Talk:Great Purge (1757-1763) - Revision history

https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AGreat_Purge_%281757-1763%29 Talk:Great Purge (1757-1763) - Revision history 2026-06-19T22:57:57Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.42.3 https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Great_Purge_(1757-1763)&diff=589964&oldid=prev imported>Lacrossedeamon at 01:43, 7 June 2024 2024-06-07T01:43:01Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 03:43, 7 June 2024</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>{{Talkheader}}</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>{{Talkheader}}</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==Rogue==</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So, are we to assume that this is the culmination (or final push, as it were) of what Shay started in ''Rogue''? First Shay picks off the key Assassin figures, and then Haytham leads an all-out assault on the Homestead? --{{User:The Crimson Eagle/sig}} 21:24, December 3, 2014 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So, are we to assume that this is the culmination (or final push, as it were) of what Shay started in ''Rogue''? First Shay picks off the key Assassin figures, and then Haytham leads an all-out assault on the Homestead? --{{User:The Crimson Eagle/sig}} 21:24, December 3, 2014 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Not that I've played ''Rogue'' yet (not allowed to buy it; something about a Christmas present), but that was the impression I got right from the promotional get-go. Yes, Shay's action started (or perhaps could be considered a part of) this Purge. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 19:36, December 4, 2014 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Not that I've played ''Rogue'' yet (not allowed to buy it; something about a Christmas present), but that was the impression I got right from the promotional get-go. Yes, Shay's action started (or perhaps could be considered a part of) this Purge. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 19:36, December 4, 2014 (UTC)</div></td></tr> </table>

imported>Lacrossedeamon https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Great_Purge_(1757-1763)&diff=589963&oldid=prev imported>ACsenior: ACsenior moved page Talk:Colonial Brotherhood purge to Talk:Great Purge (1757-1763): AC: Infographics 2020-05-25T08:11:19Z

<p>ACsenior moved page <a href="/wiki/Talk:Colonial_Brotherhood_purge" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Colonial Brotherhood purge">Talk:Colonial Brotherhood purge</a> to <a href="/wiki/Talk:Great_Purge_(1757-1763)" title="Talk:Great Purge (1757-1763)">Talk:Great Purge (1757-1763)</a>: AC: Infographics</p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="1" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="1" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 10:11, 25 May 2020</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-notice" lang="en-GB"><div class="mw-diff-empty">(No difference)</div> </td></tr></table>

imported>ACsenior https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Great_Purge_(1757-1763)&diff=589962&oldid=prev imported>RebeccaAWB: /* top */Adding {{Talkheader}} 2019-07-02T14:02:21Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">top: </span>Adding {{Talkheader}}</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 16:02, 2 July 2019</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{Talkheader}}</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So, are we to assume that this is the culmination (or final push, as it were) of what Shay started in ''Rogue''? First Shay picks off the key Assassin figures, and then Haytham leads an all-out assault on the Homestead? --{{User:The Crimson Eagle/sig}} 21:24, December 3, 2014 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So, are we to assume that this is the culmination (or final push, as it were) of what Shay started in ''Rogue''? First Shay picks off the key Assassin figures, and then Haytham leads an all-out assault on the Homestead? --{{User:The Crimson Eagle/sig}} 21:24, December 3, 2014 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Not that I've played ''Rogue'' yet (not allowed to buy it; something about a Christmas present), but that was the impression I got right from the promotional get-go. Yes, Shay's action started (or perhaps could be considered a part of) this Purge. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 19:36, December 4, 2014 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Not that I've played ''Rogue'' yet (not allowed to buy it; something about a Christmas present), but that was the impression I got right from the promotional get-go. Yes, Shay's action started (or perhaps could be considered a part of) this Purge. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 19:36, December 4, 2014 (UTC)</div></td></tr> </table>

imported>RebeccaAWB https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Great_Purge_(1757-1763)&diff=589961&oldid=prev imported>Sol Pacificus: Sol Pacificus moved page Talk:Colonial Assassin purge to Talk:Colonial Brotherhood purge: Per talk page 2017-07-08T13:02:51Z

