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	I think it would be better to rename this branch the "German Brotherhood". As far as I can tell, the creator of the page assumed that the Netherlands and Germany had the same Brotherhood on account of the fact that, in ''Revelations'', the Assassins in Germany were led by Erasmus, a Dutchman. To be honest, I don't think that's a good enough reason to assume that they were not seperate Brotherhoods. There's also the fact that "Northern Europe" is a rather loose term that, depending on who you ask or which source you consult, doesn't have a concrete definition. Some definitions don't even include the Netherlands and Germany as being a part of Northern Europe. Unless there's an official source I've missed, I think we should change the name. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 00:25, February 28, 2017 (UTC)		I think it would be better to rename this branch the "German Brotherhood". As far as I can tell, the creator of the page assumed that the Netherlands and Germany had the same Brotherhood on account of the fact that, in ''Revelations'', the Assassins in Germany were led by Erasmus, a Dutchman. To be honest, I don't think that's a good enough reason to assume that they were not seperate Brotherhoods. There's also the fact that "Northern Europe" is a rather loose term that, depending on who you ask or which source you consult, doesn't have a concrete definition. Some definitions don't even include the Netherlands and Germany as being a part of Northern Europe. Unless there's an official source I've missed, I think we should change the name. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 00:25, February 28, 2017 (UTC)

imported>The Wikia Editor at 20:25, 19 July 2017

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	:I've looked it up and you are correct, Desiderius Erasmus is indeed referred to as being the leader of the "North European branch of the Brotherhood". I'm honestly not sure what to do now. The obvious course of action would be to create the article "North European Brotherhood of Assassins", but I'm not entirely sure that the German Brotherhood page should necessarily be removed, given that it's not actually specified within the novel which country(ies) the North European branch actually covers. I also wish to apologize for being presumptuous, I usually try to carefully avoid drawing conclusions too soon and will try to avoid doing that in the future. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 19:29, July 18, 2017 (UTC)		:I've looked it up and you are correct, Desiderius Erasmus is indeed referred to as being the leader of the "North European branch of the Brotherhood". I'm honestly not sure what to do now. The obvious course of action would be to create the article "North European Brotherhood of Assassins", but I'm not entirely sure that the German Brotherhood page should necessarily be removed, given that it's not actually specified within the novel which country(ies) the North European branch actually covers. I also wish to apologize for being presumptuous, I usually try to carefully avoid drawing conclusions too soon and will try to avoid doing that in the future. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 19:29, July 18, 2017 (UTC)
	::Yes pardon me as well. I'm surprised at my own presumption since I know I usually do check the history of an article to verify something is in error (although in this case it's possible I checked and still thought you were wrong xD but I don't remember). I agree with the issues the Wikia Editor raised, and I'm not entirely sure how to approach this either. I think we should double-check with other sources first and see if they can she'd better light on this. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 17:37, July 18, 2017 (UTC)		::Yes pardon me as well. I'm surprised at my own presumption since I know I usually do check the history of an article to verify something is in error (although in this case it's possible I checked and still thought you were wrong xD but I don't remember). I agree with the issues the Wikia Editor raised, and I'm not entirely sure how to approach this either. I think we should double-check with other sources first and see if they can she'd better light on this. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 17:37, July 18, 2017 (UTC)
			:::I've reread the passage mentioning Erasmus and the North European Brotherhood and it honestly doesn't really say much about the Brotherhood itself. Here it is:

			:::''The leader of the North European branch of the Brotherhood, Desiderius Erasmus, had written to Claudia from Queens’ College at Cambridge, where the wandering scholar was for the present living and teaching, that there was a newly appointed Doctor in Bible at Wittenberg, a young man called Luther, whose religious thinking might need watching, as it seemed to be leading to something very revolutionary indeed—something that might yet again threaten the fragile stability of Europe.''

