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	I don´t know if we can confirm that the Box he had was the one from Freedom Cry with all this "Multiple Boxes" thing that Farresse confirmed. Embers, Chronicles China and the Freedom Cry Box looks exactly the same, but Rogue's Box is just different at every aspect. We should do something about it. [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 03:06, October 11, 2015 (UTC)		I don´t know if we can confirm that the Box he had was the one from Freedom Cry with all this "Multiple Boxes" thing that Farresse confirmed. Embers, Chronicles China and the Freedom Cry Box looks exactly the same, but Rogue's Box is just different at every aspect. We should do something about it. [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 03:06, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

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	:I don´t know, it works for me :/ (If it is what Nadiger said (Rogue's Box been a different one)) [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 20:01, October 11, 2015 (UTC)		:I don´t know, it works for me :/ (If it is what Nadiger said (Rogue's Box been a different one)) [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 20:01, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

	::~~As can clearly be seen in these [[:File: De Fayet~~'~~s Last Stand 7.png\|two]]~~ [[:~~File: One Little Victory 6.png~~\|~~images~~]], ~~the boxes seen in ''Freedom Cry'' and ''Rogue'' are different. On top of this, the "Manila Galleons" letter reads~~ as ~~such: "It will probably be found in the West Indies somewhere",~~ to ~~me that indicates~~ the ~~possibility of more than one box being in the area, and the assumption some have made that the boxes are one and the same is erroneous~~. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:07, October 12, 2015 (UTC)		::I've moved my response [[Talk:Precursor box\|here]], as it makes more sense to continue this discussion on the correct talk page. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 10:51, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

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	:To be honest, I feel like the letter was written with an intent to tie ''Embers'' and ''Freedom Cry'' together (especially considering it's like the last War Letter you get from the naval mini-game), but somewhere (probably after ''Rogue'' if I'm being completely honest) a creative decision was made and the tie-in doesn't fit anymore so now we just have to pretend it's not there. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 19:42, October 11, 2015 (UTC)		:To be honest, I feel like the letter was written with an intent to tie ''Embers'' and ''Freedom Cry'' together (especially considering it's like the last War Letter you get from the naval mini-game), but somewhere (probably after ''Rogue'' if I'm being completely honest) a creative decision was made and the tie-in doesn't fit anymore so now we just have to pretend it's not there. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 19:42, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

			:I don´t know, it works for me :/ (If it is what Nadiger said (Rogue's Box been a different one)) [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 20:01, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

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	To be frank what Nadiger is offering are explanations which we can all think up ourselves. What I'm talking about is that war letter being written for a reason, and that reason can't have been anything other than tying Embers and Freedom Cry together. If it wasn't, then whoever wrote it needs to take a reality check (no offense). -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 19:40, October 11, 2015 (UTC)		To be frank what Nadiger is offering are explanations which we can all think up ourselves. What I'm talking about is that war letter being written for a reason, and that reason can't have been anything other than tying Embers and Freedom Cry together. If it wasn't, then whoever wrote it needs to take a reality check (no offense). -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 19:40, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

			:To be honest, I feel like the letter was written with an intent to tie ''Embers'' and ''Freedom Cry'' together (especially considering it's like the last War Letter you get from the naval mini-game), but somewhere (probably after ''Rogue'' if I'm being completely honest) a creative decision was made and the tie-in doesn't fit anymore so now we just have to pretend it's not there. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 19:42, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

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	::... Talking about this mess with the Boxes: https://twitter.com/SunnyGearSolid/status/652928718516682752 More boxes! [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 18:48, October 11, 2015 (UTC)		::... Talking about this mess with the Boxes: https://twitter.com/SunnyGearSolid/status/652928718516682752 More boxes! [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 18:48, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

			To be frank what Nadiger is offering are explanations which we can all think up ourselves. What I'm talking about is that war letter being written for a reason, and that reason can't have been anything other than tying Embers and Freedom Cry together. If it wasn't, then whoever wrote it needs to take a reality check (no offense). -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 19:40, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

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	::"Maybe it was Ezio’s box that was shipped out of Manila, but what they found in Haiti was the Rogue box instead and Ezio’s box is still lost in the Caribbean? If the only description you have is “precursor box” and you’ve never seen one before, would you know the difference?" This is what im talking about. It explains everething plus the visual differences [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 17:46, October 11, 2015 (UTC)		::"Maybe it was Ezio’s box that was shipped out of Manila, but what they found in Haiti was the Rogue box instead and Ezio’s box is still lost in the Caribbean? If the only description you have is “precursor box” and you’ve never seen one before, would you know the difference?" This is what im talking about. It explains everething plus the visual differences [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 17:46, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

