Talk:Elysium - Revision history

Soranin: Text replacement - "siniath" to "siniath"

2026-05-10T17:58:49Z

Text replacement - "siniath" to "siniath"

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	Thoughts? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 09:48, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		Thoughts? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 09:48, April 25, 2019 (UTC)
	:My vote's with the first. Similar to how we deal with deities and other mythical aspects who haven't been split into two already which turn out to be...something else in AC-franchise. So prioritize the simulation and mention the mythological further in the article. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 10:23, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		:My vote's with the first. Similar to how we deal with deities and other mythical aspects who haven't been split into two already which turn out to be...something else in AC-franchise. So prioritize the simulation and mention the mythological further in the article. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 10:23, April 25, 2019 (UTC)
	:My vote is with the first, same as Sadel. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 11:28, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		:My vote is with the first, same as Sadel. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 11:28, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

	:''If'' the mythological place becomes more relevant, and/or the article grows too large, then the second suggestion would be more valid. As it is, I for one am not seeing the need for it, atm. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:06, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		:''If'' the mythological place becomes more relevant, and/or the article grows too large, then the second suggestion would be more valid. As it is, I for one am not seeing the need for it, atm. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:06, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

	:I say it depends on which is based off which. The common school of thought is that myth concepts are based off Isu counterparts but I feel in this case it might be different, that Aletheia instead based her simulation off .Greek mythology as it would already be somewhat familiar to Kass. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:19, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		:I say it depends on which is based off which. The common school of thought is that myth concepts are based off Isu counterparts but I feel in this case it might be different, that Aletheia instead based her simulation off .Greek mythology as it would already be somewhat familiar to Kass. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:19, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Soranin: /* Lede */

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Lede

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	# Alter the lede to prioritise the simulation aspect over mythological representation		# Alter the lede to prioritise the simulation aspect over mythological representation
	# Split the article into [[Elysium]] and [[Elysium (simulation)]], at which point we can decide which to give precedence too		# Split the article into [[Elysium]] and ''Elysium (simulation)'', at which point we can decide which to give precedence too

	Thoughts? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 09:48, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		Thoughts? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 09:48, April 25, 2019 (UTC)
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	: I'm with Lacrosse, the game mentions that these simulations were built by Aletheia herself in order to test the Eagle Bearer in her way to withstand the Staff's corruption. This gives the possibility that the Isu there existed in AC's real-~~life but~~ they act as Aletheia intends them to. Everything is a test as far as I know, not the official representation of an Isu city or the Isu themselves. (Unless some of them decided to escape to this virtual realm before the ~~Grand Catastrophe~~). My vote goes for the first option.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 13:20, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		: I'm with Lacrosse, the game mentions that these simulations were built by Aletheia herself in order to test the Eagle Bearer in her way to withstand the Staff's corruption. This gives the possibility that the Isu there existed in AC's real-life but they act as Aletheia intends them to. Everything is a test as far as I know, not the official representation of an Isu city or the Isu themselves. (Unless some of them decided to escape to this virtual realm before the Grand Catastrophe). My vote goes for the first option.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 13:20, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

	:: Got nothing to add, agree with the previous comments as far as the article name goes. For the lede, it could go either way, tbh. One one hand Elysium just doesn't seem to exist outside of the simulation as far as we know and as such it could be considered redundant to state that it's a simulation. On the other hand, it ''is'' more informative, and for example if we're using the only other case of playable simulation (outside of genetic memory simulations) we ''always'' clarify when something happened in the simulation create by the Apple for Ratonhnhaké:ton and George Washington. — [[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 16:24, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		:: Got nothing to add, agree with the previous comments as far as the article name goes. For the lede, it could go either way, tbh. One one hand Elysium just doesn't seem to exist outside of the simulation as far as we know and as such it could be considered redundant to state that it's a simulation. On the other hand, it ''is'' more informative, and for example if we're using the only other case of playable simulation (outside of genetic memory simulations) we ''always'' clarify when something happened in the simulation create by the Apple for Ratonhnhaké:ton and George Washington. — [[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 16:24, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Zero-ELEC: /* Lede */ Burrying it.

2019-04-25T16:24:21Z

Lede: Burrying it.