			:::The only thing specifically mentioned about the North European Brotherhood is that Erasmus is their leader, what he wrote to Claudia had no confirmed relation to where the North European Brotherhood was located. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 22:25, July 19, 2017 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Name Change? */

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	:I've looked it up and you are correct, Desiderius Erasmus is indeed referred to as being the leader of the "North European branch of the Brotherhood". I'm honestly not sure what to do now. The obvious course of action would be to create the article "North European Brotherhood of Assassins", but I'm not entirely sure that the German Brotherhood page should necessarily be removed, given that it's not actually specified within the novel which country(ies) the North European branch actually covers. I also wish to apologize for being presumptuous, I usually try to carefully avoid drawing conclusions too soon and will try to avoid doing that in the future. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 19:29, July 18, 2017 (UTC)		:I've looked it up and you are correct, Desiderius Erasmus is indeed referred to as being the leader of the "North European branch of the Brotherhood". I'm honestly not sure what to do now. The obvious course of action would be to create the article "North European Brotherhood of Assassins", but I'm not entirely sure that the German Brotherhood page should necessarily be removed, given that it's not actually specified within the novel which country(ies) the North European branch actually covers. I also wish to apologize for being presumptuous, I usually try to carefully avoid drawing conclusions too soon and will try to avoid doing that in the future. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 19:29, July 18, 2017 (UTC)
			::Yes pardon me as well. I'm surprised at my own presumption since I know I usually do check the history of an article to verify something is in error (although in this case it's possible I checked and still thought you were wrong xD but I don't remember). I agree with the issues the Wikia Editor raised, and I'm not entirely sure how to approach this either. I think we should double-check with other sources first and see if they can she'd better light on this. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 17:37, July 18, 2017 (UTC)

imported>The Wikia Editor at 17:30, 18 July 2017

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	The creator of this page (which is I, as I recall) took the name Northern European Assassins straight from the ''Revelations'' novel IIRC... I don't aim to sound arrogant but guys, next time look up who created the page and send them a message if you're unsure of why this terminology is used. You can understand I'm not a supporter if this move. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 16:48, July 18, 2017 (UTC)		The creator of this page (which is I, as I recall) took the name Northern European Assassins straight from the ''Revelations'' novel IIRC... I don't aim to sound arrogant but guys, next time look up who created the page and send them a message if you're unsure of why this terminology is used. You can understand I'm not a supporter if this move. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 16:48, July 18, 2017 (UTC)

	:I've looked it up and you are correct, Desiderius Erasmus is indeed referred to as being the leader of the "North European branch of the Brotherhood". I'm honestly not sure what to do now. The obvious course of action would be to create the article "North European Brotherhood of Assassins", but I'm not entirely sure that the German Brotherhood page should necessarily be removed, given that it's not actually specified within the novel which country(ies) the North European branch actually covers. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 19:29, July 18, 2017 (UTC)		:I've looked it up and you are correct, Desiderius Erasmus is indeed referred to as being the leader of the "North European branch of the Brotherhood". I'm honestly not sure what to do now. The obvious course of action would be to create the article "North European Brotherhood of Assassins", but I'm not entirely sure that the German Brotherhood page should necessarily be removed, given that it's not actually specified within the novel which country(ies) the North European branch actually covers. I also wish to apologize for being presumptuous, I usually try to carefully avoid drawing conclusions too soon and will try to avoid doing that in the future. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 19:29, July 18, 2017 (UTC)

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	The creator of this page (which is I, as I recall) took the name Northern European Assassins straight from the ''Revelations'' novel IIRC... I don't aim to sound arrogant but guys, next time look up who created the page and send them a message if you're unsure of why this terminology is used. You can understand I'm not a supporter if this move. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 16:48, July 18, 2017 (UTC)		The creator of this page (which is I, as I recall) took the name Northern European Assassins straight from the ''Revelations'' novel IIRC... I don't aim to sound arrogant but guys, next time look up who created the page and send them a message if you're unsure of why this terminology is used. You can understand I'm not a supporter if this move. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 16:48, July 18, 2017 (UTC)