<p>Sol Pacificus moved page <a href="/wiki/Talk:Colonial_Assassin_purge" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Colonial Assassin purge">Talk:Colonial Assassin purge</a> to <a href="/wiki/Talk:Colonial_Brotherhood_purge" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Colonial Brotherhood purge">Talk:Colonial Brotherhood purge</a>: Per talk page</p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="1" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="1" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:02, 8 July 2017</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-notice" lang="en-GB"><div class="mw-diff-empty">(No difference)</div> </td></tr></table>

imported>Sol Pacificus https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Great_Purge_(1757-1763)&diff=589960&oldid=prev imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Move */ 2017-07-06T16:32:38Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Move</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 18:32, 6 July 2017</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l21">Line 21:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 21:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::The same logic applies - with regards to pluralising the word - when using the name "brotherhood", though on re-reading your post I can see I misread your inital point. You could use either "Colonial Assassin purge", or "Colonial Brotherhood purge", but not "Colonial Assassins." Likewise, you could use "Purge of the Colonial Assassin'''s'''/Brotherhood," but that's quite wordy and not in keeping with convention. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 13:38, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::The same logic applies - with regards to pluralising the word - when using the name "brotherhood", though on re-reading your post I can see I misread your inital point. You could use either "Colonial Assassin purge", or "Colonial Brotherhood purge", but not "Colonial Assassins." Likewise, you could use "Purge of the Colonial Assassin'''s'''/Brotherhood," but that's quite wordy and not in keeping with convention. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 13:38, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:That makes a bit more sense. I think then my disagreement stems from the fact that sources treat the plural format "Colonial Assassins" (and also Egyptian Assassins, Chinese Assassins, etc.) as appropriate shorthand names for "Colonial Brotherhood" (Egyptian Brotherhood, Chinese Brotherhood, etc.), however the singular form such as "Colonial Assassin" is never used as an appropriate alternative name, though your examples do have some logic about it. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:15, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:That makes a bit more sense. I think then my disagreement stems from the fact that sources treat the plural format "Colonial Assassins" (and also Egyptian Assassins, Chinese Assassins, etc.) as appropriate shorthand names for "Colonial Brotherhood" (Egyptian Brotherhood, Chinese Brotherhood, etc.), however the singular form such as "Colonial Assassin" is never used as an appropriate alternative name, though your examples do have some logic about it. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:15, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:If you agree that there is no issue with "Colonial Brotherhood purge" then I propose we move it to that then since I still think "Colonial Assassin purge" can be a little be contentious, and we might as well use the official name of the organization right? [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 16:32, July 6, 2017 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

imported>Sol Pacificus https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Great_Purge_(1757-1763)&diff=589959&oldid=prev imported>Sol Pacificus at 14:15, 28 June 2017 2017-06-28T14:15:04Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 16:15, 28 June 2017</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l20">Line 20:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 20:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::*{{Wiki|1932 Salvadoran peasant massacre}}, not "peasants"</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::*{{Wiki|1932 Salvadoran peasant massacre}}, not "peasants"</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::The same logic applies - with regards to pluralising the word - when using the name "brotherhood", though on re-reading your post I can see I misread your inital point. You could use either "Colonial Assassin purge", or "Colonial Brotherhood purge", but not "Colonial Assassins." Likewise, you could use "Purge of the Colonial Assassin'''s'''/Brotherhood," but that's quite wordy and not in keeping with convention. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 13:38, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::The same logic applies - with regards to pluralising the word - when using the name "brotherhood", though on re-reading your post I can see I misread your inital point. You could use either "Colonial Assassin purge", or "Colonial Brotherhood purge", but not "Colonial Assassins." Likewise, you could use "Purge of the Colonial Assassin'''s'''/Brotherhood," but that's quite wordy and not in keeping with convention. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 13:38, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:That makes a bit more sense. I think then my disagreement stems from the fact that sources treat the plural format "Colonial Assassins" (and also Egyptian Assassins, Chinese Assassins, etc.) as appropriate shorthand names for "Colonial Brotherhood" (Egyptian Brotherhood, Chinese Brotherhood, etc.), however the singular form such as "Colonial Assassin" is never used as an appropriate alternative name, though your examples do have some logic about it. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:15, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