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	: I'm with Lacrosse, the game mentions that these simulations were built by Aletheia herself in order to test the Eagle Bearer in her way to withstand the Staff's corruption. This gives the possibility that the Isu there existed in AC's real-life but they act as Aletheia intends them to. Everything is a test as far as I know, not the official representation of an Isu city or the Isu themselves. (Unless some of them decided to escape to this virtual realm before the Grand Catastrophe). My vote goes for the first option.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 13:20, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		: I'm with Lacrosse, the game mentions that these simulations were built by Aletheia herself in order to test the Eagle Bearer in her way to withstand the Staff's corruption. This gives the possibility that the Isu there existed in AC's real-life but they act as Aletheia intends them to. Everything is a test as far as I know, not the official representation of an Isu city or the Isu themselves. (Unless some of them decided to escape to this virtual realm before the Grand Catastrophe). My vote goes for the first option.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 13:20, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

			:: Got nothing to add, agree with the previous comments as far as the article name goes. For the lede, it could go either way, tbh. One one hand Elysium just doesn't seem to exist outside of the simulation as far as we know and as such it could be considered redundant to state that it's a simulation. On the other hand, it ''is'' more informative, and for example if we're using the only other case of playable simulation (outside of genetic memory simulations) we ''always'' clarify when something happened in the simulation create by the Apple for Ratonhnhaké:ton and George Washington. — [[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 16:24, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Cristophorus35: Expanded

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	:I say it depends on which is based off which. The common school of thought is that myth concepts are based off Isu counterparts but I feel in this case it might be different, that Aletheia instead based her simulation off .Greek mythology as it would already be somewhat familiar to Kass. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:19, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		:I say it depends on which is based off which. The common school of thought is that myth concepts are based off Isu counterparts but I feel in this case it might be different, that Aletheia instead based her simulation off .Greek mythology as it would already be somewhat familiar to Kass. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:19, April 25, 2019 (UTC)


			: I'm with Lacrosse, the game mentions that these simulations were built by Aletheia herself in order to test the Eagle Bearer in her way to withstand the Staff's corruption. This gives the possibility that the Isu there existed in AC's real-life but they act as Aletheia intends them to. Everything is a test as far as I know, not the official representation of an Isu city or the Isu themselves. (Unless some of them decided to escape to this virtual realm before the Grand Catastrophe). My vote goes for the first option.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 13:20, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Lede */

2019-04-25T12:19:04Z

Lede

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	:''If'' the mythological place becomes more relevant, and/or the article grows too large, then the second suggestion would be more valid. As it is, I for one am not seeing the need for it, atm. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:06, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		:''If'' the mythological place becomes more relevant, and/or the article grows too large, then the second suggestion would be more valid. As it is, I for one am not seeing the need for it, atm. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:06, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

			:I say it depends on which is based off which. The common school of thought is that myth concepts are based off Isu counterparts but I feel in this case it might be different, that Aletheia instead based her simulation off .Greek mythology as it would already be somewhat familiar to Kass. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:19, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Sadelyrate: /* Lede */

2019-04-25T12:06:02Z

Lede

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	:My vote's with the first. Similar to how we deal with deities and other mythical aspects who haven't been split into two already which turn out to be...something else in AC-franchise. So prioritize the simulation and mention the mythological further in the article. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 10:23, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		:My vote's with the first. Similar to how we deal with deities and other mythical aspects who haven't been split into two already which turn out to be...something else in AC-franchise. So prioritize the simulation and mention the mythological further in the article. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 10:23, April 25, 2019 (UTC)
	:My vote is with the first, same as Sadel. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 11:28, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		:My vote is with the first, same as Sadel. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 11:28, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

			:''If'' the mythological place becomes more relevant, and/or the article grows too large, then the second suggestion would be more valid. As it is, I for one am not seeing the need for it, atm. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:06, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Lady Kyashira at 11:28, 25 April 2019

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	==Lede==		==Lede==
	Now that ''[[The Fate of Atlantis: Fields of Elysium\|Fields of Elysium]]'' has been released we are, of course, seeing links to this article popping up in articles on a daily basis. Technically speaking, these articles are referring to a ''simulation'' of Elysium and not the "real" Elysium of Greek mythology; I feel it is important that a distinction be made.		Now that ''[[The Fate of Atlantis: Fields of Elysium\|Fields of Elysium]]'' has been released we are, of course, seeing links to this article popping up in articles on a daily basis. Technically speaking, these articles are referring to a ''simulation'' of Elysium and not the "real" Elysium of Greek mythology; I feel it is important that a distinction be made.
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	Thoughts? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 09:48, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		Thoughts? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 09:48, April 25, 2019 (UTC)
	:My vote's with the first. Similar to how we deal with deities and other mythical aspects who haven't been split into two already which turn out to be...something else in AC-franchise. So prioritize the simulation and mention the mythological further in the article. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 10:23, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		:My vote's with the first. Similar to how we deal with deities and other mythical aspects who haven't been split into two already which turn out to be...something else in AC-franchise. So prioritize the simulation and mention the mythological further in the article. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 10:23, April 25, 2019 (UTC)
			:My vote is with the first, same as Sadel. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 11:28, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Sadelyrate: /* Lede */