			:I've looked it up and you are correct, Desiderius Erasmus is indeed referred to as being the leader of the "North European branch of the Brotherhood". I'm honestly not sure what to do now. The obvious course of action would be to create the article "North European Brotherhood of Assassins", but I'm not entirely sure that the German Brotherhood page should necessarily be removed, given that it's not actually specified within the novel which country(ies) the North European branch actually covers. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 19:29, July 18, 2017 (UTC)

imported>Master Sima Yi: /* Name Change? */

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	::Agreed, I think we should create a page for the Austrian Brotherhood soon and move the information about the missions in Vienna to that page. However, at the moment, let's focus on renaming this page. Since you agree, I guess it's safe to just move it to "German Brotherhood". [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 12:07, February 28, 2017 (UTC)		::Agreed, I think we should create a page for the Austrian Brotherhood soon and move the information about the missions in Vienna to that page. However, at the moment, let's focus on renaming this page. Since you agree, I guess it's safe to just move it to "German Brotherhood". [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 12:07, February 28, 2017 (UTC)

	The creator of this page (which is I, as I recall) took the name Northern European Assassins straight from the ''Revelations'' novel IIRC... -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 16:48, July 18, 2017 (UTC)		The creator of this page (which is I, as I recall) took the name Northern European Assassins straight from the ''Revelations'' novel IIRC... I don't aim to sound arrogant but guys, next time look up who created the page and send them a message if you're unsure of why this terminology is used. You can understand I'm not a supporter if this move. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 16:48, July 18, 2017 (UTC)

imported>Master Sima Yi: /* Name Change? */

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	:Personally, I see the cities in ''Brotherhood'''s Assassin Guild system and ''Project Legacy'': Contracts as representing the bases of distinct guilds, though this is kind of an inference. There is in fact no mission in a Dutch city like Amsterdam, with Desiderius Erasmus's missions being set in Paris instead, but I don't have the ''Revelations'' book, which probably explicitly says he was the leader of the Dutch Assassins? In any case, I think that the missions involving Emperor Maximilian should possibly be set off as an Austrian Brotherhood since the game portrays Vienna, Austria and Cologne, Germany as distinct bases for missions, and possibly, distinct guilds. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:02, February 28, 2017 (UTC)		:Personally, I see the cities in ''Brotherhood'''s Assassin Guild system and ''Project Legacy'': Contracts as representing the bases of distinct guilds, though this is kind of an inference. There is in fact no mission in a Dutch city like Amsterdam, with Desiderius Erasmus's missions being set in Paris instead, but I don't have the ''Revelations'' book, which probably explicitly says he was the leader of the Dutch Assassins? In any case, I think that the missions involving Emperor Maximilian should possibly be set off as an Austrian Brotherhood since the game portrays Vienna, Austria and Cologne, Germany as distinct bases for missions, and possibly, distinct guilds. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:02, February 28, 2017 (UTC)
	::Agreed, I think we should create a page for the Austrian Brotherhood soon and move the information about the missions in Vienna to that page. However, at the moment, let's focus on renaming this page. Since you agree, I guess it's safe to just move it to "German Brotherhood". [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 12:07, February 28, 2017 (UTC)		::Agreed, I think we should create a page for the Austrian Brotherhood soon and move the information about the missions in Vienna to that page. However, at the moment, let's focus on renaming this page. Since you agree, I guess it's safe to just move it to "German Brotherhood". [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 12:07, February 28, 2017 (UTC)

			The creator of this page (which is I, as I recall) took the name Northern European Assassins straight from the ''Revelations'' novel IIRC... -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 16:48, July 18, 2017 (UTC)

imported>The Wikia Editor: The Wikia Editor moved page Talk:Northern European Brotherhood of Assassins to Talk:German Brotherhood of Assassins: There is nothing to suggest that Germany and the Netherlands don't have seperate Brotherhoods.

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The Wikia Editor moved page Talk:Northern European Brotherhood of Assassins to Talk:German Brotherhood of Assassins: There is nothing to suggest that Germany and the Netherlands don't have seperate Brotherhoods.