imported>Sol Pacificus https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Great_Purge_(1757-1763)&diff=589958&oldid=prev imported>Jasca Ducato: /* Move */ 2017-06-28T13:38:16Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Move</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:38, 28 June 2017</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l12">Line 12:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 12:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::And just thinking of another possibility since your meaning is a bit unclear, if somehow your meaning is that it's not multiple brotherhoods being eliminated but multiple members of a particular brotherhood being eliminated, then that is still incorrect. What "Colonial Brotherhood purge" actually would mean is that the members of ''this'' particular branch, the Colonial Brotherhood, were eliminated, not "multiple brotherhoods". I don't see if this is what you meant, how you can think "Brotherhood" would refer to a "purge of brotherhoods" or the elimination of multiple brotherhoods, when "Brotherhood" here is singular, and it is clearly distinguished by "Colonial". It can't possibly refer to other brotherhoods, such as the Ottoman Brotherhood or Chinese Brotherhood. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 11:54, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::And just thinking of another possibility since your meaning is a bit unclear, if somehow your meaning is that it's not multiple brotherhoods being eliminated but multiple members of a particular brotherhood being eliminated, then that is still incorrect. What "Colonial Brotherhood purge" actually would mean is that the members of ''this'' particular branch, the Colonial Brotherhood, were eliminated, not "multiple brotherhoods". I don't see if this is what you meant, how you can think "Brotherhood" would refer to a "purge of brotherhoods" or the elimination of multiple brotherhoods, when "Brotherhood" here is singular, and it is clearly distinguished by "Colonial". It can't possibly refer to other brotherhoods, such as the Ottoman Brotherhood or Chinese Brotherhood. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 11:54, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::If my response is a little confusing because I had trouble understanding what you meant at first and so responded based on three different interpretations, just focus on the first and last paragraphs because I think the last interpretation is what you meant by your second point. Also, just so we're on the same page, the official name of the guild founded by Achilles is the "Colonial Brotherhood". "Colonial Brotherhood" is the proper name of this specific branch, which is classified as an Assassin guild (not "brotherhood"). [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 12:15, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::If my response is a little confusing because I had trouble understanding what you meant at first and so responded based on three different interpretations, just focus on the first and last paragraphs because I think the last interpretation is what you meant by your second point. Also, just so we're on the same page, the official name of the guild founded by Achilles is the "Colonial Brotherhood". "Colonial Brotherhood" is the proper name of this specific branch, which is classified as an Assassin guild (not "brotherhood"). [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 12:15, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::''"I wholeheartedly disagree. "Colonial Assassin" is not a collective noun at all; if it were, it would be pluralized."'' The point is that they wouldn't be pluralised; if you're using the name of the purged party in the name of the event itself then pluralising it is essentially redundant (and also not keeping with naming convention). Take a look at these real world examples:</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::*{{Wiki|Ukranian Genocide}}, not "Ukranians Genocide"</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::*{{Wiki|Native American Genocide}}, not "Native Americans Genocide"</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::*{{Wiki|Assyrian Genocide}}, no "Assyrians"</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::*{{Wiki|1984 Sikh Massacre}}, not "Sikhs"</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::*{{Wiki|1804 Haiti massacre}}, not "Haitians"</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::*{{Wiki|1932 Salvadoran peasant massacre}}, not "peasants"</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::The same logic applies - with regards to pluralising the word - when using the name "brotherhood", though on re-reading your post I can see I misread your inital point. You could use either "Colonial Assassin purge", or "Colonial Brotherhood purge", but not "Colonial Assassins." Likewise, you could use "Purge of the Colonial Assassin'''s'''/Brotherhood," but that's quite wordy and not in keeping with convention. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 13:38, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