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Lede

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	Thoughts? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 09:48, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		Thoughts? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 09:48, April 25, 2019 (UTC)
			:My vote's with the first. Similar to how we deal with deities and other mythical aspects who haven't been split into two already which turn out to be...something else in AC-franchise. So prioritize the simulation and mention the mythological further in the article. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 10:23, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Jasca Ducato: Created page with "==Lede== Now that ''Fields of Elysium'' has been released we are, of course, seeing links to this article popping up in articles on..."

2019-04-25T09:48:58Z

Created page with "==Lede== Now that ''Fields of Elysium'' has been released we are, of course, seeing links to this article popping up in articles on..."

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==Lede==
Now that ''[[The Fate of Atlantis: Fields of Elysium|Fields of Elysium]]'' has been released we are, of course, seeing links to this article popping up in articles on a daily basis. Technically speaking, these articles are referring to a ''simulation'' of Elysium and not the "real" Elysium of Greek mythology; I feel it is important that a distinction be made.

To date, I have taken to inserting references to "a simulation of Elysium" in our articles, but I concede that this is not entirely practical (or even preferable), so I am now of the opinion that '''this''' article should be changed.

Currently, the lede of this article references the "real" Elysium before detailing the simulation - I believe that this should be changed. The way I see it, we have two options:

# Alter the lede to prioritise the simulation aspect over mythological representation
# Split the article into [[Elysium]] and [[Elysium (simulation)]], at which point we can decide which to give precedence too

Thoughts? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 09:48, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

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	Thoughts? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 09:48, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		Thoughts? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 09:48, April 25, 2019 (UTC)
	:My vote's with the first. Similar to how we deal with deities and other mythical aspects who haven't been split into two already which turn out to be...something else in AC-franchise. So prioritize the simulation and mention the mythological further in the article. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 10:23, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		:My vote's with the first. Similar to how we deal with deities and other mythical aspects who haven't been split into two already which turn out to be...something else in AC-franchise. So prioritize the simulation and mention the mythological further in the article. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 10:23, April 25, 2019 (UTC)
	:My vote is with the first, same as Sadel. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 11:28, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		:My vote is with the first, same as Sadel. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 11:28, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

	:''If'' the mythological place becomes more relevant, and/or the article grows too large, then the second suggestion would be more valid. As it is, I for one am not seeing the need for it, atm. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:06, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		:''If'' the mythological place becomes more relevant, and/or the article grows too large, then the second suggestion would be more valid. As it is, I for one am not seeing the need for it, atm. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:06, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

	:I say it depends on which is based off which. The common school of thought is that myth concepts are based off Isu counterparts but I feel in this case it might be different, that Aletheia instead based her simulation off .Greek mythology as it would already be somewhat familiar to Kass. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:19, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		:I say it depends on which is based off which. The common school of thought is that myth concepts are based off Isu counterparts but I feel in this case it might be different, that Aletheia instead based her simulation off .Greek mythology as it would already be somewhat familiar to Kass. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:19, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

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	:My vote's with the first. Similar to how we deal with deities and other mythical aspects who haven't been split into two already which turn out to be...something else in AC-franchise. So prioritize the simulation and mention the mythological further in the article. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 10:23, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		:My vote's with the first. Similar to how we deal with deities and other mythical aspects who haven't been split into two already which turn out to be...something else in AC-franchise. So prioritize the simulation and mention the mythological further in the article. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 10:23, April 25, 2019 (UTC)
	:My vote is with the first, same as Sadel. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 11:28, April 25, 2019 (UTC)		:My vote is with the first, same as Sadel. [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 11:28, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

			:''If'' the mythological place becomes more relevant, and/or the article grows too large, then the second suggestion would be more valid. As it is, I for one am not seeing the need for it, atm. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:06, April 25, 2019 (UTC)