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imported>The Wikia Editor at 11:07, 28 February 2017

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	:Personally, I see the cities in ''Brotherhood'''s Assassin Guild system and ''Project Legacy'': Contracts as representing the bases of distinct guilds, though this is kind of an inference. There is in fact no mission in a Dutch city like Amsterdam, with Desiderius Erasmus's missions being set in Paris instead, but I don't have the ''Revelations'' book, which probably explicitly says he was the leader of the Dutch Assassins? In any case, I think that the missions involving Emperor Maximilian should possibly be set off as an Austrian Brotherhood since the game portrays Vienna, Austria and Cologne, Germany as distinct bases for missions, and possibly, distinct guilds. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:02, February 28, 2017 (UTC)		:Personally, I see the cities in ''Brotherhood'''s Assassin Guild system and ''Project Legacy'': Contracts as representing the bases of distinct guilds, though this is kind of an inference. There is in fact no mission in a Dutch city like Amsterdam, with Desiderius Erasmus's missions being set in Paris instead, but I don't have the ''Revelations'' book, which probably explicitly says he was the leader of the Dutch Assassins? In any case, I think that the missions involving Emperor Maximilian should possibly be set off as an Austrian Brotherhood since the game portrays Vienna, Austria and Cologne, Germany as distinct bases for missions, and possibly, distinct guilds. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:02, February 28, 2017 (UTC)
			::Agreed, I think we should create a page for the Austrian Brotherhood soon and move the information about the missions in Vienna to that page. However, at the moment, let's focus on renaming this page. Since you agree, I guess it's safe to just move it to "German Brotherhood". [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 12:07, February 28, 2017 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Name Change? */

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	I think it would be better to rename this branch the "German Brotherhood". As far as I can tell, the creator of the page assumed that the Netherlands and Germany had the same Brotherhood on account of the fact that, in ''Revelations'', the Assassins in Germany were led by Erasmus, a Dutchman. To be honest, I don't think that's a good enough reason to assume that they were not seperate Brotherhoods. There's also the fact that "Northern Europe" is a rather loose term that, depending on who you ask or which source you consult, doesn't have a concrete definition. Some definitions don't even include the Netherlands and Germany as being a part of Northern Europe. Unless there's an official source I've missed, I think we should change the name. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 00:25, February 28, 2017 (UTC)		I think it would be better to rename this branch the "German Brotherhood". As far as I can tell, the creator of the page assumed that the Netherlands and Germany had the same Brotherhood on account of the fact that, in ''Revelations'', the Assassins in Germany were led by Erasmus, a Dutchman. To be honest, I don't think that's a good enough reason to assume that they were not seperate Brotherhoods. There's also the fact that "Northern Europe" is a rather loose term that, depending on who you ask or which source you consult, doesn't have a concrete definition. Some definitions don't even include the Netherlands and Germany as being a part of Northern Europe. Unless there's an official source I've missed, I think we should change the name. [[User:The Wikia Editor\|The Wikia Editor]] ([[User talk:The Wikia Editor\|talk]]) 00:25, February 28, 2017 (UTC)
			:I would agree with renaming this branch to the German Brotherhood. At the very least, it most certainly should not be "Northern European", as that almost always refers to Scandinavia & Denmark exclusively. I would propose "Central European" if we really intend to keep this name variant. However, I would prefer German Brotherhood the most.

			:Personally, I see the cities in ''Brotherhood'''s Assassin Guild system and ''Project Legacy'': Contracts as representing the bases of distinct guilds, though this is kind of an inference. There is in fact no mission in a Dutch city like Amsterdam, with Desiderius Erasmus's missions being set in Paris instead, but I don't have the ''Revelations'' book, which probably explicitly says he was the leader of the Dutch Assassins? In any case, I think that the missions involving Emperor Maximilian should possibly be set off as an Austrian Brotherhood since the game portrays Vienna, Austria and Cologne, Germany as distinct bases for missions, and possibly, distinct guilds. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 03:02, February 28, 2017 (UTC)