imported>Jasca Ducato https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Great_Purge_(1757-1763)&diff=589957&oldid=prev imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Move */ 2017-06-28T12:15:15Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Move</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 14:15, 28 June 2017</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l11">Line 11:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 11:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::If on the other hand—and I'm just thinking ahead—you distinguish "purge of particular members" vs. "purge of the brotherhood" itself based on intent, i.e. Shay hadn't intended to purge the brotherhood, just to purge specific members, then I would argue that if you define purge by intent, Shay doesn't seem to have planned ahead of time to assassinate each and every last Assassin. The story presents it as though he incidentally felt the need to kill one Assassin after another due to new developments, and so if you define purge by intent rather than result, it wouldn't be a purge at all.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::If on the other hand—and I'm just thinking ahead—you distinguish "purge of particular members" vs. "purge of the brotherhood" itself based on intent, i.e. Shay hadn't intended to purge the brotherhood, just to purge specific members, then I would argue that if you define purge by intent, Shay doesn't seem to have planned ahead of time to assassinate each and every last Assassin. The story presents it as though he incidentally felt the need to kill one Assassin after another due to new developments, and so if you define purge by intent rather than result, it wouldn't be a purge at all.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::And just thinking of another possibility since your meaning is a bit unclear, if somehow your meaning is that it's not multiple brotherhoods being eliminated but multiple members of a particular brotherhood being eliminated, then that is still incorrect. What "Colonial Brotherhood purge" actually would mean is that the members of ''this'' particular branch, the Colonial Brotherhood, were eliminated, not "multiple brotherhoods". I don't see if this is what you meant, how you can think "Brotherhood" would refer to a "purge of brotherhoods" or the elimination of multiple brotherhoods, when "Brotherhood" here is singular, and it is clearly distinguished by "Colonial". It can't possibly refer to other brotherhoods, such as the Ottoman Brotherhood or Chinese Brotherhood. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 11:54, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::And just thinking of another possibility since your meaning is a bit unclear, if somehow your meaning is that it's not multiple brotherhoods being eliminated but multiple members of a particular brotherhood being eliminated, then that is still incorrect. What "Colonial Brotherhood purge" actually would mean is that the members of ''this'' particular branch, the Colonial Brotherhood, were eliminated, not "multiple brotherhoods". I don't see if this is what you meant, how you can think "Brotherhood" would refer to a "purge of brotherhoods" or the elimination of multiple brotherhoods, when "Brotherhood" here is singular, and it is clearly distinguished by "Colonial". It can't possibly refer to other brotherhoods, such as the Ottoman Brotherhood or Chinese Brotherhood. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 11:54, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::If my response is a little confusing because I had trouble understanding what you meant at first and so responded based on three different interpretations, just focus on the first and last paragraphs because I think the last interpretation is what you meant by your second point. Also, just so we're on the same page, the official name of the guild founded by Achilles is the "Colonial Brotherhood". "Colonial Brotherhood" is the proper name of this specific branch, which is classified as an Assassin guild (not "brotherhood"). [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 12:15, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

