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	Ezio has seen two Apples, Papal Staff and six memory seals. [[User:Xeoxer\|Xeoxer]] 16:39, March 23, 2012 (UTC)		Ezio has seen two Apples, Papal Staff and six memory seals. [[User:Xeoxer\|Xeoxer]] 16:39, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

	:Memory seals are PoE? -- '''[[User:Ilan xd\|Ilan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd\|XD]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd\|Edits]] • [[w:c:rockstargames\|Home]] </small>)''' 17:00, March 23, 2012 (UTC)		:Memory seals are PoE? -- '''[[User:Ilan xd\|Ilan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd\|XD]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd\|Edits]] • [https://rockstargames.fandom.com/wiki/ w:c:rockstargames Home] </small>)''' 17:00, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

	Memory Seals are not POE, but are made of the same material(I guess). Yeah and Xeoxer is correct that Ezio has also encountered the same number of POEs.[[User:IlMualim\|IlMualim]] 19:29, March 23, 2012 (UTC)		Memory Seals are not POE, but are made of the same material(I guess). Yeah and Xeoxer is correct that Ezio has also encountered the same number of POEs.[[User:IlMualim\|IlMualim]] 19:29, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

imported>Master Sima Yi: /* Unusual year discrepancies in Giovanni's life */

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Unusual year discrepancies in Giovanni's life

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	As I don't have any access that I would be aware of how to obtain to Project Legacy, I'm basing this entirely off of the Syndicate database. Or is the Animus DDS supposed to be this unreliable as a plot point? [[User:Schiffy\|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy\|<font color="FF6600">T</font>]]\|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy\|<font color="red">C</font>]]) 19:58, 20 April 2021 (UTC)		As I don't have any access that I would be aware of how to obtain to Project Legacy, I'm basing this entirely off of the Syndicate database. Or is the Animus DDS supposed to be this unreliable as a plot point? [[User:Schiffy\|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy\|<font color="FF6600">T</font>]]\|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy\|<font color="red">C</font>]]) 19:58, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

			:Entries 022 and 023 are Giovanni dreaming the memories of his father Perotto Calderon. Entry 022 makes note of this a little further down ("Perotto. Giovanni dreamed as Perotto!"). The actual memories don't take place in 1503, but Giovanni is dreaming them in 1503. The memories are older, and include Perotto's training of Francesco Vecellio, who is much older than Giovanni and would in turn become Giovanni's own tutor. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 20:08, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

imported>Schiffy: /* Unusual year discrepancies in Giovanni's life */ new section

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	Why does it still say that Cesare might be Giovanni's father? Giovanni relived memories of Perotto through the "bleeding effect", so he is obviously the father. [[User:StPerkele\|StPerkele]] ([[User talk:StPerkele\|talk]]) 13:31, March 27, 2013 (UTC)		Why does it still say that Cesare might be Giovanni's father? Giovanni relived memories of Perotto through the "bleeding effect", so he is obviously the father. [[User:StPerkele\|StPerkele]] ([[User talk:StPerkele\|talk]]) 13:31, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

			== Unusual year discrepancies in Giovanni's life ==

			So I found myself reading through the Assassin Intel/Reconstructed Data in Syndicate, and I couldn't help but notice that the chronology surrounding Giovanni Borgia doesn't make a lick of sense.

			Giovanni is assumed to be a baby in 1498 (per the entries on what is assumed to be his father, Perotto Calderon, entries [[Database: Reconstructed Data 018\|018]] through [[Database: Reconstructed Data 021\|021]]. Despite supposedly being born in or at most two years prior to 1498, Giovanni is already seemingly an adult by 1503 ([[Database: Reconstructed Data 022\|entry 022]]). In that same year, a child named Francesco is placed in his care to train ([[Database: Reconstructed Data 023\|entry 023]]). This is assumed to be Francesco Vecellio. However, Vecellio was born in 1475. If these year of birth and events are correct, then at this time, a 28 year old "child" would be in the care of and being trained by a five year old "experienced assassin", which is of course impossible. Giovanni was apparently screwed up by the Shroud. Does it also affect his sense of time? His perception of the ages of those around him? The next five entries on Giovanni are all him descending into madness and not knowing what's what or who's who or when's when, reinforcing this theory, but it's also all still dated 1503.