			::... Talking about this mess with the Boxes: https://twitter.com/SunnyGearSolid/status/652928718516682752 More boxes! [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 18:48, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

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	::I can't believe how the writers keep making every aspect of the series unnecessarily complicated and contradictory. They're only making it harder for themselves.--[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 17:41, October 11, 2015 (UTC)		::I can't believe how the writers keep making every aspect of the series unnecessarily complicated and contradictory. They're only making it harder for themselves.--[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 17:41, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

			:::At this point, I can only hope 2014 was a temporary stumble in AC's narrative quality and not the beginning of a full-blown nosedive :/ {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 17:55, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

	::"Maybe it was Ezio’s box that was shipped out of Manila, but what they found in Haiti was the Rogue box instead and Ezio’s box is still lost in the Caribbean? If the only description you have is “precursor box” and you’ve never seen one before, would you know the difference?" This is what im talking about. It explains everething plus the visual differences [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 17:46, October 11, 2015 (UTC)		::"Maybe it was Ezio’s box that was shipped out of Manila, but what they found in Haiti was the Rogue box instead and Ezio’s box is still lost in the Caribbean? If the only description you have is “precursor box” and you’ve never seen one before, would you know the difference?" This is what im talking about. It explains everething plus the visual differences [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 17:46, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

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	::I can't believe how the writers keep making every aspect of the series unnecessarily complicated and contradictory. They're only making it harder for themselves.--[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 17:41, October 11, 2015 (UTC)		::I can't believe how the writers keep making every aspect of the series unnecessarily complicated and contradictory. They're only making it harder for themselves.--[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 17:41, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

			::"Maybe it was Ezio’s box that was shipped out of Manila, but what they found in Haiti was the Rogue box instead and Ezio’s box is still lost in the Caribbean? If the only description you have is “precursor box” and you’ve never seen one before, would you know the difference?" This is what im talking about. It explains everething plus the visual differences [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 17:46, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

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	:Here's the [http://jnadiger.tumblr.com/post/129571810502/hello-again-so-a-recent-podcast-with-richard Tumblr post from James Nadiger] Sima's talking about. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 17:32, October 11, 2015 (UTC)		:Here's the [http://jnadiger.tumblr.com/post/129571810502/hello-again-so-a-recent-podcast-with-richard Tumblr post from James Nadiger] Sima's talking about. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 17:32, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

			::I can't believe how the writers keep making every aspect of the series unnecessarily complicated and contradictory. They're only making it harder for themselves.--[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 17:41, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

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	== Precursor Box ==		== Precursor Box ==
	I don´t know if we can confirm that the Box he had was the one from Freedom Cry with all this "Multiple Boxes" thing that Farresse confirmed. Embers, Chronicles China and the Freedom Cry Box looks exactly the same, but Rogue's Box is just different at every aspect. We should do something about it. [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 03:06, October 11, 2015 (UTC)		I don´t know if we can confirm that the Box he had was the one from Freedom Cry with all this "Multiple Boxes" thing that Farresse confirmed. Embers, Chronicles China and the Freedom Cry Box looks exactly the same, but Rogue's Box is just different at every aspect. We should do something about it. [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 03:06, October 11, 2015 (UTC)
	:Like Sima said, we should wait for more information. {{User:Stormbeast/sig}} 03:25, October 11, 2015 (UTC)		:Like Sima said, we should wait for more information. {{User:Stormbeast/sig}} 03:25, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

	::The "Manila Galleons" war letter confirms that the box in ''Rogue'' is the same as the one in ''Embers'' and ''China''. Plus, Liam says that they're searching for the box stolen from Mackandal, and that the one Adéwalé gave to Bastienne was the same box.--[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 07:03, October 11, 2015 (UTC)		::The "Manila Galleons" war letter confirms that the box in ''Rogue'' is the same as the one in ''Embers'' and ''China''. Plus, Liam says that they're searching for the box stolen from Mackandal, and that the one Adéwalé gave to Bastienne was the same box.--[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 07:03, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

	::We can´t confirm anything, Adé doesn´t know about the multiple Boxes, and maybe Mackandal's Box is a different one. We just need something confirming if Bastianne gave Mackandal the Box, because what we know for sure is that there are at least 2 Boxes in America. Farrese said that Embers' Box and Rogue/Freedom Cry's Box were different ones, but we have that Manila Galleons thing and the visual differences, and according to the visual differences, Rogue's one is different one. [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 16:57, October 11, 2015 (UTC)		::We can´t confirm anything, Adé doesn´t know about the multiple Boxes, and maybe Mackandal's Box is a different one. We just need something confirming if Bastianne gave Mackandal the Box, because what we know for sure is that there are at least 2 Boxes in America. Farrese said that Embers' Box and Rogue/Freedom Cry's Box were different ones, but we have that Manila Galleons thing and the visual differences, and according to the visual differences, Rogue's one is different one. [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 16:57, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