imported>Sol Pacificus https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Great_Purge_(1757-1763)&diff=589956&oldid=prev imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Move */ 2017-06-28T11:59:51Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Move</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 13:59, 28 June 2017</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l7">Line 7:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 7:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This article should be renamed. "Colonial Assassin" isn't really the name of the organization. Staying with this format, it should be the plural "Colonial Assassins", and actually in that case I think "Purge of the Colonial Assassins" sounds less awkward. Note that the official name of the branch is the "Colonial Brotherhood" also which is probably preferable for the title so "Colonial Brotherhood purge" or "Purge of the Colonial Brotherhood"? Latter sounds more formal but might be too wordy. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:10, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This article should be renamed. "Colonial Assassin" isn't really the name of the organization. Staying with this format, it should be the plural "Colonial Assassins", and actually in that case I think "Purge of the Colonial Assassins" sounds less awkward. Note that the official name of the branch is the "Colonial Brotherhood" also which is probably preferable for the title so "Colonial Brotherhood purge" or "Purge of the Colonial Brotherhood"? Latter sounds more formal but might be too wordy. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:10, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:The article title is fine. Since "Colonial Assassin" is a collective noun in this case, an 's' is not required at the end. Using the word "Brotherhood" would also be incorrect, since it's not technically a purge of brotherhoods, its a purge of this partiuclar brotherhood's members, and they are called Assassins. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 10:50, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:The article title is fine. Since "Colonial Assassin" is a collective noun in this case, an 's' is not required at the end. Using the word "Brotherhood" would also be incorrect, since it's not technically a purge of brotherhoods, its a purge of this partiuclar brotherhood's members, and they are called Assassins. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 10:50, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::I wholeheartedly disagree. "Colonial Assassin" is not a collective noun at all; if it were, it would be pluralized. The singular "Colonial Assassin" can only refer to a single Assassin of this branch, hence why the name is grammatically incorrect because you cannot enact a purge against a single individual. I do not understand your second reasoning either, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">as if </del>your intent is for the name to refer to be a collective noun, then the purpose is the same: to refer to this group of Assassins, and if you argue that only certain members of the branch <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">was </del>being "purged", then I would argue that it's not a purge at all if they don't form a cohesive group that you can say was being targeted, or else would you rename it "Colonial Assassins' leadership purge"? But of course the main problem with that is that ''every'' Assassin of the branch were targeted with only Achilles being spared. Every last gang leader and every Assassin member were killed aside from him.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::I wholeheartedly disagree. "Colonial Assassin" is not a collective noun at all; if it were, it would be pluralized. The singular "Colonial Assassin" can only refer to a single Assassin of this branch, hence why the name is grammatically incorrect because you cannot enact a purge against a single individual. </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::</ins>I do not understand your second reasoning either, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">or what you even mean. If </ins>your intent is for the name to refer to be a collective noun, then the purpose is the same: to refer to this group of Assassins, and if you argue that only certain members of the branch <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">were </ins>being "purged", then I would argue that it's not a purge at all if they don't form a cohesive group that you can say was being targeted, or else would you rename it "Colonial Assassins' leadership purge"? But of course the main problem with that is that ''every'' Assassin of the branch were targeted with only Achilles being spared. Every last gang leader and every Assassin member were killed aside from him.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::If on the other hand—and I'm just thinking ahead—you distinguish "purge of particular members" vs. "purge of the brotherhood" itself based on intent, i.e. Shay hadn't intended to purge the brotherhood, just to purge specific members, then I would argue that if you define purge by intent, Shay doesn't seem to have planned ahead of time to assassinate each and every last Assassin. The story presents it as though he incidentally felt the need to kill one Assassin after another due to new developments, and so if you define purge by intent rather than result, it wouldn't be a purge at all.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::If on the other hand—and I'm just thinking ahead—you distinguish "purge of particular members" vs. "purge of the brotherhood" itself based on intent, i.e. Shay hadn't intended to purge the brotherhood, just to purge specific members, then I would argue that if you define purge by intent, Shay doesn't seem to have planned ahead of time to assassinate each and every last Assassin. The story presents it as though he incidentally felt the need to kill one Assassin after another due to new developments, and so if you define purge by intent rather than result, it wouldn't be a purge at all.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::And just thinking of another possibility since your meaning is a bit unclear, if somehow your meaning is that it's not multiple brotherhoods being eliminated but multiple members of a particular brotherhood being eliminated, then that is still incorrect. What "Colonial Brotherhood purge" actually would mean is that the members of ''this'' particular branch, the Colonial Brotherhood, were eliminated, not "multiple brotherhoods". I don't see if this is what you meant, how you can think "Brotherhood" would refer to a "purge of brotherhoods" or the elimination of multiple brotherhoods, when "Brotherhood" here is singular, and it is clearly distinguished by "Colonial". It can't possibly refer to other brotherhoods, such as the Ottoman Brotherhood or Chinese Brotherhood. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 11:54, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::And just thinking of another possibility since your meaning is a bit unclear, if somehow your meaning is that it's not multiple brotherhoods being eliminated but multiple members of a particular brotherhood being eliminated, then that is still incorrect. What "Colonial Brotherhood purge" actually would mean is that the members of ''this'' particular branch, the Colonial Brotherhood, were eliminated, not "multiple brotherhoods". I don't see if this is what you meant, how you can think "Brotherhood" would refer to a "purge of brotherhoods" or the elimination of multiple brotherhoods, when "Brotherhood" here is singular, and it is clearly distinguished by "Colonial". It can't possibly refer to other brotherhoods, such as the Ottoman Brotherhood or Chinese Brotherhood. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 11:54, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</div></td></tr> </table>