			As I don't have any access that I would be aware of how to obtain to Project Legacy, I'm basing this entirely off of the Syndicate database. Or is the Animus DDS supposed to be this unreliable as a plot point? [[User:Schiffy\|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy\|<font color="FF6600">T</font>]]\|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy\|<font color="red">C</font>]]) 19:58, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

imported>RebeccaAWB: Adding {{Talkheader}}

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	== Giovanni Borgia is a decendent of Brutus ==		== Giovanni Borgia is a decendent of Brutus ==

imported>StPerkele: /* Cesare the father? */ new section

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	Just in case someone wants to add this, the Animus Hack about the Mountebank clearly mentions Giovanni Borgia and Maria Amiel. So Erudito is fully aware of all Project Legacy memories (well, this is to assume, since he released them to the public - interesting stuff anyway). [[User:StPerkele\|StPerkele]] ([[User talk:StPerkele\|talk]]) 00:24, December 18, 2012 (UTC)		Just in case someone wants to add this, the Animus Hack about the Mountebank clearly mentions Giovanni Borgia and Maria Amiel. So Erudito is fully aware of all Project Legacy memories (well, this is to assume, since he released them to the public - interesting stuff anyway). [[User:StPerkele\|StPerkele]] ([[User talk:StPerkele\|talk]]) 00:24, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

			== Cesare the father? ==

			Even though I have the feeling that nobody really reads this talkpage anymore, I'll post this anyway:

			Why does it still say that Cesare might be Giovanni's father? Giovanni relived memories of Perotto through the "bleeding effect", so he is obviously the father. [[User:StPerkele\|StPerkele]] ([[User talk:StPerkele\|talk]]) 13:31, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

imported>StPerkele: /* Animus Hack */ new section

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	Memory Seals are not POE, but are made of the same material(I guess). Yeah and Xeoxer is correct that Ezio has also encountered the same number of POEs.[[User:IlMualim\|IlMualim]] 19:29, March 23, 2012 (UTC)		Memory Seals are not POE, but are made of the same material(I guess). Yeah and Xeoxer is correct that Ezio has also encountered the same number of POEs.[[User:IlMualim\|IlMualim]] 19:29, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

			== Animus Hack ==

			Just in case someone wants to add this, the Animus Hack about the Mountebank clearly mentions Giovanni Borgia and Maria Amiel. So Erudito is fully aware of all Project Legacy memories (well, this is to assume, since he released them to the public - interesting stuff anyway). [[User:StPerkele\|StPerkele]] ([[User talk:StPerkele\|talk]]) 00:24, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

imported>IlMualim: /* "This is the greatest variety of Pieces of Eden that any one character has been known to encounter. " */

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"This is the greatest variety of Pieces of Eden that any one character has been known to encounter. "

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	:Memory seals are PoE? -- '''[[User:Ilan xd\|Ilan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd\|XD]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd\|Edits]] • [[w:c:rockstargames\|Home]] </small>)''' 17:00, March 23, 2012 (UTC)		:Memory seals are PoE? -- '''[[User:Ilan xd\|Ilan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd\|XD]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd\|Edits]] • [[w:c:rockstargames\|Home]] </small>)''' 17:00, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

			Memory Seals are not POE, but are made of the same material(I guess). Yeah and Xeoxer is correct that Ezio has also encountered the same number of POEs.[[User:IlMualim\|IlMualim]] 19:29, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

imported>Raziel Reaper: /* "This is the greatest variety of Pieces of Eden that any one character has been known to encounter. " */

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"This is the greatest variety of Pieces of Eden that any one character has been known to encounter. "

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	Ezio has seen two Apples, Papal Staff and six memory seals. [[User:Xeoxer\|Xeoxer]] 16:39, March 23, 2012 (UTC)		Ezio has seen two Apples, Papal Staff and six memory seals. [[User:Xeoxer\|Xeoxer]] 16:39, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

			:Memory seals are PoE? -- '''[[User:Ilan xd\|Ilan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd\|XD]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd\|Edits]] • [[w:c:rockstargames\|Home]] </small>)''' 17:00, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

imported>Xannot: /* "This is the greatest variety of Pieces of Eden that any one character has been known to encounter. " */ new section