	Evidently what could be gathered from what Farrese said was that he wasn't 100% sure on whether they were the same but that he was 100% sure there are multiple boxes. If the war letter from Rogue might be John Harrison being "wrong" as James Nadiger told Crook on Tumblr (?) then the entire letter serves absolutely zero purpose. Saying "that character was wrong" after the fact is awful storytelling anyway. We might as well start doubting any information we received through in-game characters. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 17:09, October 11, 2015 (UTC)		Evidently what could be gathered from what Farrese said was that he wasn't 100% sure on whether they were the same but that he was 100% sure there are multiple boxes. If the war letter from Rogue might be John Harrison being "wrong" as James Nadiger told Crook on Tumblr (?) then the entire letter serves absolutely zero purpose. Saying "that character was wrong" after the fact is awful storytelling anyway. We might as well start doubting any information we received through in-game characters. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 17:09, October 11, 2015 (UTC)
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	:::At this point, I can only hope 2014 was a temporary stumble in AC's narrative quality and not the beginning of a full-blown nosedive :/ {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 17:55, October 11, 2015 (UTC)		:::At this point, I can only hope 2014 was a temporary stumble in AC's narrative quality and not the beginning of a full-blown nosedive :/ {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 17:55, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

	::"Maybe it was Ezio’s box that was shipped out of Manila, but what they found in Haiti was the Rogue box instead and Ezio’s box is still lost in the Caribbean? If the only description you have ~~is “precursor~~ box” and you’ve never seen one before, would you know the difference?" This is what im talking about. It explains everething plus the visual differences [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 17:46, October 11, 2015 (UTC)		::"Maybe it was Ezio’s box that was shipped out of Manila, but what they found in Haiti was the Rogue box instead and Ezio’s box is still lost in the Caribbean? If the only description you have is “precursor box” and you’ve never seen one before, would you know the difference?" This is what im talking about. It explains everething plus the visual differences [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 17:46, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

	::... Talking about this mess with the Boxes: ~~https~~://twitter.com/SunnyGearSolid/status/652928718516682752 More boxes! [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 18:48, October 11, 2015 (UTC)		::... Talking about this mess with the Boxes: https://twitter.com/SunnyGearSolid/status/652928718516682752 More boxes! [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 18:48, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

	To be frank what Nadiger is offering are explanations which we can all think up ourselves. What I'm talking about is that war letter being written for a reason, and that reason can't have been anything other than tying Embers and Freedom Cry together. If it wasn't, then whoever wrote it needs to take a reality check (no offense). -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 19:40, October 11, 2015 (UTC)		To be frank what Nadiger is offering are explanations which we can all think up ourselves. What I'm talking about is that war letter being written for a reason, and that reason can't have been anything other than tying Embers and Freedom Cry together. If it wasn't, then whoever wrote it needs to take a reality check (no offense). -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 19:40, October 11, 2015 (UTC)
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	:To be honest, I feel like the letter was written with an intent to tie ''Embers'' and ''Freedom Cry'' together (especially considering it's like the last War Letter you get from the naval mini-game), but somewhere (probably after ''Rogue'' if I'm being completely honest) a creative decision was made and the tie-in doesn't fit anymore so now we just have to pretend it's not there. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 19:42, October 11, 2015 (UTC)		:To be honest, I feel like the letter was written with an intent to tie ''Embers'' and ''Freedom Cry'' together (especially considering it's like the last War Letter you get from the naval mini-game), but somewhere (probably after ''Rogue'' if I'm being completely honest) a creative decision was made and the tie-in doesn't fit anymore so now we just have to pretend it's not there. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 19:42, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

	:I don´t know, it works for me :/ (If it is what Nadiger said (Rogue's Box been a different one)) [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 20:01, October 11, 2015 (UTC)		:I don´t know, it works for me :/ (If it is what Nadiger said (Rogue's Box been a different one)) [[User:DipsonDP\|DipsonDP]] ([[User talk:DipsonDP\|talk]]) 20:01, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

			::As can clearly be seen in these [[:File: De Fayet's Last Stand 7.png\|two]] [[:File: One Little Victory 6.png\|images]], the boxes seen in ''Freedom Cry'' and ''Rogue'' are different. On top of this, the "Manila Galleons" letter reads as such: "It will probably be found in the West Indies somewhere", to me that indicates the possibility of more than one box being in the area, and the assumption some have made that the boxes are one and the same is erroneous. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:07, October 12, 2015 (UTC)