imported>Sol Pacificus https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Great_Purge_(1757-1763)&diff=589955&oldid=prev imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Move */ 2017-06-28T11:54:23Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Move</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 13:54, 28 June 2017</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l7">Line 7:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 7:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This article should be renamed. "Colonial Assassin" isn't really the name of the organization. Staying with this format, it should be the plural "Colonial Assassins", and actually in that case I think "Purge of the Colonial Assassins" sounds less awkward. Note that the official name of the branch is the "Colonial Brotherhood" also which is probably preferable for the title so "Colonial Brotherhood purge" or "Purge of the Colonial Brotherhood"? Latter sounds more formal but might be too wordy. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:10, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This article should be renamed. "Colonial Assassin" isn't really the name of the organization. Staying with this format, it should be the plural "Colonial Assassins", and actually in that case I think "Purge of the Colonial Assassins" sounds less awkward. Note that the official name of the branch is the "Colonial Brotherhood" also which is probably preferable for the title so "Colonial Brotherhood purge" or "Purge of the Colonial Brotherhood"? Latter sounds more formal but might be too wordy. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:10, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:The article title is fine. Since "Colonial Assassin" is a collective noun in this case, an 's' is not required at the end. Using the word "Brotherhood" would also be incorrect, since it's not technically a purge of brotherhoods, its a purge of this partiuclar brotherhood's members, and they are called Assassins. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 10:50, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:The article title is fine. Since "Colonial Assassin" is a collective noun in this case, an 's' is not required at the end. Using the word "Brotherhood" would also be incorrect, since it's not technically a purge of brotherhoods, its a purge of this partiuclar brotherhood's members, and they are called Assassins. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 10:50, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::I wholeheartedly disagree. "Colonial Assassin" is not a collective noun at all; if it were, it would be pluralized. The singular "Colonial Assassin" can only refer to a single Assassin of this branch, hence why the name is grammatically incorrect because you cannot enact a purge against a single individual. I do not understand your second reasoning either, as if your intent is for the name to refer to be a collective noun, then the purpose is the same: to refer to this group of Assassins, and if you argue that only certain members of the branch was being "purged", then I would argue that it's not a purge at all if they don't form a cohesive group that you can say was being targeted, or else would you rename it "Colonial Assassins' leadership purge"? But of course the main problem with that is that ''every'' Assassin of the branch were targeted with only Achilles being spared. Every last gang leader and every Assassin member were killed aside from him.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::If on the other hand—and I'm just thinking ahead—you distinguish "purge of particular members" vs. "purge of the brotherhood" itself based on intent, i.e. Shay hadn't intended to purge the brotherhood, just to purge specific members, then I would argue that if you define purge by intent, Shay doesn't seem to have planned ahead of time to assassinate each and every last Assassin. The story presents it as though he incidentally felt the need to kill one Assassin after another due to new developments, and so if you define purge by intent rather than result, it wouldn't be a purge at all.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::And just thinking of another possibility since your meaning is a bit unclear, if somehow your meaning is that it's not multiple brotherhoods being eliminated but multiple members of a particular brotherhood being eliminated, then that is still incorrect. What "Colonial Brotherhood purge" actually would mean is that the members of ''this'' particular branch, the Colonial Brotherhood, were eliminated, not "multiple brotherhoods". I don't see if this is what you meant, how you can think "Brotherhood" would refer to a "purge of brotherhoods" or the elimination of multiple brotherhoods, when "Brotherhood" here is singular, and it is clearly distinguished by "Colonial". It can't possibly refer to other brotherhoods, such as the Ottoman Brotherhood or Chinese Brotherhood. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 11:54, June 28, 2017 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

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