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	On Wikipedia, Consus is described as one of the 6 gods and goddesses each that meets with Jupiter to decide if he would destroy or leave a city alone. Minerva and Juno were both on this counsel with him, so maybe a conflict arose in the council when it came to deciding if humans should be destroyed or if Adam and Eve should be "exiled" or if Eden should cease to exist altogether. Maybe some of the council wanted Adam and Eve and other hybrids to die because of the fact that they were immune to the mental control of the POEs and thus be able to lead a rebellion. Minerva seemed to be compassionate to humans and the hybrids and Juno seemed more aggressive so maybe a schism disrupted the council and gave Adam and Eve time to grab one of the Pieces while they weren't looking. This caused the distraction thus TWCB were an endangered species and ''had'' to intermarry to survive in some way. Perhaps Juno is trying to regain her possession of the Apples. This leads me to believe that the nexus Altair, Ezio, and Desmond reach is when they all discover the memory of one of the council members when everything went bad (the conflict among TWCB and the war between humans and TWCB)--Jupiter maybe, since he was unfaithful to Juno and had half-human half-'god' children in Roman mythology. Thoughts? And a question: whose memory did the Truth sequence come from? The camera is 3rd person. Sorry if this strays waaaaaay off topic but I had this all come to me at once. Strang3Happ3nings 07:16, July 9, 2011 (UTC)		On Wikipedia, Consus is described as one of the 6 gods and goddesses each that meets with Jupiter to decide if he would destroy or leave a city alone. Minerva and Juno were both on this counsel with him, so maybe a conflict arose in the council when it came to deciding if humans should be destroyed or if Adam and Eve should be "exiled" or if Eden should cease to exist altogether. Maybe some of the council wanted Adam and Eve and other hybrids to die because of the fact that they were immune to the mental control of the POEs and thus be able to lead a rebellion. Minerva seemed to be compassionate to humans and the hybrids and Juno seemed more aggressive so maybe a schism disrupted the council and gave Adam and Eve time to grab one of the Pieces while they weren't looking. This caused the distraction thus TWCB were an endangered species and ''had'' to intermarry to survive in some way. Perhaps Juno is trying to regain her possession of the Apples. This leads me to believe that the nexus Altair, Ezio, and Desmond reach is when they all discover the memory of one of the council members when everything went bad (the conflict among TWCB and the war between humans and TWCB)--Jupiter maybe, since he was unfaithful to Juno and had half-human half-'god' children in Roman mythology. Thoughts? And a question: whose memory did the Truth sequence come from? The camera is 3rd person. Sorry if this strays waaaaaay off topic but I had this all come to me at once. Strang3Happ3nings 07:16, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

			== "This is the greatest variety of Pieces of Eden that any one character has been known to encounter. " ==

			Ezio has seen two Apples, Papal Staff and six memory seals. [[User:Xeoxer\|Xeoxer]] 16:39, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

