in the games. Instead, we just have two different swords which happen to share the same name, so a disambiguation page would suffice. To drive home this point, we could hypothetically have a page on [[harpe]]s in general if we have many examples of different harpes since that is type of sword, but not a page on different Harpes of Perseus.

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	To summarize, we currently have four articles on the Harpe of Perseus:		To summarize, we currently have four articles on the Harpe of Perseus:
	#[[Perseus' Sword of Eden]], for the Sword of Eden mentioned in the [[glyphs]] as having been wielded by Perseus and which has never clearly appeared in ''Assassin's Creed'' elsewhere.		#[[Perseus' Sword of Eden]], for the Sword of Eden mentioned in the [[glyphs]] as having been wielded by Perseus and which has never clearly appeared in ''Assassin's Creed'' elsewhere.
	#[[Harpe of Perseus]], a general page for the type of weapon that is the Harpe of Perseus.		#Harpe of Perseus, a general page for the type of weapon that is the Harpe of Perseus.
	#[[Harpe of Perseus (Origins)]], for the weapon marketed as the Harpe of Perseus that can be found in ''Origins''		#[[Harpe of Perseus (Origins)]], for the weapon marketed as the Harpe of Perseus that can be found in ''Origins''
	#[[Harpe of Perseus (Odyssey)]], for the weapon acquired in ''Odyssey'' after killing the Writhing Dread.		#[[Harpe of Perseus (Odyssey)]], for the weapon acquired in ''Odyssey'' after killing the Writhing Dread.
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	Here is my perspective. It appears that what has happened is that Odeyssus modified the original article on the weapon from ''Origins'', i.e. this page, to being a general page on Harpes of Perseus. This is according to our policy to also have articles on general types of weapons rather than a specific model. We decided upon this years back when reorganizing weapons pages, and it matters in cases where we have a weapon with a generic name like "Mace" for example. There is a particular weapon only named "Mace" in ''Origins'' and another particular weapon given that same basic name in ''Unity'' which to this day we have not created a page for... For the sake of organization, we have an article on [[mace]]s in general—as in the actual type of weapon called mace which we have dozens upon dozens of examples for—while maintaining separate pages for the [[Mace (Origins)\|Mace in ''Origins'']] and the [[Mace (Unity)\|Mace in ''Unity'']], putting these two articles on the same tier of organization as other pages on specific weapons. This might sound complicated, but it was the best way we found to resolve this matter because otherwise you'd have a weapon in every game which randomly disappears into an article on the weapon type or is merged with a different weapon from a different game just because they share the same name.		Here is my perspective. It appears that what has happened is that Odeyssus modified the original article on the weapon from ''Origins'', i.e. this page, to being a general page on Harpes of Perseus. This is according to our policy to also have articles on general types of weapons rather than a specific model. We decided upon this years back when reorganizing weapons pages, and it matters in cases where we have a weapon with a generic name like "Mace" for example. There is a particular weapon only named "Mace" in ''Origins'' and another particular weapon given that same basic name in ''Unity'' which to this day we have not created a page for... For the sake of organization, we have an article on [[mace]]s in general—as in the actual type of weapon called mace which we have dozens upon dozens of examples for—while maintaining separate pages for the [[Mace (Origins)\|Mace in ''Origins'']] and the [[Mace (Unity)\|Mace in ''Unity'']], putting these two articles on the same tier of organization as other pages on specific weapons. This might sound complicated, but it was the best way we found to resolve this matter because otherwise you'd have a weapon in every game which randomly disappears into an article on the weapon type or is merged with a different weapon from a different game just because they share the same name.

	It looks like going off of this policy, Odey changed this page to be about Harpes of Perseus in general whereas he had intended there to be individual pages for the specific Harpe of Perseus in ''Origins'' and ''Odyssey'' (but didn't get around to creating a new page for the former). I think this is actually a mistake, but I don't blame Odey for it. The Harpe of Perseus, unlike [[mace]], [[smallsword]], [[battleaxe]], etc. is not actually a type of weapon. There should only be a general page like that if it is a type of weapon, and there are many examples of it in the games. Instead, we just have two different swords which happen to share the same name, so a disambiguation page would suffice. To drive home this point, we could hypothetically have a page on [[harpe]]s in general if we have many examples of different harpes since that is type of sword, but not a page on different Harpes of Perseus.		It looks like going off of this policy, Odey changed this page to be about Harpes of Perseus in general whereas he had intended there to be individual pages for the specific Harpe of Perseus in ''Origins'' and ''Odyssey'' (but didn't get around to creating a new page for the former). I think this is actually a mistake, but I don't blame Odey for it. The Harpe of Perseus, unlike [[mace]], [[smallsword]], [[battleaxe]], etc. is not actually a type of weapon. There should only be a general page like that if it is a type of weapon, and there are many examples of it in the games. Instead, we just have two different swords which happen to share the same name, so a disambiguation page would suffice. To drive home this point, we could hypothetically have a page on ''harpe''s in general if we have many examples of different harpes since that is type of sword, but not a page on different Harpes of Perseus.

	I know you guys might think that this extensive explanation might be exhausting not necessary, but I think it is important for future reference for you guys to understand the underlying reason there ended up being so many pages on the Harpe of Perseus.		I know you guys might think that this extensive explanation might be exhausting not necessary, but I think it is important for future reference for you guys to understand the underlying reason there ended up being so many pages on the Harpe of Perseus.