imported>TranquilTempest: /* Consus Theory */

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Consus Theory

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	On Wikipedia, Consus is described as one of the 6 gods and goddesses each that meets with Jupiter to decide if he would destroy or leave a city alone. Minerva and Juno were both on this counsel with him, so maybe a conflict arose in the council when it came to deciding if humans should be destroyed or if Adam and Eve should be "exiled" or if Eden should cease to exist altogether. Maybe some of the council wanted Adam and Eve and other hybrids to die because of the fact that they were immune to the mental control of the POEs and thus be able to lead a rebellion. Minerva seemed to be compassionate to humans and the hybrids and Juno seemed more aggressive so maybe a schism disrupted the council and gave Adam and Eve time to grab one of the Pieces while they weren't looking. This caused the distraction thus TWCB were an endangered species and ''had'' to intermarry to survive in some way. Perhaps Juno is trying to regain her possession of the Apples. This leads me to believe that the nexus Altair, Ezio, and Desmond reach is when they all discover the memory of one of the council members when everything went bad (the conflict among TWCB and the war between humans and TWCB)--Jupiter maybe, since he was unfaithful to Juno and had half-human half-'god' children in Roman mythology. Thoughts? And a question: whose memory did the Truth sequence come from? The camera is 3rd person. Sorry if this strays waaaaaay off topic but I had this all come to me at once. Strang3Happ3nings 07:16, July 9, 2011 (UTC)		On Wikipedia, Consus is described as one of the 6 gods and goddesses each that meets with Jupiter to decide if he would destroy or leave a city alone. Minerva and Juno were both on this counsel with him, so maybe a conflict arose in the council when it came to deciding if humans should be destroyed or if Adam and Eve should be "exiled" or if Eden should cease to exist altogether. Maybe some of the council wanted Adam and Eve and other hybrids to die because of the fact that they were immune to the mental control of the POEs and thus be able to lead a rebellion. Minerva seemed to be compassionate to humans and the hybrids and Juno seemed more aggressive so maybe a schism disrupted the council and gave Adam and Eve time to grab one of the Pieces while they weren't looking. This caused the distraction thus TWCB were an endangered species and ''had'' to intermarry to survive in some way. Perhaps Juno is trying to regain her possession of the Apples. This leads me to believe that the nexus Altair, Ezio, and Desmond reach is when they all discover the memory of one of the council members when everything went bad (the conflict among TWCB and the war between humans and TWCB)--Jupiter maybe, since he was unfaithful to Juno and had half-human half-'god' children in Roman mythology. Thoughts? And a question: whose memory did the Truth sequence come from? The camera is 3rd person. Sorry if this strays waaaaaay off topic but I had this all come to me at once. Strang3Happ3nings 07:16, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

	~~== Consus Theory ==~~

	On Wikipedia, Consus is described as one of the 6 gods and goddesses each that meets with Jupiter to decide if he would destroy or leave a city alone. Minerva and Juno were both on this counsel with him, so maybe a conflict arose in the council when it came to deciding if humans should be destroyed or if Adam and Eve should be "exiled" or if Eden should cease to exist altogether. Maybe some of the council wanted Adam and Eve and other hybrids to die because of the fact that they were immune to the mental control of the POEs and thus be able to lead a rebellion. Minerva seemed to be compassionate to humans and the hybrids and Juno seemed more aggressive so maybe a schism disrupted the council and gave Adam and Eve time to grab one of the Pieces while they weren't looking. This caused the distraction thus TWCB were an endangered species and ''had'' to intermarry to survive in some way. Perhaps Juno is trying to regain her possession of the Apples. This leads me to believe that the nexus Altair, Ezio, and Desmond reach is when they all discover the memory of one of the council members when everything went bad (the conflict among TWCB and the war between humans and TWCB)--Jupiter maybe, since he was unfaithful to Juno and had half-human half-'god' children in Roman mythology. Thoughts? And a question: whose memory did the Truth sequence come from? The camera is 3rd person. Sorry if this strays waaaaaay off topic but I had this all come to me at once. Strang3Happ3nings 07:17, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

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	Ezio has seen two Apples, Papal Staff and six memory seals. [[User:Xeoxer\|Xeoxer]] 16:39, March 23, 2012 (UTC)		Ezio has seen two Apples, Papal Staff and six memory seals. [[User:Xeoxer\|Xeoxer]] 16:39, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

	:Memory seals are PoE? -- '''[[User:Ilan xd\|Ilan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd\|XD]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd\|Edits]] • [[w:c:rockstargames\|Home]] </small>)''' 17:00, March 23, 2012 (UTC)		:Memory seals are PoE? -- '''[[User:Ilan xd\|Ilan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd\|XD]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd\|Edits]] • [https://rockstargames.fandom.com/wiki/ w:c:rockstargames Home] </small>)''' 17:00, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

	Memory Seals are not POE, but are made of the same material(I guess). Yeah and Xeoxer is correct that Ezio has also encountered the same number of POEs.[[User:IlMualim\|IlMualim]] 19:29, March 23, 2012 (UTC)		Memory Seals are not POE, but are made of the same material(I guess). Yeah and Xeoxer is correct that Ezio has also encountered the same number of POEs.[[User:IlMualim\|IlMualim]] 19:29, March 23, 2012 (UTC)